Open 263 - The Wild Life [Game Over]

[DavidParker]

Hey guys! saw the Awesome (LOLWOT) player list and couldnt resist subbing in despite my game-load. Then I saw andrew's play this game and HAD to haha.

Look, andrew's "breaking strat" was the most retarded thing I've ever seen, but I see it more likely coming from town-andrew than scum-andrew. Scum andrew would have had a chance to discuss it and realize how much negative attention it would get him etc. And he did seem genuinely convinced it was an awesome breaking strat so i really doubt he's a werewolf.

Shotty on the otherhand seems like likely scum/werewolf and so does erineyes (scott).

It seems ALL the attention is on these 3 which is kinda worrisome since it's only day 1, but we'll have to make sure we switch our attention tomorrow. For now, I think we erineyes(scott) is the best lynch for today.

[DavidParker]

Your wagon could be on 0 votes and I would believe it.

The fact it's not is because other people saw the same scummy behaviour/reactions to pressure that I did.

[DavidParker]

I haven't had a single game in my past... many games... without you subbing in dp...

I really think you are stalking me in this forum!

oh hi sb. I'm not stalking you but i do enjoy playing in games with you. Can't say the same for shotty/andrew, theres definitely an "entertainment" factor, but that's about it.

[DavidParker]

@SV: Ugh, no?

Vote: Shattered viewpoint

[DavidParker]

SV+Shotty team I feel.

Although, I still think Scott is on the other non-town team because of the way erineyes played.

I'm happy to hold of lynching him though.

[DavidParker]

Vote: parknourie

have to agree, andrew is probably town.

[DavidParker]

so, 9 hours to move 4 votes to a wagon.

It's either Scott or Park at this point for me.

[DavidParker]

or even shotty.

god damnit.

Andrew is town, so i'm guessing his wagon is filled with scum trying to save their buddies too (ie: SV)

[DavidParker]

Vote: SHOTTY

best lynch for today with our limited time.

[DavidParker]

we are NOT lynching andrew today. shotty or park or scott, but not andrew. Just ignore andrew, but don't lynch him.

[DavidParker]

fuck off andrew

[DavidParker]

lol?

at least we know jason+erin(scott) aren't scum or werewolves together at this point.

[DavidParker]

wake me up when we finally lynch shottie...

[DavidParker]

andrew the day I take a single read of yours serious.....

let's just say it won't happen.

Dont get me wrong i find scott and erineyes scummy too, but you're the last person i'm going to be listening to.

[DavidParker]

oh im' pretty sure

[DavidParker]

oh im' pretty sure SV is scum/werewolf as well so i'm down to lynch him as well.

[DavidParker]

"Night 1 seer die"

I think that's him claiming "not seer". If he was seer he definitely wouldn't suggest a plan where he dies night 1.


I agree on the SV wagon. It is a good wagon.

The only thing bad about this wagon is we still have to deal with the combined stupidity of Andrew+Shotty tomorrow and the easy lynches of scott+parknourie tomorrow. But it is definitely one of the scummiest wagons.

Vote: Shattered Viewpoint

Andrew: I will never look into a single read or suggestion you put forward. I will only read it to try determine what your alignment is.

[DavidParker]

are you trying to protect SV now??

It's obviously terrible town play. But it's just as terrible scum play. Scum pseudo-claiming seer? Scum stating they will claim seer so that we lynch either them or the person they got a guilty on? that is suicidal anti-scum play (if u are scum)

It is antitown and antiscum. I don't see how you can't see that, and while it would be grounds for a policy lynch of andrew, I don't see how we can lynch andrew because he's been "scummy". He's been retarded, anti-town, and retarded. But I can't say he's been scummy. Because his actions dont benefit scum just like they don't benefit town. It's kind of the "too scummy to be scum argument" but really it just makes his behaviour a non-tell. That's why i'm going to read what he says, ignore his advice, and use it to get a read on him. His play will change if we ignore him.

SV is a good information lynch. And a scummy person.

[DavidParker]

IN my eyes, switching my vote to andrew would be nothing more than apolicy lynch vote. I'm not a fan of policy lynches, especially on day 1, there is grounds for improvement, so i won't vote for him. I will ignore him though.

[DavidParker]

well not so much as defend him, but push a useless wagon instead of his.

[DavidParker]

so 40 hours or so.. this looks hopeless.

[DavidParker]

v/la til monday sorry

[DavidParker]

Vote: andrew

intentional lurking disguised as a v/la.

[DavidParker]

My v/la ended early.

Andrew on the other hand has been posting in other games during his.

If you're paranoid about mine feel free to check my other games where I said the same thing.

[DavidParker]

i don't see the irony?

Andrew is posting in other games (he has been the past 2 days, i'm in a game off-site with him which he is active in) and has called a V/la. there is no reason for it.


I was strongly opposed to an andrew lynch, but i see no reason for this play except for by someone who is scum so it has swayed me. I still won't be disapointed by an SV or shotty lynch, but andrew just jumped to top of my list.

[DavidParker]

He literally posted 1-2 hours ago on a separate gaming forum I am a member of with him.

[DavidParker]

Vote: shotty

[DavidParker]

damn you sb. damn you! i was lookin forward to playing with you.

SV/park/andrew are my choices right now in that order.

[DavidParker]

I agree, there are many people I would rather lynch than Andrew. He's probably not my third choice as a lynch target, since I actually think he's town despite his "fake" v/la.

SV then park are my 2 top picks, but they are the obvious picks/lynches.

I actually thnk SV is likely shotty's partner. He voted for shotty at times when it seemed like he "had to" or seem like obv scum for avoiding/not commenting on him, and was always quick to unvote shotty when possible and go after a different wagon (hopped to park and andrew at various points to get off the shotty wagon)

Vote: SV

[DavidParker]

have we not estabilished it's best to just ignore andrew?

there may be a case there for erineyes/scott but andrew is just a nuisance.

[DavidParker]

i'm actually flattered.

nothing more from me.

[DavidParker]

Vote: parknourie

Cya mate.

I'm expecting a scum flip, i think jason or Later is a werewolf.

[DavidParker]

Unvote, vote: parknourie

haven't checked rules .. so just to rule out the posisbility of a fake-hammer

[DavidParker]

because we can discuss today or later. he was gonna flip scum anyways.

i'm not sure how all those people have been listed as obv town, i was expecting people to call me obv town when day 1 both myself and guthrie pushed hard for scott's lynch.

Not to mention i pushed hard for shotty's lynch as well. Bussing your werewolf on day 1 when there is a seer in the game to out werewolves seems like a terrible plan.

I don't even see a good case on me, sure it'll be easy to dig up some scummy things i've done, but the number of town things i've done far outnumbers it. As for all the other people you're ignoring, i'm not quite sure how you've decided they're town.

IAU is probably town due to early case on on Scott/legit scum hunting

It's quotes like this that don't make sense on town reads. So he scum hunted, there are 2 different anti-town factions, they are likely to scum hunt each other. He could still easily be a werewolf who was scum hunting, or be the last mafia who was lookin for werewolves.

Right now, we should be looking at who tried to derail the shotty wagon or didn't want a shotty lynch because having your werewolf buddy lynched day 1 with a seer in the game is never a good idea so I doubt he was bussed.

[DavidParker]

I just iso'd myself (to remind myself of my earlier views and vote movement), and see no reason as to how I'm either werewolf or scum.

I sub into the game and immediately post suspicions of Shotty + Scott (erineyes), then state how i think they're both anti-town but on different factions, and i am reminded how much i was convinced SV was shotty's teammate, which does seem quite likely still. I also state how shotty is probably the best lynch at numerous times only occasionally do i push for other lynches stronger.. Not to mention me quoting SB

from an objective point of view this quote/post:

wake me up when we finally lynch shottie...

basically confirms me as non-wolf. If i was his wolf buddy the logical move here would be to attack SB for his bussing and tunneling with no reasoning. Instead I just quote it (implying my agreement). How anyone thinks i'm a wolf is beyond me, except for andrew because he is actually on the far lower end of the IQ scale.

There's "slightly" more reasoning to me being mafia, but it would still involve me busing BOTH my scum buddies. I only got off their back to vote for shotty or SV (who i still think is shotty's wolf buddy)

[DavidParker]

Just doing your town-hunting for you since you guys are hopeless.

[DavidParker]

My vote was on Scott for a long time. You don't see it in my iso because my vote was on Scott when I subbed in. I then reiterated my former's opinion that Scott was scum (hence left my vote there)

If you think i'm definitely scum, then not only did i bus my buddy, but so did the person I replaced (guthrie)

[DavidParker]

I still don't understand what my slip was in what you quoted to be honest. I don't get what you are pointing out.

Who do I think is scum? I Haven't actually got a strong opinion on that. I'm VERY sure SV is the remaining werewolf but as for scum, I admit to not actively looking into who is a likely candidate at the time being. There's a few people I have strong town reads on, so the remaining would all be people I would look at.

The reason I wasn't voting SV is because it's clear to me we do need some discussion today since obviously there is a tear between voting me or SV (or one and then the other), i feel regardless of SV's flip i'll be lynched tomorrow, so i'd rather get some discussion going today and avoid that via scum-hunting the actual scum.

[DavidParker]

He doesn't comment much on shotty or do anything, except in one of his posts when someone asks what the case on shotty is, and SV replies "he's apparently a werewolf" (implying he doesnt quite believe it, but at the same time saying he's apparently a werewolf and not apparently scum could be a slip).

he only reluctantly later votes shotty to "avoid a no lynch", implying he doesn't actually find him that scummy or wolfy. By bussing, I'm referring to pushing a hard case against him. At no point did SV push a case against shotty. Sure he voted him, but that was towards the end of the wagon and unconvincingly. It's the people who pushed cases against shotty consistently who i don't believe are werewolves.

[DavidParker]

Wow, i now understand my slip.

it's actually a typo.

I think jason or Later is scum, not werewolf.

I've made it clear that I think SV is shotty's werewolf buddy. Obviously Jason or Later can't be the third werewolf as there only is two. This 3 faction game has gotten me confused between wolves and scum. That post was meant to read I thought one of you two is probably scum (or both at the time), I've consistently believed SV to be shotty's werewolf buddy.

[DavidParker]

Vote: SV

[DavidParker]

The only obv-town I see at this point is CHK.

Don't know why people are saying jason is obv town.

[DavidParker]

Why does the answer to that question matter so much? I don't feel as if it has much merit to anything pertaining to SV!scum.

ANd before I get attacked for reasoning etc, it's largely based of this quote as to why i'm pretty sure he's town.

And the ignoring of the "loaded question" that follows.

[DavidParker]

anyone else watch the ashes the past few days? Go australia!

[DavidParker]

I'm kinda glad andrew is off my back (cept it makes sense since he thought I was a werewolf, not scum)

As for now, my only strong town read is CHK.

As for claiming me as mafia because Guthrie replaced out, that's a huge stretch and not really something that should be used against me, but I can see why you might, but I feel you should be focusing on in-game content rather than that as there is no correlation to his alignment and his replacing out.

I agree smash is my most scummy read at the moment but that is mostly because everyone here has been pretty pro-town since we have been actively discussing and actively lynching correctly (both werewolves and 1 scum in 3 days), so that makes everyone win town-points, but smashbro has mostly lurked and not been active, so that's the only reason for my scummier read on him.

As for now, doing iso's to see what people posted on our 2 scum flips for any connections.

I'm also pretty sure Andrew is town. Although the whole "lynch me then lynch this person" which he keeps pulling OVER and OVER and OVER again (and is getting annoying and more annoying and MORE annoying) could be some huge scum gambit, but I really don't think he's smart enough for that. If so, props to him.

So, jason/later/smash are the ones I'll be looking at mostly.

Oh, I just saw iamausername is in this game when I clicked the display posts by user submenu (because I thought I was short a player), I can't even remember a thing he has done or said all game. So definitely looking at him too.

[DavidParker]

Silverbullet doesn't count :p

I never said I had a case on any of you 3 Later.. I said I was going to re-read/iso people to look for connections. You seem to be implying I should have one magically, I might not even find any or many of you scummy. As it stands, I have 2 epidoes left of season 5 of weeds and plan to watch them before grueling through this game

[DavidParker]

Considering both CHK and Andrew are obv-town, I don't really care if you lynch me or anyone else today.

Just keep lynching people until it's only these two left alive.

Vote: DP

If that will make the game end quicker go for it.

As said, there are reasons I brought down andrew's credibility Later, because he has none. I have played some 20-30 games with him and every he shows his lack of intelligence. A favorite quote of mine that he once said: "I am actually very smart I just don't show it very often" - Andrew.

Anyways, as said, lynch me all you want. I'm extremly confident town will win this, you won't get your perfect game, but it seems my position is one that would take too much effort for me to get out of by actively scum-hunting and explaining every little thing Later has a problem with that i've done. And even if I do that i'll probably still be lynched, so by all means lynch me and move onto your next lynch already.

Just don't lynch chk or Andrew.

[DavidParker]

Oh i'd considering it more "expediting" the game than giving up. Later expects content and me to post cases NOW (funnily enough something he could be looking at for players like smash/IAU), but I agree to some extent the burden of proof does fall on me (at least to prove my innocence, although not to prove other people's guiltiness).

I mean you guys can basically go down the list of players and you should be fine. I really doubt chk or andrew will be flipping scum.

[DavidParker]

what makes you think andrew will start giving cases now ? Just like I'm not either

[DavidParker]

Andrew is annoying and even a blind squirrel finds a nut.