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Post #4639 (isolation #802) » Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:48 am
Postby Lady Lambdadelta »
In post 4638, notscience wrote:
You can handwave it as minutia all you want but all it takes is a quick ISO peruse to see bells interactions with me yesterday we’re way more on the town side of things than any day before
A bell kill here is a game throw from me but notty doesn’t know how to play scum soooooo I suppose I’ll let you spin whatever story you want
You can't just say things that aren't true while putting on the act of how disrespected you are as a cover to it and expect people to believe you.
Bell is 100% your best kill here, and moreover, you have been getting your dues and respects from me. I literally said you won yesterday if Ffery wasn't sick.
I get that you're pissy that you didn't get your win and you were looking forward to being able to use this to deal with whatever internalized lack of respect stigma you're dealing with, but that's not on me. I view you as a strong scum player, I'm not going about this with disrespect.
It is because I respect you I have to kill you and take advantage of the hole you've left for me, however unfortunate and small it was.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
In post 303, Lukewarm wrote:
I have a problem... I have caught up, and I did not find a scum read :/
Trendy choices seem to be Notty and Taly.
I kinda think Notty is town? I liked that he appeared to stop and do some meta skims when he saw something that pinged him. It was well telegraphed too, like he voted in 82, made a comment about meta diving in 109, then largely disappeared from the thread for ~20 mins, before coming back with a new take on Taly in 122. That 20 min thread break would be an impressive touch if faked.
I am having a hard time sorting Taly, just because every post she makes seems to either misunderstand the post that is directed at her, or she is responding to posts directed at other people. I am not sure how to sort constant misunderstandings tbh.
I would request LLD and/or Peta to solve the game for me please.
@Peta, why are you voting Dunn?
i am not really convinced that luke is the breed of cheeky/brazen scum player who makes this post about 2 partners
Why not? He's pitching to Peta and I, taking heat on himself.. it all fits.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
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Post #4651 (isolation #805) » Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:55 am
Postby Lady Lambdadelta »
I recognize I'm like, 8 ways from fucked but Notty literally got to set this all up by just acting town and sitting behind.
He didn't have to look agentful we did it for him. it's.... ahh...
I can see how this ends. It'll be with a vote that says something like "if Notty fooled me he deserves to win" and yeah, maybe he does deserve this win but we have a chance right now to earn ourselves a win
ahhhh
i hate being up against it all. i don't know how to win this for us.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
In post 4651, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
I recognize I'm like, 8 ways from fucked but Notty literally got to set this all up by just acting town and sitting behind.
He didn't have to look agentful we did it for him. it's.... ahh...
I can see how this ends. It'll be with a vote that says something like "if Notty fooled me he deserves to win" and yeah, maybe he does deserve this win but we have a chance right now to earn ourselves a win
ahhhh
i hate being up against it all. i don't know how to win this for us.
not exactly, id be more likely to say well played to ffery and luke for their approach to him
i don't think notscience's play on its own here is ever something i would be impressed by it fooling me
I'm not sure that matters from my PoV. From my PoV Notty's convincing you to go the wrong way.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
Ffery's posting yesterday, my vibe on them through the whole game, their interaction with Unwnd's drunken bus on them not being scum/scum, their Luke/Taly interactions...
In order:
Ffery looked like she was setting up to push everything away from Notty and was looking at setting up on Ydra a bit too, as well as me.
I'm just gut town reading Ydra.
Unwnd's drunk push and Ydra's reaction to me joining it to make it a legitimate wagon felt like it was town or coached by unwnd as a plan but since it can't be the later...
Taly and Luke's stances on Ydra and Ydra's interactions with them don't smell like she's scum here.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
this argument you're making is its own undoing because if I were scum here I would have HAD A STORY TO TELL YESTERDAY.
The way I played yesterday being so poor and so flaccid in its approach shows that I did, infact, not come in here with a story or a plan. I have been trying to get a grasp on this game the whole way through.
And I get that you don't have to actually do anything. given the two people I need to convince are both already on your side you can just take these pot shots and say nothing until you win but I'm going to do everyhting I can to play to the 5% chance that they see these interactions and go "ah, wait shit. LLD's actually town here isn't she".
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
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Post #4661 (isolation #809) » Sun Mar 05, 2023 1:28 pm
Postby Lady Lambdadelta »
In post 4660, notscience wrote:
You can grandstand all you want, you’re trying to paint a picture that my erraticism was planned
I’m here for the show my dude
I'm really glad we're both being respectful in this final day of mafia we are playing and both respect each other and players and neither of us are being pointlessly cruel for no real gain but our own ego.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
Bottom line is, your strengths are writing stories. My strengths are being transparent. You don’t try to 1v1 a Jax in sidelane.
see this I'll respect more. This is a fine level of cheeky. we're good.
I mean, you're scum and this is definitely you trying to play to a certain angle to make them believe you more, but at least I'm not feeling like shit now ahaha
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
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Post #4668 (isolation #813) » Sun Mar 05, 2023 1:49 pm
Postby Lady Lambdadelta »
In post 4667, notscience wrote:
It is an argument that this is not the gamestate I would choose to put myself in as scum, which if I am as conniving and methodical as you claim, would include someone a) significantly more familiar with my body of work in other games and can corroborate things I’m saying b) is significantly nore likely to vote the vote you proposed me to vote c) I make some ??? Hero play yesterday despite the entire gamestate making it easier to go ffery>firesir or ffery>lld when I don’t need to fucking get involved
I dunno dude, I make some ??? Decisions and of anyone I would be the cheeky one who would double up on a number, but I feel like I’ve been transparently fucking clueless
okay turn that logic back to me
there is no one that scumreads me harder right now than Firered. if I'm scum, why don't I just shoot Fire? There's more than enough cover there to explain it, it puts me in the best possible scenario to win this game by convincing Bell and Ydra over tyring to convince Fire.
Where's my win path, Notty? Why am I making such reckless and unwise moves that lower my win % so drastically if I'm scum here? Why come after you intstead of FireRed if I am going to shoot bell, because Firered will never change his mind and you and Ydra might.
None of this makes sense for LLD scum. I'm going at you because you're all that makes sense as scum to me right now.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
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Post #4673 (isolation #815) » Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:11 pm
Postby Lady Lambdadelta »
In post 4671, fireisredsir wrote:
im not really sure if it was conclusively evident that i was scumreading you more than notscience was though
i get the impression he's probably more stubborn than i am anyway
eh?
My dude you argued with me last day phase to the point in which we both had to quit several times, you called me scum at literally every turn, you put up the Ffery/LLD as the team mulitple times in MULTIPLE posts including the ones near the end of the day to the point where I went "well you're trying to kill me is why I'm being defensive" and you said "no I wanna kill Ffery first".
Everything you said indicated I was your top scum read. The fact I'm sitting here and saying it should indicate I knew this was the score.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
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Post #4675 (isolation #816) » Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:12 pm
Postby Lady Lambdadelta »
In post 4672, Ydrasse wrote:
mmm
i think the difference would be in perception because of the like... back and forth that you had with lld that took up a few pages
while notsci may be more stubborn about it you demonstrated that you had the like. idk the word, capacity? to engage
yes, this, and the part where he called the team LLD/FFery multiple times and even had a convo with me about how I felt he wanted to kill me before ffery and he said no Ffery first but.
Like...
Notty is infinitely more flexible IMO, despite the vote on me, which is hysterical.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
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Post #4676 (isolation #817) » Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:14 pm
Postby Lady Lambdadelta »
In post 4674, fireisredsir wrote:
i guess maybe you wouldn't know this but i don't think anyone would really characterize me as someone who would never change their mind
i literally argued with you for hours about a night kill over 2 weeks old and about the wording of my considerations of Bell.
Neither argument gave me the impression you were someone who changed your mind.
Fuck, the way we played in HotD didn't give me that impression EITHER. You ended up agreeing with the mechanics, not me.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
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Post #4678 (isolation #818) » Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:16 pm
Postby Lady Lambdadelta »
Like, I assure you I would not be sitting here going "Notty's scum, it just has to be notty" if I didn't spend 48 hours from flip fully expecting this to be the world we lived in and trying to solve what my wincon is.
because i only have one as town in this spot
my answer was: Notty.
as scum i have infinite worlds to play in and create, I'm the game I'm the one who controls the way it shapes.
Choosing this world to live in is suicide, frankly.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
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Post #4694 (isolation #827) » Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:41 pm
Postby Lady Lambdadelta »
Ydra you haven't said one (1) thing about me that is scummy all game. That includes today.
And now, as town, I'm supposed to buy that you went from uncertainty to confident over "vibes" and "notty would have to be playing this well"
you came into today sayign you wanted to vote me right out and you've not provided a single statement that has backed up that much confidence in ANY real way.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
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Post #4700 (isolation #831) » Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:45 pm
Postby Lady Lambdadelta »
In post 4698, Ydrasse wrote:
i don't really know what you expect of the question you asked tbh. it feels unhelpful because i don't believe in that world and i don't think that world ever had a chance of existing so it'd be a waste for me to like, dwell on it.
and yes, you feel right, because i have outlined reasons i think the other two are town and i'm failing to find the world where you're town compared to the other two.
p-edit: that's what i think, because i'm currently at "this dude spent all game defending both wolves more than like, anyone else in this game and i think that would be deeply taxing and impressive to do."
p-edit AGAIN: i mean if you want to push this back onto me we can just like. throwdown. from where i'm at you're like hovering on reversing onto me over this which is like. lol given past posts.
See this isn't a town reaction either.
you get called out for not making a whole lot of sense or having consistent ANYTHING for your sudden tone and playstyle change, and your reply is to double down on not having a reason for it and then to be like "okay if you wanna go let's go" which isn't something a townie says here.
I... I might be losing my mind.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
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Post #4706 (isolation #834) » Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:46 pm
Postby Lady Lambdadelta »
and I've been having this drawing dead feeling all day about you notty and the pissing me off thing and being cheeky thing then walking it back when I brought it up and it just doesn't feel like I hit the mark.
Like I feel like scum reacts differently in those scenarios but you're the one that fits the mold here.
But now Ydra is like open wolfing in thread and I'm like, shaken.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
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Post #4710 (isolation #837) » Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:49 pm
Postby Lady Lambdadelta »
Honestly though Ydra's sudden escalation onto me after being even SLIGHTLY poked and getting even a mild bit of attention shifted off of notty vs. not being willing to vote PRIOR to that in 4p ELO is not town, Notty.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
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Post #4712 (isolation #839) » Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:51 pm
Postby Lady Lambdadelta »
This isn't flailing, this was asking you a simple question and getting nothing as an answer and when I pressed you a little more you freaked and now we're here.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
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Post #4713 (isolation #840) » Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:52 pm
Postby Lady Lambdadelta »
To me, Ydra, this reads like someone who was comfortable and settled in for a win, got hard pivotted on and wasn't ready for it, gave a bad answer, got poked a bit and way over reactd.
this reads like scum who had the game on lock and just lost it.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
Why was your response in 4p ELO to throw a vote like it means something? all 3 town have to agree to win here today, you know.
because the fact that you came into today and were like "i know who my enemy is" and then decided, to me what feels like arbitrarily, reverse and push me feels like a wolf trying to find anyone that they can kill to live.
i also think that it's kind of telling that you're going LOOK HERE LOOK AT THIS... TONE... OPENWOLFING. but have spent like... the majority of the game calling me town for what feels like (mostly) gut and a handful of other points you are now willing to just cast aside.
it's almost like notty shook me a little so i poked you as a test on a random lark and you exploded.
which is something townies should be in ELO. Flexible.
something you were lacking, and are doubling down on now because you can't backpedal.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
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Post #4718 (isolation #842) » Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:01 pm
Postby Lady Lambdadelta »
In post 4716, notscience wrote:
I spent all of yesterday flinging shade bc everyone’s townread on ydra is just vibes lmfao
This sudden shift is sketchy and not evaluating it yesterday when I REPEATEDLY mentioned it is ????
ah, yes. I'm the sketchy one who randomly changed their approach to the game, not Ydra.
Are you serious? Are you going to throw this away because I didn't entertain you yesterday properly?
My dude I literally was lost yesterday ahaha. I TRIED entertaining Ydra, then got lost in the "ah well she's town" and before I could return to that you got MAD AT ME for it.
uadisfhklsa
come the fuck on
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
In post 4712, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
This isn't flailing, this was asking you a simple question and getting nothing as an answer and when I pressed you a little more you freaked and now we're here.
please tell me what you stand to learn about asking me "ydra, if i was dead and you had to vote someone else, who do you think it was" when i've been saying in thread that i think that it's you, and that i don't feel strongly that world exists? you learn who i want to kill... second most? this gives you insight into my alignment in what way as compared to anything else i've posted this game?
you're asking me a question that i don't really care about and using it at the crux of an argument against me when my answer is, ultimately, a shrug towards it. it's a question that literally offers you nothing so no, i am not going to dwell on it.
it feels like you kind of just showed your hand to me because it was a losing battle.
your answer was not to even consider a world where i'm town, and fully dodged the question. you literally didn't want to identify someone you might think is scummy, over all ining on one person.
that to me felt scummy your reaction after only confirmed it
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
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Post #4721 (isolation #845) » Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:05 pm
Postby Lady Lambdadelta »
Also I want to point out that Ydra getting visibly more upset with me here that I am committing the crime of suspecting them is a notable thing that comes from scum too.
Especially scum who felt like they had the game won and now have to fight for it more.
Double especially scum who have to fight with ME over it and know my reputation.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
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Post #4725 (isolation #848) » Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:08 pm
Postby Lady Lambdadelta »
But also, like, 1) I was arguing for your death. and 2) I literally started slowing my roll a little because it didn't make sense. You can literally see the part where I started questioning myself around the time we had the talk about ego and stuff.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
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Post #4729 (isolation #850) » Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:11 pm
Postby Lady Lambdadelta »
like
notty if you're just going to eliminate me eliminate me but you're interrogating me over a push i made when i was certain you were scum that resulted in me being less certain and poking Ydra.
and I want to say this agian. I asked the fucking MILDEST possible quesiton and Ydra fumbled the bag. This wasn't some big setup push. I have fucking whiplash from how this went.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
Also I want to point out that Ydra getting visibly more upset with me here that I am committing the crime of suspecting them is a notable thing that comes from scum too.
Especially scum who felt like they had the game won and now have to fight for it more.
Double especially scum who have to fight with ME over it and know my reputation.
let it be known that lld is trying to paint something in my posts that doesn't exist. i wolfread her. she made wolfier posts. i voted her because of them. and now i am very upset that she has done the grave error of scumreading me and
i am screaming and crying and throwing up but...
she's the one who's like actually upset.
ah yes, the classic omgus
where i'm literally laughing at the whole situation and you're writing posts like the bolded
definitely not mad bro
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
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Post #4760 (isolation #856) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:07 am
Postby Lady Lambdadelta »
In post 4749, fireisredsir wrote:
sorry if that comes off as a strong reaction, reading it again i realize now maybe it was meant to have more of a joking tone than i am seeing, but i have strong reactions to certain things
you're obviously allowed to post whatever you want in the bounds of the rules but just stating how i feel about it. and that it will not advance your wincon. especially relevant if you're town bc i know myself and i know that it will make it harder for me to accept that
it was a joke, i'm not going to flame anyone come on
god
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
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Post #4761 (isolation #857) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:09 am
Postby Lady Lambdadelta »
In post 4759, Ydrasse wrote:
i feel genuinely gross quoting the posts that made me think lld was town wrt her interactions with luke/taly so i’d prefer not to bring them into the discussion if possible despite needing to acknowledge them as the basis for my read. but they did a decent amount of lifting for my opinion her, especially when i was already being more charitable than everyone else i think because i didn’t see any egregious posting early on and was like, she gets a lot of flak by virtue of reputation and it can be miserable to be pigeonholed into a stereotype of play/expectation
eh?
why would this make you feel gross did i do something wrong lol
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
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Post #4762 (isolation #858) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:11 am
Postby Lady Lambdadelta »
In post 4752, fireisredsir wrote:
mmm i have reread taly and luke and ffery and i don't see anything that makes me feel good about clearing ydra off interactions
it is hard for me to get past knowing that when i entered and (possibly unexpectedly?) had notscience as more town than ydra, and ydra (also probably unexpectedly) had LLD as more likely scum than notscience, those shifts suddenly made ydra a way better 1v1 choice from a scum LLD pov. and then wow it's a miracle a pathway opens up where she is able to flip everything around and suddenly start on that path instead. on reasoning that i don't understand and seems way too weak to justify the change
like she has this whole narrative for why it has to be notscience and then is just willing to drop all that bc she vibed with some of his responses? it doesn't make sense to me. where's the rigor? what makes some reasons strong one minute and then willing to be dropped the next?
on its own maybe that isn't always scummy. but so many of the read shifts have felt opportunistic
opportunism isn't scummy in final day ELO. again it's more valuable that scum has its shit together
i swapped because i was less confident and because ydra blew up
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,