Open 874 - Donner Party - Postgame

[Cephrir]

Gimli is town
Firebringer shouldn't eat me because I'm too gristly

Hope that helps

[Cephrir]

Oh stuff it furtive

[Cephrir]

Gimli have you read Normal 2289? We just finished it and Ceoh and Firtive's playstye was virtually identical, and they were both scum.

we have 2 and 1 posts respectively it seems a bit early to determine this lmao

my post was meant to be playful

[Cephrir]

Okay fine. Let's say you haven't found any scum.
What's you reaction to the Penguin wagon, Furtive?

Same question goes to Ceph who hasn't contributed at all yet.

i have no opinion at this time

i gave you the only serious read i have, i think that's pretty decent considering 50% of this game is shitposting

[Cephrir]

VOTE: norwe for fun

pedit yeah you got me

[Cephrir]

despite how most players on this site pronounce it my name isn't actually "VOTE: cephrir"

[Cephrir]

is detective penguin based on a real penguin

[Cephrir]

I've narrowed it down to either town, scum, or the cereal killer.

well ur wrong because clearly he is the mod

Cephrir has revealed as a bulletproof innocent child. He is confirmed town.

[Cephrir]

despite how most players on this site pronounce it my name isn't actually "VOTE: cephrir"

Fuck you actually made me laugh out loud.

Also, I know it's mostly shitposts, but can you at least try to contribute? I have given my reads, shaky as they are.

I've contributed a read and a vote

You don't need to worry about me not contributing enough as the game moves onwards but I genuinely don't have anything else yet

[Cephrir]

Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.

(Disappointment)

[Cephrir]

VOTE: bianco

Be honest, you forgot this person was in the game too didn't you dear reader?

[Cephrir]

VOTE: bianco

Be honest, you forgot this person was in the game too didn't you dear reader?

gross post tbh

Why

[Cephrir]

Having another look at it, Sail hasn't posted at all and I'm really unsure what the perspectives of both Flea and Bianco are. IDK if that makes them scummier or not, but I'd at least want to get Cephrir to E-2 for info before chasing another wagon. I definitely didn't get anything townie from Ceph.

Pedit: or we could go for Furtive. I guess they are actually quite deserving of a wagon ATM.

Before I change my vote, @Furtive please explain these two posts:

VOTE: Detective Penguin

I have an idea.

VOTE: Death Stare

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

Another Pedit: I actually didn't forget Bianco as you can see.

I thought Ceph might be chainsawing for Penguin with the early wagons but then Penguin unvoting at E-1 was a bit towny

You have an exceptionally loose definition of chainsawing... I didn't attack norwe I just voted him, thought he'd be more likely to give an interesting reaction than penguin

[Cephrir]

VOTE: bianco

Be honest, you forgot this person was in the game too didn't you dear reader?

Did you know this person was in the game at all?

Not Voting (2): Sail

Only because I looked at the vote count to think about what I wanted to do with my vote

I figure they'll be replaced

[Cephrir]

VOTE: bianco

Be honest, you forgot this person was in the game too didn't you dear reader?

gross post tbh

Why

it's very jada essensce hall "LOOK OVER THERE"

And you think if I were scum I'd be nervous right now? I wouldn't

[Cephrir]

Ok I guess I'll go lurk out this massive pressure I'm so worried about

[Cephrir]

hey cephrir u have a gun
who would u eat right now

Furtive. Struggles to post as scum

[Cephrir]

Actually I changed my mind furtive has done more than I remembered

[Cephrir]

Actually I changed my mind furtive has done more than I remembered

IDK, still feels to me like they're struggling to post.

Fair enough

[Cephrir]

VOTE: KawaiiKame

So many posts so little content

[Cephrir]

didn't you just vote bianco for not existing

[Cephrir]

A vote I expressly stated was not serious furtive. Big chainsaw energy

[Cephrir]

Am I producing enough content for you yet dragoneater

[Cephrir]

Sure why not VOTE: furtive

Look over there!

[Cephrir]

Ain't no party like a donner party cuz a donner party don't stop (until most of the partygoers are dead)

[Cephrir]

i can't look over there, i am stuck looking at a racoon with the planet in his grasps.

All eyes on me let's go

I know, it's hard to look away, I get it

[Cephrir]

Ur straight up bad at reading me then love this is an easy one

[Cephrir]

Ur straight up bad at reading me then love this is an easy one

now we both know that's not true

And yet here we are

[Cephrir]

I'm literally free rn get with the program

Pedit I dunno

[Cephrir]

For information

[Cephrir]

I feel like you just wanted to take issue with something this thought process doesn't feel super real

[Cephrir]

Cool thanks

[Cephrir]

I'm pretty far away from being ready to kill anyone here

[Cephrir]

Hot take but I think it's an SK tell

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Flea

[Cephrir]

I like the flea post. Running out of places I currently feel like voting

VOTE: KK

[Cephrir]

At least spell it right

[Cephrir]

Fleas potential scum because fae just tried to impress with a town sounding post but didn't have a ton of substance to it.

Norwee is potential scum because he's not doing anything to advance the game state and he did nothing in business company to do so and he was scum there.

Cephrir is potential scum because I don't like how he reacted to my shove onto him and I think he's doing stuff he does as scum but this is my weakest read

I'm used to it your instavotes have no more power over me

[Cephrir]

its very rude how penguin is stealling all my votes

I'm happy to be a day 1 info wagon for once. Let me have this.

Or annoyed cereal killer?

I’ve read Detective Penguins ISO and i feel like there’s something off about it. I kinda get SK vibes ngl. It’s mainly these two posts in particular that vibe strangely with me.
"Happy to be a day 1 info wagon" is an take i would expect from someone that basically has the thought of being unalligned in their mind. It’s also a strange thing to say in the first place for either a townie or a scum. But a SK could definitely slip up on this.
Second one is also seemingly a strange thing to utter out of the blue. Why are they theorizing that i’m possibly an "annoyed seriia killer"? This lines up with an tell i’ve gotten from typical third-party slots where they will accuse others of third-party acts when they are the third-party themselves.

Just one of these might be slightly telling by themselves, but both? That’s enough to raise my suspicion level to a much higher level.

Oh and pre-answering this likely question. Why am i focusing on finding SK here? Well dear reader, i’m angry i didn’t roll SK myself so i’m trying to ruin the day of the one that rolled it by exposing them early

The first post makes sense in the context of who penguin is

[Cephrir]

Oh and pre-answering this likely question. Why am i focusing on finding SK here? Well dear reader, i’m angry i didn’t roll SK myself so i’m trying to ruin the day of the one that rolled it by exposing them early

So despite the fact you wanted to roll SK, you didn't bother checking how the SK worked?

I have trouble understanding the "do serial killers kill people" post from... Any perspective

[Cephrir]

Sail is town

[Cephrir]

Firebringer has good boy vibes

Unrelated to his alignment

[Cephrir]

VOTE: flea

Great, first I see VOTE:Cephrir'snot a vote nekkid butt now I get to see StD's as well x.x

Lucky

[Cephrir]

I'm pretty much never killing Firebringer D1 he's too charming

Don't super see him as scum tho

[Cephrir]

Plz just let me see day 2 with a town role pm just this once thank u

[Cephrir]

I'm pretty much never killing Firebringer D1 he's too charming

Don't super see him as scum tho

If ur trying to buddy me. This isn't the way to go.
Ur supposed to call me scum confirmed. 100% always elim.

I wasn't going to tell them the real reason is because you're my scumbuddy

[Cephrir]

I'm not actually sure if the hypovig thing is a good idea or not but if it is my answer might change by the end of the day anyhow

[Cephrir]

I'm pretty much never killing Firebringer D1 he's too charming

Don't super see him as scum tho

If ur trying to buddy me. This isn't the way to go.
Ur supposed to call me scum confirmed. 100% always elim.

I wasn't going to tell them the real reason is because you're my scumbuddy

wait ur my scumbuddy.....then why is Penguin in this PT with me....

Oh shit he's an undercover detective get him

[Cephrir]

Firebringer isn't a distraction, it's the mafia game that's distracting us from him

[Cephrir]

his detective hat this game

I take umbrage with this...real detectives don't wear hats.

Also, what is it in furtive's interactions with this game that makes you think he is actually doing this (apart from him appealing to your ego)? Because I don't see it at all.

I had furtive in my POE until he started interacting with me re: his scumreads that I was townreading. what follows is that both biancospino and flea started to feel very much like possible scum. I felt his approach had towny vibes and his solve makes much sense.

Spoiler: furtive's interaction with my POE

bianco still posting off the cuff means he is just town this game

completely disagree

so POE

(furtive, std, ceph, norwee)

is that a good solve friends

max 1 in here, 2 in your locktowns

bianco and Flea

I will make you see Gimli

bianco and Flea

I will make you see Gimli

you didn't play against scum bianco, he was in your team. remember that long convoluted reasoning things? I don't see him doing any of that here, it feels more like in thread solving etc.

I could be wrong ofc I was townreading bianco when he was doing the long convoluted thing too

It's not about style, it's about tone and motivation

maybe I'm pocketed by scum cause he is strong TRing me, but it feels like a genuine impression and not TMI. rn I think it's a genuine impression.

I completely agree with this fwiw

[Cephrir]

Well just the stuff about furtive

[Cephrir]

You know what I'm just gonna sheep furtive for a bit bc I'm pretty sure he's town and I don't really feel like I have good reads right now

VOTE: bianco

[Cephrir]

Go for it idc

[Cephrir]

Cool. I love mafia. So fun

[Cephrir]

should we post dietician cover from d2 forward?

If you do this it's probably a good idea to play as though your result might be real

[Cephrir]

It's just fun to run me up every D1 apparently

[Cephrir]

i reread bianco and im not especially townreading her but i also have no idea why we're doing this haha

[Cephrir]

here's hoping ur right

[Cephrir]

i reread bianco and im not especially townreading her but i also have no idea why we're doing this haha

do you have a better suggestion?

No I'm lost :3

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Penguin

Baa

And he does seem a little bit different?

[Cephrir]

If our whole reason for voting penguin is that he could be partnered with flea then voting for penguin doesn't make that much sense does it

[Cephrir]

So, VOTE: Gimli and lets see how we go.

You're the only one who actually appears to have pushed me, at most everyone else has just nudged me and it's all based on frankly NAI stuff with me.

do you have a reason that isn't just purely defined by omgus

[Cephrir]

like - i think gimli's solving looks pretty not fake at the moment so you're gonna need to do more to convince me he's scum and not just wrong (or right, but fypov)

[Cephrir]

bianco and Flea

I will make you see Gimli

I think I have a winning POE already which is unusually early for me

[Bianco, Cephrir, Flea, Penguin, STD]

STD most likely to be town from those

I think it's too early for E-1

I think flea is substantially scummier than bianco. what do you think, furtive?

I have three scumreads - Bianco, Flea and Penguin.

You know how Penguin likes to do his wagonomics votes on every wagon?

He's avoided Flea's wagon, and called faer null when I asked him recently.

The 10-pages case was pretty meh, but still he is in general quite forceful about your slot being sus.

I am going to just directly ask you what do you think of Gimli 180ing on his TR of you shortly after the first furtive's post I quoted

i wonder what response you are expecting from fae given that fae is voting for gimli. i guess if you were both scum you wouldn't need to supply fae's reason for faer in the thread but eugh

[Cephrir]

name droping me like that is just going to boost my ego tbh, it's not a case, it's, nothing. its the whole lilo and stitch "TOUCHING MEEEE!" thing.

Gimli flips more than a coin in midair, honestly probably trying to stir the pot and reaction farm at that point. Later on though going on about "people are clearly sus" of me when all I'm getting is naked votes is nothing, asking me about those pushing on me when I'm just getting name dropped and a peep show of votes (far too many ankles on display, heathens) then attempting to adjust the games undertones is actually impressive but not effective against me. I'm an easy target D1, because I hate D1. We have *nothing* to work with here except was Golidlocks a thief?


I ain't going to react to such a weak ass push when my IBS scares me more.

Oh and Ceph, I'm not convincing anyone of anything. It's D1. Unless you want me to pull some serious psychological interpretations, which I'm not going to do because theres

nothing

.

why vote anyone in particular then and not just roll a die?

[Cephrir]

If our whole reason for voting penguin is that he could be partnered with flea then voting for penguin doesn't make that much sense does it

what's your whole reason? self-preservation?

i'm acting as furtive's double vote until i feel more confident about my reads

[Cephrir]

that's why i said "our"

[Cephrir]

So why are you doing it

i feel like the answer to this is self evident

but if furtive doesn't articulate a reason that voting penguin is actually better than voting flea i'm probably gonna vote flea

[Cephrir]

VOTE: flea

[Cephrir]

Sorry, but I'm quite happy with my vote right now. I agree with std

[Cephrir]

VOTE: bianco

keeps asking pointless questions

[Cephrir]

I was townreading two slots with shaky reasoning. just by pointing at these slots again, I could see how that was precipitated and how they were both >rand scum.

bianco's and flea's posts afterwards are strengthening that read. of course, doing an associative read this early can be pretty bad,

but I don't think furtive goes 'gimli I'll make you see' about one of his scumbuddies that I'm townreading. so furtive is already at pretty low equity with these two slots.

if they're both town, then maybe furtive can be scum? sure, but I still get towny vibes off him, I still see what he saw re: those slots, so I'm pretty comfortable with writing him off as a townie.

I agree with the bolded, but it is clearly less appealing from my prospective. However, furtive noting that there being a SK lessens the utility of associatives is +t, since that note lessens the validity of your argument.

furtive/std townies and killing scum I think

(bianco, flea) should def contain at least one of them. from std it could be early bussing but I think furtive is just using his detective hat this game

Is it really in our best interest to create 1v1s in this way?

If one of me and flea should be voted out and flipped as town, would that strengthen your read that the other is scum?

bianco and Flea

I will make you see Gimli

I think I have a winning POE already which is unusually early for me

[Bianco, Cephrir, Flea, Penguin, STD]

STD most likely to be town from those

I think it's too early for E-1

I think flea is substantially scummier than bianco. what do you think, furtive?

I have three scumreads - Bianco, Flea and Penguin.

You know how Penguin likes to do his wagonomics votes on every wagon?

He's avoided Flea's wagon, and called faer null when I asked him recently.

The 10-pages case was pretty meh, but still he is in general quite forceful about your slot being sus.

I am going to just directly ask you what do you think of Gimli 180ing on his TR of you shortly after the first furtive's post I quoted

*Stretches and yawns*

Spoiler: Don't mind me, just being lazy

1.15

Votecount 1.15

Flea The Magician (E-2): Gimli, Save The Dragons, Detective Penguin, furtiveglance, Cephrir

Spoiler: gimli

VOTE: flea

SING TO MEEEEE by Delain.
5 posts ish per spoiler?

Spoiler: Happy tears fade fast, sad tears tend to last

@Flea, could you clarify #311 please?

yes I can, My brain did the wonderful thing of actually forgetting we never actually commented and just YEET.
Time go wibble.

Spoiler: 311

It would probably be ideal to get serial killer first assuming they have nightkill

And this.

Cereal Killer is a single person faction, and a threat to scum as much as town. Maf would prioritise the CK imo

Only thing i find strange about that post is norwee saying "assuming they have night kill" cause ive never heard of cereal killer with no nightkill.

what ur point?

My point is Yes we have 2 nightkills to stand against, we aren't going to find the SK this early, and currently they're as much a threat to us as they are to the mafia. We don't have kill power in this setup, and SK marches to their own drum. Mafia and SK in YOLO puts town as kingmaker. Mafia need SK gone more than we do at the moment.
Norwee prioritising SK this early is hella sus to me for this reason.

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Also i wasn’t "3P" hunting and scumtelling because "only scum hunt SK" Flea. I was pointing out that from an mechanics standpoint it’s way better to kill the SK as early as possible because that limits the amount of kills from anti-town roles. This was an indirect answer to your question on what you thought was best between killing mafia or a SK today. Whether we actually hit scum at all today is the most important thing.

Oh I do love an early tell showdown.
Especially when its the over-explaining tell.
Annoyingly I think this one is NAI for you if my memory serves. For a D1 case, "only scum hunt SK" is brilliant for putting things into motion, I don't actually put that much credence into it beyond mid D1.

This leads to me asking you why give me an indirect answer to a question that wasn't even aimed at you? Just as importantly, Why give such a defensive response to the mildest of suspicion and end with a blanket statement that's true and NAI for ALL roles in this game?

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Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.

🌶 - 1/10 on the spicy scale.
I would add a normal comment but we're under stricter moderation again ain't we and I don't wanna risk it.

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Why'd you move over to Ceph?

They are the scummiest in my eyes atm.

Curious to know who else you think is scummy, given your justification for VOTE:Cephrir being your scummiest is so weak it doesn't even make the spicy scale.

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Having another look at it, Sail hasn't posted at all and I'm really unsure what the perspectives of both Flea and Bianco are. IDK if that makes them scummier or not, but I'd at least want to get Cephrir to E-2 for info before chasing another wagon. I definitely didn't get anything townie from Ceph.

Pedit: or we could go for Furtive. I guess they are actually quite deserving of a wagon ATM.

Before I change my vote, @Furtive please explain these two posts:

VOTE: Detective Penguin

I have an idea.

VOTE: Death Stare

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

Another Pedit: I actually didn't forget Bianco as you can see.

Never ever try and get my perspective. I come from a place of insanity and 9 times out of 10 I can't even remember what the hell I've posted.

Spoiler: You've got your blood stained heart, in your nicotine stained hands.

it's very jada essensce hall "LOOK OVER THERE"

yeah but would cephrir scum be that lazy

Actually would though...

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hey cephrir u have a gun
who would u eat right now

Did you know Rifle Spoons are a thing? I didn't, I was hoping to find a spoon bayonet thingie but found something so much better

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hey cephrir u have a gun
who would u eat right now

Furtive. Struggles to post as scum

Disagree. Has been a while admittedly, and I also think we're a little early to be dropping lines like that.

Scrolling sees that you admit you're wrong, cool. Still don't like how early that lines come out.

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Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.

thinking on this again does norwee town actually believe he would get elimmed this fast in a game? I don't think so.

This sounds like purposeful overreaction than really annoyance? Or maybe he is just trying to be adamant that he won't give what i want. easy read.

wow. I circled around to feeling this is 3d chess move.
ehhhhhhhh

ill say town still

I would actually say yes. Norwee isn't exactly great under pressure from memory regardless of alignment. I'm interested to see responses to stuff in the spoiler above.

Spoiler: And your 29 years did not help you pass

Am I producing enough content for you yet dragoneater

It's good enough for me to prefer a Furtive wagon over you, ig?

The sass of VOTE:Cephrir combined with the flatness of this response is just amazing.

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Ur straight up bad at reading me then love this is an easy one

Tbf every game I've played with your gorgeous duo, this always happens. Like the day I'm in a game where Fenrir doesn't scumread your ass D1 is the day I just turbolim you both ngl.

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Nothing until we actually have some flips.

Presenting: The reason I hate D1.

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VOTE: KawaiiKame

So many posts so little content

This game is confusing, when I'm in confusion I don't pay attention, lemme attempt to be real

Norwee throwing up his hands and leaving in frustration is tai, being genuinely upset when close to being eliminated feels town when in the opening game, hopefully he's okay, Idk why it's being called a gold mine/treasure hunt unless the meaning is an info mine, that's what I'm counting on to have hope of solving this game

dragoneating is town to me since I like the engagement in attempting to solve/asking questions

I need to analyze the vote pushes between norwee vs. penguin though Idk if anything is in it

I voted Penguin since it's fun

fires seem to be the leader of this day, probably/hopefully town

I haven't read enough in depth to know about anyone else besides Penguin, Penguin seems chill

Growlithe usually needs a Fire Stone to lead, honestly I'm going to disagree with a large chunk of this post, its easier to go with what I do agree with.

Penguin is p chill. The "gold mine" isn't a big enough vein to set up on but we can pan for gold there at least. we might get a lil bit.

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why did u vote me

set a new trend idk

It's not a new trend, trust me. You saw what happened on the Good Ship Mutiny.

I'm not scum. If you give me something to talk about then I'll give it a go

Can you make your famous first ten pages analysis?

Wait that's a thing?
I don't even read the first 10 pages usually xD I enter when I enter and the game for me doesn't exist before that. :3

Spoiler: All the roadkill, cheap thrill, obstacle-filled path

Get furtive to E-1. Sail is replaced by Not_Mafia and instant hammers.
imagine that

🌶🌶🌶 - 3/10
Paranoia or concern... hm....

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I'm not scum. If you give me something to talk about then I'll give it a go

Can you make your famous first ten pages analysis?

yeah I want that too

Spoiler: The pages, collapsed by Flea

Spoiler: Page 1

bianco's joke feels a bit forced. Firebringer tunnelling Norwee out the gate might be +town because scum would feel bad about doing that.

Spoiler: Page 2

This is entirely fluff.

Spoiler: Page 3

Gimli's entrance is slightly +town. I'm also thinking Kawaii is town based on my expectations of new players.

Spoiler: Page 4

TvT vibes from Gimli and FB.

Spoiler: Page 5

bianco question is slightly +scum.

Spoiler: Page 6

Norwee's entrance is +town, Flea's is +scum.

Spoiler: Page 7

Norwee is very town, not for the SK nightkill thing but I do buy that as genuine. Flea 170 could be a lazy pocket.

Spoiler: Page 8

I don't think 181 is +town, the opposite actually. I've found that Mafia are often self-deprecating in this way.

Spoiler: Page 9

DragonEater70 entrance is +town, Cephrir null.

Spoiler: Page 10

STD comes in, nothing to read into really so null.

VOTE: Flea The Magician

VOTE: flea

GODS DAMN IT PUT SOME CLOTHES ON.
Nekkidness everywhere. Yeesh. At least I have me undercrackers on...

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you're the one making associatives already. have I said I was sure you're scum, or have I said I don't believe your reactions to me?

u immediately said i was white knighting for kawaii, which to me was TMI that u knew kawaii was town. I don't know how u come to conclusion i was white knighting when i have not said a word about kawaii.

For all i know ur bussing kawaii but ur reaction tells me thats unlikely.

This is quite bad. Players often accuse others of white-knighting precisely because it seems like they are scum defending a town. Firebringer tries to frame this interaction as if Gimli thought that Firebringer’s scumread of Gimli was scummy, but Firebringer doesn’t acknowledge the possibility that there was a specific characteristic of his scumread that alerted Gimli that Firebringer was white-knighting.
So far, both Gimli and Firebringer seem scummy. Despite this, their interaction doesn’t seem like S/S. This is because of Firebringer’s slightly disingenuous characterization of Gimli’s posts. In my experience, scumpartners who are bussing try to fully understand their scumpartner’s posts before attacking them.

A challenger has appeared...
Can't wait to see you post more, your use of language is intriguing.

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And Cereal kill.

i would never kill cereal.
Thats just barbaric

my mafia kills goes to Norwee

Really starting to get the openwolf vibe from you.

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i don't think im nearly as good at reading u as cephrir tbh

Honestly I don't think StD is good at reading VOTE:Cephrir.

Spoiler: White lies, black dress, brightest of darkness

last time flea was scum fae was really busy so busy always busy never catching up never doing anything never producing reads

but ofc this time it can be NAI

You've had one game with me as scum, and I was caught up pretty regular, in contrast to my usual forever-in-catchup MO of scum in large.
So who's alt are you?

It's also almost like I have a life and health conditions that keep me busy... both of which are actually fairly well documented around the site

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I hate people townreading me, it makes the game harder to solve, but I like the people that did tr me except for cephrir

This type of metacognition tends to come from town.

Cool. You're definitely well seasoned at this, how did you place on the MU tournament championship things?

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VOTE: Flea

Put it away VOTE:Cephrir, nobody wants to see your naked ass... except maybe StD...

You close your tear-stained eyes to your silver-lined madness
After 29 years, you might want to confess
That we have made a fucked-up place that I can not erase

I read through all that performance

I think it was towny

I don't wanna flip flea anymore

1. furtiveglance - idk scum?
2. Save The Dragons - idk
3. biancospino - town
4. Flea The Magician - town
5. KawaiiKame - town
6. Detective Penguin - town
7. Firebringer - town
8. Sail - town
9. Cephrir - idk
10. DragonEater70 - town
11. Gimli - town
12. NorwegianboyEE - idk

all my towns are locktowns

you know what

okay

VOTE: flea

I think we shouldn't flip flea today

VOTE: biancospino

let's try this for a while

All that time of flip flopping and never moving the vote despite calling me town. Yeah ok.

VOTE: flea

I think it's too early for E-1

I think flea is substantially scummier than bianco. what do you think, furtive?

And we're back. No reasoning given.

flea is getting a disappointingly small amount of votes now

is anyone townreading any part of fae's reaction to my suspicion of faer?

anyway I'm ISOing sail now

The push begins.

when I wake up I'll revisit dragon eater and maybe firebringer. I might be clearing them for bad reasons.

I'll also think about this: the way flea is acting now is more or less likely to come from someone who wants to be townread and appease to people as scum, or is it scum irritated with the scumread and flailing, or is it a townie struggling to post cause fae hates d1s?

q's for tomorrow gnight thread

No elaboration ever given. Nothing I'm doing is set to appease town, given I'm a universial SR.

Fae's not even trying to look good or appeasing imho, so that's not (a). I think you're in a bit of a tunnel

fae was. fae's first few posts are definitely some sort of LAMIST posting. it's now just complaining about my SR and complaining about d1, and not doing anything else, which feels a bit like scum losing their ground in the game. ofc I could be wrong... are you townreading flea?

Buzzword attack, no elaboration.

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flea in legends of the hidden temple. it's not crying about d1, in fact it's playing the shit out of it? so.

I'm just voting there and asking other people to vote there. unless you guys wanna flip bianco. unwilling to flip anyone else this gameday. bianco defending flea just makes them look aligned, but it could also be TMI posturing? idk.

I have a POE outside of these two of (STD, ceph, firebringer, penguin). but these are simply 4 players I don't think I can read well and they've all made townie looking posting. so they're not good d1s, IDT.

anyway good morning team

Second game considered, the game where Gimli replaced into a scum slot and lolcatted, didn't even participate in the game.

Not that youd particularly care gimli, I had nancy to bounce off D1 in legends. D1 is my weakest play. Always has been.

of course I care, do you think I want to be wrong? I want to be right, I want to flip scum. if you're town town it up, start making good reads and townhunt.

you have me to bounce reads off of if you want. doesn't need to be in a hood. you didn't know nancy was town so what's the difference?

you think you don't have usable meta, clearly.

I'll dive into you

and sorry for using 'it', for some reason I didn't think I was using a pronoun or something. english is complicated.

Waiting on that dive, there's well over 50 games you get to cherry pick. The only tell I have is the effort I put in. Those who can read me and learned to inverse their reads on me for a true read.

you're making reads in all your town games

here it's like, IDEK what you're doing, but I don't see the reads. you're voting me cause I'm pushing you, okay, but when we talk it's not like you think I'm scum or anything.

who are you suspicious of? who are you townreading?

Anyone who knows me knows I don't give reads. Look at how I play, my reads are quite obviousl.

if std wants to kill flea then I'm not moving my vote elsewhere today

Sheep cycle begins. Strong Associative between Gimli and StD - StD being someone I'm happy enough with my read rate on. StD knowing I can be formiddable when I need to be.

I told you to post reads and you're like *personal stuff* which is fine but it's what you were doing in mutiny too and you were a wolf there

I don't even think I should interact with you anymore, I think we should just flip you and figure out what your d1 meant

if you start playing mafia and posting reads I'll read that

Almost like I have several chronic conditions that affect my day to day life and someone pissed me off by calling me fucking lazy.

Nice reframe though. That was aimed at Norwee, not you. You told me to post reads and I responded directly to you, instead you go for this.

Tell me Dwarf, what do you gain from flipping me? What associatives? What information?
I've been playing mafia from the start. And i'm still not posting reads for you, or for anyone.

The only problem is if I flip, i dont trust town to extract the correct information. Especially if Gimli keeps being loud - self admitted to being bad at mafia and yet still attempts to town lead.

okay but is std and furtive bad? cause they're also scumreading you

are they mafia?

OMGUS framing. Attempting to further depower my vote. Someones shakin in his boots.

Gimli's whole play today has been to get rid of me.
This is either scum scared that i'll lock down on this read because he did his research and knows when I'm hot I'm damned hot, or someone scarred by my wolf game.

Spoiler: Save the Dragons

I've seen flea do this catchup style when fae were scum

I see where you are coming from gimli wrt flea and bianco I just don't know if one game is enough to base a lock town read on

VOTE: flea

Fleas potential scum because fae just tried to impress with a town sounding post but didn't have a ton of substance to it.

Norwee is potential scum because he's not doing anything to advance the game state and he did nothing in business company to do so and he was scum there.

Cephrir is potential scum because I don't like how he reacted to my shove onto him and I think he's doing stuff he does as scum but this is my weakest read

VOTE: cephypoo

VOTE: flea

feeling good with flea :thumbsupemoji:

i think my problem is i do expect flea to do more

and faer kind of like "d1 d1" and it's like...not enough...and the defense is just pinging my scumdar.

This is it. This is all there is.
"I expect flea to do more"
What d'ya want me to do? Dress in drag and do the hula?

The catchup style is NAI, I've done it as both alignments. Music is my strength and my coping mechanism. It works its way into everything I do. Yes even at larp I'll be stood there shouting

In the hour of final judgement
All Father lead my way
When the fire of war reign
I will watch my brothers fall
Our names will be long forgotten
We live on forever
The victorious will rise to the glory of the gods

Brothers of Metal - Yggdrasil

Spoiler: Detective Penguin

Penguin, read on Flea?

i have no idea how to read flea...so solidly null, would shoot.

VOTE: flea

let's see what happens. not super hopeful with the info from this since my wagon is made up of three lolvotes and a vote for proveably wrong reasons but eh.

VOTE: flea

let's see what happens. not super hopeful with the info from this since my wagon is made up of three lolvotes and a vote for proveably wrong reasons but eh.

Is Flea actually scummy to you or null?

Null. We have two days left so it’s time to start consolidating. Don’t really want to yeet bianco and Ceph isn’t getting traction.

Null voter consolidating. Fair enough. I've been wagoned twice at this point I need to flip regardless. Fun fact, Gimli's behind both.

Spoiler: Furtive Glance

I'm not scum. If you give me something to talk about then I'll give it a go

Can you make your famous first ten pages analysis?

yeah I want that too

Spoiler: Page 1

bianco's joke feels a bit forced. Firebringer tunnelling Norwee out the gate might be +town because scum would feel bad about doing that.

Spoiler: Page 2

This is entirely fluff.

Spoiler: Page 3

Gimli's entrance is slightly +town. I'm also thinking Kawaii is town based on my expectations of new players.

Spoiler: Page 4

TvT vibes from Gimli and FB.

Spoiler: Page 5

bianco question is slightly +scum.

Spoiler: Page 6

Norwee's entrance is +town, Flea's is +scum.

Spoiler: Page 7

Norwee is very town, not for the SK nightkill thing but I do buy that as genuine. Flea 170 could be a lazy pocket.

Spoiler: Page 8

I don't think 181 is +town, the opposite actually. I've found that Mafia are often self-deprecating in this way.

Spoiler: Page 9

DragonEater70 entrance is +town, Cephrir null.

Spoiler: Page 10

STD comes in, nothing to read into really so null.

VOTE: Flea The Magician

@std, fair enough. I do agree it was something of a jarring shift in conversation, but still

if

the intent was malicious than surely they should've a reason to reroute the gamestate is all I'm saying

Bad vote on Norwee^

Why was it a bad vote?

Because I TR Norwee

Leaving why the read aside. Whether or not Norwee is town has no bearing on the whereabout of Fire's sandwitch.

That particular vote was not serious and Flea said so faerself, so even if you somehow knew for certain that Norwee was town you are also making the argument that random joke votes to town are more likely than random to come from scum

It was Flea's only real bit of game-advancing content in faer entrance and I didn't like it

I think I have a winning POE already which is unusually early for me

[Bianco, Cephrir, Flea, Penguin, STD]

STD most likely to be town from those

VOTE: bianco

I think it's too early for E-1

I think flea is substantially scummier than bianco. what do you think, furtive?

I have three scumreads - Bianco, Flea and Penguin.

You know how Penguin likes to do his wagonomics votes on every wagon?

He's avoided Flea's wagon, and called faer null when I asked him recently.

I don't like Penguin still, but if people are unvoting then I'll shift my vote

VOTE: Flea the Magician

Voting me basically based on my opening. Honestly probably bad town overall. low chance SK.

Spoiler: VOTE:Cephrir

VOTE: Flea

I like the flea post. Running out of places I currently feel like voting

VOTE: KK

So why are you doing it

i feel like the answer to this is self evident

but if furtive doesn't articulate a reason that voting penguin is actually better than voting flea i'm probably gonna vote flea

VOTE: flea

Sorry, but I'm quite happy with my vote right now. I agree with std

Ceph's another weak D1 player and often eats the elimination for it. Meh, could go either way tbh.

TLDR - Whole lotta nothing. Both scum on this wagon.

Of them, who do you think are the likeliest two? I get Gimli is your top one, but of the others? You seem to exclude furtive and Penguin is "fair enough", so I presume you lean Cephrir or std?

I do agree that Gimli is taking this elimination hostage. But,

bianco feels like safe stancing too much

but like I don't wanna flip flea anymore I think this is too much to be scum so idk

but if you say this is all scum theatre probably then sure

you saying the incertainty here is a façade?

underlined for those on the go

[Cephrir]

VOTE: bianco

keeps asking pointless questions

so you weren't that happy with your vote, ig?

i still think flea is a pretty good vote too

[Cephrir]

I was townreading two slots with shaky reasoning. just by pointing at these slots again, I could see how that was precipitated and how they were both >rand scum.

bianco's and flea's posts afterwards are strengthening that read. of course, doing an associative read this early can be pretty bad,

but I don't think furtive goes 'gimli I'll make you see' about one of his scumbuddies that I'm townreading. so furtive is already at pretty low equity with these two slots.

if they're both town, then maybe furtive can be scum? sure, but I still get towny vibes off him, I still see what he saw re: those slots, so I'm pretty comfortable with writing him off as a townie.

I agree with the bolded, but it is clearly less appealing from my prospective. However, furtive noting that there being a SK lessens the utility of associatives is +t, since that note lessens the validity of your argument.

furtive/std townies and killing scum I think

(bianco, flea) should def contain at least one of them. from std it could be early bussing but I think furtive is just using his detective hat this game

Is it really in our best interest to create 1v1s in this way? If one of me and flea should be voted out and flipped as town, would that strengthen your read that the other is scum?

I just implore you to not just speedchain a Flea lim tomorrow. It's possible I'm wrong and all, so if you find fae scummy whatever, but my gut says town quite strongly.

I also think there is a wolf in {Gimli, Cephrir, Dragon}, whatever.
VOTE: Cephrir

Is it really in our best interest to create 1v1v1s in this way? If one of me, gimli and dragon should be voted out and flipped as town, would that strengthen your read that the others are scum?

[Alianna]

I just implore you to not just speedchain a Flea lim tomorrow. It's possible I'm wrong and all, so if you find fae scummy whatever, but my gut says town quite strongly.

I also think there is a wolf in {Gimli, Cephrir, Dragon}, whatever.
VOTE: Cephrir

I expect scum!bianco to put their partner here and fall for the rule of three

also I think the defense of flea is so extreme that it feels like scum TMIing and also tying themselves up with flea so that when bianco flips red we do actually speedlim flea.

I've re-read dragoneater and I can see why some people suspect the slot. it made some fine looking posts and I've agreed with many of their stances, though.

if cephrir is bianco's partner, it has definitely played it in a way to set himself up for lategame and decided to bus. I think cephrir's case against bianco is very solid and made me feel at home with being on this wagon instead of pushing flea.

otoh I think e.g. furtive is lockclear of being bianco's partner. norwee as well doesn't feel like they're bussing. FBer and sail as well, pending a re-read.

so maybe if bianco is mafia the partner is in (cephrir, dragoneater, flea?, STD?).

anyway I've been accused of hijacking the game and leading town when I'm horrible at mafia, so just to make sure we're clear from this misconception: I am horrible at mafia and I do not intend on leading town. I'm simply posting my thoughts and talking to people and saying who I feel good about voting.

Fwiw I think bussing day 1 in this setup is really bad

[Alianna]

I don't agree that flea or anyone automatically needs to be resolved because of how votes moved no matter what the flip is

[Cephrir]

Good stuff

The chances of SK and mafia both shooting penguin seems pretty bad

I struggle to think of why you make this play as SK so that seems unlikely

[Cephrir]

Do we think rb claims here or nah

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Firebringer

with love

[Cephrir]

9 alive today
lim 1, sk kills 1, i'll assume vig announces their target so they hit the bp and we win, or they miss
6 alive, 1 clear from dietician
lim 1, sk kills dietician
4 alive with roleblocker alive and clear and one clear plus 1 clear from dietician
there's no scenario where roleblocker ever gets two clears or ever dies prior to getting one clear and i don't think we can lose if we coordinate all our night actions

i blocked firebringer

[Cephrir]

it's at minimum very close to auto

[Cephrir]

thought i was safe from at least a roleblock with how much i kept saying i was a cannibal going to eat someone.
I thought i might get guiltied but roleblocked too. Amazin

I think maybe I am unlocking the secrets of reading you

Also thought you'd be fairly likely to submit the action if you were scum

[Cephrir]

I find it amazing how in sync STD and ceph were wrt scumreading FBer

they werent
they both just really wanted to spend time with me and i appreciate it

That too

Furpile uwu

[Cephrir]

Seems like it but in case something goes weird I'll be on KK so @fen don't investigate them

[Cephrir]

You're right we need more votes

[Cephrir]

if that's actually true that's honestly incredible

VOTE: furtive