Open 856: Deputy cultists (Game over)

[Bellaphant]

First.

VOTE: cat jpeg I have to be right once!

[Bellaphant]

Sucks to be the 20% but the needs of the many...

No, for reals though, isn't that really boring?

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? I don't understand, enchant? Unless you mean mafia is, by definition, boring!

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I want to ask why to both of the above posts. Although tbf I am town reading cat for bad reasons.

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It's not a why not question, I'm just really bad at mech/set up. I'm pretty sure this is my first cult game, although I might've done a marathon ones years ago.

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@nathaan, they made me laugh with their opening to enchant. I tend to find town are more relaxed and making me laugh has tended town before - cat was in a game recently where one of my reasons for scum reading someone was they made me laugh when we were both town but not that game.

[Bellaphant]

? Didn't/ don't they have the same votes on them as korina does?

I don't understand anything so far.

[Bellaphant]

You got put at E-2 on page 1.

? Didn't/ don't they have the same votes on them as korina does?

I don't understand anything so far.

I asked the same question but about korina - or had you counted to 11 by then?

[Bellaphant]

Hi korina, what's the meme? I assume you play cult games a lot? Furtive is pretty new, would they know?

[Bellaphant]

...sorry, it's early here. I think my last question still stands though?

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How much have you played cult, enchan?

I'd still like korina to answer about furtive.

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Why? It seems like korina plays cult a lot? Why wouldn't they just be...right?

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? I know very little about this set up, that's what I'm saying - korinas whole thing seems to be that they do. I'm finding it weird that you think they are confirmed cult for adding their experience. Which is more than yours or mine.

[Bellaphant]

114 is such a bad take on the situation.

Also, cat.jpeg is probably town. The vote on her is bad - I cousktn understand the set up stuff when enchant and korina were talking, but what cat says actually makes sense? Like, she's the least scummy of the three 'set up' talkers.

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: nathaan

I don't see any of the posts on this page coming from a genuine response.

[Bellaphant]

I think Korina is a non-Leader Cultist. Their entrance into this game feels designed to get people angry and to vote them over it. It feels inflammatory for the sake of it. And since I feel like Korina is a better Scum player than that and wouldn't make such a stupid error, AND that they would realize it's in Cult's favour to kill non-Leader Cultists since then they can convert more.

And I'm vaguely reading Bellaphant as not aligned with Korina, so there's that.

RH9 is still my best bet for Cult Leader. His posts feel like he's genuinely trying to uphold a thread presence, but he's not actually saying anything helpful or Townie.

I don't get any of this? Korina is posting from their pov of someone who seems to love cults, but both enchant (who basically says they have no experience) and nathaan are both scum reading them for it..rh9 also feels like a weird person to pick out, over other low content posterrs?

Does anyone (other than Korina) have thoughts on whether furtiveglance's 64 is Townie or Scummy? It feels like a post I

should

have an opinion on, but I can't quite make it out.

I can't be the only one who thinks this post is really temperature sweepy?

If it's genuine, then I agree with Jacket that he's probably Town.
If it's sarcastic, then I'm not sure if it's AI. I want to say it's Scummy for ignoring my questioning and cutting the conversation short, but I've been wrong on reads like that too many times.

He's misreading the tone of furtive so much, but then again walking back the read. None of it feels like content they are massively behind.

Re my other post , maybe I just can't read enchant? I feel worse about nathaan shading korina and cat in a way that feels based on enchant, if that makes sense.

[Bellaphant]

I think they were cross about a policy elim/meme, not the votes themselves? Idek, there's clearly context here that they think people know but I don't.

Fair. Can you expand on it a bit? Honestly I've not noticed then produce anything and have lumped them with Titus/bbt

It's not scummy on its own, but the third time in four posts feels very hedgey.

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UNVOTE:

In not sure I agree with what you are saying about korina but it seems a genuine thought process from you, if that makes sense? I'd also like korina to explain more about it, independent of this convo.

Yeah, I probably should have done that already

I've read quite a few of furtives newbie games but never played with them. I seem to remember them getting read for things I would consider 'tone' a lot.

[Bellaphant]

@jacket, nathaan was only linking the three because I'd said they were linked in my mind. He's right, though, when I read back.

You are wrong about cat as well I think. Cat made the most sense the most quickly, I said it and bbt. Yeah,, cat doesn't have a huge amount of other content but it was the best in terms of actually explaining.

P-edit bbt making sense.

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Bbt, I tried this tack of discussion with enchant and didn't get massively far either. I found them vaguely scummy for it this morning but think I was possibly just getting frustrated.

P-edit I'm not voting for cat, furtives, I said she seemed town! Nathaan is...fine and I can see their scum read on rh9. I can't work out what to think about korina but think naarhan might be right in that too, which is why this bbt thing is so odd to me.

Also, this stood out - where did you get the idea that Enchant was widely town read?

[Bellaphant]

@furtive, did you miss this? -
Also, this stood out - where did you get the idea that Enchant was widely town read?

@beat, can you explain your reads a bit?

@nathann, sorry! It's not personal

[Bellaphant]

@jacket, I think you and bbt is probably t v t, I thought enchant was getting townier before the claim, nathaan is probably town, and then I'm not sure.

In terms of content, Titus is lacking severely, but I kind of vibe with what Nathann was saying about rh9. I feel similarly about beat as well - they are posting but I forget them

[Bellaphant]

@bbt, I couldn't see a huge amount of scum motivation for either side of the convo? I agreed more with your take but like, it's a fine read for day one. If enchant had engaged me more I could see me getting into a similar conversation.

[Bellaphant]

Bbt, it's a day one read. I'm also struggling for other actual town reads - like, it's you, cat and nathaan? Jacket's right about people being passive, I've put questions out that people aren't even responding To.

[Bellaphant]

Like, I don't understand why the game feels so unengaged - we had a lot of set up spec, then korina had a tantrum, you came in and we had some actual read generating content, (same with Nathann), then a few people have chuxked out reads they don't really want to talk about? This should be easier than it is - I feel like a lot of this should be Poe to find cult leader? Or are people being cautious to avoid hitting the deputies?

Set up wise I don't know what's ''optimal', I definitely rely on other people for that but there's been a fair amount of disagreement and then Titus, who is normally good at this kind of thing, isnt really here.

I'd rather we just played.

[Bellaphant]

I still think nathann is town.

So, our best strategy is to ignore the cc right now? As elim-ing a depury gives scum a recruit if we are wrong? I need someone to explain like im five.

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Yeah, that's what I thought. But what's optimal?

Not in terms of claims, like I clearly am not that girl, but in terms of scum hunting - coz surely the non leader cultists almost want to be elimed, so that recruit can happen?

So we are looking for someone scummy but not too scum y? Even though in a normal game it's maybe worth elim-ing like...korina, as they could well be 'scum'? Or not? In trying to work out how associatives work too.

@enchant, can you explain more about cultists making the leader look good?

@beat, cool, I've asked you to explain your reads twice already. I work a lot better 1 on 1, so please chat things through with me.

[Bellaphant]

Tbf I'd love a bit more pressure and engagement but what you've basically described is bella playing mafia, especially on day one. Titus, bbt and cat can probably confirm.

Is there anything specific you want to ask me about/discuss?

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: beat

Out tonight, around tomorrow.

P-edit something about the beat/rh9 interactions are weird.

[Bellaphant]

Bbt, there was just something in the theory talk between them that really didn't seem to flow - it seemed like one of them would say something and the other would just be like... sure! Compared to some heat cat got, or how confused enchant made me at the start of the game with mech talk, it just felt informed? In my newbie with cat recently there was a chat between her and goldfish that I hated - goldfish ended up replacing out and I ended up scum reading cat - but the scum was the goldfish slot.

Part of it might be the softs, but I'm not sure it's all of it.

Did you want me to talk more about cat? I basically scum read them early gamw for a lot of things I used to/still do get scum read for, which is basically being non offensive, and I was wrong. They, Ans Titus, were more active than this though. I think if we are going to elim in the quiet slots then Titus is it for me.

[Bellaphant]

I also find your push on nathaan and me weird. Like, you've decided that cult 'play like x' but I think nathaan is townie, then you've shoved me in the same slots as korina and Titus who've posted a lot less content than me. Like, there's a solid 5ish players that have between 30-41 posts, and then only you above that.

I think you might be jumping at shadows? I don't think scum leader bbt has this many casual bad takes.

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@beat, that just seems like a lot of associations before a flip. Or that you've just got through three Isos and added a quote whenever we mention each others name -;there's no analysis of what's happening. Cats has just said they town read me and Nathann has told me the pro town thing to do is vote him! Also, even though I'm confused as to why Nathann being town is controversial, would scum (especially cl!Bella) just ride on others' scum read of him? If I'm cult and he's town, great - he is dead and might venge another town! If he's cult, cult get another recruit!

I'll take another look at cat.

P-edit maybe not.

[Bellaphant]

...cat made a few vaguely town theory posts in a row and then voted one if her three townread?

Also, I re read korina and I'm now pretty sure there is nothing ia in their play.

P-edit at beat ??? From cat maybe, but not me - I've been saying since page one that I'm shit at mech. I think uts why I've given town points to cat and korina who were explaining in ways I could vibe with, but maybe wrongly

[Bellaphant]

I'm around if you want to talk? Think we've been missing each other.

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: cat

[Bellaphant]

Does anyone have any experience with furtives? I go from thinking they are town to scum about every three posts they make.

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I'm a bit frustrated? People aren't doing the things I expect - I didn't expect town!cat to vote me, I didn't expect korina to self vote again, they also seemed to accuse enchant of slipping late yesterday, which ??, we just curb stomped a game with Titus using mech, beat seems to scum read me for three reasons, - me playing to my meta (I know, meta everything), my associations with cat (who was town) and my mech posts, which didn't happen?

Out of the scum claims, by play I do believe jackets less: I think rh9 now is just obviously town and I did get a lot out of my interaction with Nathann. People have said that 'would cult claim first ' but if it gives them a basically free ride, why wouldn't they? Someone said (sorry, still sick) that flipping in the claims might actually be positive utility?

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I kinda felt these were unpopular takes yesterday though? Like, I had two town reads (and you) and then you plus others seemed confident that there was scum in literally my two town resds. I'm a bit paranoid now that you are mostly agreeing with me!

My gut says scum read beat, but I don't know if cult leader would have such obviously wrong bad takes? Cult buddy maybe, but that's not really helpful. Like I've been cult leader for them since page 8, with two different teams!

@furtive, where's your head at? What do you think about beat/me/rh9?

[Bellaphant]

@enchant, is there any time when that changes? Because otherwise, as bbt said, there is definitely a possibility that cl could just be hiding.

I think it would be helpful if everyone shared their more general reads.
Enchant
Rh9
Nathann
Bbt
Gap
Furtive
Titus
Korina
Beat
Jacket

[Bellaphant]

Has anyone been reading the vca game thread in mafia discuion? I tend to be about 50/50 at it, but some people are brilliant. There's what, 1-2 'scum' on cats wagon? The only one that stands out as weird is the korina vote.

I'd really like furtive to respond to me and for them, enchant, Titus and korina to discus reads

[Bellaphant]

Titus, furtive And bbt? I think bbt is probably town, although I'm tin hatty around their interactions with me.

[Bellaphant]

@korina, that's the second time you've implied you could cc enchant, can you?

I don't think furtive and korina are aligned.

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Only if we kill a deputy. Ugh, this also makes me worry that the cl is in that pile, as the best thing for us to do is avoid them. Also, it cl is in the three venge, then we have a surprisingly high chance of hitting a deputy outside.

I need someone better at maths to run some probability

[Bellaphant]

Ok, so we elim in the 'venge':

1/3 chance of a buddy/cl
2/3 chance of a venge

Venge has three options - shoots in venge claims ( either other venge, cl or buddy), shoots randomly (4/7 chance of cl).

We elim 'randomly' it's like 1/5, but also a 1/5 chance of hitting the deptuy?

That maths probably isn't right.

[Bellaphant]

Rh9, any reads?

[Bellaphant]

Why not? Looks like their odds are better?

[Bellaphant]

@mod, Nathann needs a prod

[Bellaphant]

I did some shit maths, we are closer to elo than we think because of the governor, korina and furtive probably aren't aligned. Beat still probably has their page 8 scum read on me.

[Bellaphant]

Oh no, I could tell enchant was joking!

[Bellaphant]

If rather not u til the vla is over

[Bellaphant]

@mod, can you prod jacket too?

[Bellaphant]

We have like a 1/6 chance if just hitting cl by random voting in our non claims? Like, a 1/6 chance of hitting the other buddy but I'm going to rural France on Sunday and a 17% chance of this game ending seems legit

[Bellaphant]

Mostly joking. But 99% sure there has to be 'scum' in the Titus/furtive/korina group.

[Bellaphant]

Yeah, I think maybe Nathann was right at the start and I was wrong.

The thing is Im also worried I accepted bbt's 'beat isn't scum' a bit easily.

[Bellaphant]

This is mostly a page of me and rh9 talking .shall we start some #scum theatre or something to liven things up? I'll go first - I think you agree with a lot of people and I'm told that's typical cult leader behaviour!!!

P-edit, I just think it's weird they stuck on a read on page 8, have basically not engaged in one on one with me at all and just...eh? I might be a bit omgus but that doesn't change the 'facts'.

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It may be a playstyle thing? I feel I've also tried to start convos with furtive and not had much input from them/impetus towards me. At least korina tells me my maths is wrong, or whatever. It doesn't feel very sort-y

[Bellaphant]

I tin hatted about you earlier, that was fun!

[Bellaphant]

Bbt wants to elim people..bbt changed his mind about Nathann.. bbt is a bit cot on his read on you.

....none of these things are actually scummy, right? Like, maybe the first one, but we do actually need to elim cl to win! Even hitting a deputy would give info, which is what we don't have with the game being nightless.

[Bellaphant]

Do we need to think about cl v deptuy? Because if we don't hit cl today, we can't hit deputy tomorrow, or its auto loss yes?

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: titus

Rh9, I don't know, it's giving me different vibes to korina who are times felt they wanted to be elimed. This could equally just be 'cl is hard ' Titus.

[Bellaphant]

I'm losing faith in the elim in cc anyway, so yeah.

[Bellaphant]

I mean the only person outside of the claims who most people are town reading literally seems to be bbt, which I'm just not here for?

I'm a bit confused by titus' post. We literally just talked in our previous game about the fact we didn't have much experience together, and there they were town and played the mech so hard we won.

I'd really like to hear some reads from within the claims (well, nathaan and jacket I guess, rh9 has been super forthcoming):, we know 2/3 come from town.

[Bellaphant]

furtive should have been yesterday's lim.

Titus was a terrible lim.

That said i think neither are cl

? If furtive isn't cl he's buddy and if we elim him we lose, right?

I don't know, i don't think the slot is as widely town read as some people are suggesting that cl should be. Their posts have always hovered around the null line.

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Also, if I ever play cult again and role cl, I'm playing like jacket. It's refuge in audacity, isn't it. Be so scummy that you couldn't be the right kind of scum

P-edit I briefly moved beat up from my scum pile but then put them back when I realised they still hadnt spoken to me to sort me after scum binning me on page eight.

[Bellaphant]

Cult wins if, basically, they elim enough vt and have at least one prime recruit, yes? If the vibe of a town is never to elim in the venge, then it's actually fairly easy: you've got a 2/7 chance of town hitting prime in the vt claims. Plus, everyone knows you are 'scum', so you can't be cl.

It's high risk high reward isn't it.

Jacket being scum of some sort isn't news though, I was happy with this on day one. It narrows down a Poe but then you still have to hit the right scum . It also depends on the combinations, as to how cults interacted and who's more likely to be leader.

Beat/jacket/furtive probably beat (more widely town read, but not getting attention)
Korina/jacket/furtive - probably jacket (makes korina v furtive scum theatre, korina loud voice against elim-ing 'in the claims ', disinterested actively enough to get elimed and get a recuit)

Or then like....beat/bbt/jacket ...who the fuck knows where cult leader is in that. Not jacket?

Does what I'm saying make sense? I think it's why I'm in a knot - I don't have a definitive 'cl' at this point because I think 'good' cl play looks very different in different combos.

P-edit can you rephrase the sentence after 'cirus director....' enchant? I can't follow, but it is 3am

[Bellaphant]

I think beat still thinks me, that fun take from 23 pages ago ...

[Bellaphant]

Catjpeg was a last minute scramble at deadline, people voted even after the hammer was in. You passing it off as a normal wagon is just really Sus.

I've been fairly straightforward with my play - I've got townreads, I sorted the vig claims, I argued for takes that weren't popular at the end of day one (would cl bother?). I'm not sure what you want from me? Because you won't make a case, and when you did actually make some points against me, 2/3 of them were invalid (me, cat and Nathann clearly aren't a scum team, and the theory posts that were so scummy weren't mine )

What have / you/ done apart from sit on a read for 23 pages and talk theory? Show me you try to sort ...I was going to say me, but anyone will do.

[Bellaphant]

Have you read a single game of mine? I've played with bbt, I've read furtive before, I actively went and read rh9 in a game when I was muddled about whether his agreeableness was cult-y. I've just played in three newbies. I'd link you to a scum game but I haven't had one in literal years.

[Bellaphant]

I think I'd be more happy with the conf bias coming from town if it had a bit more... analysis around it? Or even interaction with me. I know I've said this, but furtive and beat barely talk to me, like they don't need to solve.

I

[Bellaphant]

I don't want to be stuck in omgus you suck but also, it just feels really safe for cl to stick on one thing.

[Bellaphant]

I can see them with jacket though?

[Bellaphant]

@mod, jacket needs a prod.

[Bellaphant]

Can you expand bbt?

[Bellaphant]

? Of course scum aren't going to vote cult leader, what kind of a stupid trick question is that? How on earth is that anything to do with me?

How is how I'm playing any different from rh9? In fact, on your rubric, I'd say they fit better. And the are obv town.

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: beat

That felt weirdly defeated.

[Bellaphant]

UNVOTE:

Is this ok? Realise If we are wrong, cult could hammer

[Bellaphant]

I think bbt!scum looks like paranoia. I have questioned you,. I talked about tin hat about you. The only person in 100% sure on is rh9.

[Bellaphant]

Sorry, should've been feels, there was lots of wine.

I know it's a bit weak but you don't feel like you felt in the game that just finished - you came in, aggressively town read me, like...really obviously, you sheeped two of my votes in a row, but then you also did very incongruent things like randomly say 'yeah, I could wagon bella', or call my vca that you knew was the thing that sealed my mind shit.

The things that have felt a little the same have been around what I said about the tin hat - you seem more lost than I'd expect, and your struggle to find town is unusual. Actually, it would really help if you could expand.a bit on that? Because I feel like I've sort of got the opposite problen - I've found some town and even one scum, but I still don't know the 'right' next move.

[Bellaphant]

Sorry, should've been feels, there was lots of wine.

I know it's a bit weak but you don't feel like you felt in the game that just finished - you came in, aggressively town read me, like...really obviously, you sheeped two of my votes in a row, but then you also did very incongruent things like randomly say 'yeah, I could wagon bella', or call my vca that you knew was the thing that sealed my mind shit.

The things that have felt a little the same have been around what I said about the tin hat - you seem more lost than I'd expect, and your struggle to find town is unusual. Actually, it would really help if you could expand.a bit on that? Because I feel like I've sort of got the opposite problen - I've found some town and even one scum, but I still don't know the 'right' next move.

[Bellaphant]

Sorry, should've been feels, there was lots of wine.

I know it's a bit weak but you don't feel like you felt in the game that just finished - you came in, aggressively town read me, like...really obviously, you sheeped two of my votes in a row, but then you also did very incongruent things like randomly say 'yeah, I could wagon bella', or call my vca that you knew was the thing that sealed my mind shit.

The things that have felt a little the same have been around what I said about the tin hat - you seem more lost than I'd expect, and your struggle to find town is unusual. Actually, it would really help if you could expand.a bit on that? Because I feel like I've sort of got the opposite problen - I've found some town and even one scum, but I still don't know the 'right' next move.

[Bellaphant]

Also , I was just thinking, well maybe it's silly to think that you'd play the same, bit I'd almost expect you to do much different? Get me elimed day one, for example.

[Bellaphant]

Bbt jacket doesn't make much sense, no. I also think jacket/beat does make sense, and bbt/beat is nonsense.

Id like to hear from furtive.

[Bellaphant]

Bbt/beat only makes sense if bbt is cl, for me.

[Bellaphant]

Can you answer bbts question, furtive?

[Bellaphant]

The only thing that sticks out to me about furtives case is the lack of other votes. If he was buddy, surely it would be much easier to elim him? If it is jacket/beat, then jacket could actually be leader.

I'll wait for Enchant to give their thoughts

[Bellaphant]

Can you expand on your leader/puppet theory Enchant?

[Bellaphant]

Sorry, I'm thick, why do cult want venge to die more than prime?

Is it just body count?

[Bellaphant]

Enchant, your current win condition is to win with town though, yes?

Is that 3 votes a piece?

[Bellaphant]

@mod, korina needs a prod.

I'm happy to vote either of these wagons, btw.

[Bellaphant]

@bbt, why would it lose immediately? You are that sure he's not leader?

[Bellaphant]

Please let it be over! No more cult games for me..

[Bellaphant]

It's taken me this long to realise that governer is not the same as mayor in blood on the clock tower.

I am glad I am not enchant right now!

[Bellaphant]

Oh no, maybe I mean governer? It's a role where you pick between two people? Or you pick a person Ans the either get elimed by majority right then or not for the day.

But goldfish says five to eliminate? I'm even more confused now.


Basically, I had it in my head that enchant got to pick two options, and there was still a vote. Hence 'i don't want to be enchant' when I realised it was wrong!!!

[Bellaphant]

I need to re read a few people in iso. Beat/jacket made sense.

Jacket/furtive/??

[Bellaphant]

I mean, those are my options with you swapped for me.

[Bellaphant]

....

What do we do, work through the vt claims in order if we get it wrong today? Like...korina, furtive, bbt, me? (From my pov, obvs). Assuming that one of us is cl? We're bound to hit at least one buddy, though , and our odds change dramatically.

[Bellaphant]

Is it wifom? They want us to think they are buddy but they are prime?

[Bellaphant]

I mean it's enchants decision today. I get you are frustrated but like...me, rh, Nathann, and enchant are trying?

So cult is the other three. Honestly I could still see jacket as cl but I can't work out why furtive is also arguing that.

Unless furtive thinks it'll make him lim bait himself. I guess once you've commited to it, it'd be really hard for scum to change course.

[Bellaphant]

Imagine Jacket is CL

Realise you could've meant like three different things here, depending on tone. Clarify?

[Bellaphant]

Ah, I think I'd have worded that as 'as'. 'is' just makes it sound like 'i think...'

(Are you from 'the north '?)

[Bellaphant]

If it is korina/jacket/furtive then jacket cl actually makes a weird kind of sense. Ugh.

[Bellaphant]

(I read your posts in an accent! I knew I had this right.)

Tbf it's not our risk. Like I said, I don't wanna be enchant

[Bellaphant]

Bbt is right, if we were wrong on jacket it was auto scum win, it's different now:

[Bellaphant]

I thought it was how bbt said. We are in a better position today then yesterday

[Bellaphant]

They aren't playing any more, really.

[Bellaphant]

@mod, furtive also needs a prod

[Bellaphant]

Wondering whether Furtive actually gives us more info than Jacket

Probably, but is he more likely to be leader?

[Bellaphant]

Korina, the wagon was RVs and most people didn't know about the policy meme. Like, it just didn't happen that way.

[Bellaphant]

^ same, but for 'i keep leading wagons on town' bbt
T

[Bellaphant]

Bbt wants to elim people..bbt changed his mind about Nathann.. bbt is a bit cot on his read on you.

....none of these things are actually scummy, right? Like, maybe the first one, but we do actually need to elim cl to win! Even hitting a deputy would give info, which is what we don't have with the game being nightless.

Should've kept the tin hat on

[Bellaphant]

I'm not that clever!

[Bellaphant]

I don't think I need to. From my pov it can only be you , and as you said the other two make more sense as deputies. I'm happy to respond to others but the game will be massively un fun if we just keep shouting 'no u' at each other.

[Bellaphant]

I've led 3 mislims so if someone else could give it a shot or just fucking do something that would be fantastic

"Looks like a clear set up..."

See, not fun.

P-edit do what? Shout 'no u?'

[Bellaphant]

That post you quoted looks like a clear set up by the way.

[Bellaphant]

Jacket hasn't been interested in anything. Actually I wonder if that explains your frustration with the game...

[Bellaphant]

OK, I guess that makes sense.

When I say I'm struggling for town, I mean I have Nathan, Enchant and RH9 (potentially you) and that's it. I'm struggling to read anyone outside of the conf towns. I don't really understand why either? Maybe it was all the mech talk which I find NAI almost all of the time.

In hindsight it should've been obvious here when you let this explanation pass without shouting that any meta response from me was bad.

[Bellaphant]

6 pages of set up talk made that an incredibly difficult read.

VOTE: Jacket

I'm believe scum are demoralised with all the 'game-solve' talk from earlier.

What is making it worse though is that whoever is town is also similarly disinterested and I don't understand why? Why is nothing happening? Scum should be very easy to spot here with an active town.

There are too many slots playing this game exactly how a CL would; Bella, Titus, Beat and Cat.

That's over a third of the playerlist - if you're town in that list, could you, like, do something?

We got 1 day and 7 hours

Titus hasn't posted in over 2 days

This is a shitshow from town

Will get to this when I can.

Has anything exciting happened yet?

Mass claim killed this game before it ever got started.

Genuinely one of the worst games I've ever played and I don't even care what the result is

I've led 3 mislims so if someone else could give it a shot or just fucking do something that would be fantastic

[Bellaphant]

Jacket hasn't been interested in anything. Actually I wonder if that explains your frustration with the game...

What frustration?

He tells me he not frustrated - he's been frustrated all game, that's what the quotes were. I know he's smart -! At some point I think he could see it would come down to this me him thing. I think jacket claiming early pushed the scum team into a corner and although cult is meant to be swingy, I think bbt knew he was in to a loser quite early.

[Bellaphant]

Other than he has to be, my bullet pointed case is:
His frustration, as outlined above.
He never really raised his head above the parapet to get jacket Elimed, which he needed to do to win, so spent a lot of the game loudly telling people he was lost
Early game 100% supported that jacket's claim was legit
Pushed a bit on me and when I replied with a meta answer, let it be
Led all the town Lims
The 'set up '/self aware posts

I don't think he's prime becaus I think he would've played more recklessly. His whole approach to the game makes more sense if you read it through 'if bbt dies he loses'

[Bellaphant]

He was definitely the one clamouring for then, apart from the cat one I guess.

[Bellaphant]

Furtive, Jacket and Beat seems legit.

Can we please elim Beat now?

Fingers crossed.

Trolling?

This looks very self aware positioning

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: bbt

[Bellaphant]

You and Nathann were obv town though.

[Bellaphant]

Rh9, it's hard because I think bbt did really well - if he didn't have to be scum I'd be struggling to vote him, but knowing what I know some of his actions look very different, if that makes sense?

[Bellaphant]

You don't even have a case on me, though. You managed to prove that furtive's positioning around stuff was Sus - great, everyone knows he's scum I could write more words about why what you've done is scummy in hindsight but it's not really going to change anyone's minds. You did really well overall in a difficult situation but you don't have a case on me and your insistence that people should just follow your 'obvious" solve is both your only way to win and also really scummy.

[Bellaphant]

Maybe you should case me? Instead of pointing to things your scum buddy said about me

[Bellaphant]

@ bbt, genuinely where? I'm looking for something to respond to but I can only see posts about furtive.

[Bellaphant]

I said make a case on me that isn't about the actions of your scum buddy. You literally can't? Furtive being scum isn't news, I keep asking you what I've done that's scumny and you keep pointing at him. Who everyone in the conversation knows their actions aren't organic.

[Bellaphant]

<3

[Bellaphant]

I know!

Everyone played really safe I think, so it was hard for this to be swingy.

[Bellaphant]

I really enjoyed playing with all of you!