Open 849 - Panic Room! -- Game over!

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Ugh beat me to it >.>

VOTE: andantw

@pawvoski regular vla fridays and saturdays

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Also i love love love the flavor

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Let's elim by dice.


From VT perspective, we have 1/8 chance to win instantly.

Not sure i agree with the approach but i think this is a+town post

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why

Dont think scum enters the game suggesting that

(Maybe more accurate to say i dont think scum*him* enters the game suggesting that, i suppose)

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whats scum enchant like

I dont know how to answer this question beyond: i dont think scum-him thinks to enter the game proposing a strategy based on luck like that

He apparently thinks otherwise so this thought might well be bunk, but that's not how i thought scum-him would act

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Skimmed a few games (Slaughter, MELO, last PYP) to see if skitter has a habit of giving the early townread as either alignment.

No dice, guess I'll have to wait on something else!

I try to voice the first reads that i have generally!

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this seems overdefensive and anxious btw

No it doesnt

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this seems overdefensive and anxious btw

No it doesnt

catboi greets her with a wavy rvs and she has to create a dramatic way to tell that she didn't roll scum. i'd say it's overdefensive and anxious.

I think its p on brand for prism, esp. in relation to catboi

Do u have any thoughts on enchant and/or his entrance?

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Here's another useful game to reference

Serious?

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tbh it seems like you know i'm town

and you're working your way backwards using meta

Where are u getting this vibe from ... ?

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Have a good weekend all!

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K, just checking what stage we were at cuz if that was real i would have objected

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Ah i worded that badly, i meant more: if he was scumreading u at that stage i would have disagreed with the read on you

I dont know if i would have scumread him for it, but it would have merited further investigation

I'm not sure what you're trying to say in 85, sorry

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sad that no one's around to entertain you this fine evening?

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if any of you ever hear me say i want to play a Game of Mafia again beat me up

to be fair, i don't think this game is *that* awful yet

VOTE: Umlaut

why this vote?

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thought you were townreading me lmao

i'm still confused how you came to this conclusion, or like which posts even gave that vibe to you

tbh it seems like you know i'm town and you're working your way backwards using meta

and again since it doesn't seem like you answered it:

Do u have any thoughts on enchant and/or his entrance?

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do you townread prism right now?

i wouldn't say i 'townread' him, but he's like nulltown or thereabouts

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VOTE: andante

I just read a game of yours!

Skityer, hem and umlaut earlier town vibes.

Also, currently at a meet in a wood, I have very little signal.

@mod, v/la 'til Tuesday

is this a 'i think andante is scum because of meta' vote, or a 'rvs' vote?
why hem? why umlaut?

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3 more to hammer Andante.

UNVOTE:

why do you want to hammer andante?

hem this andante read almost feels like a response to the wagon on her and not an organic read that you've formed on your own

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(ill "Post" in like 1-3 days more when i am not being ran through a meat grinder of pain) but for now vibes

feel better <3

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Regfan'll come visit, we'll have a spare room for skitter if she ever wants to stop by or move in. But if you don't want her there then by God we'll kick her out again.

A place of our own, just you and me

sounds like a fun place!

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in other news: andante is town

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i'm not really vibing the ydra wagon, and i'm not much liking roden either

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Other spicy dart throw take is that I wasn't really a fan of skitter's last set of posts. I'll probably work through it more tomorrow when not spitballing and on my phone.

I guess I just don't get that Andante read. Her reaction to the wagon was more muted than usual. She normally freaks out more as either alignment, so I was actually really glad to see something restrained (Which is why I gave the "Lord forgive them...but no more activity problems" spiel). It's just weird to townread that when from my perspective it's a switch up from both scum & town play.

i actually thought it fit pretty well with how i'd imagine town-her to react to that wagon ....
in what way do u think she's being muted ?

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Monkey questions are very par for the course, and bringing forcefulness to almost arbitrary decisions is kind of his town modus operandi. The ping-ponging expectations around me are still weird but the rest is very standard. I would slot him as town right now.

i mean to me the questions read as randon, without purpose, and not really going anywhere ...

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Bella is currently lock scum to me, so they need to look townier if I'm gonna go elsewhere, but that entrance is textbook scum entrance. and TRs that come from no where? yeah... town could at least give a reason

i mean to be charitable it's possible that that was meant as a standard RVS entry vote as a sort of 'oh hi i just saw you so i'm saying hi via voting you' kind of vote
which would kinda match with her v/la entry

but the townreads are still puzzling even with that reading ^

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and I'm not inclined to let him get away with the demotivated/don't care card when it's in his toolkit

. I'm fine letting the "not giving Prism attention" comment pass as a joke, but as a serious characterization it's misleading and dismissive.

i'm a little wary, but i'm not sure he'd pull that again given you + me being in this game
i'm gonna give him a little more time to get into the swing of things

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I would like other people to join on cat. I thought his reaction to Andante was shit play, and I'm not inclined to let him get away with the demotivated/don't care card when it's in his toolkit. I'm fine letting the "not giving Prism attention" comment pass as a joke, but as a serious characterization it's misleading and dismissive.

do you scumread the dont care vibe

the context is that he was in a game where he feigned that vibe the entire game to stay under the radar
and it worked and he won

so in this case it is theoretically +scum for him but i'm not sure he'd try to pull it again rn

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I don't know what to say about skitter, but unvote on Andante was... Cheaaaaap.

i didn't like the wagon that was devloping on her at that time

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hello!!

hello!

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VOTE: roden

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VOTE: Andante actually wait this ISO is worse.

because

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ok so do u wanna elaborate on any of htose or

pedit i think that that's how she towntells tho; the absence of that is when i become concerned ...

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i think she just kinda freezes as scum tbh
or at least her iso/posts is a lot emptier and there's a lot less train-of-thought vibes when she's scum, and less content and more excuses about why she doesn't have as many reads
as town i think we just kinda get exactly what she's thinking, as she's thinking it

which is kinda what i'm seeing here

i think she is by nature noise-y and posture-y, but i wouldn't consider them scumtells for her

pedit so is fire like a scumread but default? and what made catboi a scumlean?

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uh i can see scum doing that ...

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uh i can see scum doing that ...

why doesn't he just explain

if he doesn't have an explanation?

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If Andante is town I'll probably see it eventually.

I think fire is on the townier side.

*why* though?

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uh i can see scum doing that ...

why doesn't he just explain

if he doesn't have an explanation?

do you really think roden couldn't make something up if he wanted

because like

... i don't think it's that hard to make stuff up about me honestly when i am like this

he probably could but i'm saying it isn't a reason to townread him

anyways i want to do this now
VOTE: yeet

pedit fire's i can kinda understand, what did you like about bella's?

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Well Bella's was the more AI one imo so lol.

yeah it was scummy, what did you see that was townie about it ...

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Okay skitter30 let's play this game, why do you want my head now?

i don't understand any of your reads+ i'm about to bounce and don't want to keep my vote on roden just now

i can continue this in ~6 hours

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yeah so can you just answer the question of what in bella's opening post made you think they were town?

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ok let's not read into the replacement/ v/la bit but the entrance was bad, yeah

what about the choice of townreads made you townread her? they made me scumread her because she was townreading someone who had like an entry post, someone who had a variety of meaningless questions that i didn't perceive as going anywhere, and myself, who probably should not have been townread at that juncture

if you could fill in the blank that would be great: ' i saw bella's townreads and they made me townread her because ...'

ok really gotta bounce now

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Okay fine Andante is town I agree now.

Fair enuf skitter, you win, you're always right

???? why

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' i saw bella's townreads and they made me townread her because ...'.replace('...','they were flippant controversial takes that are hard to explain and look weird')

To me they looked like reads she had made up

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I think it's like insanely obvious I'm town here I really don't think any scum plays the way I am playing rn btw but I'm pretty biased haha.

Its really not, no

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i didn't read the thread until after i replaced in, so i did not have an uninformed read of it

but imo whoever said that bella was voting RVS-style kind of to say hi to you, and that it prob was not a serious meta read vote, is more likely to be right. that's how i read it. who knows, tho

That was me, although i didnt actually say that's what she was doing, rather i was trying to figure out if it was that or if she was scumreading andante off of me except she repped out ...

When did you read it that way?

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Kinda have a gut feeling that Fire is the venge bomb, or I guess Alpha Zombie with this flavor

What's giving u thay vibe? Or at least, why alpha zombie specifically?

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Oh hello ari!

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I feel like Yeet is deliberately trying to play to a certain style and that'¢ why their posts seem so fake. I'd guess alt trying to play more flippantly or something like that. Not saying it makes them town but it makes them not someone you can scumread on tone

I mean possibly, i think they're capable of looking town if they want to

My issue is more that their posts ans reads dont really make sense and lack follow-through from post-to-post

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It's very angle shooty. Replace out after going VLA pings me. The slot was already getting scum read but wasn't going to be around to defend themself. If town or a Goon then it would be just be whatever, the wagon would probably dissipate anyway. But if you're the game ending role there's going to be a sense of responsibility and pressure to play well enough to not auto lose Day 1. So replacing out makes sense if you don't want to feel like you're letting your team down.

Ok per site rules we really shouldnt read so much into this but this is a townie post

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VOTE: fire

my mental is paper mache right now so expect ... not a lot less than usual from me

i think that right now fire could be the bomb because yeet doesn’t want to vote there it’s like... there are two options other than yourself and things aren’t really locked in yet i guess but it feels strange to go down the hem road right now and their interactions feel weird

Uh this is A Post

(Firstly feel better ydra <3)

But:
- preflips are bad
- using them to assume that anyone is the bomb is bad
- do you even scumread fire independantly other than the fact that yeet isnt voting thrm?

Why dont you vote yeer first?

Also fwiw while bella's opening was Bad i dont really have an issue with fire thus far, a coupoe of their posts even townpinged

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like the way fire comes into the game is sort of

pepper reads into things a scumread here or there but yeet is there as the focus kill yeet at the end of the day but yeet can’t bus back because if fire is the bomb and anyone really jumps on that it’s game over

and yeet is sort of saying what don’t you get this is why i townread you duh because ... yeah there’s no other alternative

i think the other choice right now would be catboi but ifk it feels good when cat goes “excuse me?” to yeet calling fire town because it doesn’t all make sense well

Ok but this is like presupposing fire is bomb, why are you coming to this conclusion vs just thinking fire is town scumreading yeet

This almost reads ydra/yeet?

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doesnt make you town tho

I mean sure but doesn't make him scum either

I think bella's entry post is being overweighted tbh

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- preflips are bad
- using them to assume that anyone is the bomb is bad

mmm I somewhat disagree - I think we can have higher chance of hitting the bomb on d1 if we use some preflips/vca

In principal i agree but i'm kinda dubious that we'll actually get there in practice without chasing our tails

And hi+

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I'm also not sure i get the umlaut suspicion

I

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re-read everything and my first guess for the team is fire - skitter - catboi

VOTE: fireisredsir

If you pull up skitter/catboi's isos - there's a marked lack of discussion of bella/fire's actual alignment despite engagement around the slot which feels susp.

I mean her first post was bad yeah
Didnt make her scum, i even noted the andante vote could have a relatively benign explanation

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Although i'm kinda baffled why you think behaving that way towards the slot is partner-y or why you think scum-me and scum-catbou both choose to interact with a partner in the exact same way

Also why do u scumread fire? Because of bella?

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Whoops that was at ari ^

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Hi ydra!

So are u saying that fire is bomb-scum who saw his partner being voted on like p12 and chose to bus him

And that yeet not voting him back makes him scum ...

Like sure i guess that can be An explanation but like i'm not convined that's fhe most likely explanation ... ?

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it's not really about the same way - it's like a negative void space where a read should be but isn't.

I didnt think there was enuf to read bella off of off that one post. It was a bad post but didnt lock-scum her or anything, and she left before i could ask her abt it more

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Fair enuf but i guess for me i'm not really seeing anything convincing me that that slot is the bomb

Also if you're basing the bomb-read off of preflips/teamreads, but both of you are coming to the same conclusions from vastly different angles that kinda negates the bomb read for me

Like you're coming to the same conclusion, but starting from different teams

I dont think i explained this thought well, i'll see if i can word it bettwr

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Oh i thought i said he was townie? Did i not say that?

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I gotta bounce but i'll be back in a bit, sorry

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sorry my work instituted return-to-office 2x a weeka couple weeks back so i need to spend time on things like 'commuting' instead of 'bickering with people online'

Spoiler:

You are thinking about this too hard fire. It's not that complicated, you overthink a lot imo

I do too to be fair, I don't mean that in a mean way sorry if it came off like that. You are obviously a much better and more thinking player than I am.

see it's stuff like this
a) i do overthink a lot, but i think it would be more overthinking for me to disregard my gut scumread due to it being too obvious or whatever
b) i don't think im a better player than you and i think the way you're not giving yourself credit here, assuming it wasn't sarcastic, feels forced and fake

yeet why do you think im town

I think your push on me feels organic. There's a lot of things going on in the word organic that I'm not really sure how to explain right now.

Fire, what do you think about this answer?

i don't think it's a very good answer. doesn't even make sense bc he townread me before I pushed him. and i don't know what about my push would look so organic that he would call me town that strongly for it

so im being scumread for:
1) my previous slot rvs vote
2) my previous slot replacing out
3) me voting someone who is scummy and getting townread by them and therefore i must be partners with them and i must be the bomb

am i missing anything

please tell me im missing something

idk if you're talking to me or ydrasse. so correct me if im wrong here, but this sounds like another one of those "yeet is being suspected, if he's scum, x player is probably the bomb" theories

forgive me if im not especially enthused by those considering i at least know they're 0/1 so far

and i thought umlaut looked more towny than scummy anyway

i liked these posts ^ it isn't a strong townread, but i don't see anything to scumread him for either, and i'm not convinced bella's entrance made the slot scum either

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and wrt 'bomb!fire' - i'm going to try to reword this cuz i dont' think i got my thought across
we're bombreading people based on how either people interact with the slot, right?
so a bomb-read has to be a result of a team-read (or a team-read has to come about because of a bomb-read, whatever)

but *your teamread* and *ydra's teamread* can't both be right at the same time (he can't be scum with all of me/catboi/yeet; i guess you can argue it's exactly fire + yeet + one of {me/cat} but then you have to be arguing that's exactly the teamread)

like unless you want to argue that the team is exactly fire/yeet + one of me/cat
one of you has to be wrong

meaning the fact that you're both coming to that conclusion doesn't really like 'double' the weight of the read or anything
because each of you can't be right

so this thought doesn't make sense to me, that multiple people thinking fire is bomb is making it more likely
did i explain that better this time?

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same conclusions from vastly different angles

to me this actually increases his bomb equity as it expands the number of possible universes with bomb!fire

like i don't get this as a thought

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If there are more interactions with more players that point towards Fire!Bomb - it decreases the probability of any specific team solve being correct but it increases the probability that fire is the bomb.

Perhaps I am wrong about my teamread of Fire!bomb and Ydra is correct about her teamread of Fire!bomb, but that still means Fire is the bomb.

No, that's not how teamreads work, you're like starting with the assumption that fire is bomb and working backwardsa

Do u scumread me or cat independantly of fire?
Or only as potential partners

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Fire Iso

his style here is a lot more proactive and decisive - here he feels more noncommital/careful/worried

I dont know anything abt that game, but i dont think he's careful or worried, and i'm not convinced the differences cant be explained by him repping in

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No offense ari but i think ur fire bombread is somewhat flimsy, as if your reasoning for ur teamread
Pedit i dont really think it works that way
Ans i'm interested in ur scumreads of me/cat

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I'm willing to give cat a bit
And i think yeet is scum
I'm also starting to think ur scum

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Monkey - scummy
Cat - want to give him slightly longer to get motivated (this pass extends to ~eod1)

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Yeah. I'm aware

I dont really know how to elaborate / want to elaborate but i dont think he'd do it again
But its possible i'm wrong hence why the pass is only today

Pedit yeah i can see why you'd think that

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i feel like he's asking questions for the sake of asking questions and that they're not really leading anywhere

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Spoiler:

whats scum enchant like

ydrasse didn't you soulread enchant our last game? what's scum!enchant like?

how do you define a tunnel andante

@cat i didn't like questions liek these

i also disliked: his vote-hopping; interactions with prism; and case on andante
even now i don't really get his umlaut read

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i'm not really vibing the ydra wagon, and i'm not much liking roden either

i forgot about this, skitter can you explain what you meant here? "not much liking roden" = you not liking the wagon, or you thinking roden is scummy?

the latter, at the time (i.e. i liked later posts of his)

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VOTE: hem

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Gg everyone <3
If you have any more flavor written, i'd love to see it :)

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i will forever regret not unvoting yeet and joining onto you

i really thought it was a bus though. im guessing ydrasse had been recruited already and so you just needed to push the lim through?

no umlaut neighborized hem without me consenting to it and then pushed the elim while I was afk

would never have neighbored ydrasse

Ah hem made it sound like you both wanted to
Aounds like u had good reads there tho

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I dont think we were in true autowin
But the game became a lot easier once hem got hooded
And then even easier with the quickhammwr oppurtunity

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Ah i didnt even think abt the option to shoot the bomb

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please get well soon!