farside gave herself the newbcard in her first post. However, her attacks on Scien make it clear that she intends to not use said newbcard.Maemuki wrote:Explain, please. It makes me think that you suspect Scien now, yet you're voting YJ. Which one is scummier? Why?
So we agree that it is a nulltell, then.Wulfy wrote:Bullshit. Look at the track record and her standing. Clearly that was to force players off their guard by luring them into attacking her because she could easily defeat them in arguments, I'm sure. This would be an interesting move as either side which means it tells nothing of alignment but of her clever play style. And yes, you will read walls and analyze and play hardcore or you will get lost, lose interest, and replace out. Or be zwetschenwasser. Either way, you better be the first or this will be a long, tedious, and boring game.
No, EB unvoted Maemuki before Wulfy voted Maemuki. They both put her at L-3.Zazie wrote:Uhm, what? Wulfy's vote against Maemuki put Maemuki at L-2.
So being the only one to not post after six hours makes me a lurker, eh?EB wrote:Nikanor was the first person on the list that hadn't yet posted (and the first one period) and I didn't see any other appealing wagon. So it was a little arbitrary (in selection) and a lot policy (as to why).
I'm not putting words in your mouth, it was implied that you had called me a lurker.EB wrote:I believe my reasoning was clear and verifiable: "for not posting yet." Don't put words in my mouth: I didn't call you a lurker, I worked proactively to ensure you wouldn't become one. As I recently told Scien, it's better to vote for a weak reason than nothing at all. Of course I wouldn't lynch you for taking 6 hours to post; but a lone vote hardly put you in any danger of that. It did, however, give you something solid to respond to in your first post and maybe made you a little nervous if you were intentionally waiting - way more productive than voting for my favorite avatar or some such nonsense.
What? I see no request for explanation.EB wrote:Curiously, I'm thinking the same thing about you - you've completely ignored my reason for voting for you and request for an explanation, and instead blown a barely-not-random vote wildly out of proportion to derail the conversation.
Your post 26 was a random vote. While I don't agree that a random vote at that time was completely unacceptable, I will say that this FoS of yours is rather weak.Wulfy wrote:*bites* You place me in a basket with someone I'm attacking? Did you even read my post or see the first line of my statement (involving dog acting) and just ignore it?FoS at the Octopus.
It was meant as a condescending remark, actually.EB wrote:But then why mention it at all?
If you're referring to me, I can tell you that I don't have the time or patience to respond to the crap you both are spewing. I haven't even read most of it. If you want me to respond to it, I will.farside wrote:Not true. Most people responded to the arguement there are a few staying out of it and trust me I'm notice those that are.
Yeah. No intention to lynch means no pressure. Asking questions is better. I agree with you on the philosophy of why the FoS is useless. But if you agree with me on that, why did you even bother using an FoS in the first place?Wulfy wrote:FoS are, as a whole, entirely pointless.
Scien wrote:Nikanor - He seemed to actively look outside of the me vs Farside, and seems to have found an early connection between EB and Maemuki.
You call that negative?Everyone else I am either deliberately avoiding commenting further on due to them being named Farside, or me having nothing negative to question about.
Even though I'm reading through another game right now, I have an open tab with my watched topics. I hit refresh on that tab at least once every five minutes, meaning it takes me forever to read anything.Wulfy wrote:I think you are behind because you want to be.
I do not see anything in ODDin's p56 that is 'twisting things that are not fact.' I believe you are referring to the part where he quotes this line of yours:farside wrote:Did you not even read my reason's for the vote? That is not OMGUS. OMGUS is I vote you for voting me. That is clearly not the case. Again you twist things that are not fact.
I can see you haven't played in a while.farside wrote:
I notice that very few scum now how to be aggressive in the beginning of the game. They either followers, or they hem and haw or backtrack or make wishy washy comments. I don't go after the agressive person. typically scum watches, waits and doesn't do much else.
In other words, this is totally, totally wrong. I see overaggressive scum more than I see overaggressive town.1) I take this as you saying your vote on Scien had gone stale, so you went back to stuff you had already commented on on page three to get a new vote.farside wrote:1) I was arguing with scien at the time and frankly focused on that more then others.
2) your case is'nt weak it's a fabrication and a twisting of words
3) you are calling it OMGUS which is not the case and when I read what you write I see nothing so far that shows you read what I wrote. You focus on one comment but not the whole thing. You pick out things and twist into something it's not. Hench my vote on you. It has nothing to do with your case on me. It's how you word things to make it more scummy when if you read everything stated it can be interputed any way but you put it as scummy.
Once again I find you twisting words which I see scummy.
I see OMGUS as an attempt to discredit your attacker by making him look scummy, thus discrediting his argument. This is what you appear to be doing.farside wrote:2) How is is OMGUS?
Clarify?farside wrote:3) I will do that in my next post but the fact you bring up the first one that is my initial issue and just push it off as not twisting words which others have mentioned really make me leary of you
This is what you appear to be doing as you are not providing adequate justification for your vote. Nowhere do you prove, attempt to prove, or even take steps toward an attempt to prove the hypothesis that ODDin is twisting your words.Nikanor wrote:I see OMGUS as an attempt to discredit your attacker by making him look scummy, thus discrediting his argument. This is what you appear to be doing.
This is the main thing I was talking about, because I looked back at the quote in question and I saw the possibility of an ulterior motive as well.In post 91, ODDin wrote:Also, I don't think my quote of farside is twisting her words. All I said is what I felt when I read that (yes, I felt that even though knew it technically came as a reply to a question on the subject). That's what I felt, so I wanted to let the town know I feel that. I'm not saying I'm certain this is the case, but people need to be aware that that post by farside might have had an ulterior motive, so to speak.
You still need to clarify this.farside wrote:3) I will do that in my next post but the fact you bring up the first one that is my initial issue and just push it off as not twisting words which others have mentioned really make me leary of you
I like my version better. C:Wulfy wrote:Wrong, that is a version of the chainsaw defense, usually done by someone else. However, it is legitimate, in my book, for two people to point out why the others are scummy. Omgus, on the other hand, is strictly voting someone for no reason than they voted you. For example:
Person A: B is scummy for reasons X, Y, and Z.
Person B: OMG! U SUCK! I am town, and since now townie would vote a townie, A is scum! VOTE B! DIESCUMDIE!
I wasn't trying to defend you, first of all. I suppose I probably should have waited until you answered to comment on that, but I wanted to understand the argument between farside and yourself, as it looked to me as if she was making stuff up.ODDin wrote:Post 235 by Nik and the ensuing discussion is disturbing me quite a bit. He's answering instead of me for things directed specifically at me and defending me. This looks an awful lot like buddying.
Sorry? It's nice for you to acknowledge that I am scumhunting and not falsescumhunting, though.It's okay if you're town and think farside's arguments against me are wrong - but I'd expect you to wait for me to answer before saying anything. Otherwise, you're basically handing me a defence. What if I'm scum and these statements by farside would've tripped me and caused me to slip up?
This is very poor scumhunting there.
I don't see this. At all. Explain please.rbt wrote:Fuzzy was lurking until he started gathering votes. Then pulls out an AtE, which is a huge scumtell. ODD is scum for his clear and blatant coaching of Fuzzy, and thanks for continuing to confirm it with your defense of him.
No it's not. Where are you getting that? From the way Haylen has told us the roles were picked, it's very much possible for both masons/monks to be scum. The likelihood of that happening is only about 2.5%, though, and depending on the faction you're talking about, the probability may be higher (it's more likely for both mafia to be monks than for both wolves to be masons).rbt wrote:For the record, it is impossible in this setup for both of the masons to be scum.
I actually thought my vote had carried to rbt, not Canada. Also, THANK YOU~Mae wrote:@ Nikanor, do you still think that Canada's the scummiest person on here? You're still with your random vote on. Also, HAPPY BIRTHDAY NIKANOR~
. While I agree with you, I'm saying that it is possible for both monks/masons to be scum, or even for all of the power roles to be scum. We don't know whether the mod would reroll in such a situation, so it would be foolish to put it off as impossible.Scien wrote:
Er, I'm pretty sure having multiple masons as anti-town is impossible. It should have been an invalid case and rerolled if that happened.
I still don't get where you think it's impossible from that post. I agree that we should look for clarification, though.Scien wrote:I think saying that the impossible is possible based purely on that post is probably not wise either and we should get clarification.
Wow.(Emphasis mine) farside wrote:Ignores everything says I'm not paying attention and blows it off.
Nice how are you not scum again and what have you done that is town?
Also why is it you completely ignore oddin or even scum huntting till someone calls you out or it's close to day end?
) The only way what happened d1 would happen again is if a claim actually did something. And if a claim is enough to stave off a lynch, I can't see how that would be a bad thing.Benmage wrote: I cant phathom a claim doing anything. Nor do i want what occurred D1, besides Oddin's ignoring this game.
You don't think of me as a very good player? I'm offended.EB wrote:Outing Maemuki last night also took a very good player, I think: on a night when finding opposing scum was critical, the mafia correctly targeted a player that had barely spoken - either a major risk or someone noticed a tell that the rest of us didn't see.
Actually, I think it was a slip.EB wrote:Why would my statement imply you aren't scum with farside? That actually goes directly against my theories.
I explained why I thought you were scum yesterday. With Scien's flip, you're even more scummy than you were previously.farside wrote:I wish people like Nik had to do something like that nice to see no one call him out on his opportunist vote with nothing that says why he thinks I'm scum.
She looked inquisitive and generally pro-town on day one. She kind of died on day two, but my town read on her from day one still persisted.Benmage wrote:Because i dont know how you get such a strong read off her 10 lines of play...
I have now.Benmage wrote:have you seen her scum play to confirm that its different?
This is why I hate the English language. :s I thought you meant that Benmage and I (who you were accusing of being scumbuddies) were ganging up on EB as mafia. I read mafia in your above statement as the noun that was trying to create a mislynch.farside wrote:I did comment on the fact Benmage could be mafia with Nik trying to create a mislynch of a monk using WIFOM but yeah thanks for missing that point completely.
Again, a misunderstanding. :/farside (Emphasis mine) wrote:You and nik mafia. You(plural)tried like crazy to get a Monk lynched that you know to be town.
I said in my longer scumlist why I put you down as scum as opposed to town. I still haven't read those text walls, and I don't intend to do so. The biggest reason for why I called you both town in that post was because of your activity (probably not the best judge of townieness, but whatever). Why exactly is the fact that I changed my mind scummy?farside wrote:Oh what a finkle mind to change so easily with no reason.
I don't see the piggybacking. Care to point it out?farside wrote:I notice lots of piggy back's that Nik uses in such a case as this:
Not true. You even say later in your post that I scumhunted on RBT, and earlier in your post that I called both you and Scien town early on in the game. This quote smells heavily of bullshit.farside wrote:Mind you this is the first post that nik even mentions anyone as for as who is scum or town:
What's your point? Hunting for town is just as important as hunting for scum, especially when the scum (you and Benmage, for example) is better at avoiding being scumhunted than I am at scumhunting.farside wrote:Longer reason's found here: As you can see nothing remotely scum hunting in this post.
I'm not the only one who refused to accept Benmage's calls for SK to be lynched. I gave my own reason for why I thought Ben was wrong about SK's supposed scumtell, just as you and others did. How is my defense of SK different from the defense you and others gave?farside wrote:deflecting and protection SK here:
When he voted hewitt, he tried to get masons lynched. When he called SK probscum without actually voting him, he was avoiding lynching monks.farside wrote:Also where did Oddin attempt to lynch the mason?
Did you ever ask for any proof? No, you didn't. So don't try to play the 'you didn't give any proof!' card, as I would have gladly provided had you asked for it.farside wrote:In short Niknor has done little to nothing all game long. He ask for proof from me but never once provided proof of anything he has said so far this game, what little he comments on.
This is wrong. But that's just opinion, and not worth arguing. I'm more concerned by the following:farside wrote:To find town you need to figure out scum.
I did put reasons for why I thought people were town/scum. The fact that I was wrong about Benmage being town has nothing to do with how scummy I am, unless you want to argue that I'm a werewolf. Is that where you're trying to go with this, or are you just throwing things out to try to question the validity of all my arguments?farside wrote:What in that post shows anything remotely showing why (except me or scien) you thought a person was scum or town? Didn't you have Ben as town in that post (looks,,,yup)
Why not now? (Reads the next two pages) Why have you still not answered?farside wrote:saving this to answer later
How does this have anything at all to do with my question?farside wrote:Because I'm looking for scum partners and I don't see anyone else that is doing that.
ODDin can say he found it a cheap shot, but that doesn't mean I believe that as his actual motivation for doing things. My second point is that at the time, ODDin was voting for hewitt. And this is day two we're talking about; nobody voted RBT at that time.farside wrote:No Oddin found it a cheap shot. What's your second point there? Can you show where Oddin was trying to vote out the mason. As far as I found in a brief moment was he voted for RBT in the end.
