Open 258 --- Night Watch --- Game Over

[jasonT1981]

RVS (random voting stage) is what we are doing now. We're pretty much just voting for random reasons just to get the ball rolling. Bandwagons are usually formed to put early pressure on others and see how they react. Once we get some suspicions and discussions going, then we'll back out of RVS.

Another thing to do is RQS (random question stage).

Another RQ: Since I feel this may be an issue this game, what is everybody's stance on policy lynching?

Vote:Zdenek

OK, RVS vote made I will get down to business

Never been a fan of policy lynches to be honest, I prefer to lynch based on evedince against someone. RQS is something I have only seen a few times but it is an efficient way of starting a game and probably gets more discussion than a RVS given how people respond to questions.

[jasonT1981]

Sure, why not

unvote
vote: Shotty

Lynch all lurkers is a fail policy in my eyes... People don't always get to post every 5 minutes etc and are not always online. I post as often as I can but am not always about the site. I too prefer to wait for people to be replaced if it comes to that because a new person coming in can offer up a fresh prepective on things and might catch something missed by others.

I would not support a lynch on a VI... simply because he/she also has a vote that can help the town. lynching a 'Idiot' is a safe clause for scum to easily hop on knowing they will glide safely by into the night with the attention on the VI.

[jasonT1981]

policy lynching = epic fail

So, jason, how about a shotty or joystick wagon?

Did you really just do this sir???
God not only did you just epicly sheep, but what am I at L-1 now? or is it L-2?

Who am I sheeping? I'm just trying to get people talking about something other than policy lynches, which we should agree is a crappy option.

That said, Jason why did you vote shotty?

I have played with Shotty quite a bit but never with Joystick, I felt I could get a better read on Shotty than I could on JS by bandwagoning him

[jasonT1981]

meh, i was asking for opinions. The fact that jason didn't give any looks kind of bad. BTW, wouldn't jason be sheeping me?

New reads: shotty and CKD are town, joystick is scum

UNVOTE: shotty
VOTE: joystick

I thought the vote was my opinion... Giving my reasons right then (that I know Shotty better than JS) would have been a mistake as it would have changed how Shotty reacted to the vote. If he knew I was doing it to see how he would react my vote would have been pointless.

[jasonT1981]

hmmm not too sure on that JS...VT claims often end up being lynched... can you link us to some games you played on this other site? I have played off-site too for many years see it completly the opposite of what you are saying both here and offsite.

Why are you a fan of quick lynches? surely it does not give the town much info to go on going into day 2? quick lynches only serve to benefit scum in most cases. Do you disagree?

Also, why do you support the lynch of claimed VTs? just out of curiousity?

In the games I have read through on this site, people don't seem to be a fan of lynching VTs on day one, I saw one game where a guy was pushing it and everyone called him scum

so I learned it's best to keep my personal beleifs to myself.

Can we see this game, please?

Most scum in my experience wont claim VT and will end up claiming a PR to draw out the real Power Role to help their scum buddies.

[jasonT1981]

*facepalm* You miss my point, but fine.

To answer my own question: A

TM I would go for Joystick, not because I think he's scum but because I'm getting a town read on shotty.

Again this question is completely hypothetical.

Not liking this at all.... he would go for JS not because he thinks he is scum.. but because he thinks someone else is town? its like your saying Shotty and JS are our only options, maybe I am reading youy wrong but this is how it is coming across.

unvote
vote:nameloc

[jasonT1981]

Actually,

unvote

Just realized your previous question was who to go for between the pair.

[jasonT1981]

@everyone - Just to throw a question into the mix:
Do you think your read of a player should take into account their experience?

not 100% sure what you mean here... (its like 4am here lol) do you mean how long they have been playing? if that is the case you have to be careful as I have seem so many scummy players skate by on the 'Newbie' card were people will cast their scumminess aside because they are new.. But at the same time there has to be caution as you can not ignore scummy behaviour regardless of experience.

EBWOP: Dry-Fit makes a good point on Andrew there.. the interesting thing is Andrew never followed this up, his next post was about CDK. Looking at him in ISO his RVS vote was JS and the quote you mentioned almost seemed like he was trying to justify his random vote with a reason.

Andrew, is JS your main scum read right now?

[jasonT1981]

nope what do u mean by 'didnt follow up', i asked him to explain it, and on the same post i asked ckd what he meant, i then continuously replied to hop , whilst he hasnt replied yet

ummm no not quite, Andrew

this is your post

when i looked at your post 'minority' i thought instantly to 'uninformed minority' aka town, therefore i felt you were trying too hard to be town

which was your last mention of JS followed by this

nameloc jumps all over the place. ckd apparently misreads and leavs his vote there for the whole day.

@oobazzoo what do u mean

Which u can clearly see makes no mention of JS.... followed by your most recent post quoted at the top... I was making the point that since the

when i looked at your post 'minority' i thought instantly to 'uninformed minority' aka town, therefore i felt you were trying too hard to be town

you have not followed it up with anything.. Sorry

[jasonT1981]

nope what do u mean by 'didnt follow up', i asked him to explain it, and on the same post i asked ckd what he meant, i then continuously replied to hop , whilst he hasnt replied yet

Also, how can you continiously reply to someone... who hasn't replied?

[jasonT1981]

nope what do u mean by 'didnt follow up', i asked him to explain it, and on the same post i asked ckd what he meant, i then continuously replied to hop , whilst he hasnt replied yet

Also, how can you continiously reply to someone... who hasn't replied?

This:

Andrew is the epitome of the village idiot

Im making this my last post of the night... as I said before about the newbie card, I am also very wary of the VI card being played on Andrew.. Yes, I have seen some of his games and he comes across as a VI alot of the time... but this is exploitable, very exploitable.

I am wary because Andrew draws scum... he knows he is known as a VI and everyone will expect that of him and think nothing more of it.... so he exploits it and hides behind the VI meta he has as scum. He has been on the site six months now.. I think the VI play by him is a perfect way to hide as scum... because many will just say, oh its Andrew... hes a Village Idiot and scummy play slide...

I've shown him to be lying... that can't be excused as VI

unvote
vote: Andrew

As I said, with his meta... its the perfect place for him to hide being scum.

[jasonT1981]

Let his scummy play slide that meant to say... bloody late night NASCAR races that go on till 5am!

[jasonT1981]

@CKD - Can you explain your vote? I have never been a fan of those who just vote without reason, seems like a lazy bandwagon jump to me to be honest.

@Andrew..

explain #110

what is there to expain about it? I thought it was pretty self explanitory. But anyway, for your sake..

Post 109 by myself included a grammer error here....

hes a Village Idiot and scummy play slide...

my post 110 was a follow up correcting that grammer...

Let his scummy play slide that meant to say... bloody late night NASCAR races that go on till 5am!

Unless your referring to the NASCAR comment... I was chalking my grammer mistake up to it being nearly 5am here and I was tired due to sitting up until 5am to watch last nights NASCAR race (I'm in UK before you wonder about the time)

Hope that explains things for you.

[jasonT1981]

@CKD - Can you explain your vote? I have never been a fan of those who just vote without reason, seems like a lazy bandwagon jump to me to be honest.

Blagh, sorry I meant Shotty here...not CKD.

Shotty, if you have time to pimp your game in other games including this one, and send me a PM asking me to join your game, you have time to explain your actions here and answer questions asked off you.

FOS: Shotty

[jasonT1981]

about a page behind, this game is second in line to update (tomorrow)..saw this though.

@CKD - Can you explain your vote? I have never been a fan of those who just vote without reason, seems like a lazy bandwagon jump to me to be honest.

what vote?...I am currently not voting anyone.

Yea, sorry see my post above yours. I meant Shotty not you, CKD.

[jasonT1981]

and yes, i was referring to ur nascar thingee

Why? what was the point asking me about my nascar comment in a mafia game?

[jasonT1981]

Which is why the VI play is the perfect way for Andrew to skate by undetected as scum. People just think its normal for him

[jasonT1981]

Fair enough. Yea... I guess what Im trying to say is eventually VIs need to be accountable for their actions. And we cant always give them a pass on being VI... eventally scummy behaviour, even by a known VI has to be accontable for

[jasonT1981]

Im still waiting on Shotty to explain his vote

[jasonT1981]

I don't really think Anti-Hero 'jumped' on me as it has been put. He asked a question of me nothing more, however I explained my reasons.

Andrew, out of all these games you have been lynched on day 1.... whats your scum/town ratio IE how many times have you been scum and how many times have you been town.. And how many times have you fake claimed, as town?

[jasonT1981]

hiding? you think he could be waiting out the slight heat on him, waiting on focus to turn elsewhere? hmmm, scum tatic?

[jasonT1981]

8 games, jesus....

hmmm, interesting..with the above post nameloc1986 seems to have defended both Shotty... and Andrew now.. the two most talked about people in the game currently.

[jasonT1981]

it seemed like you were making excuses for him in your last one, maybe im just looking into it far too much.

[jasonT1981]

DavidParker? Sorry, I am not familiar with him really, only played once with him a while back. How many fake claims (number)

[jasonT1981]

First off, sorry it took so long to reply to this.. was posted at like 3am my time. I had a very early night last night.

Can you explain your vote?

I have never been a fan of those who just vote without reason

, seems like a lazy bandwagon jump to me to be honest.

After a re-read of everything, I came across this bit of irony! Didn't you yourself jump on a bandwagon without giving a reason??? Hypocrite much?

Yes, but I gave my reasons in the next post. I was asked if I wanted to form a bandwagon on Shotty or Joystick. I explianed right after...

meh, i was asking for opinions. The fact that jason didn't give any looks kind of bad. BTW, wouldn't jason be sheeping me?

New reads: shotty and CKD are town, joystick is scum

UNVOTE: shotty
VOTE: joystick

I thought the vote was my opinion... Giving my reasons right then (that I know Shotty better than JS) would have been a mistake as it would have changed how Shotty reacted to the vote. If he knew I was doing it to see how he would react my vote would have been pointless.

Shottys vote was in the middle of proper game discussion, came on... made a vote and left. Very opertunistic IMO My vote was in direct response to this

policy lynching = epic fail

So, jason, how about a shotty or joystick wagon?

Shottys vote was this

unvote
vote andrew

Followed directly by asking Andrew to join his game

hey andrew you should join this marathon game
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=15464

If he had time to vote and ask Andrew to join his game, he had time to give reasons which he didnt until 2days later. See the difference? my vote was in direct response to a question.. Shottys was from nowhere with no follow up. He finally justifys it... explaining we can afford a mislynch, basically saying we should lynch Andrew even though he cant show he is scum.

Also the reason that I put Andrew @ L-2 is simple,

I can not show you posts that make him scum

, but it is very obvious that he at least is playing anti-town.
He is a detriment

and should be dealt with while we can still afford a mis lynch

.

We have about a 33% chance that we get rid of scum and a 100% chance that we get rid of anti-town

unvote
vote:Shotty

wants a lynch on 33% chance scum.....the post almost indicates he knows Andrew is town and we can mislynch him.

[jasonT1981]

So reading back, nameloc seems to have some sort of weird connection with shotty, first says he gets town read than an idiot read
he admits to helping Andrew out by saying he is an idiot and cause he is lynched early day 1, which is really a different approach I took in saying we should not lynch Andrew day 1
he than goes after anti-hero and votes him but I don't understand his reasons why
as soon as I question shotty about his vote and not responding to my question, he starts making excuses for him
his post 33 he just copies other people's questions
his post 35, he says "the reason WE ask" as if letting it slip he is working together with shotty and anti-hero
he also doesn't feel shotty seeming so sure it's a mis-lynch as being scummy, yet when I repeat his wording I am scummy

seems like nameloc is working with shotty or at least buddying him
also tries to immediatly discredit Andrew so any suspicions cast on him are thrown out for being VI

I had a feeling earlier in the game about Shotty/Andrew and a connection to namelock, glad to see I am not the only one who feels it as I was beginning to think I was reading into things too much with him defending both.

8 games, jesus....

hmmm, interesting..with the above post nameloc1986 seems to have defended both Shotty... and Andrew now.. the two most talked about people in the game currently.

And now back to Andrew

@jason i have forgetton the exact number of times i fakeclaimed for the greater good

make case on jason later...

Greater good? what is the greater good in fake claiming? only as scum is it the greater good in that you can draw out a PR. unless trying to stay alive past day 1 is your greater good. That does not serve the town as a greater good

Also, case on me I would welcome from you actually, given you have made no suspicion on me before hand and I suspect it will be nothing more than OMGUS.

[jasonT1981]

Im not sure how to answer that question... I do like to help and find scum in anyway I can, however if I agree with someone then I will say it too and vote accordingly. Do you feel I am following? if so who, and how do you think I am? At the minute I feel I am not leading anyone, but at the same time I am not following anyone.

[jasonT1981]

hmm while that may seem the case to you, I would disagree in a way.

I made my own case on Shotty, provided reasoing in vote that I dont think anyone else at the time had picked up on...

Andrew I also think I have done a good bit of my own scum hunting and questioning on him.. I was the one mostly pushing him earlier on when most wanted to say VI as I was making the point that VI meta is perfect hiding place for scum

As for the Nameloc arguement... I think you will find I was the first to say I think he was defending both Andrew and Shotty. I didn't say much more on it at the time as no one else really picked up on it so I didn't think it was worth pushing until I saw yourself also saying it. I do agree there is a connection between the 3.

Though, this is not the first time this question has been asked off me. I honestly believe I am neither leading or following in my own personal opinion.

As for posting, i will try to post as much as I can.. I too love Tara Reid.

[jasonT1981]

8 games, jesus....

hmmm, interesting..with the above post nameloc1986 seems to have defended both Shotty... and Andrew now.. the two most talked about people in the game currently.

is that what he did..hmmm, I didnt read it that way.

[/b]
Believe that is -1, please claim.

please no one hammer UNTIL the claim.

CKD..Are you refering to he not doing that with Shotty, or both Shotty and Andrew?

As for JS, I agree his position flop is somewhat a good case.. that is a scumtell i feel in backtracking.



EBYOP:

Wow, isn't that interesting you show up and put me at L-1

I still do not feel this wagon on me is a good one, the reasons are iffy at best.

Yeah I thought lynching Andrew today isn't the best idea but I never said I would not lynch him, nobody else shared my view point on it so I just moved on. I thought what shotty said made sense and put my vote back on him


I am a watcher

Hmmm, watcher claim. JS,you do realize your vote is not back on Andrew but is on Shotty?

[jasonT1981]

Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up.

[jasonT1981]

fuck quad post..

follow up question, jason, you feel that Hop is scummy enough to leave him at -1 in the face of the claim?

With the claim, I think the removal of vote was probably the better move. I am weary of lynching claimed Power roles, if he had claimed VT then maybe I would have been easier with him still being at -1. But I think Shotty is the best lynch for today because of this post I made when I voted. I will link to it as the quote is big and I don't want to create text walls. Pay attention to the bolded at the bottom near the vote.. I think that is cruical evidence against Shotty

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p2586587

Andrew is my 2nd choice of best lynch.

EBYOP: Why did you think Shotty would be targeted by Mafia?

I don't know, seems awful convienient you targetted him in the night and now are pushing for his lynch, unless you know something we don't?

[jasonT1981]

hoponmyjoystick is NOT a watcher

he is 'vanilla'

Given your track record... forgive me for not taking you 100% at your word.. Also, answer my question, Andrew please.

Also, if you are right, and you are in knowledge of JS role being 'Vinilla', why would a townie claim watcher if he was VT? I see no possible reason for VT to fake claim watcher as it could lead to others being outted as watcher and screwing the town over.

I am lead to believe your making crap up again.

[jasonT1981]

Ah ok, I didnt see the roles listed in the start of the game which is how most mods do it... I guess if the watcher gets vinilla on a goon then Andrew could be telling the truth. I say Could given his past.

He still needs to answer my first question.. and now a 2nd

Andrew, what made you investigate Joystick?

[jasonT1981]

What exactly has andrew done? Claimed doc as VT once? I know a few people who have done that.

Is his track record w/ fakeclaiming really that bad? Depending on smashbro's answer to the question, there's no reason to not believe andrew AFAIK.

I think these two posts answer your question.. it looks like more than once. I could have sworn there was a post from him saying he only has done it once as scum, and in 75% of the time... but I cant see that post on an ISO.

@jason i have forgetton the exact number of times i fakeclaimed for the greater good

make case on jason later...

I don't really think Anti-Hero 'jumped' on me as it has been put. He asked a question of me nothing more, however I explained my reasons.

Andrew, out of all these games you have been lynched on day 1.... whats your scum/town ratio IE how many times have you been scum and how many times have you been town.. And how many times have you fake claimed, as town?

all town, once scum.

fakeclaimed about the same amounts as davidparker

[jasonT1981]

I don't really think Anti-Hero 'jumped' on me as it has been put. He asked a question of me nothing more, however I explained my reasons.

Andrew, out of all these games you have been lynched on day 1.... whats your scum/town ratio IE how many times have you been scum and how many times have you been town.. And how many times have you fake claimed, as town?

all town, once scum.

fakeclaimed about the same amounts as davidparker

shut up!!
You fake claim in 75% of your games

OK my mistake, it was Shotty said the 75% thing, not Andrew himself.

[jasonT1981]

What exactly has andrew done? Claimed doc as VT once? I know a few people who have done that.

Is his track record w/ fakeclaiming really that bad? Depending on smashbro's answer to the question, there's no reason to not believe andrew AFAIK.

This is dependent on smashbro saying "vanilla, watcher, hider," by the way. I

f smashbro says "yes or no" andrew is fakeclaiming

.

Role Cop receives either "yes, he/she is a power role (which is Watcher or Hider)" or "no, he/she is not a power role (which is vanilla town or mafia goon)

". If yes, the Role Cop will not be told if the person is Watcher or Hider, and if no, the Role Cop will not be told if the person is VT or a Goon.

Actually, as much as I have been thinking Andrew is scum, your analysis (the bolded) is wrong..

If Andrew is being truthful he recieves a yes or no he can still be telling the truth here..

If he got a no result from the mod on JS like he says he did, that means the person in question is Vinilla (JS) to him and Andrew knows that via the no (I am assuming he got a no). So getting a yes or no instead of vinilla does not make his a fakeclaim.

Now I am actually confused. This is making me think Andrew is telling the truth actually. The mod confirming he gets a yes or no does not mean he is fakeclaiming... he can detect Power roles and non power roles from a simple yes or no from the mod and declare the person in question vinilla in game...

[jasonT1981]

Mod, can you fix my quotes please? thanks

Awesome, I got to use my modly powers! anyway, quote fixed.

[jasonT1981]

Reasons for suspicions please, Andrew. The etc makes me lol.

I would aree, the self vote is scummy... and like Andrew says could be a way of cutting off chat.

Andrew, now you have a role outted please don't think you can skate through the game making fluff posts liek above. Reasons for your suspicions please.. this is second time you have said you suspect me but failed to back it up with... well anything. The Etc ddoes not sit well with me... who is the etc?

[jasonT1981]

Id still like Andrew to answer my questions before we lynch JS... He is caught out, and should be lynched today.. but I would love Andrew to expain his suspicions first before the day ends. the more information we get or cases made on people the better for the town going into day 2. A hammer right now would be what scum would like to end discussion early. I am suire thats what JS thought he was doing. lets not give them that. At least not yet anyway.

[jasonT1981]

funny how so many people are having discussions about bussing WAY before a flip....

I am more sure than ever that my vote is in the right place.

Part of me sees what JS did was a ploy to create WIFOM and make people think CKD is bussing, especially with the way he worded it almost making it seem like CKD is bussing... and the other part of me thinks he could actually be bussing. I say its about 50/50 in my gut right now.

EBYOP: I too would like Andrew to present cases on his suspicion before the hammer. We have scum, Im sure off it.. lets not cut off discussion though right away with the hammer as that would suit scum more.

[jasonT1981]

Yea I agree, I think Andrew is telling truth now, especially with how your acting now adding appeals to emotion to your posts

How are you sure? You can't be cause I AM A FUCKING WATCHER

you are gonna put the rest of the town at a disadvantage if you lose me

Also, dont like this post

WE NEED TO LYNCH HOP NOW!
@Andrew I am giving you one chance to with draw your claim, and if you dont it's full on tunneling hop

giving an uncountered claim a chance to withdraw it? I also think, with your post here we are well past you full on tunnelling. as you are calling in caps for a LYNCH HOP NOW

[jasonT1981]

I disagree. We'd be putting scum in a very advantageous position for their night kills, all to see whether Joystick is lying or not.
I think we should give andrew a chance to post. If he maintains that Joystick is scum, then we should lynch him without endangering any more PRs.

no let hop say his results before dieing, this way we will be 100% sure on the him or andrew thing

you really want to out another possible power role? with so many out already? Yea, I stand by my assertation you are scum.

[jasonT1981]

The way i see it, we have two choices/possible outcomes

If we lynch JS and he flips town we know Andrew is lying
if we lynch Andrew and he flips rolecop then we know JS is lying.

Either way, we are assured to out scum... right now given Andrew is completly uncountered I think option one is the better. But I am still fond of a Shotty lynch too

Shotty, your reaction right now are making you look worse, right now Andrew is town until proven otherwise and JS is scum. At this point, no.. Andrew is not scum, as much as it pains me to say that as I spent the first part of the game going after him.

[jasonT1981]

flips town watcher I meant to say about JS

[jasonT1981]

Hop you are so scummy

vote hop

Why the sudden flip from above, to below in less than a page.. either Andrew is scum, or JS is scum.

No at this point Andrew is scum,

And STOP SETTING UP THE WHOLE IF HE FLIPS THIS OUR THAT, IT SIMPLY TELLS SCUM WHO TO KILL, AND MAKES YOU LOOK SCUMMY!!!!!!

Which one is it to you? Or do you think they could both be scum?

[jasonT1981]

oops quotes wrong way around I think.. but yes, why the sudden flip, Shotty?

[jasonT1981]

So you will unvote if he outs ANOTHER possible role...

jesus..

[jasonT1981]

giving the scum more info... either outting a power role, or narrowing down the field for scum to find other power roles.

[jasonT1981]

my case on jason: you spent half the day going after me and saying that im using my vi ness to escape notice. you also say i fakeclaim often in an attempt to discredit my claim. then suddenly u believe my claim.


this applies to other ppl who refers to my vi ness and fakeclaining. every game is different.

thats not a case, thats OMGUS, I believe your claim more so now because of the way JS has reacted since your claim and also the Mods confirmation of what a role cop gets lines up with what you are saying about JS, as well as the fact you are uncountered.

Suspecting people who suspect you is very bad play.

[jasonT1981]

And the way you have acted since the claim.

[jasonT1981]

@mod: Can we get a vote count please? votes are hopping around like a 4 legged frog and Ive lost count of what Hop is at.

[jasonT1981]

Just a quick note, the mod has been informed but I am going on short V/LA next weekend, as some of you know I am going out of the country to the 49ers/Broncos game in England. I will only be gone 2 days at most I hope.. Leaving Saturday morning and returning Monday night however I am not sure if I will be able to post until the tuesday, as my flight gets in very late, and I have a 2 hour journey from airport to my house.

[jasonT1981]

Going out on the town tonight, so will not be posting again until tomorrow.

[jasonT1981]

there is no reason for both watchers (assuming that we do have 2 watchers left) to watch andrew...i dont like where this conversation is going..lets not direct the watchers..if scum think that the watchers are going to exclusively watch andrew..they are free to kill whoever they want without worry....let them worry about who to kill....if Hop does flip a fucking watcher, then no need to waste your time watching andrew.

I fully agree, if we begin to direct watchers, that then becomes open to scum influence. Watchers should watch whoever they feel they should watch. I had an issue like this once in a game where I had a day cop ability. I opened it to town discussion who I should investigate and it was scum influenced. Scum have voices too in this game, we can not allow power roles to be open to minipulation from scum.

And yes if Hop does flip.... Andrew has some explaining to do tomorrow.

[jasonT1981]

Will hopefully be on to comment later, have a pounding headache and next door having a drill going non stop does not help.

[jasonT1981]

In midst of a catch up now on all my games, going to have to read this one again as the last few pages have boggled my mind

[jasonT1981]

First off, sorry for being so quiet so far today... had a thumping headache and the neighbors running a drill two days running is a killer on my concentration and my migraine. Anyway, read from the beginning of day2 and noted thoughts as I went.

day 2 thoughts

No kill in the night, could the hider have been targetted?

Shotty right away says we have nothing.... we had a scum flip and no kill in night, thats something all right


I agree with Nameloc, it looks like Shotty was rolefishing and trying to out another role.

Andrew knows empking is scum for sure? I doubt this as he only gets a yes or no... if emp was scum andrew would only get a no making him possible vanilla or scum... he cant be sure

Empking is scum because joystick wants to replace him? huh...this seems like out of game talk been going on...If JS replaces in he would have to be scum as he already knows scum... this confuses me alot.. ok next post Nameloc hid behind Emp... so thats good..

Emp
Name
Andrew confirmed town,, that narrows down the list of possible scum.

andrew, you forgot scenario 3: they don't kill you, they kill one of the watchers. Then, any benefit we might have gotten from this plan would be totally negated.
Since you've proven scenario 2 would result in a scum autoloss, it's not going to happen.

I'm against it.

wait, let me get this right your AGAINST a way that would give scum an autoloss and town winning!!!!! red flag here!

Dont like nameloc calling out 'active lurkers' the game had only been open a short time.. in some cases including mine.. it had opened at 3am.

i admit I was role fishing but with a pro town reason

is rolefishing EVER pro town as it can expose town roles giving scum more chance to hit PRs

i admit I was role fishing but with a pro town reason

which is?

let's leave it at that for now please

no, lets not leave it for now..

not too sure I get the whole andrew knowing who Shotty is..actually yea.. thinknig about it now I do...fuck..i was soo sure Shotty was scum.

ok confirmed town so far.

Shotty
Andrew
Nameloc
Emp

this is really narrowing the field and is nothing but a good thing.

Dont like how anti-hero keeps etrying to push this now... I hate to say this, but I think Shotty is town.. If Andrew has confirmed him or at least breadcrumbed that then yes.. Shotty is town. Bang goes my day 1 suspect.

hmmm Baz is being very quiet

Urgh this Andrew/Shotty thing is giving me a headache

Alright, after everything I think Anti-Hero is scum... the fact he says no to a plan that would have scum autolose is a redflag to me.

vote: Antihero

[jasonT1981]

^

Scum would only autolose if they were stupid enough to walk into that scenario.

Following the plan wouldn't give us an autowin. Did you read the thing you quoted?

that is what sticks out to me... how would town not win if scum auto lose? why would it be stupid for town to put scum in an autolose scanario?

[jasonT1981]

Trying to catch up and make a proper posting, Im going out of the country to London soon and will try to post again before I go. Have not been on much the past few days with Packing/travel arrangements & friends and family being at the house.

Baffled by Andrew investigating himself... why? its not like you can kill yourself is it? dont understand that.. Still happy with my Antihero vote though... he seems to dismiss any scanario where town can win. Thats not something town would do.

[jasonT1981]

@andrew - You haven't answered the queries I posted in #506. I don't like it when people dismiss my questions: not only is it bad for town (because it shows you are skipping over posts and only concerned with your own agenda, rather than taking in the whole game), it is also impolite.

I would agree Andrew only is concerned by his own agenda.. I believe he feels safe because he is uncountered in being Rolecop which near enough confirms him as town so he now does not have to worry about being lynched or answer to anybody for his actions or lack off actions

[jasonT1981]

Guys, I am really sorry. But I am on V/LA as of now. I am getting an early night and leaving tomorrow morning and won't be back home until Tuesday afternoon/evening.. depending on how late I get back into Belfast on monday night.

[jasonT1981]

Hey everyone, checking back into this game, Im just home from London. absolutly exhausted and sore... going to catch up later hopefully after I have some rest.

[jasonT1981]

I'm the other watcher.

alright, in advance in case of my death tonight,

i have decided to out myself as the actual watcher.

2 Watchers[

/b] --- Choose someone each night. I will tell them who visits that player

drmyshottyizsik

---

Watcher

--- Killed Night 2

Anyone see something SERIOUSLY wrong there....

If Dryfit is the watcher... and confirmed Shotty watcher.... and mod confirms only two watchers... what is wrong with Andrews new claim?

[jasonT1981]

read my paragraph
dry fit is the role cop

I'm the other watcher.

[jasonT1981]

URGH...Im drunk, cant make head nor tail of this...

So once again Andrew fake claims.....

urgh

[jasonT1981]

read my paragraph
dry fit is the role cop

Why should we believe a word you say?

[jasonT1981]

I cant get my head round this.. I did read what you said.. but 3 posts before hand Dry-Fit claims watcher not rolecop. And we have not heard from him since to back up what your saying.

So am I scum because you have a case on me, or because I am calling you on fakeclaiming once again?

this is bloody confusing me, Im going to lie down..

the CKD thing I am not disputing...

[jasonT1981]

Andrew, you can understand why I don't believe you or at least understand why I am confused as hell right now, don't you?

I think DF needs to back this up.

I won't dispute the CKD is Scum though... that seems open and shut.

Im going to hold off a vote until we discuss this whole mess you have created, Andrew.

[jasonT1981]

No, it doesnt look above you will see others have said they want to hear from others before the lynch.

what????

You just confessed to lying for the entire game and you wonder why I'd like to hear from others before the lynch?

I still intend to vote CKD, I just don't want to do it too quickly.

You admitted to lying... and because I want discussion on you lying it makes me scum? No, quick lynches benefit scum as it cuts off chat when good info could be got. Does that make Zden scum too then, Andrew?

you admit to lying,... and now want a quick lynch.

you see why anyone would have a problem there, Andrew?

[jasonT1981]

So, DF as rolecop just happened to know to go along with your lie for so long... even so much as to claim watcher today?

Andrew... can you not understand why I am having issues believing you... given your history, and now this as well....

Screw this, its like talking to a brick wall.... im going to bed.

[jasonT1981]

Oh noes.... Emp, don't say that... that makes you scum too!!!

[jasonT1981]

OK, fair enough DF.... however, Andrew.... can you understand my, and others not believing you? I mean the amount of lies you tell is more harmful to the town than anything else, this fake claim BS needs to stop especially when you are town. If DF didn't go along with that you would have cost us a mis-lynch on you.

vote:CKD

[jasonT1981]

how could there be a mislynch on me? no1 else will claim watcher...
dry fit obs is town/cop, so he wouldnt cc watcher


the point of what i did was to NOT reveal dry-fit as the cop on day 1 and make me seem like the cop so scum wouldnt aim me = =
this fakeclaim bullshit as u called it, actually helped the town

READ IF

[quote="jasonT1981"

If DF didn't go along with that

you would have cost us a mis-lynch on you.

vote:CKD

[/quote]

If DF came out and countered you, it would have lead to a mislynch on town... Luckly he was smart enough to know what you were pulling.

[jasonT1981]

Right now, I'm heavily leaning towards Jason being scum. Not only did I have a scum read on him earlier in the game, he was also highly reluctant to vote CKD yesterday.

What a load of crap.. I said

many

times CKD was scum and I would be voting him... however with the crap Andrew produced I didnt want a quick lynch without everything being dicussed

I won't dispute the CKD is Scum though... that seems open and shut.

the CKD thing I am not disputing...

Im going to hold off a vote until we discuss this whole mess you have created, Andrew.

OK, fair enough DF.... however, Andrew.... can you understand my, and others not believing you? I mean the amount of lies you tell is more harmful to the town than anything else, this fake claim BS needs to stop especially when you are town. If DF didn't go along with that you would have cost us a mis-lynch on you.

vote:CKD

And look... I wasnt the only one

Unvote

I want to hear from others and especially Dry-Fit before the lynch.

I still intend to vote CKD, I just don't want to do it too quickly.

I'm waiting for Dryfit.

In fact, my vote came RIGHT after DF confirmed...what is now a lie....

I can confirm what andrew is saying.

I think zdenek's unvote on this page makes him more town. Scum would have no problem leaving their buddy at L-1 and hoping to end the day quickly.

OK, fair enough DF.... however, Andrew.... can you understand my, and others not believing you? I mean the amount of lies you tell is more harmful to the town than anything else, this fake claim BS needs to stop especially when you are town. If DF didn't go along with that you would have cost us a mis-lynch on you.

vote:CKD

Nice try, you see many times I said CKD was scum and I was waiting on DF and others to confirm/discuss Andrew as well as voting as soon as it was confirmed

vote:ooBAZZoo

If your leaning so heavy to me being scum.. why no vote?

[jasonT1981]

I cant win, good game guys...

Last night as you will see in the QT I debated the fact it was a ploy.. I decided I had to kill..

good job

vote: Jason

[jasonT1981]

ohhh shhhh you, games not over yet

[jasonT1981]

lol.. I was hoping I could pin that on you.. however when I saw Andrew as cop i thought awww fuck..

tried to cause some confusion at least until DF came in...

I knew I was boned, just wanted to try and see how far I could get town going before DF confirmed..

I actually thought about killing Emp last night, but the andrew thing was too juicy not too

[jasonT1981]

he got lucky DF knew what he was doing

[jasonT1981]

CKD, You need to chill... I was planning to come out and attack you day3 however the way it started I saw no real need given we had watcher confirmation on you.

[jasonT1981]

Dude... I dont even think I got on in time to do that, when I got on I believe watcher had already caught you out. What could I do? We lost, Watchers got us well... stop being a sore loser, its only a game. Stop trying to blame everyone else. We lost, get over it