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Fredrick A Campbell's First Unofficial Votecount
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Not Known 15 (1): Gamma Emerald(12),.
Elements (1): MegAzumarill (6),
hutmeil (1): Roden(7),
Gamma Emerald (1): Malakittens(8),
ProfessorDrapion (1): Not Known 15(9),
Malakittens (1): Frederick A Campbell(21),
MegAzumarill (0):
Roden (0):
Frederick A Campbell (0):
Not Voting (3): hutmeil(4), ProfessorDrapion(4), Elements(20),
Votes unaccounted for since the last votecount:
Elements (2): Elements(10),
Not Known 15 (2): Elements(15),
With 9 in the jury, it takes 5 to find guilty of conspiracy to murder.
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Are you trying to do anything with this post? Don't elaborate if yes. If no, you should be unable to elaborate.In post 57, Elements wrote:I think MegAzumarill and Gamma Emerald are just town-
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Fredrick A Campbell's Second Unofficial Votecount
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Gamma Emerald (3): Malakittens(8), Elements(48), ProfessorDrapion(55),.
Elements (2): MegAzumarill (6), Gamma Emerald(36),
Roden (1): hutmeil(30),
hutmeil (1): Roden(7),
ProfessorDrapion (1): Not Known 15(9),
MegAzumarill (1): Frederick A Campbell(59),
Malakittens (0):
Not Known 15 (0):
Frederick A Campbell (0):
Not Voting (0):
Votes unaccounted for since the last votecount:
Roden (2): Elements(26),
With 9 in the jury, it takes 5 to find guilty of conspiracy to murder.
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I mind explaining that. Explanation will be typed up in a .txt file.
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and will be produced upon request after a certain period of time has passed.In post 64, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:I mind explaining that. Explanation will be typed up in a .txt file.
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Fredrick A Campbell's Third Unofficial Votecount
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hutmeil (3): Roden(7), Frederick A Campbell(62), Elements(68),.
Gamma Emerald (2): Malakittens(8), ProfessorDrapion(55),
Elements (2): MegAzumarill (6), Gamma Emerald(36),
Roden (1): hutmeil(30),
ProfessorDrapion (1): Not Known 15(9),
MegAzumarill (0):
Malakittens (0):
Not Known 15 (0):
Frederick A Campbell (0):
Not Voting (0):
Votes unaccounted for since the last votecount:
Roden (2): Elements(26),
With 9 in the jury, it takes 5 to find guilty of conspiracy to indoctrinate.
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VOTE: Gamma Emerald
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My interpretation of Gamma Emerald's intent in this post makes me suspicious of Gamma Emerald as well. I'll get back to it another time.
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I don't think Drapion's early game really suggests 伊 is cult leader.In post 301, Not Known 15 wrote:
Not entirely. I have seen other suspicious happenings (Meg and Math); but Drapion is very likely Cult Leader.In post 300, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:Not Known 15, how sure are you that Elements is mafia?
Why do you disagree on Drapion being CL? All of the other suspicious people, Math, Meg and Elements have some defensive/evasive connection to Drapion, and Drapion's early game is CL-indicative.
The other suspicious people you mention I actually don't find suspicious and, except hutmeil Mathblade, haven't found suspicious.-
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I actually don't think Drapion's early game suggests 伊's alignment at all.In post 304, Not Known 15 wrote:
Well, why not?In post 303, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:I don't think Drapion's early game really suggests 伊 is cult leader.-
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But I actually think Drapion's early game suggests ProfessorDrapion is town. I just forgot about that when I made the post I quoted.In post 305, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:
I actually don't think Drapion's early game suggests 伊's alignment at all.In post 304, Not Known 15 wrote:
Well, why not?In post 303, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:I don't think Drapion's early game really suggests 伊 is cult leader.-
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VOTE: Not Known 15
Upon looking at Not Known 15's ISO, Not Known 15 called ProfessorDrapion cult leader in his first post. And what did ProfessorDrapion post before that? One post, post 5. Since then, Not Known 15 has continued to call ProfessorDrapion cult leader.-
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Spoiler: post 457 by Gamma EmeraldIn post 210, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Like you eventually make Meg vote me then what? Your going to try and go onto Roden as well and push on me without actually pushing on me or calling me wolf at all.
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I think for most people in ProfessorDrapion's position, they would place a town player where ProfessorDrapion placed Meg by default and only switch it up if they are being intentional about it.In post 212, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Idk man but if I see Meg vote me and then you start talking to Roden in regards to me I’m voting you instead of Gamma.-
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Spoiler: post 494 by MathBlade
Bold is my interpretation of Roden's post.In post 176, Roden wrote:Oh sweet, I can actually read Math[Roden can read MathBlade]
Vibe of the game so far was that your slot wasn't doing much and seemed frozen.[hutmeil was not doing much and seemed frozen]I scum read Drapion independently of Hutmeil, but I read Hutmeil's inaction as scummier.Meg, Elements, and Gamma all seem pretty townie, not sure on Mala and Fred yet. NK15 is a player that I'm waiting for a meta tell before I settle on a read there.
Why no question/comment for Drapion?[Why didn't you address Drapion in your post?]
Also, I think Roden decided to read you disregarding hutmeil's actions.-
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Well, that was 521 by Not Known 15.In post 527, Roden wrote:Why are there so many blank votes? And what's the case on Elements?-
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Well, the only part I disagree on is that MathBlade being the convert means that Elements is the Cult Leader.In post 553, Not Known 15 wrote:
You seem to have read it. Why don't you agree?In post 552, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:
Well, that was 521 by Not Known 15.In post 527, Roden wrote:Why are there so many blank votes? And what's the case on Elements?-
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I am assuming that ProfessorDrapion was hedging. The past day phase suggests Elements was the cult leader. However, I believe there is as much evidence that Malakittens is the cult leader. As for you, I am starting to think that none of what I am seeing from you is just an act, which was really the last thing that was making me consider you as the cult leader.
This leaves just Malakittens and Elements. Do you have anything to suggest that Malakittens isn't the cult leader?
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Actually, here's something that needs to be thought about before the deadline.
Approximately how many of the players do we need to be certain that Elements is town for us to decide to execute someone other than Elements?
Mechanically, this number is 5 or more as that is the number that will allow all the players to decide to execute a player other than Elements.-
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I am probably not doing this in the next 24 hours as I am a tad-bit busy. We'll see by the time it is tomorrow where I live.In post 732, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:I still think Malakittens is the cult leader. I'll double check the validity of my premises first.-
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I'll be working with the assumption that Not Known 15's claim is accurate.
This makes MathBlade not Cult Leader.
Roden's 213 is actually a very good point. I don't believe Roden would have made that post as Cult Leader.
Currently think MegAzumarill's posts don't tell me whether or not they are Cult Leader.-
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Please unvote. I haven't even thought this through.
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I believe that Malakittens is most likely the Cult Leader. Here's what I will be doing. Looking at every other player and estimating how likely the hypotheses that the player is Cult Leader is.
I propose other players attempt to do the same. The player which is most likely Cult Leader should be the best choice from your perspective.-
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hutmeil was barely around before getting replaced - null
MathBlade in day 1 appeared to attempt to be posting - more likely to come from town
Stopped before MathBlade's 218
Postscript: I am very glad I made myself fulfil my obligations for today a few days ago. I will look at my future obligations to make sure I can continue doing this.-
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Maybe the current team is Malakittens, Not Known 15 and MegAzumarill.
Only a cult member will be this comfortable throwing votes out like this because they know the cult isn't going to step in and quickhammer because they are part of the cult.
In addition to that, the execution of a cult member will automatically lead us to a loss. This suggests that Malakittens isn't the cult leader but just a recruit, while either of Not Known 15 or MegAzumarill is the actual cult leader.
I personally think Not Known 15 is the cult leader as MegAzumarill is just a lot less likely considering 伊's play on day 1.-
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That is the third person pronoun from Hokkien Chinese.In post 907, MathBlade wrote:
Can you please clarify who the symbol refers to?In post 905, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:Maybe the current team is Malakittens, Not Known 15 and MegAzumarill.
Only a cult member will be this comfortable throwing votes out like this because they know the cult isn't going to step in and quickhammer because they are part of the cult.
In addition to that, the execution of a cult member will automatically lead us to a loss. This suggests that Malakittens isn't the cult leader but just a recruit, while either of Not Known 15 or MegAzumarill is the actual cult leader.
I personally think Not Known 15 is the cult leader as MegAzumarill is just a lot less likely considering 伊's play on day 1.
I don’t speak that language
In this case, I was referring to MegAzumarill's play.-
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I didn't think this idea for balancing the setup through very thoroughly, but this is at least the second iteration of the idea.In post 969, catboi wrote:Sveral of the town players were spot on this game, only for them to end up getting sidetracked and on the wrong path after a while. For a minute on Day 2 I thought NK15 was going to absolutely crush this game until he second guessed his Meg read.
The whole cult mechanic makes the game very tricky because the cult leader needs to be eliminated to win, and on day 3 that meant there was only a single correct vote, which is significantly harder than your usual 4:3 ELO. Easy to say from a mod perspective, but the thing thatshouldhave produced more caution was that seemingly everyone was okay with Mala dying, which wouldn't make much sense for the cult as it would basically mean an automatic loss for them. Of course, the selfvote in ELO probably didn't help things.
I think as it is cult mechanics are...very swingy and makes games with them difficult. Starting at 9 players and limiting the number of recruits does make it a little easier to balance. I think there's maybe some potential in adapting cult mechanics to a smalltown type of setup but that would take a lot of brainstorming.
Have the cult have a factional recruiting ability that is available every even night.
Worst case for town:
End of Day 1: 6:2
End of Day 2: 5:2
End of Night 2: 4:3
End of Day 3: Cult Wins
Worst case for cult:
End of Day 1: 7:1
End of Day 2: Town Wins
Normal anti-town faction with factional killing ability with same proportions as this setup as benchmark:
Worst case for town:
End of Day 1: 6:2
End of Night 1: 5:2
End of Day 2: 4:2
End of Night 2: 3:2
End of Day 3: Anti-town wins
Worst case for anti-town faction:
End of Day 1: 7:1
End of Night 1: 6:1
End of Day 2: Town wins
Note: implicit assumption: mountainous setup
My first iteration was to make the recruiting ability factional, but that leads to a very fast victory if town doesn't find any of the cult members for the first two or three day phases.
I would like to point out this second iteration has situations that are worse for the faction which is in their worst case scenario.
I'll leave it to other people to figure out if there is a way to balance it more.-
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