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That's not very nice to Frog.In post 11, Pavowski wrote:Oh my bad VOTE: Frog
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Never eating muffins again.
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Mostly just bantering back and forth, wasn't much else to say on the first page until your (presumably) fake claim.In post 54, House wrote:I agree that Malcolm is looking awkward in this game, but I don't think this one is a scummy awkward. I think it's a new player awkward.
Not a fan of Dwlee trying to kill him over it. He should know better.
PEdit: I can also vote StD.
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I see what you mean but I think that's perfectly understandable on the first day a few pages in when everyone is still sussing out their reads. Perfectly valid not to be particularly committing to any theories you might have.In post 60, The Muffin Man wrote:also the specific language bugged me
"I can see house lying about this as scum"
it's not actually calling house a liar about it but it leaves the door very open to transition into that position later while suggesting to people that he might be lying
like non-confrontational shade
I largely agree it's the type of thing mafia could pull to make themselves look like erratic townie having fun and trying to draw out scum, but not got enough of a meta read on House to judge how likely that'd be.-
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I'm just catching up...why the hell did we elimination STD so quickly and with so little general consensus? Like there were essentially two pages of back and forth exchanges and then we eliminated a player without giving it much discussion at a fairly early point in the game. And since then this has barely received any recognition or resulted in anyone being extensively suspected or quizzed over it?-
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What are the accusations particularly based on anyway beyond initial vibes? I only made a handful of posts in day one and in a few hours when I wasn't around nearly everyone else bizarrely decided to eliminate a role player without any extensive discussion over it.In post 184, DkKoba wrote:i think at worst you kinda just opened the door for viability for malcom to be town there? not like explicitly shown that they are scum, so at least that is helpful in a town!malcom universe here.
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Flippant response to a genuine and fair question.In post 205, Galron wrote:The rage is palpable.-
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I generally try to be more careful and guarded if I'm mafia, albeit that doesn't always come off.In post 208, DkKoba wrote:Hi Malcom! Would be able to tell me what you yourself observe as the biggest difference in your town games and your scum games?
As a town I generally try to be quite analytical on stuff like votes and player interactions but being town I'm perhaps more likely to contradict myself with jumbled thoughts/reasoning since I'm not necessarily trying to cover my tracks over anything.
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I'm still somewhat hazy on how much we're allowed to discuss re previous games from a meta POV, and I'd be struggling to see much of a difference anyway, but yeah, this has generally been a short game so far, with an elimination made in a short timeframe where I wasn't around to say anything, and half the posts in the thread in the past few hours made while I was asleep. Happy to go further on any particular discrepancies if you've noticed them because like I say, I'm struggling to think what they are.In post 209, DkKoba wrote:I just skimmed through a town game of yours and already see a glaring difference - but I acknowledge the lack of length in this game could cause errors , but this is something length isn't applicable *as* much because of, well, where I'm getting the info from-
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I'm personally getting town vibes from Muffin Man despite him kinda pushing the bandwagon on STD. It felt like a very heavy push from someone who'd be mafia, unless he suspected STD was a role player based on very little (seems unlikely on turn one) and just went for it to give mafia an advantage.In post 212, DkKoba wrote:
Unfortunately, the former is exactly what I am observing in your early d1, could you try to read through and give any impressions on any players thud far?In post 210, MalcolmTucker wrote:
I generally try to be more careful and guarded if I'm mafia, albeit that doesn't always come off.In post 208, DkKoba wrote:Hi Malcom! Would be able to tell me what you yourself observe as the biggest difference in your town games and your scum games?
As a town I generally try to be quite analytical on stuff like votes and player interactions but being town I'm perhaps more likely to contradict myself with jumbled thoughts/reasoning since I'm not necessarily trying to cover my tracks over anything.
This is only my fourth game on this site though.
I'll need to go back and look more in-depth but I'm finding Galron kinda suspicious. Unless I'm missing anything important joined the bandwagon fairly late without giving much of a reasoning for doing so. Lot of flippant posts in there - one a few posts above, a jokey one about being mafia and deciding to concede.
Personally unsure re your posts after replacing in. The "I've not checked through the game thread and do this regularly" seems like a perfectly valid gambit for someone who's mafia to use to appear as if they're coming across as a townie who's just wildly putting out thoughts whenever they happen to have them. Out of interest, what do you think about the turn one elimination? There's bound to be a mafia member who jumped on that, if not two of them. You and Galron wouldn't seem like a ridiculous possible team.-
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To be fair I was going in heavy on reads, but for the most part the actual substance of them was a bit all over the place. Although it was my first game on the site and I had a meta on nobody nor all that strong a background on a lot of the site-specific terms that tend to be used. I was also quite quiet in the early stages of that game...probably primarily due to timezone stuff with the game mostly being played while I was asleep.In post 216, DkKoba wrote:Such as the newbie game I read of yours where you were miseliminated on day 3, where I noticed a much stronger entrance from your slot.-
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What initially gave you a mafia vibe and what turned you away from that so quickly?In post 224, Frogsterking wrote:Oh okay yeah now that i took a second look at it i really feel town pings.-
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Re Galron - so far as I can see he'd had basically no suspicion of STD beforehand and had even indicated voting MM a short time beforehand and then later switched it up when it became clear a bandwagon was forming on STD instead, allowing for a convenient early elimination.
I'd be interested to know his reasoning for doing so, because thus far most of his posts have largely been either filler or kinda flippant jokes with no consistency in terms of reads or suspicions.
After his vote for STD House indicates he'll be targeting him next if STD is town and we get a flippant "we're mafia we've decided to concede". I dunno, it'd be a bit careless, but it's certainly not kind to a townie read.-
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In post 96, Galron wrote:I talked with everyone in the scum PT and we've decided to concede.
The interactions between Galron and NM here kinda feel too obvious for them both to be town. I reckon there's almost certainly one mafia between the two of them though. Has NM particularly explained the vote on STD? It's the one that ended the round and like I say was a reckless move given it ended up being a role player who was given limited time to actually mount their side of the story.In post 98, Not_Mafia wrote:
I didn't agree to thisIn post 96, Galron wrote:I talked with everyone in the scum PT and we've decided to concede.
NM likewise doesn't seem to have followed this up with an explanation at all as to why they went for STD which seems like a reasonable thing to do if you're responsible for eliminating a townie, which could easily be mafia staying quiet and hoping the whole thing blows over.-
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Unsure at this point, Galron gives me a stronger mafia read at this point than NM and I'm very wary of getting an immediate bandwagon going too early given out last turn and what happened there. Need to be careful this time.In post 234, Frogsterking wrote:
I see! Are you down to flip NM first with me?In post 233, MalcolmTucker wrote:*Both to be mafia, I mean, re the Galron/NM interaction. One town/one mafia in there I reckon.-
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In post 91, Galron wrote:yayIn post 93, Galron wrote:Take that page 4.In post 95, Galron wrote:yayIn post 96, Galron wrote:I talked with everyone in the scum PT and we've decided to concede.In post 147, Galron wrote:I generally resist Koba's pushes, and every bone in my body says to resist this one because it's NM.
Alright, if I were to mount a case for Galron. Pretty much all of their early posts say nothing whatsoever until they decide to jump on the STD bandwagon as the fourth vote. Feels like a good time for mafia to do so...you're not the final voter, but also could play a role in tipping it over the line.In post 149, Galron wrote:Vote someone other than NM and I'll sheep.
Then there's the sort of forced joke about how "we're mafia and we've decided to concede".
As I say though I don't think the partner is NM, not sure they'd be too direct at this point in pushing against them if it was.-
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In post 98, Not_Mafia wrote:
I didn't agree to thisIn post 96, Galron wrote:I talked with everyone in the scum PT and we've decided to concede.In post 104, Not_Mafia wrote:
Omg same, wanna be masons?In post 102, DkKoba wrote:im gay and also have read none of the gameIn post 134, Not_Mafia wrote:
I'm town thoughIn post 126, DkKoba wrote:ok so dwlee what if i told you that i was confident on NM being mafia?
VOTE: NM
and id be willing to bet that the PoE circles around them if i were to put in further effort
Again NM's style feels very similar. Drops a key vote to get STD out the game, makes a similar jibe to Galron about being mafia but no accepting a decision to concede, but doesn't really say much as a follow-up or give any substantial reads into the game at all.In post 156, Not_Mafia wrote:But I'm town
Other players may have a better meta read on their playing styles but a lot of this feels like it could easily be mafia purposefully saying as little as possible while managing to eliminate a role player.
But again, a team with Galron strikes me as unlikely...too much interaction and too similar a playing style.-
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Just feels like quite an early point in the game to do so right enough. Like I'm presuming neither Galron or NM (whichever is mafia) knew they'd be nabbing a role player. I wonder if for whoever is mafia that has potentially backfired since it ended up being such a key elimination for us.
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In post 224, Frogsterking wrote:Oh okay yeah now that i took a second look at it i really feel town pings.In post 229, Frogsterking wrote:
Once my levels of paranoia decreased i realized that you're super townie.In post 228, Frogsterking wrote:
I thought you were town telling so hard I got paranoid.In post 227, MalcolmTucker wrote:
What initially gave you a mafia vibe and what turned you away from that so quickly?In post 224, Frogsterking wrote:Oh okay yeah now that i took a second look at it i really feel town pings.
Reading through your ISO so far Frogster and a lot of this seems quite suspect.In post 236, Frogsterking wrote:Malcolm and koba are persuading me to scumread NM
You immediately opt to vote for MM, presumably since they'd been one of the key drivers of the day one vote. But instead of defending this read you ask Koba to defend their town read, which then gives you space to back down. This doesn't seem particularly townie...it can be a useful way for mafia to back away from a read that could be problematic.
And in a few cases (like me) you've flipped your reads quite quickly and at a moment's notice. I dunno if there's maybe a sense of trying to get Koba onside since they've been a prominent voice since joining the game, but it feels as if you're reluctant to make your own distinct reads.
That could just be your style though, and it's not always the worst thing for a townie to trust the reads of others and ask them for more in-depth opinions. But it can also be a way to conveniently avoid having your own takes.-
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Well yeah but it also then puts Galron at major risk of elimination today. If that's just for a non-player role I'm unsure how much it's worth it.In post 268, Dwlee99 wrote:It's not that deep, it's a free elimination regardless of whether STD was a power role.-
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This is a really odd approach and I don't see what you've particularly achieved that's overly useful or beneficial for the town.In post 274, Frogsterking wrote:VOTE: malcolm okay this is based on a gutread and sheeping Koba's initial PoE. Gut read is on 214 not to trust. I lied about townreading malcolm to create overconfidence and see where he pushes.
I don't really have anFoSfor the partner at this time. I might be able to read Koba's alignment based on read progression so I would like to see Koba present another attempt at a full solve.
I don't see how I've been "sheeping" anyone's PoE, it's fairly obvious Galron and NM should be among our main suspects for this turn and I've tried to compile some evidence to back that up so far at a point when the thread was fairly quiet.
I'm not sure that this necessarily makes you look more mafia though because it's such an odd approach.
Also note you've linked me and Galron as possible teammates elsewhere - this is quite silly given I've pushed for Galron as one of the main elimination targets this now. No reason for mafia to do that to a teammate at this stage. Feels like a bit of a desperate link to make.-
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Any actual explanations for those reads or...?In post 352, Not_Mafia wrote:Mod said I have to post content or whatever so here's a readslist
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What makes you so confident about this?In post 403, Frogsterking wrote:Game is solved. NM + Dwlee-
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You thought I was mafia, did you not? That's different to having a role. I'd not even found out much of note either for most of my posts, I was largely just posting like a standard townie. Not sure that can be used as justification for an entirely different take.In post 411, Frogsterking wrote:
My intuition was right about you hiding something.In post 409, MalcolmTucker wrote:
What makes you so confident about this?In post 403, Frogsterking wrote:Game is solved. NM + Dwlee-
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You burying NM yesterday also kinda made sense, he was basically gone by that point, notably beforehand you were keen to settle on Galron and very much pushed the idea Galron was basically "openwolfing", which obviously turned out to be incorrect.
MM bringing me into today's game could be a misdirect but seems unlikely, Frogster was much more likely to vote for you in an instant and your only hope probably lies with convincing me to back you, however unlikely that may be.-
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I don't think your joint ISOs clear you that much, being exasperated at someone for making a false early claim is such an easy way to put distance between you. Notably you never really pushed too heavily after that.In post 449, Dwlee99 wrote:I think I'm not aligned with NM if you look at our joint ISOs. I mean I'm exasperated and annoyed at him claiming roleblocker for instance in the same way I was with house which is pretty clearly antiTMI that they were both not town PRs-
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Not that NM's read list here exactly went into detail, but I don't see why they put their teammate so high up. Also don't believe NM would jump onto the final vote of an initial bandwagon started by his teammate, personally feels a bit too obvious.In post 352, Not_Mafia wrote:Mod said I have to post content or whatever so here's a readslist
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My only concern re MM is that they did push that initial bandwagon but have been largely quiet riding the game out since then without much suspicion. There's a certain convenience to that, but we'd have to be extremely unlucky statistically for my role check on MM to end up being mafia as opposed to townie.-
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MM was willing to go NM day two, so not as if they mounted a particular defence, but did opt for Galron. But I did the same, as did most of us. In retrospect not a lot of thought really went into that vote.In post 339, The Muffin Man wrote:Tbf i would also lowkey be down to kill N_M
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Was aware that was a possibility, but your average finding will still be town more often than goon. Anyway, apologies, called it wrong.In post 486, Dwlee99 wrote:Well you were wrong lol
The final mafia was a GOON.Meaning your result shows vanilla on them.Your result was literally completely irrelevant
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