Tbh I wouldn’t be entitled surprised if it was Wallflower/Enchant who both got on lateIn post 2238, Bellaphant wrote:Eh, I'd also love to have a chat with dweelee. @dweelee, throw some thoughts at me.
I have struggled with you and std - my reads on you are all over the place, Ive been really up front about that.
I guess it depends how much scum believed the math wagon was actually viable - obviously they'd prefer it over losing one of their own, so I don't think it's massively likely that there were /zero/ scum on it..as I said to Hq, it wouldn't surprise me if it was one on hem (I'm sure there must have been bussing, probably in the later half of the wagon), and one off totally, which also kind of reflects in the way the votes are just spaced. Is this unreasonable?
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I can’t spot a single game in your egosearch I’ve been scum with or against you in :/In post 2246, implosion wrote:I don't remember the last time I saw Gamma as scum but the angles he's taken are, idk, in line with how I feel like he'd be playing the game as town. It's the kind of read that I think I don't really feel the need to investigate deeply unless someone else familiar with Gamma sees something they think is scummy, and broadly people townread him, and I also still townread him.<Embrace The Void>
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if we're not gonna go after math today I wanna look at WallflowerIn post 2292, Roden wrote:Math I think there's a good chance you're town here, but yes you were absolutely very scummy yesterday and a bit at Day start today
her vote on HEM looks like it could be a bus vote and she's been absent this day phase so far<Embrace The Void>
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If I am a cop my check was on EnchantIn post 2305, Aristeia wrote:also does it make sense for Enchant to give us a hypo-cop result?
like hypothetically if he is ascetic cop, his investigation result last night is ____<Embrace The Void>
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putting a pin in thisIn post 2322, MathBlade wrote:
Except for the numerous other times I haven’t.In post 2321, Titus wrote:
No way town math wouldn't check me.In post 2319, Roden wrote:In post 2146, Enchant wrote:I am not claiming anything.
I think unless Wallflower checks in and claims to have JK'd/RB'd Math, then Math and Titus are TvT. I say that because she's the only one left who hasn't checked in. It would make today super easy if she did block the kill, but if not it's looking like someone chose Doctor and saved someone. And in that case the Doc can conftown someone if necessary.In post 2147, Enchant wrote:Just thinking Math is town<Embrace The Void>
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I thought his vote on you was just filler until he could hammerIn post 2336, Aristeia wrote:actually I might be open to flipping Enchant today since he cant hide behind his bullshit tunnel on me anymore and he obviously survived the night<Embrace The Void>
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how do you know she's wrong?In post 2349, Aristeia wrote:titus just thinks she was shot because she thinks she's right
but i know she's wrong so she probly wasn't shot<Embrace The Void>
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uhhhh whatIn post 2350, Titus wrote:In post 2349, Aristeia wrote:titus just thinks she was shot because she thinks she's right
but i know she's wrong so she probly wasn't shot
Gee my third suspect knows I am wrong. What a shock
The EoD Ari pushwasn'tcover?<Embrace The Void>
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counterpoint: if they were scum they were deep in a hole and needed a way outIn post 2378, Aristeia wrote:
the viable elims were literally himself and HEMIn post 2375, Titus wrote:He can change his mind. He never votes a townread but for like hammer to stop no lim and I don't even recall him doing that.
he has zero thread influence - nobody is listening to him.
would he really prefer himself to be eliminated over his townread ??
bussing there would mess with optics, especially if there was someone to avidly defend Math<Embrace The Void>
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fr?In post 2407, MathBlade wrote: Gamma town I don’t see any scumminess in their posts<Embrace The Void>
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so during D1 you SR me because you found nothing towny about meIn post 1250, MathBlade wrote:
Because I don’t tr him yetIn post 1247, Roden wrote:Why do you scum read Gamma?
It’s hard to explain a negative
now you TR me because you find nothing scummy about me
why shouldn't you be turboyeeted for being caught red-handed in BS reads?<Embrace The Void>
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p sure that selection comes during the number selection, not role selectionIn post 2445, Dwlee99 wrote:Would scum picking informed imply they didn't get a good draft?<Embrace The Void>
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btw if anyone wants to try and explain THIS away, be my guest!In post 2446, Gamma Emerald wrote:
so during D1 you SR me because you found nothing towny about meIn post 1250, MathBlade wrote:
Because I don’t tr him yetIn post 1247, Roden wrote:Why do you scum read Gamma?
It’s hard to explain a negative
now you TR me because you find nothing scummy about me
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In post 2559, implosion wrote:
I think this is not true based on my one experience with scum!Math.In post 2557, Aristeia wrote:if the scum team is math+enchant i doubt math spends that much time screaming in the thread becuz he knows a lost cause when he sees one<Embrace The Void>
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That’s not how JK works???In post 2569, MathBlade wrote:What’s really odd is Enchant crumbed reads here that they cop checked me
That’s impossible if I was jailkept
Enchant would get no result
How have you played as long as you have and you got that wrong?<Embrace The Void>
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You’re kinda rightIn post 2592, MathBlade wrote:
Like you and Ari say thatIn post 2591, Harley Quinn wrote:
You were uberscummy on d1, which is why I was so convinced you were scum. When you have time, you might want to reread my case on you, so you can hopefully avoid doing that in the future.In post 2288, MathBlade wrote:
I am not though.In post 2283, Aristeia wrote:
they're attacking you because you're scummy not because they're scum -_-In post 2273, MathBlade wrote:Coordinated attack on me. Titus + A day play fits.
I am frustrating and annoying but I am not scummy.
They aren’t arguing that I am though.
That’s the crux as to why they are scum.
But I don’t think I was
I have rethought about my play and the only remotely possible scummy thing is going against popular opinion.
But that isn’t scummy
Like I don’t get what is scummy?
You are probably scummy for going against popular opinion but it actually felt like it happened in a scummy way<Embrace The Void>
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uhhhIn post 2631, MathBlade wrote:
I am insisting on enchant confirming me as town or not today.In post 2629, Titus wrote:If you insist, I'll make it painless as I can.
Then, I'll nail implo and StD if you're town.
If you're scum, I'm still getting Ari.
Then tomorrow no you will not push Ari ffs
She’s like top tier town like fuck Titus<Embrace The Void>
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I guessed as much
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It makes perfect sense as top pick?In post 2724, Aristeia wrote:
could still be that scum shot into a doctor protectionIn post 2719, Titus wrote:Ari, if you think Math is town, then Enchant is almost certainly town as scum don't kill themselves.
Can we just lim Implosion together, mute Math and go on?
Hopefully a vig handles Math.
i just cant handle town picking bulletproof over ascetic cop its too ridiculous for me
You talked a big game about Enchant eating a billet or getting policied, now there’s no conflict, so what’s the problem?
Starting to think Titus is right about you.<Embrace The Void>
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How do we know we have doc/rb? Did someone claim to have picked that pair?In post 2741, Aristeia wrote:
by definition we have a doctor or roleblockerIn post 2736, MathBlade wrote:
MaybeIn post 2732, Aristeia wrote:like are we ever going to get to the point where we trust enchant to endgame?
But we can sort Enchant when mass claim happens too
If no doctor has flipped or claimed then Enchant has to be town
no roleblocker has claimed
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Go back and reread your posts D1 then tell me picking BP in enchant’s position is nonsensicalIn post 2750, Aristeia wrote:there is literally no reason to pick bulletproof over ascetic cop
it is so so so bad
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The problem with your argument is that it isn’t the same as Ari’s. She is ignoring BP and saying one of doc/rb MUST exist. That feels informed.In post 2786, MathBlade wrote:
We will when I flip townIn post 2785, Gamma Emerald wrote:
How do we know we have doc/rb? Did someone claim to have picked that pair?In post 2741, Aristeia wrote:
by definition we have a doctor or roleblockerIn post 2736, MathBlade wrote:
MaybeIn post 2732, Aristeia wrote:like are we ever going to get to the point where we trust enchant to endgame?
But we can sort Enchant when mass claim happens too
If no doctor has flipped or claimed then Enchant has to be town
no roleblocker has claimed
therefore we have a doctor
Because no kills today
Either enchant is town and shot
Or
Doctor exists
Because RB had plenty of time to claim guilty and didn’t probably scum aligned if it exists<Embrace The Void>
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This.In post 2768, Enchant wrote:Just elim second scum and spam tracker/jailkeeps on me for funnies before i turn in confirmed immortal god of nothing.<Embrace The Void>
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SOAKING A NIGHTKILL IS 100% A GOOD THING FOR TOWNIn post 2791, Aristeia wrote:id rather pick vanilla townie than bullet proof in slot 1 as town because you soak a nightkill and cop goes somewhere else
bulletproof is such a bad pick<Embrace The Void>
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Flip another scumIn post 2795, Aristeia wrote:like town is literally in a better position with enchant dead as a town ascetic cop than alive as town bulletproof because we r never getting to the point where we can trust enchant
JK enchant repeatedly at least until a scum kill happens
If we get down to about 6 players without any kills by scum that ENTIRE time, then we vote enchant out
Where’s the issue?<Embrace The Void>
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I think half based on draft order and half based on consensus reads might workIn post 2858, Harley Quinn wrote:
Oh so that’s why, still bad idea. The claim order should be based on consensus trs first etc.In post 2850, implosion wrote:for a second i was trying to cross reference titus's order with the player list instead of the actual draft order and i was about to cry havoc lol
Dwlee should go last and me anf Gamma be 3rd or 2nd last.
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I'm thinking the PR/VT claim order can be the reverse draft list and the full claims can be based on consensus readsIn post 2867, Titus wrote:Even then, a VT can say there's scum in the slots above me because X wasn't claimed.
thoughts?<Embrace The Void>
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this also is a decent pointIn post 2868, MathBlade wrote:I can’t calculate that at work
I think that I would prefer both bottom up I think.
That way the bottom have to claim the specific PR first
Then if upper has that PR it’s a definite CC and the CCer is more likely truth telling
The way you have it enables the specific PR claimers to pick from leftovers<Embrace The Void>
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idk if it was the case when you clarified for math but he said his pick was vengeful and he didn't get itIn post 2888, Save The Dragons wrote:why wouldn't i just claim N3 vig
that means it's known to be someone else if it's not you, so faking it would be foolish<Embrace The Void>
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alrightIn post 2904, Titus wrote:
Not ideal but still works as long as VTs keep their mouths shut about categories until all PRs have claimed.In post 2900, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I'm thinking the PR/VT claim order can be the reverse draft list and the full claims can be based on consensus readsIn post 2867, Titus wrote:Even then, a VT can say there's scum in the slots above me because X wasn't claimed.
thoughts?
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me and harley are consensus TRs rn so we'd at least be at the endIn post 2926, MathBlade wrote:
Nah everyone or no oneIn post 2925, Harley Quinn wrote:We should have nonconsensus slots claim and then PRs can cc them if they’re lying. I don’t see how that’s not the best outcome for town? Don’t put tprs in possible danger and only if nonconsensus trs lie, then cc.
Consensus list is no one atm.
Consensus would just be people who screamed the loudest
I think implosion is suspected enough to go earlier in a consensus order<Embrace The Void>
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it's a wild theory by math based on him picking that and not getting itIn post 2933, Enchant wrote:Where intel that i am vengeful fakeclaiming comed from?<Embrace The Void>
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it's a limited lifespan claim tho
bulletproof gets yeeted a lot, why make such a bad claim? Scum have 1 fakeclaim to work with unless the incredibly-slim possibility that all 8 pairs were selected by someone<Embrace The Void>
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this is my favorite readlist in any game everIn post 3005, Save The Dragons wrote:implosion
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bigger size is how much i townread them<Embrace The Void>
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:/In post 3008, Wallflower wrote:not really but it was worth a try<Embrace The Void>
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this is why I SR AriIn post 3033, MathBlade wrote:
He’s the one who got shot when I flip town unless a doctor exists.In post 3030, Aristeia wrote:I do not see a single reason why anyone should be townreading Enchant on play or mech
There is no guarantee of that.
If a doc flips green then Enchant scum can be considered not before
her argument that there must be a doc/rb are basically forced to happen because it's the only way her reads track at all<Embrace The Void>
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no your mech is wrongIn post 3038, Aristeia wrote:
your mech is just wrong sorryIn post 3035, MathBlade wrote:
Because if a doctor isn’t flipped and green (not enough just to claim) then the most likely answer is scum shot Enchant.In post 3031, Aristeia wrote:
we have 10 Town Players one of them picked doctorIn post 3029, MathBlade wrote:That condition works for Ari because doc stays hidden
It works for everyone not wanting pass claim
And if scum Enchant (which I think is false) kills a town doctor, scum enchant loses inno.
why the !@#$ do we need a doctor to out to kill Enchant I have no clue
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scum ascetic cop can't get guiltied by tracker, can't get roleblockedIn post 3072, Aristeia wrote:it is so so so so so scumsiding to pick bulletproof instead of ascetic i cant believe you guys are seriously considering letting Enchant get away with this
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bulletproof if conf town is an assured town slot in any endgame scenarioIn post 3086, MathBlade wrote:
Nope I don’t treat it as a scum claim people act differentlyIn post 3082, Aristeia wrote:
Pick #1 going for Bulletproof over Ascetic Cop is terrible town play and should be treated as a scum claim.In post 3075, Gamma Emerald wrote:
scum ascetic cop can't get guiltied by tracker, can't get roleblockedIn post 3072, Aristeia wrote:it is so so so so so scumsiding to pick bulletproof instead of ascetic i cant believe you guys are seriously considering letting Enchant get away with this
there's scum utility in picking that as well
You are literally denying the town a cop for to soak maybe one nightkill if you can get townread[WHICH HE DIDNT EVEN TRY TO DO SO WHAT ARE WE ARGUING ABOUT]
he literally entered today trying to pretend he was an ascetic cop and softing an inno on MB and then changed his mind when MB was a viable elimination.
How much more blatant of a mafia-play do you need here??
If Enchant is Ascetic Roden will see it
Doc on Roden if it exists
Problem solved.
Denying town cop for an unlimmable conf town is a fair trade imho
so yeah, Ari arguing to vote out Enchant now, before he's had a chance to get confirmed, is really fucking sus.<Embrace The Void>
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unless you're doctor you have no way of knowing this as town, and if you are doctor what the fuck are lecturing me for softing not-doc/rb when you're basically doing the same?In post 3092, Aristeia wrote:not true there is probably a doctor<Embrace The Void>
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I already fucking explained how several pages ago. No I'm not repeating it, go read it for yourself!In post 3095, Aristeia wrote:
there is literally no way to confirm enchant what r u talking aboutIn post 3093, Gamma Emerald wrote:bulletproof if conf town is an assured town slot in any endgame scenario
so yeah, Ari arguing to vote out Enchant now, before he's had a chance to get confirmed, is really fucking sus.<Embrace The Void>
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ehIn post 3100, Aristeia wrote:
oh you mean i can't have picked doctor/roleblocker and not gotten it?In post 3097, Gamma Emerald wrote:
unless you're doctor you have no way of knowing this as town, and if you are doctor what the fuck are lecturing me for softing not-doc/rb when you're basically doing the same?In post 3092, Aristeia wrote:not true there is probably a doctor
still think your argument here stinks<Embrace The Void>
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