They would. Literally everyone town reads Enchant more than you right now...In post 3688, fua wrote:Because... Enchant literally... said that he wouldn't win against me in a 1v1?In post 3686, Shirou wrote:this makes no sense to say either...why the hell would you vote Tejate?In post 3683, fua wrote:If I ever vote Enchant or Tejate consider it a scumclaim and turbolim me.@Everyone.
like, aren't you a cop with a check?
This is pure AtE and appealing for Enchant to stick with you in my opinion.
Enchant, both GL/Fua have been defending you non stop since you repped in. You really think that's normal town behavior?
They are buddying you.
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"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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The truth is I'm fine either way by doing this course of actions you know?
If It's just GL/NQ and I'm being too paranoid, my miselimination today isn't that big of a deal.
However if I'm right and it's Fua/GL, I tried my best to give us the best chances of winning this."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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What really made me hesitate for a fua/GL team is that it feels so...fictional.
They would not only have gambled on N1 with the no kill. They would also have gambled and left me alive betting on me not checking GL for WIFOM.
They would have chosen extremely risky options. Looking at it this way, I believe there's a chance of GL/NQ, or even Fua/NQ, but hm...fua vs GL sounds so much like theater, especially considering fua weird behavior towards GL being copped by me at the end of Day 3."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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Enchant, you really think there's any chance of us winning against a scum!fua by eliminating NQ first here?
We would only be able to afford one more miselimination if NQ is miseliminated.
How can you ever believe that the last miselimination wouldn't be me in that scenario? I've no chances of winning against scum!fua in a 1v1, but Ceph perhaps can."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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Either Ceph with a guilty or NQ by me giving him ammunition and predicting GL voluntarily guiltying themselves by NK'ing Ceph.
I believe in both of those scenarios, there's a much better shot against scum!fua in a 1v1 than if we do Shirou vs Fua for final day."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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My unique fear is that NQ is in fact scum which means I would be wrong on one of GL/Fua.
It's a very real possibility and I was eagerly waiting for NQ's reaction to me. However...suddenly NQ does a 180 on what they were saying yesterday now that I propose something similar?
Sigh
This game is so weird..."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
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I firmly believe Enchant is town now though I guess, that's something.
I believe Tejate is also very likely town. If he was scum with fua, fua wouldn't have tried to leash themselves to GL on Day 3."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
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I don't exactly know if I should stick with Fua/GL, or Fua/NQ, or GL/NQ. I can see all of them being real possibilities due to process of elimination, and my gut tells me that Fua/GL is the most likely because of their so frequent spats that somehow end up with they not death tunneling each other by the end, however...I can be wrong. I'm so aware of that.
Fua should likely be town due to the no night kill. It would have been a rather huge gamble to do as scum. Losing a nightkill voluntarily is no joke when in a setup like this it's rather likely that at least one kill will be naturally blocked by town doctors. If fua is scum, they voluntarily risked a good chance of having to deal against a town with one extra elimination. It's simply NOT something you commonly see coming from scum, ever...
Guiltylion should ~likely~ be town for me living through N3? Even if they suspected I was doing WIFOM, there was also a possibility I wasn't. Risking getting a guilty like that is kinda no joke...it could have turned the tables in this game if I had got it and regained town trust on D4.
NQ...well, to be honest Meg dying should kinda point towards scum!NQ so there's not much reason to believe NQ isn't scum to be honest. But their posts on day opening felt...not like what scum should be planning for today unless I've misread it? Their most recent post saying they completely changed their mind on fua is kinda weird though, maybe I'm wrong here.
But either way, I feel like I've a reason or two to have everyone as town, which is why this game feels so weird at the moment. I think the least weird scum team is GL/NQ, but NQ behavior is still a mystery if that's the scum team.
I feel there's no easy solution to this game and I'm kinda doing my best to convince people to be wary of Fua/GL, because I think that's the team that wins here most of the time. NQ/Fua or GL/NQ isn't as big of a threat as GL/Fua.
However, to not lose to GL/NQ, WE ALSO NEED TO NOT ELIMINATE GL TODAY so that he can protect Ceph.
Look, I just don't know what else to do today other than eliminating myself later if I'm to do the optimal play against any combination of Fua/GL/NQ.
I'm settling for the "not best course of actions against X team, but best course of actions against all possible teams" philosophy."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
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The plan is to eliminate NQ since Ceph can't confirm NQ.In post 3698, GuiltyLion wrote:
if only there were some way to figure out NQ's alignment, maybe even an approach you may have speculated about and planned in great detail yesterday...In post 3695, Shirou wrote:My unique fear is that NQ is in fact scum which means I would be wrong on one of GL/Fua.
GL, this is what is weird about you today to me as well. Why would I be suggesting for us to eliminate me rather than NQ if I'm scum?!
Unless you believe it's me/NQ? But that's not your core belief is it, it's that it's Fua/Me.
Why would I try to protect NQ when I could do NQ today and get at least one extra miselimination before Ceph confirming me?
And what kind of goddamn plan it would be for a Shirou/Fua team have me suggest leashing Ceph to fua?!
GL, YOUR SOLVE OF SHIROU/FUA MAKES NO SENSE. I'M EXPLICITLY SINCE YESTERDAY PLANNING AGAINST FUA."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
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GL/Shirou from fua's perspective makes logical sense.
Shirou/Fua from GL's perspective makes NO logical sense whatsoever.
My actions are confirming fua downfall rather than just doing the EASY route of voting NQ like himself and Enchant suggested before. At minimum I would be able to get one extra miselimination before Ceph checking me.
Rather than doing that...I actually try to self-sacrifice today?
???
How does that make any sense in a fua/Shirou team. I'm willing to die today to change Ceph target from confirming me to confirming fua."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
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If it was Shirou/Fua, rather than forcing Ceph to waste their cop check on me by voting NQ today, I would be trying to die today and leash Ceph to my partner?
Is that the galaxy brain plan?
The reason I'm so afraid of following on my plan yesterday is exactly because I know I'm town, but somehow NQ also seems like they may be town for me, which means the scum *needs*, by a process of elimination, be Fua/GL since I deeply believe that Enchant/Tejate are town regardless of anyone alignment right now.
If I can go back to believing NQ is scum, sure, I can just vote there and that's it for today. But right now...I can't.
Fua/GL seem like already setting up stuff to endgame. Even if I'm wrong on they being the team, at least one of them needs to be scum."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
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HmIn post 3705, GuiltyLion wrote:In post 3670, GuiltyLion wrote:frankly I think Ceph is just spewed town whoever is scum here so I don't feel like limming nQ over Shirou today is particularly important even if it does fractionally reduce the chance of losing to Ceph+nQ
I'm happy with either of Shirou/nQ, with the main caveat that if either of them flips town, Ceph agrees to check someoneoutsideof the other one, I would heavily recommend hell heavilybegfor him to check me in that world so I don't have to deal with defending myself. I would much rather have the chance to hold the final hammer and solve correctly. but I think most likely scenario is they both flip scum and this is just town spinning its wheels
that's a good justification but it was also after I started to attack fua/GL, so maybe you changed your mind after I didn't side with either of you or fua (which is what I imagine would be the plan more or less), and I didn't pay attention to all recent posts yet since I'm still replying and explaining my stuff."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
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okay but then what do you think is the solve if let's say, I flip town today?In post 3704, GuiltyLion wrote:either of you = shirou/nq"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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and also that approach is correct...if fua is town.In post 3698, GuiltyLion wrote:
if only there were some way to figure out NQ's alignment, maybe even an approach you may have speculated about and planned in great detail yesterday...In post 3695, Shirou wrote:My unique fear is that NQ is in fact scum which means I would be wrong on one of GL/Fua.
If you're town, imagine for a split second I'm town here as well. The scum team for me needs to be either exactly you/NQ, or...fua is scum which means we need to change gears.
what am I supposed to do here GL?
If I follow the plan and NQ is town, we straight up lose.
If I try to vote you today, if it's Fua/NQ, from decently winnable game since we still have a cop check, the game goes to "very bad odds of winning".
If I'm wrong on either you or NQ, we lose today basically and tomorrow is just mostly filler. The result of both cases would be obvious.
The unique situation where what I'm doing is bad, is if it's exactly GL/NQ, but also, it's the team with the least likely chances of winning since all of Fua/Enchant/Tejate would most likely default to that team if I died..."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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If you're town, it's gotta be GL/NQ from my perspective.In post 3709, fua wrote:
What is the solve if either of me or GL flip town?In post 3708, Shirou wrote:
okay but then what do you think is the solve if let's say, I flip town today?In post 3704, GuiltyLion wrote:either of you = shirou/nq
From what I'm expecting, the final day would have at least two of Tejate/Ceph/Enchant/Fua to decide the game result in that scenario.
That means the chance of us winning are still pretty good considering that's the solve all of you would most likely default to once I do flip.
If GL is town, it needs to be you/NQ, and the key to winning there is by leaving GL alive today so that he can protect Ceph, and for Ceph to check you.
If it's NQ/Ceph though...hm, what I'm doing right now is a terrible course of actions, and honestly there's a possibility it's just that, but hm...wouldn't it be a rather ballsy play...?
Sigh"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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To be honest...it really can be NQ/Ceph theoretically speaking and miseliminating me today and giving they the opportunity to claim a guilty on fua is like giving the key for their win.
If that's the case I would feel rather guilty of that later..."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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Fua/GL is honestly a bit ridiculous if looked through the lens of common sense. A scum team that not only gambitted once, but twice?
It reminds me of the wild scum team theories I would have as a newbie...completely detached from reality due to how much WIFOM there was on it.
However...by play alone, it really feels like the most likely team to me, but I hadn't realized how not eliminating NQ today gives the key for a NQ/Ceph team to win on a otherwise impossible game for them."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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Ah, to be honest I don't care that much anymore. I was just watching some anime before noticing this game opened sooner than I expected (didn't notice two days had already passed since hammer). I don't want to keep pouring so much time to writing my posts here for a "hero solve" of GL/Fua if no one is gonna give it the time of the day.
@Tejate, @Enchant you really think that Fua/GL is impossible and would bet on the game being literally any other team before that?
If the answer to the above is yes, I suppose I'll just shrug and vote NQ. Even though it certainly assures a Fua/GL team winning."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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I believe we should leash Ceph to fua though, although I would be fine if they investigated me, but it doesn't sound like a good idea. I don't think they should investigate GL as well.
If NQ is town, from GL's pov it needs to be Fua/Shirou right?
If that's the case, Ceph investigating Fua is a very good idea from GL's pov, since although GL vs Fua likely ends on a Fua win right now, a GL vs Shirou ends most likely on a GL win. There's nothing to fear in a Shirou/Fua team if Fua is guilted."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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If we win by voting NQ here, if it's GL/NQ or NQ/Ceph, hooray for non-wild theories I guess. Common sense saves the day again.In post 3714, Shirou wrote:If the answer to the above is yes, I suppose I'll just shrug and vote NQ. Even though it certainly assures a Fua/GL team winning.
If we lose because it's GL/Fua...well, I tried. Wouldn't feel too bad.
p-edit: so no fua hmm...? But say Ceph, would you be up for checking fua just in case? since if it's 2 of NQ/GL/Shirou and we begin eliminating there today, we simply are in auto."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
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YeahIn post 3717, Cephrir wrote:i don't see myself supporting a GL elim today in any case, it just makes no sense
Even though my top pick is Fua/GL I wouldn't support a GL elimination today. Could be wrong."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
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Everyone seems to agree that Enchant/Tejate are town now right?
If that's the case, it leaves us with Fua/Shirou/NQ/GL.
If Ceph checks fua, it leaves us with up to 2 miseliminations left in the pool of [Shirou/NQ/GL].
It's impossible to miseliminate twice if the scum team is in [Shirou/NQ/GL], so in that scenario we would be in auto.
Do you agree it would be therefore a good idea to check fua just in case Ceph?
p-edit: yeah I do 100% agree with it."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
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there's literally no holes to what I said yesterday though. The plan IS optimal and I'm still willing to do it if everyone just says they can't see you ever being scum, but that's one of the initial assumptions for the plan: that you're town.In post 3671, fua wrote:Your thought process has consistently been full of holes and has made no sense throughout the entirety of this game. You post no reasoning behind your reads, constantly fail to act on what you say you're going to do, and your ISO is full of LAMIST AtE.
You don't feel like town, at all to me right now.
But I'm willing to concede if Enchant/Tejate just says they can't see you as scum, ever. (They already kinda said once but I'm trying to push their buttons, who knows, maybe they changed their mind because of what I said)"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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Why Enchant/Tejate?
Because they are the likely slots that will decide the fate of this game.
This game is kinda truly in their hands I would say."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
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There's no point to all this self-sacrifice stuff if Enchant/Tejate can't ever see Fua/GL being possible due to fua always being town in their eyes.
If that's the case voting NQ is just the better play to confirm Ceph."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
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and that's why theoretically you would want to do NQ rather than me today. To confirm whatever result Ceph gets tomorrow is guaranteed to be true if NQ is town, and if NQ is scum, we would be able to test it since we would have 2 eliminations left.
If you eliminate me today and I'm not scum, you only have one miselimination left and would need to gamble if Ceph can be trusted or not I guess. I kinda think Ceph is just town though."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
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okay I'm tired for now
see you all and Enchant/Tejate do not ignore me if possible..."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
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actually honestly, for a last post that's probably gonna be flagged as LAMIST but whatever:
This game really stopped making much sense to me when Morph flipped town. It's almost kinda guaranteed to me that one of Fua/GL needs to be scum, and it's a bit hard to believe they gambited which is why I was so skeptical of this yesterday, but right now...it's kinda confirmed to me that one of them gambited at least.
Either fua by no nightkill, or GL by leaving me alive. The unique team where this isn't the case is exactly NQ/Ceph, and I guess...maybe we'll check that hypothesis today."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
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but that also means NQ/Ceph gambited by claiming a cop inno on a partner on day 1....
like
this game is so weird, god."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
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maybe I should take a card out of RC's deck though
If I vote NQ here and I'm wrong on GL/Fua (therefore NQ would be scum), I played okay by conceding to the consensus town (that would have been right).
If I vote NQ and I was right (therefore they flip town and fua is scum), even if we probably lose, I could still shrug it off postgame with a "well, I tried to warn you..."
I don't want to keep taking this game so seriously
VOTE: NQ
I can still change it to the "self-sacrifice" stuff though if Enchant/Tejate/NQ all agree to at least consider GL/Fua more seriously if I'm flipped as town today.
...In post 3733, Cephrir wrote:
you clearly do lolIn post 3714, Shirou wrote:Ah, to be honest I don't care that much anymore.
true, I still care, but I don't want to...!
I should already have finished half of what I was planning to watch today and I'm still on episode 1 because I can't stop thinking about this game/writing those posts...
so I'm liberating myself with this post by voting NQ and going along with consensus! I r-really am...
I DON'T CARE ANYMORE, I DON'T WANT TO CARE ANYMORE okay?
At least I talked about GL/Fua to everyone, if we lose here to that team it wouldn't be completely on me considering at least I tried, so I could live with that..."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
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also fua agreed to be copped so that Tejate is confirmed I think, Ceph.
Right, fua?
No reason to not want to be copped if you're town, right? It would make this game get on auto from your pov."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
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Unless NQ is scum.
If NQ is scum it kinda means Ceph isn't gonna be confirmed after we flip NQ, and we will still have 2 miseliminations for one scum in [Shirou/Ceph/GL] (considering a scenario where fua is town, and fua/Tejate is the people I'm trying to convince here).
If NQ is scum, I believe Ceph should check GL for example. That way, even if he gets an inno on GL, it's guaranteed for us to win if fua is town, since we would have 2 miseliminations for two slots [Shirou/Ceph]
If NQ flips scum and we check fua, if the last scum is inside [Shirou/GL/Ceph] (which is what most people would believe if NQ flipped scum right?), we could end up losing.
I believe the cop checking fua if NQ flips town, and GL if flips scum, is a good plan.
@Fua What do you think? I'm also fine if you switch GL with me. We can't both be scum if NQ is scum, and if NQ is town and the scum team in your pov would be exactly NQ/GL, we check you so that there's no way for us to miseliminate you.
Sounds good?"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
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Why would Tejate be a suspect if NQ flips scum? If NQ flips scum Tejate is also confirmed which is why it removes the additional benefit of checking fua.In post 3743, GuiltyLion wrote:so if NQ flips scum, you'd rather the pool of suspects be {fua, Tejate, Shirou, Ceph} instead of {GL, Shirou, Ceph}? am I understanding you correctly?
If Tejate is scum he needs to be scum with fua, and with NQ being confirmed scum that's impossible since there would only be one scum left.
p-edit: yeah Tejate would be conftown"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
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The consensus opinion is that fua is townier than you or me.In post 3744, GuiltyLion wrote:oh wait nvm, if NQ is scum then Tejate is conftown
I don't think I see the difference between checking fua or myself on a NQ scumflip tbh, either should be fine?
Therefore, on everyone pov, Shirou/NQ or GL/NQ should be a much more likely team than Fua/NQ.
If Fua gets checked on a NQ scum flip, Ceph isn't confirmed so that makes it possible for one scum in [Ceph/Shirou/GL] to win a 1v1 in the last day.
If one of [Shirou/GL] gets checked, it of course makes it possible for a scum!fua to win in that situation if the team was Fua/NQ.
However, most people on a NQ scum flip believe that scum is in [Ceph/Shirou/GL], so to not receive the blame if for example, scum!Ceph or scum!GL wins here by us double checking fua on my request, I would like to point this out.
That if NQ is scum, there's a possibility of scum!Ceph or scum!GL winning if we do check fua."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
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(and I guess from a 3rd person pov, there's a possibility of me winning if NQ is my partner and the cop checks fua rather than GL).
is it funny yet to suggest a Shirou/NQ team when like, everyone agreeing on copping fua would be the best result for us (even if it was still a really bad spot to be) and I am here stopping it?
p-edit: yeah, checking either you or me in a scum flip is the best we can hope, who knows maybe both of us are town and ceph is scum, if we check fua in that scenario we both lose"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
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yeah exactlyIn post 3747, GuiltyLion wrote:I guess FYPOV if you assume NQ scum, fua town, and you town, then checking me should be highest odds of getting a guilty, but I feel like a fua inno just leads to the next two lims being Shirou/GL anyways
which is why I know if NQ flips town the result on fua needs to be a guilty, just as you should know that as well, but from a 3rd person pov where they believe it's Shirou/GL for example, they should also be okay with us checking fua in that scenario because if fua gets an inno, we're always eliminated together next."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
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So, my suggestion is:
If NQ is town, Ceph gets confirmed, and targets Fua, which leaves only [Shirou/GL] on the elimination pool if we exclude Enchant, and it seems everyone agrees to exclude Enchant from the pool. If Fua gets an inno there, from a 3rd person pov, the scum team needs to be Shirou + GL, and if Fua receives a guilty, town would need to decide who in [Shirou/GL] is Fua's partner.
If NQ is scum, Ceph isn't confirmed, therefore the pool is [Ceph/Shirou/GL] and since we only would have up to 2 miseliminations but 3 targets, Ceph should target either me or GL so that we either get the last guilty, or we get an inno and get back to 2 eliminations for 2 players, which leave us on auto again (unless fua is scum with NQ, but bleh, can't hope to win here if that's the team I think)."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
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The above is a completely neutral suggestion that should be the best from everyone pov if they are town I believe, even fua.
The above leaves no chance for a miselimination on fua for example, which is what a team like Shirou/GL would need, but also makes it impossible to get the extra elimination from Ceph if NQ is scum and the theoretical teams would be Shirou/NQ or GL/NQ.
The unique pairing it clearly loses to is Fua/NQ, but eh, if it's fua/NQ to hell with this game. There's no perfect solutions and I would have tried my best to be wary of fua as reasonable as possible."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
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kkkkkIn post 3752, Cephrir wrote:naturally, the "lim me" plan somehow finds its way into dissolving into a supposedly objectively better alternative. it always seems to do this
I know it sounds sus but I was actually quite a bit convinced it's fua/guilty by their random spat on the day opening. I still kinda am. However I'm also progressively more and more afraid of being wrong every time people just seem to shrug off my suggestion.
I'm not a very confident person, if no one says "hey, maybe you're onto something", I just kinda default to "maybe I should change tracks" most of the time, but especially because if Fua/GL isn't the solve and I do stray us from our mech plan yesterday for this, losing the game may end up being single-handedly my fault. I don't want to rob people of winning to try risking a "hero solve" that no one seems to believe in.
However, it's also true it's a bit...hm, ?manipulative?, true.
After all, if it's scenario 1, and NQ flips town, then naturally I would by process of elimination end up with Fua/Guilty again, just like from GL's pov it would be Fua/Shirou, and by doing what I did today, maybe I'll have a bit extra ammo to prove that GL is the hypothetical fua's partner rather than me.
(the above is once again, excluding Enchant from the pool, and I will stand by that...)"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
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Alternatively we could assume fua is town and check for Enchant if NQ flips town, but hmm, I feel like there would be more opposition to this version.
I'm not sure if I would be opposed to that despite what I said about fua though. I feel like...deep in my heart, scum!fua is kinda a nonsense solve because it's hard to believe they would have gone for a no kill gambit in N1 like that...
I can count on one hand the number of scum players I've known in 4 years that would resort to that ballsy tactic on N1. I really thought Morph had to be scum with NQ yesterday since that would be the unique scenario where scum didn't do an unusually risky gambit here...
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Pick your WIFOM poison, because it's soon gonna be confirmed to be *at least* one of those but could also be two of them:
> Scum voluntarily no night killed on N1 for a chance of being confirmed.
> Scum cleared their own partner on D2.
> Scum deliberately risked being guilted on N3 rather than nightkilling me on N2 or N3."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
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HmIn post 3758, Tejate Raichu wrote:I have already expressed my opinion on this on day 3. I thought fua's proposed pools were terrible and they made me physically grimace. You not going with a GL check when your read has suddenly wrapped back to scum!GL though isn't reassuring either.
If fua or NQ isn't scum I've no option right now other than assume GL is scum. (Since I'm assuming Enchant is town after today posts).
It's kinda PoE really, I still think GL is objectively towny but Morph flipping town just makes it hard to not mention him on the possible teams from my pov...?
We've 2 eliminations left right now Tejate. If Fua/GL is the team as I suspected, if I blindly voted NQ here, tomorrow it would be GL pairing me off with Fua, and Fua pairing me off with GL. Even if Ceph got a guilty on one, the other one would try to pair me up with the remaining one. If I'm miseliminated there, it would be game over for us from my pov.In post 3758, Tejate Raichu wrote:This bothers me a lot still, because mechanically speaking Shirou's plan should be correct. So why is there this sudden backpedal, and conflicting reads from Shirou?
I really felt like their entrance posts talking about Fua/Shirou or GL/Shirou were the preparation for that, coupled with how fua suddenly tried to leash themselves on GL on Day 3, I strongly felt it was GL/Fua and still do to a good degree. So I got a bit riled up.
However the more I think about this, the more I realize that I probably shouldn't already assume NQ is town and go for that, even if I do still think that me self-voting and making a big show of NQ being town and GL/Fua being the team, would be the most likely way for us to win against that team specifically, but hm, the more I think about it like I said, the less sure I'm that I've the "hero solve" rather than just being too paranoid. A Fua/GL team would have played rather riskily compared to what I've seen around here in 4 years..."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
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Hm, I think if whoever we flip today flips town, we kinda always should investigate fua because getting a guilty when the pool is this small isn't very helpful compared to an inno...In post 3763, Tejate Raichu wrote:I'd like to get mech stuff sorted before the end of the day since I feel like I'm just going to be super dead tonight, so if anyone has any problems with my Ceph check proposal please engage.
For example imagine we eliminate NQ today, they flip town for some reason and the pool is [Fua, GL, Shirou]. If you get a guilty there, you still need to risky a fifty-fifty on who is the last scum.
However if you get an inno, you automatically know the scum team.
Guilties are more valuable when you've multiple suspects (like the beginning of the game), but the smaller a pool is, the more helpful innos are.
The exception is...a guilty on fua. In my opinion if there's a deepwolf in this game, it's fua, and it's hard to imagine that we win against scum!fua without a guilty that can convince most people to vote there. I wouldn't want to vote fua without a guilty either if at all possible, if we're wrong, it would be a really bad mistake and everyone would be cursing us from the dead thread.
However hm...If I'm not being neutral, I guess I do like your plan considering a hypothetical inno on me would make me feel so peaceful/at ease. It would also be a really good result for town to narrow down the PoE as well, perhaps even more helpful than a guilty on fua since it would make the team look like GL/Fua by process of elimination.
However...that's only because I know I'm town of course...hypothetically speaking if you got a guilty on me, it would be actually a fairly wasted investigation since I was a common suspect anyway."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
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Who do you think Ceph should check in the case of scum!nQ flip?[/quote]In post 3771, Tejate Raichu wrote:common suspect anyway.
Hmm, I explained it before but in the case of a scum!NQ flip, we kinda have two choices:
Ceph would be not confirmed at all in that scenario, so:
1) If we treat them as conftown anyway we can try to confirm fua
2) If we include Ceph in the pool of suspects we need to give up in ever getting fua right here most likely
if NQ is scum, it means we've up to 2 miseliminations left to kill 3 players in the pool [Shirou, Ceph, GL]. There's by default/random a 25% mathematical probability we lose. If we check fua that problem remains, but if we check either GL or Me, it would mean we are guaranteed to win as long as fua isn't the last scum.
It's a tricky situation...and since I'm a coward, despite what I said, I believe including Ceph in the pool and not checking fua in this scenario is the correct choice to not have a potential salty postgame. If we lose to scum!fua everyone is just gonna praise fua, but if we lose to either scum!GL or scum!Ceph (and from a 3rd person pov, scum!me), we would be losing a game that was technically on a silver plate for us, just because of last minute paranoia.
Therefore, I would say if NQ is scum, either me or GL being checked is the go to choice for minimum risk? But I guess fua isn't unreasonable if you want to get dangerous..."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
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Hm, actually, I guess 33%. Derp?In post 3772, Shirou wrote:There's by default/random a 25% mathematical probability we lose.
I kinda thought two days being a fifty-fifty chance, but that's a weird way of thinking about this on hindsight."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
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Hmm, that's a detail I hadn't thought about Tejate, but still...the point isn't about trusting or not Ceph result though if NQ flips scum?
It's about removing either me or GL of the elimination pool so that there's exactly 2 eliminations for 2 players. If we check fua, if he doesn't come up with an inno and we win the game right there, we still would have the problem of 3 players left in the pool, but only 2 eliminations.
Your point is really good though."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
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also this is a complete derp as wellIn post 3773, Shirou wrote:
Hm, actually, I guess 33%. Derp?In post 3772, Shirou wrote:There's by default/random a 25% mathematical probability we lose.
I kinda thought two days being a fifty-fifty chance, but that's a weird way of thinking about this on hindsight.
forget math right now I'm too sleepy."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
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okay the actual number is truly 33% I think? since there's 6 combinations but in 4 of them we win, so 4/6 -> 2/3 -> ~ 66%? Therefore around 33% chance of losing by default mhm.In post 3776, Shirou wrote:
also this is a complete derp as wellIn post 3773, Shirou wrote:
Hm, actually, I guess 33%. Derp?In post 3772, Shirou wrote:There's by default/random a 25% mathematical probability we lose.
I kinda thought two days being a fifty-fifty chance, but that's a weird way of thinking about this on hindsight.
forget math right now I'm too sleepy.
May Implo confirm or deny this in postgame."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
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/shrugIn post 3777, Tejate Raichu wrote:Okay, how about this. We flip nQ, Ceph checks fua (regardless of nQ alignment), GL protects Ceph. Is everyone okay with that plan?
I'm okay with this if it's what you want to do even though as I said, it's kinda risky if NQ flips scum since you give a 33% chance to scum!GL, scum!Shirou or scum!Ceph of winning...but hm, I'm fine with it I guess yeah."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
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Shouldn't I be the one to decide what to do upon my flip though? I would be the confirmed town here, fua isn't strictly confirmed yet.
It's fine to decide what to do in a hypothetical scum flip on me, but can I get to decide what to do if we flip town?
Ceph checking GL is kind of a really bad idea. If they claim a guilty you'll have literally almost 0 new info. If I flip town it should naturally be GL vs NQ (and consequentially Ceph). scum!Ceph could claim a guilty there and sit on it for the rest of the game, you would have no way to confirm it without risking losing the game.
Honestly, on a town flip on me, I believe Ceph checking NQ isn't a bad idea. Either that or fua, since if they claim a guilty on fua it's a Fua vs Ceph/NQ dayphase, which is risky to them so they may think twice before faking a guilty there if they are scum."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
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Probably checking fua is a better idea though...it's just that, hm wow, that's a very messy gamestate. The game can be over by tomorrow and that actually never happens unless Enchant is scum if NQ is eliminated rather than me. At the very least we get an free extra scum by the NQ chain, so we at maximum only would need to find the last one.
By doing me first though, you'll need to find 2 scum, with no room for error, in a 4 players pool [Fua, GL, NQ, Ceph]. Good luck I guess?"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
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You get the confirmation it has to be Ceph/NQ if NQ is scum. So the unique possible pairing for both Ceph and NQ to be scum would be Ceph/NQ...thereforeIn post 3815, GuiltyLion wrote:yah wait isn't that just a meaningless idea/point? if Shirou's worry is scum!nQ faked an inno on scum!Ceph, how does Ceph telling us he has an inno/guiilty on nQ resolve that worry or provide any new info either?
The game gets on a dilemma of the scum team being either Ceph/NQ or Fua/GL, and Enchant/Tejate gets to decide who is the most likely team, and by eliminating one of the scum in that situation, you get the last one for free.
This is all assuming a town flip on me though, I know that it's different if I flipped scum, but well, I know that's just not a possible scenario."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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/shrugIn post 3835, Tejate Raichu wrote:Also important, are we all prepared to take the fat L if Enchant is scum, because we don't really have any contingency for that at all.
I kinda am, my standing right now is bad enough and I don't want to actually make it worse by nitpicking on Enchant here. However even though I had much more doubt the previous days, today Enchant just focusing on what is mechanically better and telling me to stop the self-sacrifice stuff rather than shading it, kinda made me quite confident they slot is just town here 9 out of 10 times?"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
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The biggest problem with eliminating me from my pov, is that you'll need to catch 2 scum in 4 players without any room for error.
Ceph investigating NQ in that scenario either give us a free scum if Ceph claims a guilty (what still wouldn't confirm Ceph), or confirms the game has to be either Ceph/NQ or GL/Fua if they claim an inno, tying two slots together and making a fifty-fifty chance at a random that we win, which is actually much higher than the approximate 25% chance of winning otherwise.
If Ceph claims a guilty on someone tomorrow when I'm miseliminated, it'll just create a very WIFOM situation where you'll not only need to risk a fifty-fifty between whoever Ceph accuses and Ceph himself, but also another fifty-fifty between NQ/whoever is left of GL/Fua. They can also claim an inno if scum and try to tie the remaining one of Fua/GL with their partner NQ.
I think practically speaking you always lose to scum!Ceph here if we begin by my elimination and he doesn't check NQ, but it's up to you to decide."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
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hmm, wait a second"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
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@Tejate, @Enchant
Assume those two worst case scenarios:
Scenario A: NQ flips town, Ceph dies which confirms GL is scum, therefore final day is one of [Shirou, Fua].
Scenario B: NQ flips town, Ceph gets a guilty on fua, therefore final day is one of [Shirou, GL].
How likely are you to vote me in each scenario? Because I know voting me there is game losing anyway so this is an important question."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
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actually Ceph please answer this as wellIn post 3847, Shirou wrote:@Tejate, @Enchant
Assume those two worst case scenarios:
Scenario A: NQ flips town, Ceph dies which confirms GL is scum, therefore final day is one of [Shirou, Fua].
Scenario B: NQ flips town, Ceph gets a guilty on fua, therefore final day is one of [Shirou, GL].
How likely are you to vote me in each scenario? Because I know voting me there is game losing anyway so this is an important question."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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I'm beginning to think that forcing a Ceph/NQ vs GL/Fua dilemma isn't too bad of an idea but hm...to be honest final day if Ceph claims a guilty on NQ there is still 1 elimination for 3 players which makes it 33% chance of winning...
But if it's guaranteed we lose by people just having a murder wish for me no matter the scenarios in final day, no matter if GL or Fua flips scum, maybe sticking with trying to force Ceph/NQ vs GL/Fua isn't a bad idea."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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I'm rather scared of NQ flipping town because from my pov it confirms it needs to be Fua/GL if we aren't wrong on Enchant, and no matter if it's fua or GL, I feel like "saving" the game by convincing people I'm the townie in those scenarios would be a real burden on my shoulders.
NQ isn't even voting me. It feels like they either already gave up as scum, or are simply town..."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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NQ not having voted me and keeping the discussion about whether their own elimination is the correct play really doesn't make me confident he's scum."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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If NQ was scum I feel like they had a chance to have eliminated me here if they piled up on me. Are they shy in that scenario because one of his partners are already pushing me? Or...is he just town?
I'm wondering. If NQ flips town this game will be a real headache to me."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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