Open 174- Lovers Mafia (Over!)

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kerbunk in!

Vote: IKD

You wont fool me again

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Were you now?

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who cares XP

Let's wait for the others.

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You sure do have a lot of fingers to spare Keyblade.

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I'm not going to give you ideas XP

Also, do you think your casting suspicion at everyone was reasonable?

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pfeh, L-2 and you're scared?

Unvote
Vote: 12K

feeling better now?

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You can find less useless ways to increase your ppd count Sanjay.

Still waiting on Zazie to chime in or something.

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Unvote
Vote: Sanjay

This one is serious.

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wagonning. both your votes are bandwagon votes.
I could say the same of Zwet, but he's not acting different than any other game where he's town.

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theorically if you've caught one scum you've got the other by suicide reaction.

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Indeed. If we play it right maybe it'll end as quickly as the last one I played in! (Was town, lynched scum day 1)

I've got mixed feelings about Zwet. I hate to say it, but in this situation I can't vote him for being who he is, too close to LyLo XS

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I can see where you're going, but it's a bit early to tell.

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haha...huh...hah?

I'm funny?

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On a slightly more constructive note, hi Zazie ^^

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I didnt

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I could go for a IKD lynch, but I'd much rather get rid of Sanjay.

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well, IKD has more content to analyse and isn't as bandwagon-berserk as you are Sanjay

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because when I exclude myself and the people who I think are scum, lynching him has a 66% chance of netting scum.

And I wouldnt say bandwagonning is scummy, but Sanjay is being fickle as a breeze.

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You are correct Zaz, him = IKD.

I'm just saying when I remove my current town reads from the field of suspect, lynching IKD is a 66% win chance anyways, so I could go for his lynch if push comes to shove.

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I realize this is Dram's question, but I believe he already answered it in post 109, so I'll put in some input as well.
Bandwagoning is scummy when you are doing it just to have a vote on and to increase the votes on someone else. It makes it look like you don't actually have a reason to vote and as if you don't care who is lynched. And all protown players *should* care who is lynched, and therefore shouldn't bandwagon because someone could by mislynched before they can provide a defense.

What type of defense can you even bring up in a lover game? it's not like you can claim or anything <<

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Not what I meant. I'm just saying it's harder to convince people not to lynch you in a lover game.

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Right now my gut says buddy is most likely Zwet or IKD.

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Unvote
Vote: IKD

Let's see what happens now...

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Sorry to break it to you Zwet, but I robbed your hammer already

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It's way more than you're supposed to say.

Sanjay, once the day 1 ends I'm voting you, fyi ^^

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he's dead already.

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Allright, so...

Vote:Sanjay

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What about option 3, I think you're scum?

I'll unvote anyways.

unvote

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the fact they have daytalk.

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ja
*caw caw*

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Not pushing Sanjay? My vote has been on him for the vast majority of the game, barring the hammer and since then a vote in the wrong place could result in a scum quicklynch due to the daytalk synchro argument.

It's not like I think he's town, but I'm not seer, so i can't vote with the full assurance that I'm not wrong.

Also, I hammered IKD because it seemed a fwe members of the town considered him the scummiest and he was my second scum read, so why not lynch him?

Also, the players were less... vote-hysteric(?) in the last game.

Also, yes, there was daytalk in my last game too (and I should have considered it, considering the absense of nights. However I'm naturally inclined to think the common way.

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daytalk hadn't even crossed my mind.

On one hand, your assessment is correct, on the other in lover games I workely hunt on gut feeling. Unfortunately, that's not something you can defend again or something I can elaborate.

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Pushing isn't the same as voting. When you push for somebody's lynch, you're trying to convince others to vote the player you want lynched. You didn't do so. How come?
Also, in case I forgot to ask you, your reason for voting Sanjay was based upon bandwagoning. So why didn't you point me out?

I could push and say "lynch Sanjay, my gut says he's scum!" Not convincing at all <<

If you're not sure, then I wouldn't expect such determination. In this case, you lynched somebody who you thought was scum. Yet, after he was lynched, you stated that

once

day 1 was over, you'd vote Sanjay. No doubt in it at all. Eventhough stating you can't be sure. You were leaning scum on him. So I would expect statements of how the game is over or what happens in case it's not over yet, but not a statement what will happen after his lynch.
Your statement of being unsure and your statement after David's lynch don't match.

Hope for the best prepare for the worst. I'm not one to go "yeah, we won!" before the lynch is announced and I'll continue saying my thoughts for the next day til it is.

Because he wasn't your top suspect. (Need to look at your other Lovers game as I thought you did the same there)
And to make it worse, you hammered him immediatly. Not giving him a chance to defend himself against Sanjay's vote.
And even more worse, you never joined the discussion around David.

Does it really matter? At the very least half is wagon was town, I wouldn't complain about a town-approved lynch. Once again, I'm confortable with following town-consensus in exchange of a non-stalling game

Why state this?

Adapt to your surrounding.

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So what's causing these gut feelings?

His play. I can't shake the feeling it's scummy.

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Pushing isn't the same as voting. When you push for somebody's lynch, you're trying to convince others to vote the player you want lynched. You didn't do so. How come?
Also, in case I forgot to ask you, your reason for voting Sanjay was based upon bandwagoning. So why didn't you point me out?

I could push and say "lynch Sanjay, my gut says he's scum!" Not convincing at all <<

You stated before that you hunt based upon gut in Lovers game. If this is true, I don't see where the problem lies as you did push for lynches during the other game. What's the difference between these two games?
Also, there were two questions in my quote. Why didn't you answer the other?

1. Nothing that would affect how I push I admit
2. Sorry, I didnt understand the earlier question. Restate it please?

Hope for the best prepare for the worst. I'm not one to go "yeah, we won!" before the lynch is announced and I'll continue saying my thoughts for the next day til it is.

Will meta to see if this is shown in one of your past games.
You can help by linking to past games, preferably only those where you were present around Mylo and/or Lylo.

Well, MyLo I push no lynches anyways, LyLo I'll see what I can find.

Does it really matter? At the very least half is wagon was town, I wouldn't complain about a town-approved lynch. Once again, I'm confortable with following town-consensus in exchange of a non-stalling game.

Yes, it does matter. Otherwise, I wouldn't be pointing this out.
Also, not liking the last sentence as this game wasn't stalling at all. Heck, you even interrupted discussion with your vote.

I know it wasn't stalling, it's a theorical case. Also, I don't believe I interrupted much

Why state this?

Adapt to your surrounding.

Please elaborate as I still don't understand.

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In a more relaxed town, I play more relaxed, in a more votecrazy town, I'm votecrazier.

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Of course you know my attitude. But if you're town you don't want to put anyone in scum quickhammer range.

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Correction, I only voted IKD when he was in hammer range.
I was staying on the site and would have unvoted when a vote would have appeared.
It's still a gut feel. His badnwagonning doesn't seem genuine.

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Not sure I understand your question, but I wouldn't have voted IKD if not to hammer.

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Because I'd have prefered a Sanjay lynch.

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Your reasons for voting Dramonic please.
And why a quick vote when we're in Lylo?

Those questions.

And why would I have left someone who could potentially be scum alive "just cuz" he's not my top suspect? It's silly.

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Cause he's not at a risk of getting scum to pile on his vote because he's one of them

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And why would I have left someone who could potentially be scum alive "just cuz" he's not my top suspect? It's silly.

Because you prefered Sanjay? That preferment should have been strong as you only wanted to hammer David.
With this said, can you please tell something about your previous lovers game? Because you had no problems there putting your second suspect at L-1.

Well, a much longer time lapse happened before I changed my vote in the other game. I would have remained on my main suspect if it weren't for creating some action. Here however, I wouldn't have put IKD at L-1, since stuff was happening either way. Doesn't mean I'm not willing to hammer. If Far_Cry had been at l-1 in the other game I'd probably hVE HAMMered too.

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not that serious, as shown by the smiley, but still kinda serious...

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The likelihood that either me or Malp is scum is much higher.
That or the scumteam are sneaky bastards.

I'll go for Malp likely to be scum.

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Never thought I'd hear someone say that XP

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should be able?

I'll be surprised if he writes a paragraph...

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The likelihood that either me or Malp is scum is much higher.
That or the scumteam are sneaky bastards.

I'll go for Malp likely to be scum.

and by potential scum I'm going with my reads.

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actually, I retract that part. They being sneaky bastard would be sneaky but futile.

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I was considering the fact that they aren't hammering even though they could to appear real town... but if they hammer they'd end the game with their victory, so no point in doing that.

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looks like me and Sanjay are the only one who care about your questions XD

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im not?

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Huh, I could have sworn I did...

Vote: Malp

err,

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forgot to remove the err, ><

was going to write vote scum, err, vote malp, but decided agaisnt it.

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forgot to remove the err, ><

was going to write vote scum, err, vote malp, but decided agaisnt it.

why?

thought it was silly.

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Do you really believe that?

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He no longer seems scummy.

From my point of view he's obvscum.

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Malp seems fresh for a prod.

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11) I am expecting all of you to be active. If a player goes without a post for 72 hours, they will recieve a prod, and if there is no reply to the prod (or no posting in thread) within two days, you will be put up for replacement. I am not perfect at spotting these, so don't be afraid to let me know if I miss someone.

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Well, of course it's harder to say someone is scummy when all they do is lurk.

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it takes 3 minutes to say why you want to vote someone, but 3 hours to make up an excuse.

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sarcastic, maybe. Experienced...?

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=_=

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nevermind...

It can mean you're scum if you want.

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*cough*cuz he's scum with malp*cough*

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This game needs to end soon, it's stalling really hard. You can self-vote Malp, we wont blame you for giving up as scum

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Zaz may be scum. However, Malp is scum for sure.

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that and it supposes you are confirmed town.

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Well, since you're not in a confirmed pair of scum-town with someone, your alignment doesnt depend on someone else.

Malp MUST be different than me, and that's correct in anyone's point of view.

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Can you agree that it's obvious me and Malp arent the same alignment?
Can you agree that you and Zaz could potentially be the same alignment (barring the fact you think she is scum)?

If you say yes to both, sure I'm making sense.

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which are you answering no to?

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tsk, toldja!

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grumble.

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yeah, I am. I'm a bit sad bout the Zaz vote is all ^_^;

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