Open 847 - Trust Fall [Game Over]

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who'se town

antlers are sus. i think anyone with three or more eyes is very trustworthy

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hello chavella =]

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Prism told Enchant that in game thread instead of in in a scum thread.
Enchant confirmed town ez.

is this an actually reasonable assumption? at best this is meme and at worst this is you trying to give some kind of meme!towncred to your scumpartner

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who'se town

antlers are sus. i think anyone with three or more eyes is very trustworthy

Pardon me while I switch my avatar to a spider

Nm spiders are scary

it's an outer wilds reference but to explain it would be major spoilers

If this is not a meme by Norwee I'll eat my bong

DUDE

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i guess i do not get it

that bad joke doesn't get to come on the train imo

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Dude?

isn't that your avatar? the dude

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dude

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it's a reference to a very obscure genre of poetry that shiki and i both enjoy

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thanks
also that is not a misgendering because of the context of this conversation amd i get to say so because
1) it's the big leblowsky who mans everyone
2) i am an ordained priest in the church of the latter day dude

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i think limbait is a much smaller factor this game, instead of removing "weaker" players this setup seems to have an inherent tendency to remove "stronger" players who are able to determine others' alignments. consider the 4v2 yeetlo or the 3v1 yeetlo situations that will always happen here

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We can still do SOCIAL DISTANCING from those we deem enemies of the state.

ok bye

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shiki do you have throughts on my idea in 61

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i think limbait is a much smaller factor this game, instead of removing "weaker" players this setup seems to have an inherent tendency to remove "stronger" players who are able to determine others' alignments. consider the 4v2 yeetlo or the 3v1 yeetlo situations that will always happen here

So ... Are you suggesting somebody should trust the limbait early so as to not leave it until yeetlo?

no. letting it sit around longer gives us more time to correctly sort it.

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damn it's really hard to actuall yget good reads on people this game because town and scum have the same goal

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can someone actually be scummy in this setup? everyone has the same goal

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alright so there's ten of us what if nobody ever trusts anybody and we just take turn modding marathon micros in here?

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fuck i thought we didnt have deadlines nvm

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the brainworms whispered to me that hem is trying to remove towncred from shiki and just wants to yeet scum!self out of here asap

pedit mind meld

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Trust. No. One. gg easy

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I'm stupid and I didn't realize that it could still be SvT where you're scum

So it's TvT, SvS, or TvS
eyeroll

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Hem can you explain the theory behind all this?

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Norwee didn't you call me a scummy gotcha fisher?

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I mean also it's a good question that I want to see answered because I don't understand how that move helps us win

pedit

this setup is wack and I feel like the only way someone wouldn't want to nut button accept is if they are both scum. The mechanical incentive is to exit the game.

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Accept my love.

Trust: Humaneatingmonkey

So why them?

This is gotcha fishing

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Also good night it's 5am and I have a day tomorrow

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why are we buddies? please let me know in the morning

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can trust triangles help here? three people all think they are town and then form a trust triangle where A trust B, B trust C, C trust A and then they are all pseudomechanically conftown. I think the trusts would also have to form in that order.

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also hem i wanted you to have posted why we were buddies by the time i return but that literally hasn't happened so you can fuck off

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alright so we don't triangle that is fine. chaevla is right that we should focus on getting more content from more people so that town people are more yeetable

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saying that lurking is towny makes it not towny anymore because it suddenly becomes a publicly known wifom good job dude

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i mean like maybe im an idiot but i feel like saying that makes it lsess true like when you read mafia theory on the wiki and it says all of this advice is outdated because if people know this they can play around it but that feels fucing stupid i might just be an idot

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as always shiki is very smart and correct

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dont fucking superhyperpost just like manifest your alignment through posting

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also, not sure how important this is, I'm not here at deadline, sunday the 13th I literally can't possibly post that day

if you send a trust before then it can be accepted without you being around, you just can't accept a sent one to yu

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the biggest problem is that people are disagreeing on an individualist or collectivist solution to the problem that this setup poses and people are just scumreading each other for it

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okay let's talk about why they're tiered that way

shiki is already uncomfortable making tierlist in the first place can you fuck off with this neurotypical bullshit? not everyone thinks about thinks the same way as you

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>.< am i not allowed to discuss reads now?

bugspray, if i find out you're scum and you're weaponizing the "neurotypical" angle to pocket shiki and advance in the game, i will hate you forever.

regardless of alignment i think it's evil to try and make people do things they clearly don't want to. i find it despicable that you would even insinuate that i am weaponizing your so called angle to pocket a player

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alright i hope this helps
HEAL: chevre
[/vote]chevre[/vote]

I trust chevre.

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typo'd one tag but it is 100% unambiguous

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so then it's enchant + a lurker

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I love fast paced games, i can't really stand still for 5 days.

Risk was not big anyway.

why did you decide that the risk was not big?

2/9

I AM RUSSIAN RULETTE CHAMPION.

trust bugspray next round

i want to run the math on this

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so if we assume ench town to make this exercise not pointless and hem+shiki is town that means tomorrow trusting me is 2/7 but 2/7*2/9 is under seven percent

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hem why is that a good idea because statistically it isn't

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why is it smart for enchant to trust me tomorrow?
by the numbers it's less than 7% that the yolo today and then tomorrow on me is safe

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what the fuck are you on about?

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do you have an actual deeper reason or are you just looking for a gotchta?

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norwee what the fuck is hem talking about

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yes like from my perspective it is obviously good i was trying to look at it from not my perspective when understanding the things other people say

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yeah they think i'm scum but i'm more confused about the why

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how do you see this working tho

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where did i say this

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norwee would prefer if you trust with him i think, but i dont think he would accept it this early

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whenver i try to read a post i just disassociate

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gonna like be gone for a bit

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a replacement bullies another slot into replacing i hate this

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the math was from enchant's perspective

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so if we assume ench town to make this exercise not pointless and hem+shiki is town that means tomorrow trusting me is 2/7 but 2/7*2/9 is under seven percent

so for enchant to choose another player on day one there are nine other players to select and two of them are certainly scum if enchant is town
on day one it is a 2/9

on day two there seven other players and two are scum so it's 2/7 and to get the probability of both of those being true oh i did it completely wrong it should be 1-2/7*1-2/9 to get the probability of hitting town twice and it's like 55.5repeating% assuming that we have no more town clears so i was literally already wrong

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and this math does make a lot of assumtpions:
1) enchant is town
2) the alignment of every other player is not known

and for me i cannot prove those assumtpitons are true



pediet: the math is literlaly just a sequence of yolotrusts and previously due to bad math i thought it was under 7% that enchant trusting randomly on day2 after doing it successfully on day 1 would be good both times if we look at those random events happening in order but honestly the idea of using math to prove something in a game of mafia is fucking stupid i even had my signature be that at one point before the misgenderins became too much

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i was highlighting the risk from the perspecive of someone who doesn't know my alignment how is this so hard to understand

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what for

read my signature

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i think that's why i'm leaving the game too. to put my solve to the test, and if it really was a shitty solve, then at least you cool kids can clean up nicely.

coward move lol

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chav dont suddenly trust me from out of nowhere mmkay

it never felt like chav trusted you very much

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i believe every hem post on this page i've read to be bad faith, and also a bunch of the ones on the previous page

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tunneling someone as scum in this setup is quite bad

being anti town doesn't make you scum and vice versa

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chav could also come with me and then hem can be alive in aftermath of his master plan with the info from my flip

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i hope this flips town
i do anyway but here i really hope ench does

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PRISM

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i really don't understand why hem would say me+shiki in finals when he was so certain that me+enchant are scum partners

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why woulkd i not lurk if n'yall win the game for me?

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do you generally agree with consensus bugs?

i don't really see a strong consensus

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did y'all figure out who i'm getting shot into space with yet?

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wait is my timezone wrong test

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MY TIMEZONE IS SET WRONG WTF

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no pick me VOTE: Meuh

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I’m not accepting either, at least for now

pls

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so you admit you are scum

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VOTE: meuh LET'S GO

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replacements remove what little integrity the game has