Open 170 - Bird C9 (Game Over)

[Netlava]

/confirm

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Vote: Eldritch lord

Obvious omgus is obvious

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Unvote

Yeah, didn't notice that it was L-1.

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Is that all you have to offer from your read through?

Vote: Yankee

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Excuses, already?

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Does it look like I'm serious?

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Also, Toro, why did you unvote?

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Excuses post was directed at Yankee.

Anyways, I was asking Yankee why didn't he random vote in a grossly exaggerated fashion. The way you unvoted looked like you were on to something though.

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Netlava, to put someone at L-1 on page one is pretty bad. It could have been a mistake or not. The fact that you unvoted soon after makes me think it was a mistake.

Yeah, your "wow" post seems to reflect this. But why didn't you unvote when you saw the L-1?

[Netlava]

lynch or lose

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Ok, whatever.

Vote: Slepz

He's giving me a scumvibe.

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That's all I need for a lynch, really.

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L-1 is fine if a scum quickhammers and gets caught. Town is actually favored to win in these situations. A 3 person lylo is about 50-50 for scum and town. But with the existence of power roles, town gets the edge.

The problem is, what if town "accidentally" hammers? Someone like... say, me, while not paying attention, might "accidentally" hammer someone... We wouldn't want that to happen, wouldn't we?

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I feel like rolling the dice for no apparent reason.

Original Roll String: 1d7

1 7-Sided Dice: (5) = 5

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@EL & hohum: How scummy would you rate the other guy at this point?

As a disclaimer, I'm not trying to induce tunnel-vision or anything of the sort... but rather for other reasons...

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Yeah, post 85, I was making the threat of "accidentally" hammering. I can see why it's threatening.

To quote posts, just use the tag:

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@hohum: How scummy or not-scummy would you rate the EL at this point? (just trying to figure out where you stand)

@Yankee: You can also use the following:

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To quote a specific person, like "netlava" in this instance, btw.

[Netlava]

Eh, I'm not seeing anything here.

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Right now I'm a bit suspicious of Toro & slepz

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Because they're lurking of course.

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Lurker lynch, anyone?

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Toro, what are your thoughts?

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Take Netlava, he says that he could be one who would possibly hammer. So if that happened, town would probably die D1, a different townie would be offed N1, and then we'd all lynch Netlava on D2, resulting in us losing.

The problem with you using my example is that I know I'm town, but you don't (or do you?), so it's definitely strange when you say this.

[Netlava]

Huh? I quoted you in this game.

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Still doesn't explain how you assumed I was town.

Also, toro, what are your thoughts now that hohum & slepz have flipped town?

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I'm confused

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Vote: Toro

Yeah, I don't think scum would bother coming out and clearing me, plus Toro + EL makes the most sense.

[Netlava]

Well, from my standpoint, it's obvious that Toro & EL are the scumteam. So nothing more to add here. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask.

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Eh, I've decided that I will elaborate and post my case later. Kind of busy atm though.

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It's funny how the last couple of pages read like a scum quicktopic.

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Eldritch Lord - Have a feeling that scum wouldn't vote their own partner calling them out on rolefishing, also seems to disagree plenty with Hohum in this game so far which I don't think scum would be doing with this many players, (scum wouldn't be distancing themselves so much), so far agree with his points.

The POV of this post is that if EL were scum, he wouldn't be bussing hohum. Which is a strange POV to take.

Take Netlava, he says that he could be one who would possibly hammer. So if that happened, town would probably die D1, a different townie would be offed N1, and then we'd all lynch Netlava on D2, resulting in us losing.

Uses my example, which assumes I'm town.

think he was using you as an example of possible town, not confirming your status as town. Toro's really the only one who's posted a big read so far this game, so I'm kind of hesitant to question him.

Defending Toro. Also, is "hesitant" to question Toro. There's no reason to be hesitant to question anything in this game.

I'm more suspicious of you, Netlava. [than Toro]

The "than Toro" bit is presumed, when reading this quote in context. Very curious way to put things.

So I come home from work and just before I drift off to bed I read this topic, open and shut day...nice.

This is what a bluff sounds like. A real cop would be perhaps irritated and worried in this situation.

What I've just quoted should be able to seal the deal, let's get this thing ready to go down D3, though the two remaining townies will be in a real tough situation.

Same as above.

Scumteam's Yankee & Netlava,

Eldritch by not voting you're also saying that you're not hammering your scumbuddy.

If you aren't partnered with Yankee, using your logic, you should vote him seeing how you say you are town.

Need I say more?

Or you...you didn't vote for Yankee.

Telling EL to vote for Yankee, right in the middle of the thread. (coaching) Speaking of which, notice how EL isn't voting for Yankee.

Netlava seems like he's made his mind up, and based on meta, I doubt he'll change it.

Telling Toro not to bother "convincing" me, right in the middle of the thread. (coaching)

Based on his meta? In Open 167 he was convinced I was scummy throughout the whole game until when I called him out on it when he said he "dropped his case."

Responding to EL's post, right in the middle of the thread. (coaching)

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Also,

You know I love you Snix, but I can't risk losing. You really did tack on that extra vote when you were thinking Hohum was just bad town. While no one could've expected the self-hammer, if Netlava was scum, he could've hammered.

Buddying up.

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Also, EL was accusing me of "pushing" the hohum case. Funny thing is, EL was the one pushing the case.

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tl;dr for now, but I highly suggest refreshing a lot, because the quickhammer's coming...

Unvote plz;

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Netlava has to be Scum, If she's town Toro would be dead

I am town and Toro is scum. (I'm male, btw)

Or, if Toro was scum Yankee has to be lying and is a really bad town.

If Toro is scum, Yankee cannot be lying, which means I'm confirmed town.

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The only way I could be wrong is if EL and Toro are scum

EL and Toro are scum.

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All signs in your logic point to a Toro + EL pairing, which you've dismissed for some reason.

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Again, Toro is scum if EL is scum, which would mean that yankee would have more votes (because EL would have instead of waiting for me to vote.)

There's no reason why EL must place his vote first if he were scum. He could wait for your vote and then hammer.

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Also, note that Toro was suggesting EL to vote Yankee earlier.

[Netlava]

Perhaps he wanted to distance from his scumbuddy, Toro.

But it doesn't really make that much of a difference whether he votes immediately or not.

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Only 2 possible scumteams from Snix's perspective: Toro & EL or me & Yankee.

First of all, it wouldn't be my side vs. someone else's. I know you're more experienced than me and I would lose. I would probably try to kill you.

This is WIFOM, though, maybe thats what I want you to think, etc.

WIFOM, indeed.

And @Netlava: Has the mere thought of Yankee being scum ever popped up into your head?

Notice how Toro is still trying to convince me. On the other hand, a townie wouldn't bother trying to convince scum.

I still don't see how your case against me is so strong. I essentially share Snix's reasoning, that one should hold off and wait on voting to make this day a little longer.

I also share Snix's sentiment that Toro is more likely to be cop based on your claims (and their circumstances). So what exactly incriminates me so much more than Snix?

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Now its possible that Snix's town play is better than mine, in fact, highly likely since he's worlds more experienced and introduced me to this game. Still, I wouldn't know if that were the case because you haven't posted any case on me.

More buddying up to Snix.

I mean, we're even left with a very unlikely theoretical here, it might be that neither of you are cop and Toro is trying to save the real cop from claiming. (Note I don't think this is likely AT ALL, I'm fairly certain Toro is the real cop just from claim timing and play)

Random theory meant to confuse people.

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Lastly, let's end with this gem from Toro:

Eldritch by not voting you're also saying that you're not hammering your scumbuddy.

Hmm... what could that possibly mean?

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Pointless, if I were voting for him then I'd just be bussing. Easy point for you to manipulate.

If you were voting for him, it'd be bussing. So by not voting for him, you're not bussing. Either way, both statements imply that you are Toro's scumpartner.

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Your quote was directed at EL.

[Netlava]

Pointless, if I were voting for him then I'd just be bussing.

If you were voting for him, you would normally be either voting scum or mislynching town. However, your quote suggests that you are Toro's scumpartner because you call it "bussing."

[Netlava]

The quote, directed at EL, says:

[quote="Toro"]Eldritch by not voting you're also saying that you're not hammering your scumbuddy.[quote]

It assumes EL has a scumbuddy, and that by him not voting, he's not going to hammer him. At that time, the only player in a position to be hammered was Toro. So, the quote is saying that EL chose not to hammer Toro, his scumbuddy.

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Lol, why bother with 2 confirmed scum trying to twist my words.

If any townies have any questions, feel free to ask.

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If we no lynch, we lose. Someone gets Nightkilled, leaving 2 scum & 2 town = endgame.

Toro & EL could quickhammer "no lynch" at any moment.

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Damn, I thought Snix was trying to spring a trap there =/

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If there were a Mexican standoff though, I'm sure my constant refreshing would be up to the task.

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It would have been brilliant if Snix unvoted in between your vote and Toro's.

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I was town, btw.

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Yeah, maybe I should of tried that. But that would likely seem suspicious to other players.

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Quite a bizarre finish.

Yankee's claim wasn't really ill timed, as I think it's standard practice to massclaim in lylo.

D2 was pretty much all or nothing. I think it could have gone either way.