Open 269: Multirole Mafia: Over. Town Win

[mothrax]

Hey guys, if there is anything that needs my immediate attention let me know, other than that I should be caught up by tomorrow

[mothrax]

All right I am fairly caught up. In the spirit of the game going on I will say:
I am either not the cop or I do not have any guilty results.

My thoughts so far:
gandalf/DMSIS slot is probscum:
Quickhammer wtf?
DMSIS is calling people out for little shit, i.e. calling people out for rolefishing when they are clearly speaking sense.
His case on Akira was weak at best. Thourough, but weak. The whole interchange left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

People who are probtown include Thadmiral and implosion. I have fairly strong townreads on both atm. SA is bordering on this category.

I am wishywashy on andrew (I can never read him.)

In otherwords I am comfortable with a DMSIS lynch and failing that possibly and andrew lynch.

[mothrax]

rolefishing 101: If everyone else gets the opportunity to answer as I did, it is impolite to ask me for more specifics.

[mothrax]

I am curious as to why you asked me this question and no one else.

[mothrax]

If I'm the inspector, I have no living guilty report.

By the way,

I am either not the inspector, or haven't recieved a guilty yet.

. Everyone should say that in their next post or claim a guilty. If we have a guilty, we lynch them for the win.

That should be obvious but: I am not the inspector or I have not received a guilty yet.

[mothrax]

Since you asked, I am the inspector anyways, this little exchange made it obvious. I do not have a guilty result yet and one of my innocents is dead (Jesse, D1) My day two target is still alive and I will claim that if asked. My other ability shall remain undisclosed at this time.

[mothrax]

It is not the doc. And the other inno is Thadmiral, whom chk investigated last night.

[mothrax]

Also, it is fairly obvious why the doctor is confirmed town at this point.

[mothrax]

Why would we out the doc?

^^This

We can assume at this point that n=2 which means that there are 3 people with two roles and one with one... I am the only outed pr at this point and I would like to keep it that way. The remaining scum would be able to pick pr's off as they liked.

[mothrax]

I'm curious as to how you made that logical leap.

[mothrax]

I'm down with the shotty lynch for the reasons stated above.

vote:shotty

[mothrax]

I'm curious as to how you made that logical leap.

do you have a RB ability
who did you target

That doesn't answer my question.

[mothrax]

@drmy
Your first paragraph would make sense if I had voted before implosion.
As for your question, I meant my second post of the game.

[mothrax]

Fine, jerk . I was hoping to not have to fullclaim today.
Yes my other ability is the rb and chks targets were Thad and SA

[mothrax]

In that order. Now if we are done outing PRs can we get on with a lynch?

[mothrax]

Yes, yes I do. Your point?

[mothrax]

So you are going to lynch what is basically a double cop at this point?
Think about it. I can investigate (which might be worthless true if scum do have investigation immunity) and I can roleblock, which stops kills. Think about the implications of a correct roleblock.

[mothrax]

I love cake!

And as I see it scum are among one of Dmsis, SA and implosion at this point, you to a lesser extent, but your play makes me confident in those three.

[mothrax]

That would be easily sorted out with claims if that were the case.

[mothrax]

If the situation occurs that there is a no kill we claim targets and clear it up. If it was a doc protect, the target was confirmed town, if it was a roleblock, the target is confirmed scum. (it's late and there may be flaws in my logic) I still don't think lynching the only claimed powerrole in game is a smart move. I would be against it regardless of who it was.

[mothrax]

Think about it. Unless the vig is a strongman, which it isn't, Chevys wouldn't have died if the doc was scum. You wouldn't protect a townie as a scum doc and the fact that both scumkills are from vig shots means the doc is confirmed town.

[mothrax]

I will hammer to avoid no lynch if it comes to that, but I would much rather see drmy swing.

[mothrax]

We aren't going to no lynch.

vote implosion

[mothrax]

Actionclaim time! (I love correctly actioning!)
Block noone
Inspect SA: result GUILTY!

vote Sleepless Assassin

[mothrax]

wait...

Unvote

I should not reread old pm's before replying to other games... inno not guilty.

[mothrax]

A1: How many times do I have to say this and in how many games must I bring it up? It is mo

thr

ax not mo

rth

ax
B2: incase you hadn't noticed this is lylo, some reasoning with your vote would be nice.

[mothrax]

A1) How do you know that the doctor protected you?
B2) How do you know you weren't roleblocked.

Since ThAd was doc, and you and I are both town with what I assume to be the four remaining powerroles, we are dealing with a scum rb, nk investi immune.

[mothrax]

The SA guilty was me reading through PMs on another site, seeing one w/ a cop guilty in it, coming here and my brain going "Oh wait, you got a guilty last night, who did you investigate?"
Why should I take your word that you were protected by thad? There is no possible way for you to know this that doesn't break the rules.

Also, recheck the OP, if we are both town, they get all 3 extra roles.

[mothrax]

Um, to put me in a bad position. We outed enough about powerroles yesterday that anyone with half a brain new you were the vig, and anyone with any sense would know that you being roleblocked would make you suspect me. Mafia don't need the extra death to win since they can win tonight if we mislynch.

tl'dr: WIFOM

[mothrax]

Andrew, did you read anything I posted above the tldr? I'm not wifoming, scum is. (yes, wifom just became a verb)

Think about it. The doc was protecting you, confirmed town, why go into a 3 man lylo with a confirmed town when you can go into a 4 man with a player who is going to have a ton of suspicion on them. (also, do you think I am dumb enough to roleblock confirmed town?)

[mothrax]

Shotty, look at the set up! If Andrew and I are both town, there is a scum roleblocker out there. There is a possibility for two roleblockers in this set-up.

[mothrax]

Rereading now, vote to come.

[mothrax]

1) I know. I have never been a fan of long drawn out lylos. I will make an informed vote, but it wont be two weeks from now.
2)it should go unsaid, but because whichever of you is scum, you got lucky with bulletproof, roleblock and investi-immunity, as I have an inno on both of you.

[mothrax]

I'm sorry andrew, I tried.

[mothrax]

Wait....


srsly.


don't you just love it when your brain just goes "click"?



I blocked SA last night, which means he can't be mafia.


which by poe means....

Vote Shotty

game, set, match.

[mothrax]

But there weren't two kills. One can assume from that that andrew either didn't shoot at me (highly unlikely) or was roleblocked. Since I didn't roleblock him, someone else did. (plus I wasn't roleblocked, as I got a result back on my investigation.)

[mothrax]

I find that really hard to believe shotty. Look at yeesterday. Andrew made it pretty clear he had an uberscumread on me. He was tunneling me and no one else. If you were the vig and were sure you could hit scum, would you waste the shot when you knew you were probably going to die?

[mothrax]

Yes you are confirmed town, and shotty is confirmed scum.

[mothrax]

SA since you aren't convinced by the fact that my RB on you proves he is scum, here is an old fasioned case.

Gandalf:
Starts off supporting the andrew policy lynch (iso 1). In Iso 3, with no explanation he moves his vote to chevre (scumfliped). easy, un-noticed early game distancing to point back to.

flip flops on chevre again in iso 10. Calls thad scummy but doesn't change his vote and finds weak reasoning to "suspect" chevre.

quick/accihammer lol.

Starts the game off with a ton of fluff. Over all it looks like he is clammoring for a mislynch. It isn't untill ISO 6 that we get any reads at all. Reads which happen to mirror andrews, who was already a strong pro-town personality. buddying up to the townie.

next is his "case" on Akira in iso 10. I am actually impressed by this, however a lot of what he posts are blatant exagerations. The post reads as if it was designed to look town, but was written by scum. note especially his claim of akira defending andrew and of hipocracy.

His response is just as protown on the surface, but if you read it, it is a lot of "lolno" and the like, never actually pushing anything further than just "lolscum"

In isos 20-22 he calls for thad/andrew lynch/vig. Both of whom played a strong town game. (also both of whom flipped PRs.)

calls andrew out for rolefishing when andrew is obviously not rolefishing. He has stated he thinks there is a way to break the game, it is best to listen to him. Also, andrew was by far not the first to bring up the whole "I am either not the cop, or I blah..." thing, so picking a convenient name is noted.

He then turns around in his next post and rolefishes himself (iso's 23-24) "Andrew are you claiming"

in iso 26 he calls implosion out for doing something that he said he himself did semi-regularly somewhere in his exchange with Akira. (stating suspicion and intent to vote without voting. Contradicting himself is scummy!

from there to iso 34 he posts more fluff, with no backing for calling implosion scum other than a weak wifom wagon analysis. Calls for a hammer on implosion, buddies to andrew again.

and then in the last two days he vote hopps like a mad man, in lylo, which just screams like a proactive scum looking for any lynch that will hold.

[mothrax]

Sorry, work bit me in the rear.

As for why DMSIS is scum, see my last post.

As for why I am town that is an inherantly difficult question to answer.

I would point to where I replaced in to start. I immediatly went along with the claims, and when I was asked to I full claimed without issue, something scum would be hesitant to do. Yes there was pressure from andrew, but there wasn't any real pressure.

The next day I followed andrew's controlling of PR. I did not roleblock anyone. Mainly because I picked up on his tells easily. I knew he was conf town before he came out and said it. I roleblocked last night because I knew after ThAd flipped doc, one of the two of you is scum.

Also, look at today: Why would I have put the game in your hands if I were scum. We are both aware of shotty's reputation on site no? He also discussed previous suspicion of you. Why confirm you as town?

[mothrax]

Um, ou did miss a spot, you were confirmed town the second I voted for shotty. But hey, I will accept this blemish on my scum record. Replacing in under that much pressure was redic...
I knew I should have gone for you instead of shotty.

[mothrax]

I am actually impressed with the town play, especially Andrew. I will be honest I didn't expect to last as long as I did. Sorry Chevre and CN. I couldn't pull it off.

[mothrax]

My main objective was to not get vigged. I was not giving andrew the benefit of going 3/3. When the scum QT is released (after Chrono confirms game over) you will get to enjoy my inner monologue.

[mothrax]

andrew, I'm willing to guess you tracked chevre to the kill at one point...

[mothrax]

After reading the dead qt i am even more convinced i shouldf have done that the other way around... i should have gone after SA instead of shotty...