Open 294 ~ Game Over

[Equinox]

/confirm

[Equinox]

Wait a minute. Nachomamma8's in this game? He gets an automatic pass to LyLo just for being awesome.

The rest of you are lynch fodder. <3

[Equinox]

No, please don't. I'll have an easier time reading you if you play from page 1.

[Equinox]

Besides, you lost your pass when you rolled scum, so </3.

[Equinox]

No, please don't. I'll have an easier time reading you if you play from page 1.

I suppose you are right about the ease with which you can read me.

Oh, Equinox is in this game. I sure hope she's hungry...

5 Bowser shells says I don't eat one this game.

[Equinox]

In typical procrastinating grad student fashion, I will take the quiz on Day 3.

Vote: andrew94

The last game I played with him, he tried to push a policy lynch and nearly hammered. The policy? The guy was posting in blue.

I'm deadly serious.

[Equinox]

p.s. equinox makes a slip, she says she will take the quiz on day 3, implying that she will survive to day 3(obviously one needs 2 days and 2nights to study the rules +no point taking the quiz if ur dead right?)

[Equinox]

I'm certain about this.

Willing to eat a bowser shell if you're wrong?

...what have I done, is this Bowser shell thing going to be a new trend on this site?

Also, RayFrost. They're not. Personal experience.

[Equinox]

[Equinox]

Okay, enough fluff from me. I'm putting on record the fact that Nachomamma8 was seen shortly after KittyMo's role PMs went out. Sticking to my shiny andrew94 wagon like glue.

This is going to be a good game. (It'd better be.)

[Equinox]

andrew94, I thought you caught a scum slip from me. What happened to that?

[Equinox]

Doesn't really matter in the end, does it?

Actually, it does. So out with it.

[Equinox]

Cool. But is he scum? (I'm actually interested in the answer.)

[Equinox]

@equinox, the drk lal pirorities above your slip

[Equinox]

i have a policy called lynch all liers.

You're using it on an instance that is

not

relevant to the game at hand. Is the gender change even specific to this game?

Please do me and the rest of us a favor and take this game seriously.

[Equinox]

yes . gender change is specific.
gender change is used as an advantage over other scummers. (nobody wants to lynch a female in rvs now right?)

Please tell me you aren't being serious.

also, none of you are taking this seriously fate even announced he would have hammered me

I can't speak for the others, but I've been quite serious and sincere in my desire to lynch you.

[Equinox]

Unvote, Vote: Fate

[Equinox]

Are you implying that andrew is this bad as town? -.-

As I noted in my initial andrew94 vote, yes. In addition, the one game I played with andrew94-scum, he also got the VI pass to LyLo (and then won the game 'cuz I failed). Thus, this kind of play isn't telling of alignment, but it'd probably be pro-town to lynch him.

(I say this while sitting on a Fate wagon because he can't be arsed to say something useful.)

StrungOver: I'm inclined to say yes. If they've claimed, they might as well make use of it.

[Equinox]

Equinox, would you support an andrew lynch right now...?

Tough question.

I'm in agreement with DeathRowKitty and RayFrost that he wouldn't play like this as scum (especially with me, who lynched him on Day 1 in 282 because he pulled similar stunts), but DAMMIT HE NEEDS TO DIE. 30+ games under his belt and he still spews crap like, "DeathRowKitty-scum changed his gender because we don't lynch females in RVS."

:headdesk:

And then there's my desire to lynch scum. These things are mutually exclusive given my read on andrew94.

...hmm. Let me think about this.

[Equinox]

Actually, hang on.

@equinox, the drk lal pirorities above your slip

andrew94 caught me "slipping" at 8:58 PM PDT.
andrew94 asks DeathRowKitty about his gender change at 9:13 PM PDT.
RayFrost calls out andrew94 for not voting Equinox at 9:26 PM PDT.
andrew94 votes DeathRowKitty at 10:00 PM PDT.

Ohohoho. I almost gave him the pass again.

Unvote, Vote: andrew94

L-1

[Equinox]

Triple post for clarity.

Ohohoho. I almost gave him the pass again.

I thought I mentioned this in post 86, but apparently it got lost when I shuffled words around.

The game I played with andrew94-scum, town nearly lynched him until he dropped a premature doctor claim. He got a pass to LyLo for playing a really, really idiotic tunneling "I'm not reading the thread lalalalala" game, and he won when I flunked LyLo.

My thinking previously was that, after Open 282, andrew94-scum would know better than to play like that on my watch. Then I realized that he amped up his LAL case after he got called out on his lack of Equinox vote.

[Equinox]

FATE.

ARE YOU GOING TO BE HAMMERING TOWN OR SCUM? TELL ME.

[Equinox]

Hi.

I'll target StrungOver.

[Equinox]

...popcorn StrungOver, too. My brain isn't here.

[Equinox]

I'm a double-voter!

--KittyMo

[Equinox]

You tried to bait me with a fake L-1... hah

I actually honestly believed it was L-1. I fail at counting, apparently.

[Equinox]

I say we get StrungOver in this thread and make spiffy comments.

[Equinox]

I apologize for coming off like a jerk, but words need to be said.

STOP WITH THE "LYNCH ALL LIARS" CRAP.

First things first, I still have no idea how and where DeathRowKitty lied. In the post where you first accused DeathRowKitty of lying, he was obviously making a joke.
Secondly, it's not relevant. Let's say DeathRowKitty did say a bald-faced lie about changing his gender. Why does it matter? You have not been able to prove this beyond a blanket statement of "It gives an advantage over other scummers." The advantage? "People don't lynch girls in RVS."
Third, there are times when lying is *gasp* NOT A SCUM TELL. Telling a joke falls under this category. DeathRowKitty was telling a joke.

Honestly, I don't think you're scum anymore. You're not being survivalist. This kind of play coming from you after gaining this much pressure and after gaining a semi-pass from me makes me think you're just trolling this game, and it pisses me the fuck off because I know you're capable of better play. I seconded a Scummy nomination for you, FFS.

Now? All I want to do is to see you swing from the highest branch so we can actually play the game I signed up for.

White knighting andrew94 is now officially a scum tell, as you will be enabling the survival of a liability to town.

[Equinox]

Now we're getting somewhere.

Yeah, it was a joke. You asked DeathRowKitty why he changed his gender, and he responded he changed it for the same reason as you. You know you've never changed your gender (and so do I), so obviously he was joking. DeathRowKitty-scum gains no benefit from a lie like that.

Given that, your Lynch All Liars policy is a policy that does not apply to this game, and it should not be used. Please remove your vote from DeathRowKitty unless you have a better reason to leave it there.

Out of the remaining 3 names you've mentioned so far -- Equinox, Fate, StrungOver -- who is your top suspect?

[Equinox]

[insert spiffy comment here....]

Unfortunately, the noose can take only one neck at a time. You'll have to wait your turn.

[Equinox]

Cool spiff bro. Do you have opinions on anyone except andrew?

StrungOver, I have an addendum to this question. Your vote on andrew94, do you still stand by it?

[Equinox]

*sigh*

In other news, farside22 went over to the Dark Side. She was probably there since the very beginning and I was too blind to see.

[Equinox]

If a farside wagon were to magically appear, would you be willing to join?

Unvote, Vote: farside22

[Equinox]

Oh, the temptation...

[Equinox]

Unvote, Vote: andrew94

L-1

[Equinox]

DeathRowKitty's suspects: farside22, Nachomamma8
farside22's suspects: Cojin, andrew94

Need I say how fucking weird this is?

DeathRowKitty backed off farside22 after seeing StrungOver accuse her, so I can only guess. But that farside22 kill is weird.

Gonna reread tomorrow. Busy beating school into my thick skull.

[Equinox]

Hmm.

Actually, I'm thinking DeathRowKitty went and hit up Nachomamma8's house last night for some drinks. It'd be foolish otherwise given crumbs.

farside22 getting killed instead of, say, DeathRowKitty or RayFrost is VERY INTERESTING since I thought those two were obvtown. Remind me to have a gander at that.

...I wanna vote Nachomamma8 but I'll hold out for reread and for moar posts, yes.

[Equinox]

Okay, screw it. Not like I could concentrate on the massive blobs of information anyway.

HEY, RAYFROST, YOU RECOGNIZE THIS, RIGHT?

-> Guuhh StrungOver why did you make yourself so hard to read why.
-> Fate's being weird. :/
-> OK, that's it, the next time I need to push a policy lynch, I'm getting my fuckin' hammer on page 2.
-> RayFrost unvoting, RayFrost calling andrew94 town with good, reasonable points. Urk.

I might've waited for him to claim, because if he was locked into a Weak Cop claim that'd be fine.

-> No problem with StrungOver's question about claims, actually. Pretty reasonable thing to ask if you're unfamiliar with Gurgi EC8.
-> Nachomamma8 is late to the partyyy.
-> Uh. Fate tunneling andrew94 and never calling him scum is mildly townish. Drawing attention to himself. I don't like how Fate suggested that andrew94 could be locked into a claim (see above) though, I get the feeling he knew something. >_> I HATE IT WHEN I WAFFLE ANFKLSG

Hypocops~

Fate -> Equinox
Nachomamma8 -> RayFrost
Equinox -> StrungOver
farside22 -> Fate
RayFrost -> Nachomamma8
DeathRowKitty -> Nachomamma8 (OH HEY)
andrew94 -> Equinox

-> farside22 expresses suspicion of Fate. Cool beans. So did I, though.

OH STRUNGOVER LET ME TELL YA SOMETHING

[insert spiffy comment here....]

Smartass comments like this don't earn ya favors, just sayin'.

-> StrungOver in post 134 suspects Fate and farside22. Fun stuff, suspicions of Fate were already mentioned and DeathRowKitty just called farside22-Nachomamma8 team. StrungOver never got to elaborate, so I don't know what I can get out of this. Guh.
-> Fun stuff - farside22 has Fate down as town. FATE IS PROBABLY TOWN AS SAD AS THAT MAKES ME. 'cuz I don't see scum killing farside22 because she accused Cojin's predecessor, anyone else who ever questioned StrungOver was a better candidate, and Fate was suspected due to weird behaviors.

Whee okay I'm done. ...never have I committed so many punctuation and grammatical atrocities in a single post, whoopdedo.

DID YOU KNOW NACHO HAS 5 POSTS?

-> Voted StrungOver for his weak cop question
-> Hypotargets RayFrost, popcorns Equinox ('cuz I was online and stuffs)
-> Asks Fate what he's doing
-> Bandwagons andrew94

I don't know what Nachomamma8 is doing either.

To conclude:

FATE IS TOWN
Cojin is probably town but I gotta see him post
RayFrost is now a specimen to be placed on a microscope slide

[Equinox]

Translation: You're probably scum.

[Equinox]

OK, now I'm pretty sure it's Nachomamma8-RayFrost.

Good game.

Reasoning please.

I didn't type up that wall for nothing, RayFrost. I think you can see my line of reasoning there. Though you asking me to point out how you, personally, have been scummy is pretty amusing; did my conclusions surprise you

that

much?

[Equinox]

Hmm...

I want to see what Cojin and Fate have to say, but I wanna be on this wagon of win. Can I get the best of both worlds here?

Vote: Nachomamma8

Cojin, if Fate hasn't posted, don't hammer until he does.
Fate, if Cojin hasn't posted, don't hammer until he does.

Continuing the hypocop from Day 1: If I were weak cop, I'd most assuredly target Frost of the Rays.

Oh hey preview edit:

"Nacho and RF "weak cop'd" each other. Nacho's conf-scum. Connectionzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz."

BZZT. YOU FAIL THE TEST.

I ask how you find me scummy specifically because I didn't really see how (only thing I read at first was the andrew stuff... and I thought "good points = scum now? Geezus.").

Your thought there was incorrect. I actually had you marked as town on Day 1 because of those comments, but now I've 180ed that after farside22's flip + process of elimination.

The other fail is "why not just pretend to be WC and target anybody else in the game over your scum buddy? You ensure you can't CC by claiming to WC your buddy if they ever flip."

You can't counterclaim weak cop in this setup.

[Equinox]

Oh, right.

You're still scum.

PoE: farside flipped town, nacho's scum, everybody else must be town [not following this], ray's scum.

Here's the long answer: farside22 marked andrew94 and StrungOver as her scum suspects and Equinox and RayFrost as her town reads. A bunch of other people were ragging on Fate for his little fetish with hammering the andrew94 wagon, and it's reasonable to expect those people to continue suspecting Fate after that; his behavior has been pretty strange. Therefore, since farside22 was the only one to call Fate town in the game, I can extrapolate that scum killed her, intending to push a Fate case today. Fate is most likely town. Further, Fate's behavior has been attracting negative press, and I'm pretty sure he's aware that it would.

As for Cojin, I don't see Cojin killing farside22 just because she suspected his predecessor. ...now that I think about it, I should put Cojin under "null, leaning town" because that doesn't point to Cojin not being scum, just Cojin-scum not making that particular thought. Hmm. Gonna go think on that one a bit.

I expected either DeathRowKitty or RayFrost to die overnight because they were obvtown. We all know what happened to DeathRowKitty. I'm guessing scum didn't bother with shooting him because if he was right in his hypotarget, Nachomamma8-scum was screwed anyway; thus, scum aimed at someone else. My reasoning was then that they should have shot you but didn't and instead aimed for someone who wasn't obvtown, which I thought was very strange in a game where you can easily win with PoE.

...okay, that doesn't sound as strong as it did in my head. >_>

Your reaction when I posted the wall, however, was scummy. The first thing that jumped to your mind was, "What, why am I scummy?" instead of something like, "What sort of craplogic did Equinox just do? IS SHE SCUM?" You only asked that second question later, after asking me for what specific reasons I found you to be scum.

[Equinox]

Just realized that I shouldn't be leaving scumbags at L-1. Forgot that Nachomamma8 could (and would, under the circumstances) self-hammer.

Unvote

RayFrost, you know perfectly well I am capable of some really weird logic. That said, I'm certain I worked out the potential targets correctly; it's a 7-player game, which means the more obvtown you leave alive the easier it is for them to get together and do PoE shenanigans. IMO, you and DeathRowKitty were obvtown. farside22 was

not

because 3 people suspected her. Scum need to kill obvtown in this setup, yet that didn't happen.

You're making numerous assumptions base upon scum wanting to push a fate case. You immediately jump on me when I've yet to push for fate-scum and most of the game hasn't even posted to see if your potential hypothesis here is accurate.

It's not that big of a leap, RayFrost, and I don't need to wait for people to start pushing Fate. Besides, waiting for that would be silly, seeing as multiple people suspected him at some point, and I'm not good at picking out who's the opportunist of the bunch.

[Equinox]

Shouldn't that mean that they would've killed you? Didn't you just say that you wouldn't hypocop Nachomamma8-scum if you were scum? Scum would've figured that out and killed you for being obviously town, not farside22.

Why am I even arguing this with you. I'm not budging.

[Equinox]

I REPAEAT NO HYPO WEAKCPOS TODAY EQUINOXI YOU DUMBFUCK. I THOUGHT YOU WERE BUTETER AT TOWNT HATNH THIS.

WAIT...

Fuck, I forgot that you can't risk copping in LyLo. That throws a huge wrench into this thing. Dammit.

Ugh. I think I finally agree with RayFrost on something and it's that I need sleep and a good face-wash. /facepalm

[Equinox]

Hi. I'm a townie.

[Equinox]

Here's what I had in mind when I wrote that:

1. DeathRowKitty and RayFrost were the most obviously town.
-> In this setup with only 8 players, you need to kill off the obvtown or else process of elimination kicks your ass.
2. farside22 was not obvious town; in fact, I think she had 3 people suspecting her before the night.
-> Now that I think about it, the fact that they didn't shoot DeathRowKitty either should have been an indicator...
-> Now that I think about it, they went for someone who didn't target Nachomamma8, and Nachomamma8 indicated he went for someone he specifically thought was a power role.
-> Fuck, RayFrost, you're making my head all murky. But that's my line of thought at the time I made it.
3. Since they didn't go for obvtown DeathRowKitty or RayFrost, one of them had to be scum, and DeathRowKitty was dead. (See revelations above, etc.)

This is going to look like backpedaling, and it is because I've realized the weird logical trip.

SHJFKNDGKLDG.

I want to say, "Cojin and RayFrost, bicker so I can decide which of the two of you is scum," but... uh.
Yeah, bicker so I can decide which of the two of you is scum.

[Equinox]

Also...

DAMMIT FATE, WHY DID YOU HAVE TO ARGUE WITH NACHOMAMMA8 AND BE FUCKING OBVTOWN, NOW NK ANALYSIS IS USELEEESSSSSSS.

I'm rereading later when my head hurts less. I don't know if I'll find anything useful in there, but it's worth a shot.

[Equinox]

No, read my posts again. I suspected RayFrost on Day 2, not Day 1.

[Equinox]

Not hammering.

[Equinox]

Sorry, RayFrost, but you're going to have to be patient. Unfortunately, I have no surefire way of testing which one of you is the real last townie, so I'm going to have to settle for reading the game in depth and then picking Cojin's and your arguments apart, piece by piece. I haven't had the chance to do that yet.

That said, I don't feel that your posting of such terribad stretching logic would be equi-scum trying to spread dirt on me when equi-scum would know that rayfrost-town would eat equi-scum alive for such a behavior.

In Newbie 943, you didn't tear me apart for poor logic or for "spreading dirt"; you tore me apart because I was a fence-sitter and wouldn't take a stance; I could certainly see how you'd come to this conclusion, though, considering a conversation we had a few weeks back.

So, why'd you butter me up before launching into Cojin?

Also provide some sort of reasoning and reads towards cojin and myself. What makes you think we are scum? What makes you think we are town?

Honestly, my reads are completely in the air right now. Your responses to my posts on Day 2 had me screaming, "The snowman is scum!" but then Cojin comes in and does that and you make so much reasonable sense and then...

Guh.

It's all useless...

I'm sorry, my beloved town, but I'll need you to suffer just a bit longer as I figure this out.

[Equinox]

Reason #255 why one shouldn't post at 2 AM: You don't use two semicolons in the same sentence.

That's embarrassing.

[Equinox]

"Reasoning please." <- Seriously. This was really scummy. The ones after that didn't help, but this was the main catapult.

I was referring to post 227 from Cojin. Yes, what you pointed out.

Making sense is a null tell. Unfortunately. As much as I wish it could be used as a tell either way, it just can't. Town can make craptastic cases. Scum can make logical cases. So, basically, it's up to a lot more variables than simply a case that "makes sense."

[Equinox]

Why are you asking me this?

[Equinox]

Oh, it's Day 3. Teehee. I get to take the quiz! I didn't read the rules and have just been playing blind. 93%

Seriously, though:

I hate you, last scum, for leaving me until 3p LyLo.

• Cojin claimed townie. That makes StrungOver's question about weak cops claiming their investigation targets when they're outed that much more interesting. As in, why would a
  vanilla townie
  think about this? Urk.
• RayFrost claiming hypo-cop on Nachomamma8 is a solid null.
• Looking over post 172 again, I never did say why RayFrost was scum, only that he was. But, but the "Reasoning please," it beckons to me!
• "Point to how I was scummy." Oh, how thou beckonst to me, RayFrost...
• "Oh, hi, I'm catching up. DeathRowKitty copped Nachomamma8, probably. I agree with Fate that it's Nachomamma8-RayFrost because RayFrost was too defensive. Since I'm voting Nachomamma8, here's why I'm voting for Kennedy." <- Urk. I mean, yeah, okay, I can get the logic behind RayFrost and the sheeping, but dude, you totally overjustified your vote with the comments about the caps lock and mimicry of Fate. Why must you beckon to me, too?!
• Cojin pulling a quote where I was clearly talking about Day 1 and putting it side-by-side with a quote where I was clearly talking about Day 3 LyLo and trying to paint it as a flip-flop is bullshit.

To conclude:

• RayFrost is overly defensive.
• Cojin overjustifies and mudslings.

KittyMo, I think you goofed. They're both scum. I should have been endgamed by now.

Right, then. I'm done trying to figure out the past within this thread, so I will sit here with a bag of popcorn and be entertained. Or something to that effect. Might check up on meta later to see if the two bullet points above are matters of habit.

[Equinox]

RayFrost, it wasn't just the demands for a case you could defend. The overall tone I've been getting from your play has been more defensive than offensive, like you've been trying to placate us and have us think you're town. I mean, sure, town need to look town and understand how to look town in the eyes of others, but you're just

off

, and I can't really articulate it much more than what has already been said.

I like the cases on me and around me to be valid rather than bullshit.

So do I, but when I think a case is bullshit, I just call bullshit. "Tell me, specifically, why I am scummy" is a scum reaction when they don't understand a case against them.

---

Cojin, you're accusing RayFrost of... lying? I'm afraid I don't see it. Being overly defensive doesn't equate to straight-up lying; those two things are entirely different.

for those who are looking at my past games and notice im acting extreamly diffrently is because

im trying to take treat this game as if it were on IRC.

Why would you do this?

It's funny that you mention this as soon as I mention that I'm about to use meta. Normally, I don't consider playing differently from meta to be a scum tell, but you pulling this out before I even say anything about your meta raises eyebrows.

---

If I were to compare your votes on Nachomamma8, I'd say RayFrost has more footing than you do, Cojin. Yes, the strongest point of your case was essentially the same as RayFrost's: DeathRowKitty targeted Nachomamma8 and died; ergo, Nachomamma8 is scum.

That makes me wonder, then, why you bothered to interpret Nachomamma8's all-caps posting. That was unnecessary, and it looks to me like you were padding your case to make it look better than everyone else's.

There are a couple of things I want to look up before I slap down a vote. Dead players, I don't recommend holding your breath. I, uh, use a lot of battery.

[Equinox]

I see your prod and raise you a post.

Sorry. I was supposed to read and stuff, but... uh... I blame marathon weekend.

[Equinox]

Sorry. Monday and Tuesday have not been particularly nice to me, and I'm running on single digit hours of sleep at the moment. I'll slap down a vote tomorrow morning.

[Equinox]

Oh, Equinox is in this game. I sure hope she's hungry...

I am now.

Vote: Cojin

I am going to hate myself for a while if RayFrost is actually scum. Knowing my luck, he probably is, but the evidence is against Cojin. Nachomamma8 claimed a hypotarget on RayFrost; Nachomamma8-scum has some pretty big brass balls, but he locked himself into a claim as a second claimant, and it's a lot easier and better for the team to claim a target on a townie at that point rather than a buddy.

[Equinox]

Fyi: you chose correctly.

The question is: Correctly for you or for me?

good job rayfrost.

Look at this scumbag, laughing at me from the grave. DON'T WIFOM ME.

[Equinox]

I didn't know how to respond, Fate. In the face of such genuine and heartfelt love, any response I could give you would look insignificant and pitiful.

[Equinox]

HOLY SHIT. I BROKE MY FUCKING LONG LYLO STREAK. THIS IS AWESOME.