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As opposed to not killing Cult today and its suddenly 5:3 nightless with a big asterix next to the clears.In post 27, Not Known 15 wrote:
The cult cannot afford to lose the CL today at all; it is a win in 7 of all 9 setups and a de facto 7:1 Nightless with 1 IC in the JK setups without FN. That's definitely something to look for.In post 24, Roden wrote:That would only be true if we mis-elim today. On the other hand, if we kill the Leader today then town gets like, five more chances to kill the second cultist. So it's a bit swingy.
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Do you usually move your vote this often early on?In post 26, Elements wrote:The vote was because they had no picture.
MegAzumaril gave there lack of picture a mysterious reason.
Now the lack of picture becomes meaningful, undermining my reason to vote.
Hence unvote
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Feels too attention heavy than CLs like to play which isn't really solid but enough for for the time beingIn post 47, Gamma Emerald wrote:why not?Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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The soft discredit here doesn't sit well with meIn post 56, Not Known 15 wrote:
Or purposely doesn't do that to avoid being limmed. Not a reliable reasoning.In post 54, Roden wrote:I agree with the early read on Elements, CL probably just does their best to fade into the background D1.
Do you think this is the way CL would try to be in the open? I feel there are better routes for that.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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Why do you see me as town here?In post 71, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
I can see Meg, I didn’t like Gamma’s vote on you.In post 57, Elements wrote:I think MegAzumarill and Gamma Emerald are just townImprefection is the spice of life.-
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Same goes for elements tbhIn post 78, MegAzumarill wrote:
Why do you see me as town here?In post 71, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
I can see Meg, I didn’t like Gamma’s vote on you.In post 57, Elements wrote:I think MegAzumarill and Gamma Emerald are just townImprefection is the spice of life.-
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More closer to just pure null, I do like some of your post here.In post 106, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
I’m presuming you Null Scum read me?In post 103, MegAzumarill wrote:Drapion looks noncommittal here on read on me but I don't think I'd expect town here to be completely commited.
Still not a fan of itImprefection is the spice of life.-
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Why is gamma below the line?In post 109, Elements wrote:Above The Line
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Not sure if you are serious hereIn post 129, Not Known 15 wrote:
What, really? Ok... it's probably elements and cult leader Drapion then, the hedging is really obvious.In post 126, Elements wrote:I fully disagree with your thoughts on Drapion. I don't think they're hedging anything.
What are your reads so far?Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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I think Gamma is town. This reads as solving much more than aggressive scum to me here.
I think there's a decent chance of scum in Roden/ Not Known. I don't like the way they handeled Gamma's push on Drapion. It felt like trying to stay off the wagon yet fuel it (implication is that Drapion is scum for playing differently than a town game) in Roden's case. In Not Known's case they seem to be on the wagon and supporting it but backing away from being a major voice there or elsewhere.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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A lot of it puts justification to their actions IF they are scum, but it misses WHY they are scum and not town.In post 165, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
What’s off about my push on Gamma exactly?In post 161, MegAzumarill wrote:Drapion feels.... weirdly tunneled here. I don't think scum!drapion does this here in a vacuum (especially CL!drapion), but this push feels too off to me for me to call it town.
Drapion is there some context here I might be missing for your Gamma read?
Do you not think I bring up good points for my push?
Unless I'm missing something it looks like Gamma is scum is the assumption you started with hereImprefection is the spice of life.-
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Elements I think is town. I've been either a fan of their posts so far or feel like they are +town.In post 169, MathBlade wrote:Howdy Reading now.
I am so glad to be town for once.
To that end kinda wanna see where everyone’s head’s at:
Meg: Long time no see. Who is your top town and scum read?
Mala: Is this it? The fabled game where we are both town and alive?
Roden: What are your vibes of the game so far?
Elements: Don’t know you that well. What’s your favorite thing about the game so far?
Campbell: Looks like your a strategy guy. Do you have a plan now or more just thinking mechanics?
Gamma: Nice work in the theme game. Gonna see if you have similar vibes. Any strong reads/feels?
NK15: Got any spicy thoughts? Usually you are good but tend to be drowned out so hope you see this and drop a spicy thought or read.
Biggest scumread is NK15 for the reasons I have mentioned.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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What do you dislike about it? I feel Elements is speaking their mind here and not trying to blend in. It seems pretty genuine but I suppose that's mostly *vibes at this pointIn post 179, MathBlade wrote:
I kinda think maybe Meg (if Elements is scum) as a good CL or Drapion. If Elements is town.In post 54, Roden wrote:I agree with the early read on Elements, CL probably just does their best to fade into the background D1.
I think certain players play scum and therefore different.
Still catching up but I don’t get Meg’s posting re elementsImprefection is the spice of life.-
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Do you disagree with the notion we must be more proactive today for discussion as opposed to a normal mafia game? Do you disagree with my setup analysis here? I don't see how this is possibly fearmongering or even what end it would acheive if it was.In post 188, MathBlade wrote:
.. I very much don’t like this.In post 29, MegAzumarill wrote:
As opposed to not killing Cult today and its suddenly 5:3 nightless with a big asterix next to the clears.In post 27, Not Known 15 wrote:
The cult cannot afford to lose the CL today at all; it is a win in 7 of all 9 setups and a de facto 7:1 Nightless with 1 IC in the JK setups without FN. That's definitely something to look for.In post 24, Roden wrote:That would only be true if we mis-elim today. On the other hand, if we kill the Leader today then town gets like, five more chances to kill the second cultist. So it's a bit swingy.
Very unstable positioning today.
Fear mongering like this tends to stick in people’s minds and is a common trick of scum.
Instead we need positivity.
We have some of the best town hunters in the game.
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In post 185, MathBlade wrote:
This reads informed Drapion is town.In post 103, MegAzumarill wrote:Drapion looks noncommittal here on read on me but I don't think I'd expect town here to be completely commited.
Still not a fan of it
Drapion had weird wording last game I was with him.
I think it’s NAIThese also don't make sense/aren't explained respectively.
Overall this feel really contrivedImprefection is the spice of life.-
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Well the point is to avoid that through being more proactive today? I'm trying to be and I feel that's the logical next step to take with that information. "Mislims are more impactful today" It's the same reason people consider things more in depth in ELO situations.
It feels like it would have the opposite effect than you described, and that was my pointImprefection is the spice of life.-
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1. My point is the informed of drapion part feels weird. Maybe I still don't get you here but the post reads to me like "Your post feels like TMI. I made the same conclusion" which obviously isn't your intent.In post 195, MathBlade wrote:
First post is pretty straightforwardIn post 192, MegAzumarill wrote:In post 185, MathBlade wrote:
This reads informed Drapion is town.In post 103, MegAzumarill wrote:Drapion looks noncommittal here on read on me but I don't think I'd expect town here to be completely commited.
Still not a fan of it
Drapion had weird wording last game I was with him.
I think it’s NAIThese also don't make sense/aren't explained respectively.
Overall this feel really contrived
Gamma’s push on Drapion (and some Roden but mostly Gamma) is about word choice.
I was providing a counter example.
I think it’s NAI
But I don’t scumread anyone on the wagon so I am not like OMG no
The latter is simple
I am a top wagon
Tons of people are inactive yet random dogpile indicates scum
Second vote is usually scum and I already scumread Elements
2. I wasn't voting NK15 for being inactive though? I specifically stated I had gripes with a post they made. Like I didn't vote you but why would I?Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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I'm not being negative? This whole conversation feels very divorced from the original point.In post 196, MathBlade wrote:
Then don’t try. Just be.In post 194, MegAzumarill wrote:Well the point is to avoid that through being more proactive today? I'm trying to be and I feel that's the logical next step to take with that information. "Mislims are more impactful today" It's the same reason people consider things more in depth in ELO situations.
It feels like it would have the opposite effect than you described, and that was my point
Sure we could end up with all town elims and lose but now people are thinking about it.
There’s no reason to be negative right now.
I think people do consider stuff more in-depth in elo
Right now is about social reads though not mechanical ones.
Trying to force continuous elo is sketchy for no good reason.
If we have an elo situation then it can be addressedImprefection is the spice of life.-
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Ima sleep on this catchup but reads scum motivated to me. I don't like how the preflips were handeled some points feel contrived or easy to make as scum. It's very much an entrance to try to make a motion and I don't think that motion favors town
Would not be surprised one bit if it was Math/NK hereImprefection is the spice of life.-
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I'm saying in general it's a scummy thing but in this situation it would be reasonable for town to do it? If both alignments would do it it's by definition NAI. The "not a fan" is saying that I don't townread them for it.In post 199, MathBlade wrote:
Drapion does look noncommittal (agreeing/egging Gamma on)In post 103, MegAzumarill wrote:Drapion looks noncommittal here on read on me but I don't think I'd expect town here to be completely commited.
Still not a fan of it
But I don’t think you’d expect town here to be completely committed
It’s a cognitive dissonance.
If you think he’s scum then you’d just vote Drapion.
But instead you agree and say he’s town for no good reason or say you don’t expect him to be town and don’t vote him
But “not a fan”
It’s hard to tell if you made a grammar issue and meant to say you think Drapion is town (how I took it)
Or you continue to think Drap is scum but then random not a fan and no action
It’s just feels like you know Drapion is town with the inaction.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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In particular this was the preflip I didn't like. Perhaps a bad term for it.In post 201, MathBlade wrote:
Why?In post 200, MegAzumarill wrote:Ima sleep on this catchup but reads scum motivated to me. I don't like how the preflips were handeled some points feel contrived or easy to make as scum. It's very much an entrance to try to make a motion and I don't think that motion favors town
Would not be surprised one bit if it was Math/NK here
What motivation is there?
I am not asking people to vote me.
I already pointed out that you’re too chicken shit to do so.
This says some points are “easy”.
Are they “easy” or confusing?
I don’t have any preflips in my arguments.
I have reads. The closest thing you could say to preflip is if Elements is scum and if elements is town then etc.
That’s just SvT/TVS things people do.By easy I refer to posts like 190 which would be an easy discrepancy to spot from scum you but otherwise I don't have a problem with.
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I want Meg to vote for someone who she scumreads which she hasn’t.
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I think there's a decent chance of scum in Roden/ Not Known. I don't like the way they handeled Gamma's push on Drapion. It felt like trying to stay off the wagon yet fuel it (implication is that Drapion is scum for playing differently than a town game) in Roden's case. In Not Known's case they seem to be on the wagon and supporting it but backing away from being a major voice there or elsewhere.In post 172, MegAzumarill wrote:
Elements I think is town. I've been either a fan of their posts so far or feel like they are +town.In post 169, MathBlade wrote:Howdy Reading now.
I am so glad to be town for once.
To that end kinda wanna see where everyone’s head’s at:
Meg: Long time no see. Who is your top town and scum read?
Mala: Is this it? The fabled game where we are both town and alive?
Roden: What are your vibes of the game so far?
Elements: Don’t know you that well. What’s your favorite thing about the game so far?
Campbell: Looks like your a strategy guy. Do you have a plan now or more just thinking mechanics?
Gamma: Nice work in the theme game. Gonna see if you have similar vibes. Any strong reads/feels?
NK15: Got any spicy thoughts? Usually you are good but tend to be drowned out so hope you see this and drop a spicy thought or read.
Biggest scumread is NK15 for the reasons I have mentioned.In post 175, catboi wrote:Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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EbWOPIn post 232, MegAzumarill wrote:
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I want Meg to vote for someone who she scumreads which she hasn’t.In post 138, MegAzumarill wrote:I think Gamma is town. This reads as solving much more than aggressive scum to me here.
I think there's a decent chance of scum in Roden/ Not Known. I don't like the way they handeled Gamma's push on Drapion. It felt like trying to stay off the wagon yet fuel it (implication is that Drapion is scum for playing differently than a town game) in Roden's case. In Not Known's case they seem to be on the wagon and supporting it but backing away from being a major voice there or elsewhere.In post 172, MegAzumarill wrote:
Elements I think is town. I've been either a fan of their posts so far or feel like they are +town.In post 169, MathBlade wrote:Howdy Reading now.
I am so glad to be town for once.
To that end kinda wanna see where everyone’s head’s at:
Meg: Long time no see. Who is your top town and scum read?
Mala: Is this it? The fabled game where we are both town and alive?
Roden: What are your vibes of the game so far?
Elements: Don’t know you that well. What’s your favorite thing about the game so far?
Campbell: Looks like your a strategy guy. Do you have a plan now or more just thinking mechanics?
Gamma: Nice work in the theme game. Gonna see if you have similar vibes. Any strong reads/feels?
NK15: Got any spicy thoughts? Usually you are good but tend to be drowned out so hope you see this and drop a spicy thought or read.
Biggest scumread is NK15 for the reasons I have mentioned.In post 175, catboi wrote:Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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How many posta has nk15 made since i posted thay push?In post 238, MathBlade wrote:
Then make them.In post 236, MegAzumarill wrote:I'm still waiting on their response to my orignal push on them. Or frankly most people haven't responded to the push yet.
I don't see the value in trying to get them elimmed this moment as compared to after a response
Instead you’re content on me or Drapion wagons which if you’re right on NK15 one has to be wrong.
You’re way too passive
My count is 0
WTF else do you want? That's like the last thing that happened before you showed upImprefection is the spice of life.-
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Are you reading my posts? What makes you think I have the confidence to say that someone is definitely scum? If anything the responses are often more useful to determine alignment than the actual pushes reasons a lot of the time.In post 240, MathBlade wrote:
That’s what town tries to do!In post 237, MegAzumarill wrote:Unless you're asking me to blindy try and cause an elim whenever I have a scumread which I have problems with
Elim scum.
They sure as hell don’t go
“X is scum”
Then ignore it until someone else cares to respond
You sound like you're asking me to willingly detract from the flow of informationImprefection is the spice of life.-
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You literally edited out the part of my post that answered your question of gammaMathBlade wrote:I think there's a decent chance of scum in Roden/ Not Known. I don't like the way they handeled Gamma's push on Drapion. It felt like trying to stay off the wagon yet fuel it (implication is that Drapion is scum for playing differently than a town game) in Roden's case. In Not Known's case they seem to be on the wagon and supporting it but backing away from being a major voice there or elsewhere.
This is not enough to avoid the content in the thread. What do you think of Drapion? of Gamma? of me?Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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No rush to end the dayIn post 254, MathBlade wrote:??? I need to step away. Because now you’re voting me and don’t want me on L-1?
This doesn’t make sense at allImprefection is the spice of life.-
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Not really sure what I'm supposed to do when being majorly misrepped but sureIn post 263, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also, don’t like Meg’a interactions w MathImprefection is the spice of life.-
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It's a clear case of constantly moving the goalposts to justify his reads and thoughts when challenged. It's a clear sign of not having genuine desire to solve.
He spreads explicitly wrong information and tries to manipulate the information in the game, doubling down by obfuscation when pressed.
I can see how you may not see it now, heck took me a while to realize exactly what was irking me about it. Reread the interaction with that in mind, it's purely a charisma fueled wagon.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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Why do you townread Elements? Just because they don't look partnered with gamma?In post 291, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Hmm what If I'm wrong on Meg.
I could see them with Gamma.
Heck I could see everyone with Gamma except for Elements.
I like Elements, they are my top town.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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No that was meIn post 319, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Wasn’t it Math being like “I could see one of Drapion’s voters after Gamma being a wolf”
or am I mistaken?
Then this dude is like “If Meg is town it’s probably Drapion”
Like TF? Like a town doesn’t say it could be so and so voters and then say it’s just them.
I mean I could see Math trying to ML Meg, ML me and then ML Elements or one of my voters that isn’t Gamma.
The dude has a perfect ML setup here.
Could do me a favor and consider the world where Gamma gets vig shot right now and flips town. Who's scum then?Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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I mean it's less confusing more disengenuous.In post 316, MathBlade wrote:I kinda think voting for survival is the wrong play. I could vote Drapion in the case I am wrong on Meg but kinda hedging my bets here.
I think my flip is way more helpful for the gamestate as the only reason that has been brought up is inactivity (now false) and being confusing (standard me) so *shrug*
Also consider your two scumreads are people I know or think fairly strongly are town.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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@DrapionIn post 323, MegAzumarill wrote:
No that was meIn post 319, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Wasn’t it Math being like “I could see one of Drapion’s voters after Gamma being a wolf”
or am I mistaken?
Then this dude is like “If Meg is town it’s probably Drapion”
Like TF? Like a town doesn’t say it could be so and so voters and then say it’s just them.
I mean I could see Math trying to ML Meg, ML me and then ML Elements or one of my voters that isn’t Gamma.
The dude has a perfect ML setup here.
Could do me a favor and consider the world where Gamma gets vig shot right now and flips town. Who's scum then?Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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I don't really see the world where Math plays like he did in his catchup as town though.In post 335, Roden wrote:
Why wouldn't he follow me on Drapion then? If he's CL it would be the best play for him. If I'm wrong on Drapion then it makes me look bad and I can be pushed tomorrow. If I'm right then he has me pocketed.In post 331, MegAzumarill wrote:CL Math has to claim VT here so I don't think the claim is AI
Granted...he would know I'm cautious around him and that I would look out for a potential pocket. If he's scum then he would try to play around me like he has in past games.
If I had one thing I would say concerns me. It's that he isn't trying that hard to convince me to vote with him.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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ISOing drapion looks so much different than in context.
Like it looks like a tunnelled townie until you realize, that's all there is. Basically nothing that doesn't recur to Gamma and the whole ISO is surface level.
It also strikes me as pandered toward me in a way. Following along with my mathblade push when I had been fairly vocal about being neutral overall on drapion. Strikes as trying to win me over almost. Additionally I don't really thinks his Mathblade vote makes sense from a Town!Pov if he really scumreads gamma that much. I don't really buy this as a solve.
I'll suspend some disbelief here on town!Math for now and VOTE: ProfessorDrapion
I mean if mathblade does indeed flip CL i would say you'd look aligned but that's not really what they are saying I guess.Roden wrote:
I think he's just looking worse as the game goes on. He keeps trying to scare people into doing what he wants and talking in a way that's giving tips to the cult in how they should play tonight.In post 345, MegAzumarill wrote:Roden has your read's reasonings on Drapion shifted significantly since the start of the wagon?Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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