Open 870 | White Flag Mountainous | Postgame

[Aubrey]

Excited to play with everyone and looking forward to a fun game

Glad to also see some familiar faces after all these years! Gamma long time no see! Glad to see you’re still around.

And I’m excited to see Blue in this game. You may not remember me, but you were one of the IC’s in my first newbie game here years ago. Interesting to see you in my first game after a long break back.

[Aubrey]

Also Toto! I believe we played a game and you nodded one I was in a long time ago. Good to see ya.

[Aubrey]

Datisi! Haha even more familiar names!

Just as a heads up I haven’t played since 2019 so while I recognize peeps, either I probably won’t remember much regarding play style due to my old farts brain, and I’m sure y’all have grown a lot since we’ve played… so don’t expect any meta reads from me.

[Aubrey]

It's the avatar isn't it?...I shoulda stuck with the fox one I had. If only I got this much action on Tinder. Maybe I should put this avatar in the photo lineup...

[Aubrey]

Well I didn't expect to like someone by page 1. Those are some strange conspiracies you're considering that I'm not sure how quickly mafia would throw out haha.

[Aubrey]

VOTE: giuseppina, this feels very slightly stilted

I liked the initial post personally. Felt like nervous town spiraling to make connections. Can you please explain what you mean by stilted?

[Aubrey]

I have no clue what half of you are going on about haha.

Lucian seems fine to me right now though, so that’s nice.

[Aubrey]

VOTE: Shirou

[Aubrey]

Lot of noise, with no substance.

[Aubrey]

I just what a anime girl off’d at this point. I’m slipping to a point where I don’t even care about the flip.

I’m only comfortable with two peeps right now. I’d like to expand that soon.

[Aubrey]

Ari and klick have each done something I’m fine with for now, but nothing great enough to like lean town on like the other two reads I have. Especially Ari.

Gamma hasn’t been on my best reads list very early game. I’m curious why she isn’t taking a heavy role day one though. Mind answering that Gamma?

I’m excited to hear from Blue. Only because I’ve betting there won’t be any meta reads that seem to be flying around like wild fire right now.

[Aubrey]

You and Pina don’t worry me so far. Y’all seem to be doing acting as town should in my eyes.

[Aubrey]

I haven’t read anything past Lucian’s question to me but,

@Lucian.

I stand by my initial read for pina. And they still seem like anxious town running around. You seem to be trying to sort slots which is a good sign to me while also attempting to progress the game forward.

[Aubrey]

Hey, Pina vote somewhere please.

Hey gamma, vote somewhere please.

Im sure BBT will vote when he gets the chance.

[Aubrey]

…vote. Surely someone here has warranted your interest. Sitting idle focusing in yourself does nothing.

[Aubrey]

@Pina ^

[Aubrey]

Pina how many games of mafia have you played? Cause that line of reasoning seems like it would come from a newer player.

[Aubrey]

You and I both know Toto has no wagon forming and nobody is at risk right now. So vote. We can’t stay undecided forever and you can change. Otherwise it just reads as cautious idle mafia. Though Ari seems to be backing you by stating this as your standard. A bit not so great standard though me thinks.

[Aubrey]

I've loosely been reading, but to quickly address this and move on.

i mean, if you really think my not voting outweighs everything else i have done this game and tips the scales towards me being mafia in your eyes you can certainly try to push me for that but, uh, i don’t really see how you would have reached that conclusion as town here

I just prefer votes to start getting thrown around and things to start happening. I feel like someone at 50 games under the belt shouldn't be waiting to cast a single vote with no wagons right now. At this point RVS votes and non-votes need to move around. I like you, but I'd hate for that to change.

[Aubrey]

The issue with Shirou is the exact opposite of selling them as mafia. Their play so far seems to benefit neither alignment. If that is how they plan to play, then eliminating them is a double win. A townie that may be bad should we get down to the wire is gone and if they are mafia, even better. I don’t get these meta reads people have in Shirou’s favor at all. I also recall at one point Shirou asking someone how their actions benefit a scum alignment and that just left a bad taste in my mouth as if it was a pre meditated plan to act out.

Klick, I can’t sell as town but they have put out a reads list early on, so gold star to them for the moment unlike numerous other slots who have done little, or left themselves open to a quick change.

[Aubrey]

@lucian ^

[Aubrey]

You and I both know Toto has no wagon forming and nobody is at risk right now. So vote. We can’t stay undecided forever and you can change. Otherwise it just reads as cautious idle mafia. Though Ari seems to be backing you by stating this as your standard. A bit not so great standard though me thinks.

Votes are not nearly as important as people like to believe they are

Neither is all this meta kawaii junk, but alas.

[Aubrey]

You and I both know Toto has no wagon forming and nobody is at risk right now. So vote. We can’t stay undecided forever and you can change. Otherwise it just reads as cautious idle mafia. Though Ari seems to be backing you by stating this as your standard. A bit not so great standard though me thinks.

Votes are not nearly as important as people like to believe they are

Neither is all this meta kawaii junk, but alas.

okay so you think shirou may be doing so as mafia, yes? the goal for scum!shirou i assume would be to make the game harder to read and to alienate some players?

and the rest of those involved in either the meta discussions or the ‘kawaii’ as you say are enabling shirou to do so? or do you think it is more likely a concentrated mafia effort? or?

My response is the same that I answered earlier regarding Shirou. If I was on my computer I’d link it.

Meta has little to no grounds or basis in my eyes. The only meta comment Ive taken stock in was when whoever said you typically stall on votes. Other than that, it’s been in one ear and out the other across the board.

As for kawaii, I’m just ready to off all anime girls at this point.

[Aubrey]

@Gamma, Early early game you seemed to sheep and just talk without producing much original content. Mafia tend to do that some. That’s why I was curious as to why you announced you’d be taking a step back.

I don’t remember much of your play style, so that shouldn’t be figured into my words.

[Aubrey]

You and I both know Toto has no wagon forming and nobody is at risk right now. So vote. We can’t stay undecided forever and you can change. Otherwise it just reads as cautious idle mafia. Though Ari seems to be backing you by stating this as your standard. A bit not so great standard though me thinks.

Votes are not nearly as important as people like to believe they are

Neither is all this meta kawaii junk, but alas.

okay so you think shirou may be doing so as mafia, yes? the goal for scum!shirou i assume would be to make the game harder to read and to alienate some players?

and the rest of those involved in either the meta discussions or the ‘kawaii’ as you say are enabling shirou to do so? or do you think it is more likely a concentrated mafia effort? or?

My response is the same that I answered earlier regarding Shirou. If I was on my computer I’d link it.

Meta has little to no grounds or basis in my eyes. The only meta comment Ive taken stock in was when whoever said you typically stall on votes. Other than that, it’s been in one ear and out the other across the board.

As for kawaii, I’m just ready to off all anime girls at this point.

sorry i do not think i asked this well

your earlier posts re:shirou is why i ask in the first place,

i am trying to ask if from the interactions shirou is having, both about meta and ‘kawaii’ etc, does it seem more likely to be towns enabling shirou to muddy the game to you? or a more concentrated effort of shirou+ others to do so, or?

maybe i am still not asking well

Ah, I think I know where you’re going with this. No I’m not thinking this is a team effort or plan.

[Aubrey]

Let’s leave the old vs. new for a different topic thread. In a argumentative writing scenario it’s hard for me to track with it, and harder for me to be persuaded on. So when y’all are going off on it, it’s just noise to me.

[Aubrey]

Now where’s my arthritis meds…

[Aubrey]

I'll go here since I am skeptical of the expectation that I would be more solvy rn

Is that really the only thing you're voting them on?

I get a vibe that Aubrey might have figured I was a safe target because I was dialing things back
also think there may have been some meta talk in a theoretical scumchat that led to the prior idea

Una’s the one voting you. I just said your early game was questionable.

[Aubrey]

Well simple Gamma! Your not a anime girl

[Aubrey]

I guess Gamma is fine though. Pushing me on some mafia PT meta talk just seems odd to come from a mafian push…


What type of math are they teaching y’all

[Aubrey]

Here ya go Pina.

Spoiler:

…vote. Surely someone here has warranted your interest. Sitting idle focusing in yourself does nothing.

a lot of players have

but this:

We can just murder una and call it a day.

VOTE: una

sort of thing is one of the main reasons i hold my vote,

am not currently super confident in any of my scumreads and i really do not think calling it a day right now would be particularly beneficial to town

and i really do not believe anyone else needs me to vote in order to read me and from my perspective my vote just adds noise to any attempts i make at evaluating wagons and such

I think its hard to get anywhere if people don't start walking and as much as you don't enjoy the climb sometimes that is the point.

[Aubrey]

I don't think this matters really Pina. Let's move on. Preferably with a vote maybe haha.

[Aubrey]

SHUDDUP. Gamma is already onto us.

[Aubrey]

I agree with Gamma. We're two days in on page 20 with a number of people who are not caught up. Not to be the fun killer here, but maybe we should limit the goofy silly posts for a bit. I too am to blame for a few of them. I'm kinda worried with how many silent slots we have right now. Sir Cakes, BBT, TGP

I even feel like I need to do rereading, but that just seems daunting.

[Aubrey]

convincing continuous fluff posting is harder for scum than "solving"/faking reads.

To be fair haha, You're not really doing convincing posting as much as just posting...

[Aubrey]

I agree with Gamma. We're two days in on page 20 with a number of people who are not caught up. Not to be the fun killer here, but maybe we should limit the goofy silly posts for a bit. I too am to blame for a few of them. I'm kinda worried with how many silent slots we have right now. Sir Cakes, BBT, TGP

I even feel like I need to do rereading, but that just seems daunting.

If you don't like it then why don't you try to take some control and convince us to kill a dood.
I'm not convinced by your Shirou read so far. Got anything else you feel very convinced about?

Honestly at this point, I think I’m only voting them cause I find them to be a nuisance. And please dont take that the wrong way shirou haha. Like in any other thread I’d probably really like you, but in this game I can’t read you for crap. I can’t get a lot of good reads right now. If I could off people Shirou, Ari, maybe una would all be viable and I probably wouldn’t flinch. Hell I probably wouldn’t be adverse to offing yourself.

Then I have all these silent mates in the back I’m waiting on. So fun times man.

[Aubrey]

I’ll VOTE: Ari

This is the second time you’ve just sheeped a vote it feels like.

Nboy isn’t much better, but a majority of the wagon isn’t vibe’n with me. But it is a anime girl, so ~

@Lucian, that’s pretty much the gist.

[Aubrey]

While it’s painful to admit, I’d argue Shirou has actually progressed the game in a positive light. She’s been in a general good place with the majority that I don’t see her as mafia needing to push this as hard as she has TGP. She could have easily continued on as she was putting minimal effort in and slyly moved forward if she was mafia.

I feel like your push on her is more of a “I dislike your method” over a “your method is mafia indicative.” Though I appreciate your input and have a general like’n of you. I’d be more worried that her outburst is more of an attempt to seem like try hard town as mafia if anything, but I just don’t think she needs it based on how the game has progressed.

[Aubrey]

what the hell has happened Here.

[Aubrey]

It’s largely uneventful yet eventful all at the same time. There’s a gaggle of like 4 or 5 who are chirping away, using a lot of meta reads and cross referencing games. Shirou started a wagon on Nboy for like a day then lock Townes them for some reason and claimed it was all a test really after multiple pages of shit posting.

We have a cross wagon if Una and Ari now. Not sure what the read is in Una. Ari to me has been mostly sheeting where votes go. shirou is now advocating for a Lucian vote because meta.

Anime and love is the way apparently, but Toto and I think it can burn.

Pina is largely active and kinda towny by seeming anxious. However she just seems to be asking opinions of play vs casting their own opinions. Something worth revisiting, but I don’t think it’s a worthy consideration right now.

Sir cake is gone.

TGP is getting swamped in a sea of content like you are. I’m caught up and still full swamped in a sea of content.

It’s kinda a mess me thinks.

[Aubrey]

Shirou vs. TGP is reading more old school vs. new school to me. I low key like TGP, though I admit I’m super biased.

Personally this has been a hard game for me to dig my heels into and feel like I can perform well. I was excited to join, but I’m slowly remembering why I began to dip away. like I was trained by the “older gen” on a different site I guess, and play though more of a analytical lens and mafia theory lens over Meta this Meta that, that one game we played this, omg why are you reading me like that when I was blah in blah. Like that line of reasoning isn’t something I consider or able to participate in. And the new style of not trying to play to you’re alignment but play hard to read is just a site meta I never got and still feel like I’m seeing….all in all I feel like that maybe a similar feeling TGP and possibly BBT was feeling. Not to put thoughts and emotion in your mouths.

For the record I’m leaving BBT as null, he might have just decided he didn’t care to read.

[Aubrey]

We still have 5 non voters and a older Klick vote from Lucian. Where do y’all stand at this point?

I’d like to see votes or some form a determined action from people. Or is everyone cool with a Ari sacrifice here?

[Aubrey]

Shirou, you're at 192 posts. Maybe take a breather haha.

[Aubrey]

Regarding Klicks recent post,

The only issue is with a set up like this it’s optimal for 1 or 2 mafia to try hard town. With that in the back of my mind I worry with Pina a bit as the game progresses. It’s one of the reasons why I hounded for action earlier. So far while they are the 3rd most active I have seen little pushing or advocating for a vote / offing. The posts have largely been revolving around why people read them the way they do, or prodding questions but they don’t seem to go anywhere after. I don’t think this is hard content for mafia to generate. She’s fine for now, but this feeling keeps itching at me in the back of my mind regarding the slot as the game progresses.

It’s slightly how I play as mafia. Stay relatively active. Earn town lean. Keep reads open and follow the general flow of the town while it eats itself until you have to start taking direct action as needed.

It’s just a general worry. I need to re iso Pina at some to better confirm my initial page 1 like’n of her.

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I don’t care much for the Ari Shirou talks. It’s just feels like ATE and a slot that’s given up which is Nai I think. I’m fine with keeping my vote where it is. I think there is only one post I liked so far from them very early on when they generated a early reads list but flat lined after.

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I’m not tracking with the argument against TGP. I don’t remember games from years ago and the specific things that happened In them. I can’t expect him to either. Like I remember a few things for a few players in the roster but it’s high level thoughts. Not this very specific set of posts your hovering over his head as a smoking gun. I’d rather see a slot like Ari go over a slot like TGP who probably needs more time to generate content to judge.

[Aubrey]

If I’m using incorrect terms I’m sorry. But largely, I don’t care that you don’t care about your role in the game anymore. I want you gone regardless. And people shouldn’t give you a pass for it.

[Aubrey]

I won’t engage with you on it if it is dampening your gaming experience. My vote remains for now though, apologies.

[Aubrey]

I never said to not sort you. I said my opinion hasn’t been changed by the exchange. It doesn’t seem their opinion has changed as the unvote seems to stem partially due to a friendship and giving you more time for sorting.

I’m now going to step away to honor your initial request. Maybe you should too? I can feel your frustration and I’m sorry you’re feeling that way. But being frustrated isn’t something I attach to an alignment.

[Aubrey]

TBG’s push is odd, but seems to stem more from a frustrated player who hates a play style rather than looking at mafia intent behind the post and offing a difficult to read slot for end game solving. I had similar feelings early in the game. Hell I’d be pressed to say I don’t have those feelings still slightly. I’m fine with leaving him still for now. Null though. I look forward to future content. I just feel as scum there are easier places to vote, and he’s choosing the harder path.


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I generally like the replacements so far. I need to take time to reread them, but I’m likening what I’ve read on a skim.


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I need to chew on Ari a bit. Everything has just been meta talk and emotional frustration. Need to at some point reread and consider intention on stuff I guess. On a skim I’m not having major changes right now.

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I’m low key not even looking at partner pairings much atm. I’ll be far more interested in that line of thinking after a red flip.

[Aubrey]

Also I read you’re response to me klick. I’ll chew on it some when the time comes for me to relook at Pina.

[Aubrey]

anyway if there's an opinion that i haven't given on something you think i should have an opinion on, you could, idk, ask? like do you think i would be unlikely to answer? i don't really understand

The issue isn't me thinking I don't think you would answer me. The issue is, I don't feel the need to ask someone where they stand sometimes in the game-state. As town, they should be putting out their stances in my world view. If they are not, then that to me can be a negative and favor a mafian mindset.

At the time of writing 1030 I didn't feel like i knew where you stood anywhere really. I'm still not sure I fully know your stances. I like your activity. I like some of your questions. I probably don't want you out'd D1...But you're a slot i'm likely to waver on from time to time and that concerns me, due to the reasons I stated. Someone else echo'd a similar opinion of you not having skin in the game. So it wasn't just me there.

Shirou vs. TGP is reading more old school vs. new school to me. I low key like TGP, though I admit I’m super biased.

Personally this has been a hard game for me to dig my heels into and feel like I can perform well. I was excited to join, but I’m slowly remembering why I began to dip away. like I was trained by the “older gen” on a different site I guess, and play though more of a analytical lens and mafia theory lens over Meta this Meta that, that one game we played this, omg why are you reading me like that when I was blah in blah. Like that line of reasoning isn’t something I consider or able to participate in. And the new style of not trying to play to you’re alignment but play hard to read is just a site meta I never got and still feel like I’m seeing….all in all I feel like that maybe a similar feeling TGP and possibly BBT was feeling. Not to put thoughts and emotion in your mouths.

For the record I’m leaving BBT as null, he might have just decided he didn’t care to read.

i think, if you do want to go heavily into analytics and mafia theory here, that there are quite a few players that would also happily have those conversations with you, myself included

like i don't really think it's exclusively one or the other, and i do love playing connect the dots,

I appreciate the reach out here, thanks.

aubrey badgering pina to vote is giving me feels

this still i keep thinking about and... there's the aristeia thing and the like 'oh it sure would be scummy if you didn't vote' sort of thing which like, ??? like not voting isn't actually a mafia indicative thing in anyway just like the 'not casting its own opinions' thing isn't mafia indicative that's not really how things work and the way aubrey seems to be taking those things into heavy consideration when compared to the rest of my posts, my approach to the game and such, why i would be doing what i am doing if i were mafia, or anything like that, it feels like

like it feels like aubrey is trying to say, 'look at these negatives! look everyone, giuseppina doesn't state its thoughts as hard conclusions! giuseppina doesn't vote' while townreading me and saying, but we will look at those things later, as if those things somehow carry a significant amount of weight that i don't really see why town would think those were so important towards determining alignment,

but i am me so obvious bias involved in my trying to evaluate

I vote tells me you have reasons to suspect scum in a slot. It tells me you have an opinion. I didn't get you having much of an opinion early game. I've played active prodding scum with questions that fake sorting slots while keeping my options very open and loose while waiting to see where the town would go. It's a standard philosophy of mine, so please don't tell me that isn't a viable strategy. Out of the 5 times I've played mafian in a completed game, my team and I have won. I've yet to be voted out of a town or killed as mafia. The tactic has merits, so it's something I keep in the back of my mind.

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Klick or Aubrey could easily be mafia as well, I think

I'm not sure I care to engage in this. I think it better to find a scum, then start trying to put pairs together. If there is a question for me here though, I'd be happy to answer it.


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aubrey's tone feels off to me. it's hard to describe and it's not something i think we need to kill kill kill right away, i want to see what happens if i put my vote there.

This is something I can't really engage with. But the reasoning seems fine to me I guess. Not sure what the scum motive would be.


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I'm ending this here. There is a lot that has happened this morning, and I need to actually read this and not fast skim I think. I've played full games that ended between 40-80 pages, so yall are a super active bunch haha.

[Aubrey]

I’m not really sure Shirou has as much control over the game like you’re stating TGP.

Early on, the friends group shit posting had control over swamping the game. That’s can be said.

I could even see an argument being hashed where the state of this odd friends group could control the momentum of the game. But they seem to be attacking each other now…Though there has been instances where they resist on one another as well as we’ve seen from shirou and Ari…

I’m just not sure on your stance beyond agreeing Shirou is both a hard slot to read and if scum could be a hard offing.

[Aubrey]

Toto doesn’t bother me to much right now.

[Aubrey]

@pina

Hmm, fair question but my answer maybe underwhelming. I didn't remember who agreed with me until you brought it up. I believe it’s a general assertion, that either alignment could make. If I’m town and felt it, then others could too. The only mafian reason to follow up with my concerns would be to have an Avenue in place to point back to should you land in hot waters later. You’re kinda the golden child though, so I doubt that is a Avenue that will open up soon. If you’re town, mafia are quicker to just town read you for an easy read.

It’s kinda like Toto and Mr foxy fox agreeing with me. It’s a general statement most people could agree to I think. I just happpened to be the first to state it, but I don’t feel anyway about them nodding their heads right now.

[Aubrey]

Fuck that’s hotter.

[Aubrey]

Shudddup, I’m trying to pocket here.

[Aubrey]

…..what in the perfectionist hell am I witnessing. Like is this typically an issue for you or something in games?

[Aubrey]

Well, get a grip Pina haha. This is mafia. Perfection doesn’t exist. I’m trying to figure if there is a mafian reason for this issue with you but I’m drawing blanks. The only thing I can register is Ari scum and your terrified of association and feel stuck. I’m not sure how likely that is though. As mafia you have options or a simple out.

[Aubrey]

Lol is this like typical these days?

[Aubrey]

Can this friendship crap please cease.

[Aubrey]

Play the game. Join a discord in between or something.

[Aubrey]

Step away shirou. Take a breather.

[Aubrey]

I have no clue what the case even was on Una…I really wish we would have eliminated Ari. Self votes and self sacrifice always read so bad to me.

[Aubrey]

Gamma just seems like a zero info kill. So scum must be happy enough with the game state to some degree I guess.

[Aubrey]

VOTE: aubrey

Okay you husky, Mariah Carey once said (and it brings tears to my eyes) “why you so obsessed with me? Boy is wanna know…”

[Aubrey]

I have some questions, but doubt I’ll get proper answers for them without a flip.

If I had a gun, I’d flip Fire/Ari so fast. I’m just surprised how fast the wagon changed and with what seemed to be little reasoning. The replace out to me is NAI. Any alignment can get pissy feeling defeated and just peace out. Why did y’all flip…surely that wasn’t the reason.

TGP, why didn’t you wait? We’ve been interested in more developed reads yet all we can judge you on is your Shirou idea and this “tired” vote onto Una even though you preferred Ari/Fire?

Shirou, if you didn’t trust either slot then there was no reason for your antics…this just makes Fire/Ari seem more like a prime suspect. Your friend also seemed disinterested in the game so why go to the trouble of keeping her in longer and offing Una? Who couldn’t even defend their slot?

[Aubrey]

Nah. I’m not going down that rabbit hole of thought. That player I can see replacing out in a fit of emotion and dissatisfaction in the game either side.

[Aubrey]

Shirou didnt “change it” everyone followed and dropped it. That blame doesn’t really go to him unless we say he encouraged change. Everyone is responsible for themselves.

[Aubrey]

Gamma just seems like a zero info kill. So scum must be happy enough with the game state to some degree I guess.

Why is that your conclusion?

She was highly townread but not very active and not really solving much I would argue.

[Aubrey]

Like eliminating Gamma doesnt cast suspicion. It doesn’t force out a strong talkative player at that point in the game…unless there is Meta involved. So I just think mafian either have a plan of attack to fix slots or comfortable with the slots in the danger zone coming into today.

[Aubrey]

I don’t think TGP looks good right now. I wish I knew if he knew he was hammer. He’s just a low info slot for me right now which makes it difficult to discern him. His case on you as I said replicates some of my earlier thoughts, so I can’t fault him there even if I didn’t agree with his end logic. What’s the scum motive for going after you at that point is the other question that needs considering. Was he trying to keep his hands clean of a town vote? Was he avoiding adding pressure to a fellow mafia? Or is this town with a genuine thought pattern? I think he’s also a slot having trouble keeping up with the thread a bit. So does going after you leave him sitting pretty for a bit and give him a breather while the thread continues being active? I just think Ari or Una might have been the easier vote…

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I’m really not putting huge emphasis on who maybe aligned to who until I get a red flip. Mafia will naturally distance in this setup so ~

[Aubrey]

Wonder if maf is just playing a lax game.

Pina and Shirou are the loud ones…I’d have expected more people to cling for townieness.

Lucian didn’t bother me, and Gim isn’t pinging me right now.

If I throw Gim, Pina, and Shirou into town then that leaves me to look at Toto, husky foxy wolfy doggo, TGP and the other cat avatar.

I expect Fire to be active in order to save the damaged slot…hmm. Flipping this slot gives me the most info to work with from D1 because we’d have confirmed wagons.

Flipping TGP just eliminates a low info questionable slot, but if it flips town I don’t get any working info.

[Aubrey]

Oh and blondie. Idk.

[Aubrey]

Whata game man. VOTE: Fire

[Aubrey]

@STD

I haven't played in years. I remember my Scum games far better than my town ones, Sorry.

If you wanna look at those I can link them on my break.

[Aubrey]

I'll do some digging later...I just don't have a town game that sticks out to memory worth sharing where I'm not a power role, or early killed.

[Aubrey]

I don't really remember these but heres a few as

town:

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=77544
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=73105
viewtopic.php?p=9512657#p9512657
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=68953

Not sure if these help ya.

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Scum:

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=69733
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=71518
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=73693
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=78267
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=66650

[Aubrey]

I can't engage on tone with you, but I stand by what I said regarding Gamma. Do you disagree with the reasoning?

[Aubrey]

My tone is like the air under a geese's wings as it flies alongside it's true love into a blazing sunset that even Bob Ross would struggle to paint despite all his happy lil accidents.

[Aubrey]

Here's my mindset right now.

Flipping fire to me just gives us more information to work with regarding D1. Since we have no PR's we need to start trying to get a hard POE going, and any information we can. Understanding the wagons from D1 could be valuable. Since i'm uncertain with the spot, I'm fine voting and flipping it right now. If Fire is able to cause me to be super conflicted then I'll alter course. I think the same could be said for Shirou as information goes, but...I guess I'm not as hell bent on scum reading them right now?


Flipping TGP right here right now also gives us little to no info I feel like. I'd like to hear more from them than what I have to consider.


Klick, Toto, CSF, and Nboy are a pool that I worry a "go with the flow" mafia or two maybe lurking in.


I really like Gim right now. I'm going to keep Pina as town...But I need more skin in the game dawg so I can double down here.

[Aubrey]

Flipping fire to me just gives us more information to work with regarding D1. Since we have no PR's we need to start trying to get a hard POE going, and any information we can. Understanding the wagons from D1 could be valuable. Since i'm uncertain with the spot, I'm fine voting and flipping it right now. If Fire is able to cause me to be super conflicted then I'll alter course. I think the same could be said for Shirou as information goes, but...I guess I'm not as hell bent on scum reading them right now?

If fire flips town what info would that give us poe wise?

Makes the ignores and flippant voters on the 2 wagons a lil more suspect to me. The only other argument I can see is Shirou try harding to force two unfortunate votes but...Not fully sure. I'd feel even better about my idea of the mafia taking a very lax approach to this game if both flipped town. Keeping their hands clean or tagging along with which ever vote they think will go through vs. pushing their own thoughts forward.

[Aubrey]

I blinked and I'm 4 pages behind now hahahahaugggghhhhhhhh.

[Aubrey]

9 pages….the hell fam.

[Aubrey]

Okay I’ve skimmed and feel so lost here…I don’t think gamma kill points to Klick at all. Until TGP gets his ass in I feel like we are talking in circles on that slot…What’s the short case on Klick without Gamma kill analysis?

[Aubrey]

What’s the short case on Shirou without all this OMG he’s so good at scum and big scary man oogabooga.

[Aubrey]

If he’s struggling then wouldn’t he just ease up and begin tunneling a but more….it just seems like overkill effort here.

[Aubrey]

I guess effort isn’t really indicative, but it just seems like if he’s scum he maybe taking the harder than necessary road to me.

[Aubrey]

I mean TGP is probably biting it today. Let’s get real. A slot like him, unless able to obvi town some how will die in this environment due to the rate of content alone.

I don’t see maf risking their necks for him to much and will likely try and get townie points for his demise if he is in fact scum. If town then he is just fodder.

[Aubrey]

I’m not tracking with that, sorry.

[Aubrey]

Specifically no. I’d be looking at those who weren’t voting or just following the general flow of the crowd. I don’t see maf needing to take charge on two town wagons. I’d be able to pool players a bit. I don’t see much point spiraling here unto I have a confirm on Fire though.

I don’t recal TGP really being as big of a contender as someone stating. I think he was a loose option…I need to review D1 a bit to see how he equated into the mix. I doubt Fire is a viable vote today though…So I’ll likely need to move on as new things arise, but I feel stuck.

[Aubrey]

Let me ask one question regarding the idea of a Scum!Shirou…regardless of how chaotic they are, I argue they want to win at the end of the day as mafia no matter what. If mafia, they would be working with their team to do some interesting plays in a perfect world. OR Shirou would be playing in a protective manner to ensure A: the teammates are protected if they flip or B: He and one other we be guaranteed to make it to endgame.

Since it seems proven that Shirou likes thread control, I’d wager they would want mafia control in order to dictate the game as much as possible.


Do y’all think this is playing out?

[Aubrey]

Have y’all did seen this playing out?*

[Aubrey]

Consider personality and win condition is the easiest way I can put it. I’m genuinely asking because while I’m “up to date” I feel like I only have like…20-30% grasp here of what’s gone down. So I’m curious here.

Off my recollection I’d argue that what i described may not be happening. Did the stunt with Nboy really have any effect on the game or seem like it was meant to? Clearly with Ari that wasn’t SvS shenanigans id wager. There really hasn’t been any theater-else where that I can recall…I’m just not so sure their actions come from a scum minded mentality if we consider the win condition. If we had to nab all the scum then maybe I can see the argument?

[Aubrey]

To be honest the thing that busts my balls is the whole rush at the end of d1, why go in we need to kill right now right after lucian’s replacement was announced, while una was on vla not able to defend herself.

The whole thing reeks of scum agenda and theatre.

But why navigate it off Ari then? I don’t think this points back to my question but to humor it and out if curiosity what’s the motivation here? Did Ari not feel like a guarantee offing that Shirou shifted off of and the people followed? Unless Ari and Shirou are aligned I’m not sure I track with the motivation.

[Aubrey]

But Shiro thinks Ari is a scum hunting master. Is this just a cat playing with its food and a fabricated thought?

[Aubrey]

But Shiro thinks Ari is a scum hunting master. Is this just a cat playing with its food and a fabricated thought?

I could have sworn something like this was said but after iso his LONG AS FUCK iso I could only find 1246

So maybe I’m remembering an exaggerated comment?

[Aubrey]

Mod please replace my slot.

I was really looking forward to this game, and had a great time playing with you all. Sadly I’ve come to the rough decision that I need a career change, and need to refocus emotional and physical energies in order to do it…with that comes cuts and I’m afraid this will need to be one of them.

Apologies for any issues this may cause people and to the person needing to fill my role. Please do not read this as a alignment indicative choice as it is not, but a mandatory choice.

Again apologies. I’d love to stay, truly, but cannot for my own well being and the well being of the game. Wishing the best to both sides, and hope you all are able to have a good time during this game, and thank you to the mod for being a champ.

With love - Aubz

[Aubrey]

Oh wow, I didn't expect the game to be over already. Was coming in to check in on my replacement and silently root for him

Glad the town won. Sorry for replacing out, but hope everyone had a good time.