Open 257 - SCIENCE! (game over, scum wins!)

[gandalf5166]

/confirm

[gandalf5166]

/confirm!

pre vote gandalf

Tsk tsk. Claiming scum already?

[gandalf5166]

I agree with the policy lynch, and I'll tell you why: We're going to lynch him. It's just a matter of when. Crazy, he has selfhammered as town in LyLo.

VOTE: DMSIS

[gandalf5166]

Note my sig, not liking andrew. I've seen his scum play before, and it's always chock-full of cognitive dissonance.

[gandalf5166]

I'd be fairly confident in putting Andy at L1, if nobody has any problems. His attack on edmund is retarded.

[gandalf5166]

Yeah, everyone should unvote now, andrew claimed town! Cause scum would claim scum, so now he's confirmed.

[gandalf5166]

No. SRS FAICE WUZ SRS!?!?!?!??!?!?!??

[gandalf5166]

So....... we replace a flaker with another flaker?

[gandalf5166]

Oh, I like bv. I just have an experience of him flaking 100%. Except for once, and he was only in that game for about a week.

[gandalf5166]

It's shotty's normal play, and a shotty town tell if there is such a thing. Pay no heed. When andy flips scum, we'll lynch him tomorrow.

[gandalf5166]

No. We lynch Shotty now, and once he's gone, then we move to finding his partner. Your defence of Shotty is noted, though.

Okay, bv is scum. Maybe, maybe not scum with shotty, but scum regardless. Not once so far has it actually been implied that shotty is scum. His lynch is policy, and in all bv's other posts, he acknowledges that. So. Either andrew/bv or bv/shotty. Am I voting andrew? Or should I hammer?

[gandalf5166]

Why wouldn't he defend you? /puzzled look

[gandalf5166]

I like everybody to check in and state their opinions before I hammer. In everybody's next post, I want them to state clearly whether they believe andy will flip scum or town.

[gandalf5166]

He. Will. Flip. Town. If he flips scum, you can go ahead and lynch me tomorrow.

Eh. Now that you've said this, I'll probably do the opposite. Lynch you if he flips town, and save you for D3 if he flips scum. If you were scum with andy, you would know that now is a bad time to defend him quite so adamantly.

[gandalf5166]

Wait, you claimed mason? When? Who are you masons with?

[gandalf5166]

unvote:
VOTE: andrew

mod edit: yeah I added the unvote cause i'm anal

[gandalf5166]

LOLOLOLOLOL
Andy, you play scum terribly. Why would your buddy NK me?

[gandalf5166]

O HAI GUIZ.
Mason death=suckfest.
Also, WTF happened to andrew claiming scum postdeath?
Also:

the person to use rvs as a reason to unvote flipped scum

With this kind of logic Andrew has claimed VI/scum. I'll join the Andrew wagon.

VOTE: Andrew94[/quote]
This wagon entrance is bad. He's "claimed VI/scum"? Way to fencesit thar.

[gandalf5166]

Andrew, and BV. BV's talking in absolutes without any reasons was Baaaaaaaad.

[gandalf5166]

BV moreso, however.

[gandalf5166]

Yes. The last mason should only claim if he gets lynched by FoS count. Which is of course how we will run this day. Keep FoS count, when a player reaches a lynch, they claim, and then we proceed accordingly. The mason being alive in 3-man would be very useful. And when I said andrew, I meant edmund, sorry.

[gandalf5166]

FoS Edmund

[gandalf5166]

un FoS
FoS Edmund...

that hammer really just doesn't sit well with me at all.
Also he is lurking

Dr......... Explain your original FoS of bv, in your own words. Chop chop.

[gandalf5166]

I thought he was calling for a PL in LyLo

Acceptable answer. Now tell me if there's anything that you find suspicious about edmund besides what I quoted.

[gandalf5166]

Edmund needs to get his ass in here and post.

True dat, but I would rather he didn't until shotty posts. I'm trying to get a read here.

[gandalf5166]

@Gand, nope not really. He hasn't done much other than that

You're scum then. You specifically said that what YOU found suspicious was the hammer. Not to mention, it isn't hard to go through his ISO and put some stuff together to explain your suspicion.

VOTE: DMSIS

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Namely his wiki-scumhunting. I would have accepted even a weak case from you, but by contradicting yourself AND not bothering to put together a case, you've sealed your fate. I would have accepted even a simple "oh, it's gut+his lurking" response. I quoted edmund about his BW hop. And I assume that by hammer you mean his L1 vote?

[gandalf5166]

i didn't contredict myself at all!!!!

I asked you if you thought anything was scummy other than his vote switch to andy early D1("what I quoted"). And you said that there was nothing, even though you had previously commented on his "hammer"(AKA L1 vote).

[gandalf5166]

Hm. Still bad, even if you take away the contradiction. He only has nine posts, but it's not like they're one-liners. Making analysis beyond "oh, he voted" is not hard.

[gandalf5166]

Gandalf unvote now if the scum get on(unless you are one of them) I will be lynched and it's game over!
I can't make a good case because he hasn't done much, hence i haven't voted him yet

Oh. I voted. That was genuinely a mistake.

Unvote

FoS DMSIS

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Gandalf unvote now if the scum get on(unless you are one of them) I will be lynched and it's game over!
I can't make a good case because he hasn't done much, hence i haven't voted him yet

Yes, but you can make a case. There's always a case. Or else you know your FoS is wrong and you're just bandwagoning for the hell of it?

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cases are scummy

For those reading along, I said this(with context that didn't make it seem quite so ridiculous) in a recent game where me and shotty were scum together. He's making a joke in an attempt to buddy with me so I'll unvote.

[gandalf5166]

And now he sees that I'm calling him out on his attempt, so he backs off. But still doesn't provide a case.

[gandalf5166]

Cases write themselves Gand man, and right now I am waiting for ed to get on so i can get him to talk

He currently has nine posts. In all this time we've spent arguing, you easily could have gone into his ISO and added a comment or two.

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Fine I already ISO'd him if you want what I think I'll give it to you hold on

This is an outright lie. If he had ISO'd edmund already, why would he hold back his process? That's called non-transparency, and it's scummy. I think I actually have a valid read on shotty.

[gandalf5166]

Lol IIoA

[gandalf5166]

My point is, he tells us what Edmund did, but he makes no attempt to tell us why edmund did it, such as town motivations, scum motivations, etc. Which is the definition of scumhunting.

[gandalf5166]

You did absolutely no such thing.

[gandalf5166]

Edmund, you're really doing your best to help out the scum, aren't you?

[gandalf5166]

Also, Crazy needs a cattle prod in the backside.

[gandalf5166]

My top scum pick is Gandalf.
1. I didn't like the way he simply followed Thor Day 1, first on the policy lynch then on the Andrew wagon.

Excuse me for following good wagons. You can't always be the first person to vote.

2. Day 1 he is first absolutely sure he will lynch shotty, then bv, but starts Day 2 with trying to vote me. He is completely erratic and to me it looks like he's trying any wagon to see which one will stick.

That's the way I play. I start wagons, and either keep off them or jump on depending on the reactions they garner.

3. This post sound to me like concealed scum gloating over the NK choice:

O HAI GUIZ.
Mason death=suckfest.

Just........ Just shut up.

4. He makes a lot of mistakes, first mistaking me and andrew, then votes after cautioning about voting. This makes me think he doesn't need to concentrate because he already knows who his enemies are.

This part's just funny. I don't think anybody in this game needs to be told why.

FoS: Gandalf

I would like a mass-claim today. Sure a confirmed town is good in 3-man LyLo - but it is also good in 5-man LyLo. And scum are in a better position than town to guess PR because they can exclude 2 people and can avoid confusing PR-tells with scum-tells.

Yes, but what's the point in the mason claiming if there's no desire to lynch him?

This post is FULL of rolefishing. Like, FULL of it.

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so ed is really scummy, but you are FoS'ing me? hmmm

You can only lynch one scum at a time. But then, you ARE shotty. So I guess we could take out the more readable scum first.

FOS Edmund

[gandalf5166]

God I hate opens.

[gandalf5166]

I'll explain tomorrow if I can, okay?

[gandalf5166]

No, he's not. THERE IS NO NEED FOR THE MASON TO CLAIM UNLESS HE IS GOING TO BE LYNCHED.

[gandalf5166]

Oh ya, true, because then in lylo we have one confirmed and then he has a 50/50 chance. TRUE!

vote edmund

We would stille have a 50% chance, but I'd much rather be in a situation where I deal with a crossvote.

[gandalf5166]

BTW, "rolefishing" was probably the wrong word. I'll explain tomorrow if I can. DMSIS is making me nervous about my edmund read. >.>

[gandalf5166]

Crazy's probably town. It's just a matter of ed or shotty, then we can lynch bv tomorrow. I think that shotty knows too much by this point. But I have a question for edmund. At this point, either you or shotty is scum. You know that it isn't you, so why haven't you voted for shotty?

[gandalf5166]

Oh. I thought that was an FoS............ >.>

[gandalf5166]

I like edmund's justification for waiting to vote in that post. I'll probably end up voting shotty. Just need edmund to say something...... I'm looking for something in particular. If he's town he'll know what it is.

[gandalf5166]

Okay, edmund is town. That's what I wanted you to say Also: If shotty is town, we're screwed anyways. It would have to be a Crazy/edmund scumteam, which I highly doubt.

[gandalf5166]

There is the possibility that BV is just lurking too hard to come in and hammer. But then, once again, we're screwed anyways.

VOTE: shotty

[gandalf5166]

OH MY FUCK IM NOT DEAD. I figured edmund all but outed me yesterday, by connecting me with Thor so hard. So yeah, I'm the mason. Crossvote and all.

[gandalf5166]

Nah, CCing would have been stupid. My interactions with Thor D1 make it pretty obvious that I was the mason. Now make cases on each other. I'm pretty sure where my vote will go, but I want to be sure.

[gandalf5166]

Can't read that now, but I would like bv to respond to it, as well as write his own case, of course.

[gandalf5166]

BV has posted like 25 times elsewhere since his last post here, and I

know

he got that massprod just like I did.

This post comes from town.
VOTE: BV

[gandalf5166]

The wording was townish, and I was frankly quite tired of waiting for you. I probably would have voted for you anyways.

[gandalf5166]

The game's over, regardless of the flip.
The post just didn't seem aggressive enough to come from scum in a LyLo situation. But like I said, I had other reasons for voting you, and I was tired of waiting for you. So are you scum fucking with us, or actually town?

[gandalf5166]

Yeah, no way town would have lurked so hard in LyLo. He would have at least popped in to say "I'm busy" or whatever.

[gandalf5166]

This game...... Seriously bv, WHY didn't you post?

[gandalf5166]

Well, I'm glad Thor didn't come in and yell at me for getting it wrong >.>