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fucking finally!

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Hey Enchant

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I think we do organize because then we can diagnose what happened when it didn't fire, and it would help us gamesolve.

I sus Enchant for floating that idea in the ether.

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day 1 suuuucks let's kill somebody at random i choose Not_Mafia

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VOTE: Not_Mafia get in the meme wagon

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i refuse to strategize and instead opt to rely on someone spoonfeeding me strategy

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lol nancy is actually scummy

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how are you doing there, italiano

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idk man nancy's reaction to n_m feels off

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especially that olive branch she's giving so n_m can leave her alone

anyone want to spoonfeed the town re: strategy yet? my strategy is not to think about strategy and just sheep whoever else wants to take control. it's day 1. let's get wild.

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VOTE: Nancy Sinatra

not admitting that she was giving N_M a way out in her recent postings suggests either lack of self-awareness or deceptive behavior. could be scum! let's gather 'round this slot!

[humaneatingmonkey]

happy with my vote

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VOTE: Nancy Sinatra

not admitting that she was giving N_M a way out in her recent postings suggests either lack of self-awareness or deceptive behavior. could be scum! let's gather 'round this slot!

i did this vote, schadd

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im gonna low-effort and just follow my gut on this one. sorry if that disappoints people. i think an extended "cerebral" day 1 creates diminishing returns for town and think I'll see more success just going for what intuitively feels off.

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See I actually think NM could be wrongly tunnelled town but you have decent scum equity.

example of olive branch

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If either both HEM/NM is scum, then STD is probably town. Neither if scum, would have been so quick to push me if STD is a buddy of either.

~N

i dont think this is natural town logic because i dont know if i would clear STD here for the reason being given. i think it's designed exclusively to hand out an olive branch to std. designed to divide the opposition and not allow them to create a block.

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i dont have any stock opinions on how nancy would react, except i think it's nancy was too intense in her reaction towards n_m, std, and me + she denies her olive branches + she doubles down — all suggests deception.

facebones did you roll scum?

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stop posting so much and wait out the other players, you're crowding the thread with air and important stuff could get lost/forgotten.

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the fuck

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nancy is catching heat there and but have been publicly pursuing n_m until std comes to attack. i didn't see any reason for nancy to relent. it seemed like the motive was suppressing n_m's fire so she doesn't have to fight two fronts. ultimately, it's not scummy on its own but when nancy denies that she does it implies guilt in an otherwise not-a-big-deal situation and the denial is evidence of deception. notice that her denial of my observation was the basis of her scumread on me, as i have been making shit up apparently.

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why do you townread nancy, flea

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wat is scum going for a quickelim here?

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If scum, his angle could be to push a mis-elim through and then claim "it was just a prank bro".

hahaha lmao what do i really play like this

i meant every word i said about nancy

i also dont have any strong reads right now where everything fits in like a theory of everything. i also dont want to overthink things. i just want to park my vote in nancy, dip out, check again if nancy still looks bad, then dip out.

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wat is scum going for a quickelim here?

Who is this referring to?

~N

anything goes to E-1 this early, pretty safe to say that's scum dashing for an opportune quickelim. so im just gonna give away a free townread towards n_m here. also i like the strength of his push.

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what about nancy's reactions makes you think town roden?

[humaneatingmonkey]

okay since i pocketed you last game I'll let you pocket me this time

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where do you want to vote roden?

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Softly warning Nancy to stop arguing with NM is also just out of character for him

that's a good spot actually. sold. VOTE: Enchant

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Is N_M really that toxic? I've been playing with him and he seems like he's seriously playing so far. Sure, he might quickhammer here and there but that's part of his playstyle. Targetting N_M personally for a playstyle seems mean to me idk

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unforgivable and toxic

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flea, what's your N_M related trauma?

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I have thoughts but I want N_M to react.

I also think there's more nuance to both N_M and Enchant than lolhammerers. Also targeting lolhammers for their playstyle in early game is more anti-town than lolhammering, hot take.

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Hem and nm are where my vote goes today.
Even if nm is town they are going to turn this game into a toxic are pile and be town neg.

You always say this

So not scum-motivated — as in, targeting you as a low hanging fruit?

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N_M do you trust me

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Why tho

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But what HEM said was true

Nancy does thing ---> HEM points out that Nancy does thing --> Nancy asks where she did thing --> HEM shows where Nancy did thing --> Nancy calls it making shit up --> I hammer Nancy and she flips scum

N_M was so supportive here and it's so sweet, but i haven't really seen that before. not super exposed to N_M tho so i want others to weigh in if this is characteristic. so it could be evidence of pocketing behavior if it's out of his town range?

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characteristic

uh... in-character maybe is a better word

[humaneatingmonkey]

N_M in a newbie

im so sorry for your experience

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you are playing hella caught for the wrong reasons.

that's a mindmeld if i ever had one

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that's a coalition of 4. std, dwlee, n_m and i feel the same way about the same slot. maybe there's something there.

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mafia manipulation or nancy really is sus? std, dwlee, and n_m... what did you feel about roden, gamma, flea's defense of nancy? i'm not sure if enchant classifies as a defense (he voted me, so his reason could be related to me parking on nancy)

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damn yeah i found town

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i mean i stopped voting nancy because i agree with their stance that she's reactive. this is kind of what i'd expect from nancy as town but it seems a bit extreme and when you put it like "caught for the wrong reasons" i'm vibing with that more than "she's reactive"

this is town because it's a pov that i share, down to the shift on pov where i let go of nancy because she might be town who plays an "intense reaction" game (not the first time i'd have encountered a player like that) to the wanting to go back to her wagon because of what dwlee pointed out.

though i pocketed jv because he had a similar thing about me, and rode that townread... so... it's not really that hard. but i'm willing to drop std from the d1 l-pool.

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okay why

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On what planet is Nancy "Caught for the wrong reasons"?

Don't get me wrong, i'm all for whaling on a hydra because 1 head fucked up. There's no fuck up here, there's no slip, no catch, nothing.

And frankly if you go for Nancy/IVD today I'm 99% thats a green flip and I will laugh at the lot of you.

on the planet four of us are in

you're not seeing what we're pointing at? i want to hear from you because you have such a strong read on nancy that i think if you can reframe what we're seeing, maybe you can enlighten us.

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like, engage with our POV instead of telling us that there's nothing to see! (what others might call a 'gaslight', i myself am more open-minded)

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i don't think scum!flea defends nancy so hard tho

even as buddies?

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watch it be scum!flea town!nancy lol

"nothing to see" isn't a defense I'll make for a potential miselim

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i see town!flea being stubborn and ignoring the fact that there's not 4 scum so at least one town is buying into nancy being scum and probably more, the scum team all jumping in on nancy being scum seems crazy.

there's probably a scum!nancy defender but i don't think it's flea

i dont think flea thinks there are 4 scum because flea said fae'll laugh at us if nancy flips town

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am i using that pronoun right, flea?

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what i meant was i dont think you think that we are all scum, or that it's a necessarily scum-motivated wagon

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or did i get that wrong?

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The dm one could possibly result in my getting anaphylactic shock irl. I used to be extremely allergic to peanuts.

~N

Is that you Gamma? Pretty cool looking guy lol

~VD

this rvs? that's your strong scum vibe from nancy, n_m? what's wrong with it?

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a coalition of 4 just means an observation has valid basis, but the inference might not be valid. it means 4 people are thinking the same thing, but it doesn't mean fully town-motivated.

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nancy, you're spending less time finding scum and more time trying to prove us wrong. i still dont know why std and dwlee is scum, and if you think im the least sus, then im your audience.

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secretary monkey here

what we know is nancy is too intense, almost overreacting to pushes against her especially in the early game. the 4 of us view it as scum-motivated, as scum trying to survive being caught. roden, flea, gamma see it as not really that compelling a reason.

- dwlee thinks nancy is caught for the wrong reasons, and that the wagon is possibly town-motivated.
- i hold this opinion because i perceived her to be performative. i mindmeld with both dwlee and std when they point out that nancy's emotions are from being mad that she's caught for the wrong reasons.
- std vibes with this, but his confidence is faltering.
- flea even views it as town-motivated, as fae doesn't believe nancy acts like this as scum. fae believes the push is scum-motivated.
- roden thinks nm and sympathizes with nancy and thinks he'll react this way too. he also thinks nancy won't react like this as scum.
- gamma thinks nancy has her townmindset on because of a read she had made, and thinks the push is scum-motivated. (citation needed, gamma)

is this a good summary of events?

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nancy, you're spending less time finding scum and more time trying to prove us wrong. i still dont know why std and dwlee is scum, and if you think im the least sus, then im your audience.

I already explained this, read my posts.

And it’s day freaking 1: give me time.

And I could make that same criticism to everyone pushing me. Why aren’t YOU looking for scum - whomever is actually town not looking for a ridiculous miselim - that is.

Because I am fucking NOT scum here.

yeah i didn't want this clapback from you. what i wanted was a dialogue. i think i've been ignoring you?

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i should note that both std and i was about to leave the nancy hypetrain for more productive endeavors before dwlee dropped his mixtape and changed the industry

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the pushes are bad because they would have known you better and recognize that your play is actually from your town play, right?

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how would you have handled the situation as scum? sorry for asking hypotheticals, i know they barely give any useful information to work with. but im thinking you could react like this despite your meta because you were attacked so early in the game.

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gamma this looks like the town game i imagine you always had that you didn't have in the games i played with you previously. either you're on a better place — congratulations — or you're scum? or maybe i'm wrong this is a zero confidence read.

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i can confirm i observe nancy's reaction to be off, but couldn't articulate it.

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why does italiano think im scum again?

[humaneatingmonkey]

n_m is good at t his game at the same level that everyone is good at this game. people who say they're good at this game are lying to themselves.

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town game performance doesn't scale with deductive skill or rhetoric skill. it scales with your ability to reconcile your thoughts with others, create consensus, and remove negative influences from building that consensus.
scum game performance though is 100% skillz.

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and also discrediting you, n_m

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right straight from his mouth, he says he usually defends you. but here, looks like all bets are off when he asks why would anyone take you seriously.

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i appreciate that you're actually giving us something to chew on, n_m.
can you also share why you think nancy's first post was ai? is this some sort of meta you have on nancy, or a tactic you use to see player reaction when you push nonsensical takes?

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Kitty?

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does he think nm is likely scum here?

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Kitty?

Tacky.

They were flaming obvscum in OMB and are playing 180 degrees differently here.

yeah that's my question, i didn't think kitty showed much enough to give us anything to read on.

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being obvscum in one game is actually a great learning experience which lessons carry over to future games. kitty hasn't even made any posts that can be reasonably called town yet. has he?

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where

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it barely attempts to sort n_m and no reason was given why n_m's posts (or even std's) are exclusively scum. are you sure he's genuinely trying to sort?

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i consider myself a swing vote, but i lean more that you're scum who relies on invoking meta (to some degree, maybe playing to your meta) to defend yourself. your premature read that kitty's posts are staggeringly town when there's no substance there add to the list of sus things from you. but i enjoy talking to you.
ivd doesn't even feel like they're town when they post, or even seriously considering that i'm scum.

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The dm one could possibly result in my getting anaphylactic shock irl. I used to be extremely allergic to peanuts.

~N

this is gonna sound like a silly request but can you expound on this lmao
what dm one? why did you bring up your peanut allergy?
i ask because n_m is being dodgy on what makes this scummy

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The dm one could possibly result in my getting anaphylactic shock irl. I used to be extremely allergic to peanuts.

~N

This is scum posting and nothing will ever

ever

ever

EVER

convince me otherwise and I will be off-wagon tunneling this slot until the end of the game

seems random tbh and even being specific in what strategy they will take on their tunnel on you (being off-wagon)

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yeah but why though? he just keeps on saying that. why me and nm?

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what were you referring to lol

i feel silly

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Roden, i think he meant that bad does not mean bs and i agree. bs is made-up and non-existent. bad is inaccurate.

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aight goodbye im gonna let this one blow over.

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I believe in some meta adjacent things but not meta itself. Like when people say "she's like this as town" maybe I agree.

When people say "In x game I was like this here's a link here's a quote" maybe I don't care

this is reasonable because when meta is referenced like that, it's usually playing to meta

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Why the AtE

wheres the ate

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why are you appealing to nancy, std? isn't she scum?

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VOTE: std

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so what information about nancy's alignment are you getting by being sassy, std?

[humaneatingmonkey]

im thinking you're scum right now bro

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std do you think you're towny?

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nah you're not being town. your entire existence in this game has been aimless. even your spat with roden and nancy both are aimless, with you not trying to flesh out your reads on them.

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like you're doing the motions of being in this game, but not really trying to play. i feel that.

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publicly, you've been uncertain on your read re: nancy but she has engaged you for a length of time and you've barely made progress on your read there. no added nuance. you've stated that nancy is being nancy, but nothing about her being town or scum or what that implies about the gamestate.
i feel that.

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no but seriously talk to me about it

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but where's the sass coming from? are you annoyed that people think you're scum? do you think what we're saying are stupid?

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i just told you why i'm scumreading you. you're not that wacky, sorry.

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You're barking up the wrong tree and I don't know how to convince you

see you didn't have to convince me, but that's the game you're playing and it tells me that's all you care about.

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you're just talking to me, because roden and nancy are both are scum here, from your pov. which, if both are pushing you i dont know why you're still roleplaying as a chill person. who else are you talking to here?
do they make sense as buddies?

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I have meta that disproves that

thought you dont believe in that shit bro

come on you got me out here defending you and shit. make it worth it!

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I dunno I think 1 could be scum but probably not both and I'm so unconfident in both its hard not to want to reach them if town

why isn't it both?

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*raises hands* it is i, your townread, telling you that you're being scummy right now

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bruh we had a dialogue. i told you why. let's move on, and just focus on finding scum for us! maybe I'll change my mind after!

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ill remind you that i had a mindmeld with you, and have defended you until recently.

i dont want anything from you. im ready to move on and watch out. I'll back you up if i think you're being unfairly judged.

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no! you gotta have to look at my iso if you want an elaboration!

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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Flailing

the data suggests it is actually more scummy to call someone out on flailing than to flail oneself.

I think Nancy is scum but I'm not sure

I think it's roden too but I've been burnt by that before and want to be more careful

Or maybe it's kitty tacky who's done nothing to try to sort me

Now he’s flailing too.

~N

gotcha!

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woenis

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do you trust your side on this game?

it's divided right now between std, dwlee vs nancy/ivd, me, flea, roden, gamma, kitty
n_m i don't think is serious. he's just baiting, i think. otherwise, he wouldn't just blurt out kitty out of nowhere. but i think he leans for std and dwlee.
swing votes are facebones and enchant? i don't like their position in this game.

this is my view of the gamestate.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Mainly just voted to get you to talk to me

bakaaa~

[humaneatingmonkey]

rough break-up... didn't even text... learned through parents...

[humaneatingmonkey]

it's like sending your mom to break up with your girlfriend

italianoVD is leaving you and so it's just you

[humaneatingmonkey]

i was kidding but it's cool

std did some spewing. what does everyone feel about that?

[humaneatingmonkey]

same thoughts on he's posting differently

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what makes you say?

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i have decided what side i want to be on. i want to yeet std and see if my instincts are wrong on that one. and then, if town, it will be immediately clear that this day 1 majority block is a dud. if scum, then we can study the push against nancy in greater detail and see who's positioned weirdly there.

nothing personnel kid

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i forgot. maybe it'll come to me after you answer me.

You think he and Kitty are aligned?

and playing good cop/bad cop on me?

where is this coming from?

[humaneatingmonkey]

a short day 1 is a good day 1. let's end it here.

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is anyone scumreading me?

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Are you calling me scum?

is that how you feel

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i was kidding but it's cool

std did some spewing. what does everyone feel about that?

You think he and Kitty are aligned?

and playing good cop/bad cop on me?

This is town!Nancy mindset, 100%

what does everyone feel about this? does everyone else agree? what do we feel about gamma saying this?

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Kitty the alternative is articulation

[humaneatingmonkey]

i want to understand what's going on inside that heaaaaaaad

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i want to understand what's going on inside that heaaaaaaad

It's just hard to explain beyond "their posts smell bad" but also it reminds me of how I acted when I was sinking scum in OMB as I explained now.

tell us about how you acted when you were sinking scum

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i was kidding but it's cool

std did some spewing. what does everyone feel about that?

You think he and Kitty are aligned?

and playing good cop/bad cop on me?

This is town!Nancy mindset, 100%

what does everyone feel about this? does everyone else agree? what do we feel about gamma saying this?

The good cop/bad cop thing is something I’ve only really seen mentioned by Town!nancy I think, and even if that’s inaccurate the application of it feels genuine

nancy seems self-aware of her meta. are you sure this isn't a pocket?

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I don't fucking know which scum is on me but it's pretty clear a scum is on me if you have eyes

figure it out bro it's almost time to hang you

[humaneatingmonkey]

is anyone scumreading me?

Yes.

okay why

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if nancy is town, and this will sound very suspicious to me, it would be very easy to pocket her because all there is to do is to side with her.

std, if you're town, look for scum riding her wave. if she's town, there probably is one.

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i guess i can see now why people think kitty is bad

[humaneatingmonkey]

but his involvement in std's wagon isn't even that invested? it's pretty lazy and shit. i would think scum to be better at bullshitting when std is actually displaying scumtells.

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would kitty really doom std? std is a valuable scum partner, and i'm not very sure std was confident in his position yesterday if he was scum (he was f l a i l i n g)

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i had that too. im not scum.

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We are absolutely a threat, our system is currently in sync and we're in ultimate hydra mode

yikes fuck this is 2 much 4 me bad vibes

[humaneatingmonkey]

Dwlee has emphatically declared that everyone pushing me has a town mindset

i must have missed this

[humaneatingmonkey]

i think it's time to talk about night strategy. i think this day ends with std or kitty's head on a pike.

[humaneatingmonkey]

enchant mentioned this but i honestly have zero grasp of our setup other than how many scum there is. can you elaborate?

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std is a majority wagon. kitty is the counterwagon.

[humaneatingmonkey]

people get way too precious about pronouns these days

i speak a language where pronouns aren't a thing, so i dont know how big a deal pronouns are. i'd imagine in the 50s, you'll get punched in the face if you keep addressing a man as a woman. don't say things like this out loud. it's just best to respect social rules and shit. you might get punched in the face.

pronouns are located where the names and the pictures are on the left side of every post. if there's nothing there, call them whatever you like or ask them.

in std's case, it's him/his. so he presents as male.

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well, you made a post about it. it's not whatever.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i townread facebones for this. he's not trying to be likeable.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Stop drawing me into this minute piece of my post and answer the rest, goddamn it.

that's how you learn to approach the topic more sensitively, bro!

[humaneatingmonkey]

What exactly has Nancy done that is so hard to fake as scum that she is absolutely locktown? Is her scum game that polarized?

Ugh you make so much sense

[humaneatingmonkey]

Does this game still make sense if both std and nancy are town? What does that look like? Who's the scum there? Getting bad vibes from flea. I need to say that. Facebones is my strongest townread, iirc

[humaneatingmonkey]

what are the odds of scum theater here guys

[humaneatingmonkey]

nancy v std

[humaneatingmonkey]

yeah why not

[humaneatingmonkey]

distance i guess idk. both of you seem really good at getting back up your feet. do you think svs can never be?

[humaneatingmonkey]

i have no grasp of this game right now.

[humaneatingmonkey]

can someone summarize the gamestate i feel the need to be re-oriented

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

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we need a strong flip for d1. not a compromise lurker low info flip like kitty. n_m (because this is the strongest way to gain info from that slot/player) or std (i still think he can be scum here, and i want to err towards the majority than the minority).

sorry in advance if both are town.

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im concerned that no one has scumread me in any meaningful way yet, and makes me wonder if i'm pocketed or useful to scum.

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okay you can continue to not like them because i dont really have much to say. each passing moment, our intuition is betrayed by our second-guessing and i want to hold on to the really strong stuff that i felt watching std waffle and be scummy.

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i was referring to way way back, not the waffles he's presenting towards nancy. personally, i dont care.

[humaneatingmonkey]

std's flip will inform the std vs nancy situation and give us a better perspective on how everyone was positioned there. i mentioned that earlier i think. n_m is opaque and has targetted kitty after giving nancy shit the whole game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

it proves nancy town, and probably me. i care about that.

[humaneatingmonkey]

well, if you are scum

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okay im not ready to push this point yet you can go continue whatever you're talking about forget i said anything

[humaneatingmonkey]

i think these recent HEM posts come from town but he really needs to get off me or at least think about what happens when i flip town if i flip

how

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how does it come from town

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im fucking scum. im out to get you.

[humaneatingmonkey]

no im scum

[humaneatingmonkey]

im scum. im seriously 100% scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

haha yeah

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: flea dont mind me im just scum doing omgus

[humaneatingmonkey]

push me

[humaneatingmonkey]

im scum so you can probably create a narrative where it makes sense that im scum all game. give me a highlight reel.

[humaneatingmonkey]

cop out. you've been calling me scum for a while now. you probably have ideas.

[humaneatingmonkey]

why bother

haha yeah

[humaneatingmonkey]

good luck convincing everyone

[humaneatingmonkey]

are you sure nobody seems interested in eliminating me. even you.

[humaneatingmonkey]

no we have enough time. im scum claiming, as you say. i really want to see you case me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

oh you dont have the heart for it, do you

[humaneatingmonkey]

not as confident to come up with whatever lie you need to come up with to convince everyone of your pov.

i'm scum! i'm scum! i'm scum! catch me if you can!

[humaneatingmonkey]

std is a majority wagon. kitty is the counterwagon.

Flashwagons can happen.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i think these recent HEM posts come from town but he really needs to get off me or at least think about what happens when i flip town if i flip

Yeah I'm not seeing HEM town here.
VOTE: HEM
I want a break down of what you get from what flip.

not interested in eliminating me/concerned that there's not enough time YET voting me

lmao!

let's flashwagon flea!

[humaneatingmonkey]

CALLING SAVETHEDRAGONS, KITTYTACKY, VENUS AND MARS, NOT_MAFIA, GAMMA EMERALD, RODEN

I CAUGHT SCUM

LET'S FLASHWAGON FLEA

[humaneatingmonkey]

FACEBONES, DWLEE99, YOU CAN COME TOO

[humaneatingmonkey]

i counted six and stopped there tbh

[humaneatingmonkey]

std if i can convince you that flea is scum, will you vote

[humaneatingmonkey]

okay why is flea town?

because i think it's scum-indicative that fae's voting for me (and have been calling me scum all game!) and thinks i'm caught scum when she can't even muster enough force to convince everyone to vote me out. also copping out by saying that there isn't enough time but maintains her vote on me, therefore wanting to eliminate me. she also says flashwagons can occur so that's not it! so she's lying, but she just can't case me because there's nothing to case.
if you think about a tvt nancy vs std scenario, flea has been there egging the two of you on. she has also been openly pocketing nancy, and i had that noted.

meanwhile, i get it if you don't want to join. you actually have a good partner equity with flea. maybe voting her out and her flipping scum would convince me otherwise.

[humaneatingmonkey]

n_m why not flea?

[humaneatingmonkey]

okay then can you debunk my case against flea

[humaneatingmonkey]

what is

[humaneatingmonkey]

GE, please notice me

[humaneatingmonkey]

why

[humaneatingmonkey]

Your scumclaiming is def not serious
Flea is just acting on policy

i dont think she's just acting on policy. she has been calling me scum all game with no case underneath her to stand on. and now, she's convinced i'm scum and voting me yet she can't even make a case to push me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

she says there isn't enough time to build a case or push me and yet, she's voting me so that's off!

[humaneatingmonkey]

sorry i keep forgetting

[humaneatingmonkey]

im hyped and i think i actually caught scum. i dont care if it doesn't push through. i know i hit jackpot.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'm right. get on the wagon.

[humaneatingmonkey]

flea has never believed in any vote fae has made. fae has been on and off on N_M for a long time with seemingly thin reasons because fae has settled to vote me. now fae can't back it up with a case nor having any interest in recruiting others meanwhile saying they can't because of time (but still voting for me)

[humaneatingmonkey]

fae has been calling you scum too, but never voted that way. instead going on and off on N_M because it's a non-controversial position to take (N_M is anti-town, you guys!)

[humaneatingmonkey]

also if fae really believed flashwagons can happen, why not go for n_m right now who fae believed to be scum all day rather than go for hem who fae has no interest in seeing get elimmed at end of day?

[humaneatingmonkey]

let's go for flea guys. if im right, ill be very graceful. if im wrong, ill shut up for the rest of the game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

fae has been calling you scum too, but never voted that way. instead going on and off on N_M because it's a non-controversial position to take (N_M is anti-town, you guys!)

to expound on this. i think it's interesting that flea takes the first opportunity to dump faer vote on my slot (even though fae doesn't believe fae can push me before eod!) because i "scumclaimed". it's a pattern of taking the low-risk votes despite presenting a pov where their votes could provide more weight according to the reads they present.

[humaneatingmonkey]

guys. im right. please.

[humaneatingmonkey]

thats why i believe you have partner equity. if not, fae has also been pocketing you or distancing from a town wagon. WHY NOT vote you when they scumread you? the reads and the votes should match, and they do not.

[humaneatingmonkey]

distancing from a town wagon. answer the question: WHY NOT? why does faer reads and votes do not match? what has fae been avoiding? if fae thought you were scum, what has fae not voted you?

but also... were you also going down? were you really?

like i said, this is also why i think you have partner equity.

please address my other points as well.

[humaneatingmonkey]

if you're town, it's to push you and to pocket you at the same time. it worked, you're blind to my other points and you won't address them.
if you're scum, it's okay nothing personal