OPEN 868 - Nobility and the Dark Angel | Endgame

[Toto]

HEAL: toto

VOTE: not_mafia

[Toto]

Did nm claim jester on his first post? Is that a DA claim?

[Toto]

Ok, so this is probably hard to implement but I think the theoretical optimal way to play this for town is to pick the top two scum reads as noble+lynch today, and lynch the noble the next day (in case they were not the DA). And repeat the day after (pick a new noble to be lynched the day after).

[Toto]

Ok, so this is probably hard to implement but I think the theoretical optimal way to play this for town is to pick the top two scum reads as noble+lynch today, and lynch the noble the next day (in case they were not the DA). And repeat the day after (pick a new noble to be lynched the day after).

FYI We're not using that l-word any longer.

Makes sense. Im guessing Eliminate the politically correct word now?

[Toto]

lmao

HEAL: enchant

[Toto]

not_mafia and enchant need to go at this point. Fake claiming is anti-town.

[Toto]

they can but they'd deserve it in that case.

[Toto]

There is a good chance one of them is the actual DA wanting to get eliminated too. So Id propose to noble them in turns. And Eliminate them the next day if needed.

[Toto]

also VOTE: porkens

this flips red.

[Toto]

also VOTE: porkens

this flips red.

Please elaborate

They are not scumhunting they are just trying to find who the DA is (which is the only thing mafia don't know this game).

[Toto]

IDK. Spidy senses

[Toto]

DA already claimed.
Keep fishing.

[Toto]

Deal

[Toto]

Wait you want to shoot the DA lol

[Toto]

Yup

[Toto]

Why are you nobilizing me when there are two DA claims? And why are you not scumhunting?

[Toto]

I actually tried didn't work. While not optimal id be ok with your deal but my worry is you’ll shoot one and hidden noble the other. While meme players I would not put it past them to self claim while being the DA. If anyone going to do that its them. And you know that

[Toto]

In any case we’ll Elim you today and leave up to everyone else what to do with nobling. Not sure this argument is going to take us any further at this point.

[Toto]

I guess thats not up to me but not ideal. We’ll need to find your partner and risk losing the actual DA tonight.

[Toto]

I'm hurt.

[Toto]

I am hidden noble

@mod

1/ Can mafia self-select (i.e. pick a member of mafia) as hidden noble?
2/ Can they not select anyone as hidden noble?

[Toto]

BTW giving not_mafia and enchant 4 votes does look like the optimal play for mafia regardless of their alignment. Anyone that reaches 2 votes today can get lolhammered.

So I'd refrain from voting until we get our shit together.

[Toto]

The hidden noble does not appear in the Vote Count.

Wait @Enchant can you vote someone?

[Toto]

IDK, lets agree who we going to noble first and try to find the DA maybe. There is only 10 pages so lacking any other info I'd say the plan to Elim not_mafia still valid. (he has higher than average chance of being mafia given he is not the DA).

[Toto]

They must select someone as a hidden noble.

Cool, so Enchant (unless there is a counterclaim) and Not_Mafia are not the DA, we are not nobling them today.

[Toto]

We have 1/10 chance to win today if we noble the DA.

Not mafia and enchant are not the da. Meaning the chances of them being mafia are 1/11 as opposed to 1/12 for everyone else. More importanly by Elim not-mafia we have a 100% of not elim the DA (who we want to noble and not elim)

So yeah try to find the scummiest person and noble them in hopes they are the DA.

[Toto]

Actually 2/11 and 2/12

[Toto]

We have 1/10 chance to win today if we noble the DA.

Not mafia and enchant are not the da. Meaning the chances of them being mafia are 1/11 as opposed to 1/12 for everyone else.

why you are so horrible at math.

11 people alive. 2 nobled.

1/8 if you exclude self. You are not Dark Angel... Right?

A yeah was confused my mod vote count. Not excluding one-self is debatable since we are all part of the selection pool. But yeah you got the idea.

[Toto]

Ill run some simulations later to verify this

In the mean time HEAL: elmo

[Toto]

I don't have strong scumreads tbh I voted him because elements was voting him, whats your read so far?

[Toto]

Game’s ded

[Toto]

Yeah good point. I really didn't put too much thought in the heal. Just trying to get the game going again. Who do you want to heal/vote?

[Toto]

@mod can the hidden vote from the hidden noble be on a different target than his "normal" vote

@Not_Mafia who is town / who is mafia

I kind of like the Bear for effort and Jukkho so far. Albeit low content and not enough drama yet so hard to give these reads any confidence. Herta is doing

stuff

which for his meta may be towniesh, need to read his previous games more. Everyone else is either trolling or not here.

[Toto]

I currently feel the most suspicious of Elmo and Toto.

Idk if Toto has any experience playing with either you or NM but anyone who does would know both of you troll and not read to much into any of your claims.

~Nancy

I don't remember playing nm but I remember having modded games with them at least. I know they are trolling to a large extent but I disagree with not reading much into their claims. Nm in particular feels more aligned with scum troll than town troll at this point. Idk about the other cow.

[Toto]

I would have picked you for sure. I think not mafia picks you too. You’d pick you. Anyone setting up an elim on me would too. You are essentially an agent of chaos so why wouldn't mafia pick you lol.

[Toto]

Enchant whats your read on the bear?

[Toto]

Interesting choice… Who do you want to noble today?

[Toto]

NM wont be happy about that

Why not elmo though?

[Toto]

Yeah idk this game is hard to read. Do you think he is more likely to be mafia than the DA? What if he is the DA
and we accidentally take him out?

[Toto]

Also whats your read on NM?

[Toto]

Yeah its a good point I've been considering myself too. What should we do with Nm today though? Do you guys think he is readable?

[Toto]

Yeah I don't doubt the latter. But so far he is just trolling and I don’t see him scum-hunting. Usually town nm scumhunts with bad trolly cases but good reads. iIRC

[Toto]

Anyway, why do you scum read elmo?

[Toto]

Hey Herta

[Toto]

Hey Herta

[Toto]

Sorry for double post - whats up? What brings you to this convo?

[Toto]

We are debating whether to kill nm or elmo

[Toto]

Mafia can hidden noble themselves

[Toto]

I tend to agree

[Toto]

Yeah because its not possible that scum killed passanger to raise sus on me. Also how in the hell does this clear nm?

This game is bs. Im going to wait for the hidden noble to claim then vote. Then lurk the fuck away like everyone else.

[Toto]

Also yeah im not the hidden noble

[Toto]

This also pinged me a bit. Why ask this? Were you hoping to maybe push me had Enchant expressed suspicion on me?

Your town read on Enchant seemed a bit weird to me at the time given I was not town reading them. Also Enchant was not really engaging much beyond troll posting so seemed like a good question to ask at the time to get reads out of them.

Also generally your analysis has been a bit black/white which does raise my suspicion on your slot a little bit. You are a hydra too which complicates things a bit in terms of reading you.

[Toto]

You are either not reading, bad at logic, or scum. You can die either way.

Have fun when I flip green.

VOTE: Bear

[Toto]

You don’t get to call my analysis as “black and white” and not address any of my arguments. Fact is that three out of four dead town had you in their PoE: Elements, Passenger and of course, Porkens, so you give me an actually good reason to debunk all of that instead of deflecting it on to me.

What arguments?.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you are town. How do you expect town!toto to respond and "debunk" this.

When I saw passanger dead on day start the first thought that came to mind is probably scum trying to frame me, and well... here you are.

[Toto]

If I’m wrong and you’re actually town here, then give me actual reasons to resscess not this bs.

Your reasons are scum!me shot elements and passenger, can you think of reasons that would happen if I'm town? If so, what do I need to debunk? If not, you are just either bad or scum. You can call it omgus but I call it truth. Truth hurts.

Is it because I was wrong on my scum read on Porkens? What about the other half of town that lolhammered them when I was afk? Do you town read them?

What about yesterday wagon? I was basically afk the entire time. Why do you not scum read Enchant after lolhammering not one but two people? What about not_mafia doing the same?

Basically your case on me is either badly thought out, inconsistent or made up.

[Toto]

K, PBE, I'm going to ignore you. I have already explained and if you can't see it, like I said before, you are either scum or can't be helped. Either way it is a waste of time and blood pressure.

[Toto]

I specifically mean why their reads on you were all wrong.

Cause I'm town.

[Toto]

Also to be precise,

Elements didn't really give much of an argument to vote me so IDK why he was scum reading me and he also voted like half the town.
Porkens thought I was the DA, not mafia.
I believe the reasons from Passanger were "Eh." (paraphrased).

[Toto]

I continue to be town though.

[Toto]

Nah. I’m town. Watching the bear flail was fun though.

[Toto]

HEAL: herta

[Toto]

Noice

[Toto]

Yeah they can. Already asked.

[Toto]

Ok I changed my mind.

HEAL: junkko

Ez game.

[Toto]

If we lim town today, and they get the noble tonight it's ELO.

[Toto]

Sorry I meant if they noble the DA

[Toto]

I was thinking a bit about the DA pool. from my PoV there is actually not that many options left for DA, I don't think the bear is one. I'm still a bit conflicted of how quickly they went from emotional to defusal, which doesn't let me rule them out for red yet. But the defusal bit makes me more convinced they are not the DA.

So from that DA is in junko, erialox, herta, tapioca.

So we should noble in that pool but i'm trying to decide wether we should lim in that pool or not. And sorry I know that includes you but I have this feeling I can trust you this game, which is a bit unsettling.

[Toto]

I dont think Eira wants to die, Junko can be town today, Herta is being herta, Tapocaphobe it is.

HEAL: tapio

[Toto]

Think we won.

Gonna sign up for another game.

[Toto]

Who are we going to kill though?

[Toto]

I honestly don’t see your logic on Tapio but doesn’t mean you are wrong.

[Toto]

K Im not going to argue again with you, im bad at dealing with bad logic. Wanna vote me go head. Ill flip green.

[Toto]

You got it sherlock

[Toto]

Whats scummy about it? The part where I heal
Tapio or the part with logic?

[Toto]

K nice pocket the bear

[Toto]

Why are you so sure about phobe and not herta

[Toto]

I dont think the bear is DA.
They are probably town. Or they are good at theatre in which case well played

[Toto]

@mod vl/a till sunday

[Toto]

Yeah I don't get what Elmo is frustrated about. He hasn't done shit. I’d vote him but Ill leave the honors to the cow.

[Toto]

Enchant/elmo makes sense. I agree with the bear.

[Toto]

Actually my vote should not be there

VOTE: Elmo

[Toto]

Wtf

[Toto]

I mean, Elmo pretty much scumclaimed. Nm is being Nm.

[Toto]

Other than scumclaim?

[Toto]

Ehh elmo may hammer him or the other cow for the lulz

Id rather test things on elmo

[Toto]

Just have erialox hammer elmo from e-2

[Toto]

Ah nice, congrats to the scumfucks. Was pretty sure it was Herta. lol.