There being a vig doesn't tell us much about the setup, but that's fine.
(inb4 someone votes me for laughing at the NK...which I've now ensured will happen by posting this...)
Nah, you were ttly scum. You just don't realize it.farside22 wrote:Vote: DRK
For blatantly lying in one post.
So far the last 2 games we were in I flipped town. Only scum spread lies.
Sundy wrote:Hola people. What a bloody beginning.
VOTE: Animorph
"We can't tell you who we are. Or where we live."
You haven't pointed out any errors. You said my post is too early because we need connections. Explain how connections would help with what I pointed out.DeathRowKitty wrote:Is that what I'm analyzing? No, it's not. Tell me what connections we need before my post can make sense.animorpherv1 wrote:DeathRowKitty wrote:I'm not analyzing deaths. I'm analyzing Sundy's post. No connections are needed at all.
You're analyzing his post because he has no NK reference...
What kind of connections do you want for that to be valid? Hm? I asked this like 3 posts ago and you still haven't responded. I'll help you along here: there are none. Now stop defending the scummy players.I wrote:Vote: Sundy for finding it necessary to comment on the fact that there were night kills without saying anything about them
No. No no no no no no no no no. No.}|{opa wrote:No, I'm not. May be you.DRK wrote:
Do you see nothing remotely worth voting for?
It is scummy to make a quick case on someone as soon as get two RVS votes himself, isn't it?
I'm not quiting RVS, just keeping an eye on you and not unvoting. I'd rather continue with RQS for now.
Q: How much should we rely on setup speculation?
A: A lot! I always loved it.
Q: How do you think the events of N0 played out?
A: I've already posted my thoughts on the night actions and a setup. Imo we have a variant with TTTTCVB. andrew94 was a Mafia Goon and he has been killed by a SK.
@cjdrum:N0 shot is very bad and anti-town play for a Vig. What makes you think Romanus did it? Did you know something interesting about Romanus?cjdrum wrote: And, how lucky is it (for the Mafia) that they got the Vig, and for us that the Vig got his kill in (on a Mafioso), too! The irony.
Are you going to address it or just hope to discredit me so everyone will ignore what i said?}|{ wrote:@DeathRowKitty. Am I so bad or you still trying to make a cases out of nowhere?
I just wanted to say you make things too quick like it something hurt your arse.
Huh?}|{ wrote:Proverbs 28:1 The wicked flee when no one pursues.
@DeathRowKitty
Well, if all that is as you said and those two votes did not hurt you then you a scum even more.
You may continue to believe this if you wish. I see no reason to argue theory with someone unwilling to actually consider whether or not his opinions are wrong. I gave reasons. You just repeated what you said with no reason.}|{ wrote:Well, my first thought was that Romanus is famous for his bad play at being a Vig. And, DRK, you totally not right here - Vig should never kill so early. It's very bad if he did.
Gosh, is everyone I attack this game going to try to defend by attacking me back? I expected to get voted as a joke for the end part of my post. If I was nervous, why draw extra attention like that?Sundy wrote:As for being "nervous," Kitty, you outright apologized in advance for making a joke about the NK lest someone misinterpret you.
I can lurk if it would make you feel more comfortable...farside wrote:DRK: your scaring me. I recall our last game together and you were not this verbal. I'm frightened as hell.
Clearly I don't understand. Explain it to me.Jora wrote:I found significantly nothing to addres on this matter. Your magic 14 is crap and I wish you understand it by yourself.
Not sure I find it worth it to respond to most of what Jora said if he's town. Not sure there's much to respond to again "I think you're scum trying to draw a cop investigation!" If that's what being aggressive looks like, then so be it. Also, I think you're town. I therefore offer you thisTT wrote:@DRK: response to }|{'s post?
Timing is everything.HF wrote:-DRK for accusing Sundy on NK comment (TT did too??)
I thought it was pretty decent for early pressureHF wrote:-DRK pushing Sundy votes for NK comment. (bad)
-DRK overexagerrating animorph's "too early" for serious votes comment. (bad)
-DRK accusing anomorph of defending Sundy (bad)
In his very first post of the game, he posted something to the effect of "Whoa! Two people died!" with no other comment on it at the time. No reference to scum dying. No reference to vig dying. Basically, it seems like he just mentioned it to fit in, when there was plenty I would expect someone commenting on NKs to possibly want to say.HF wrote:-DRK...why is Sundy scummy if not for analyzing the nk when he commented on them?
Is this the same situation?HF wrote:-DRK (who earlier argues the likelihood of a Vig killing N0) states he wouldn't expect a one-shot vig to shoot night 1.
Post 74 was me telling people to hold off until we had information to work with to start speculating on what roles were in the game, not me speculating on the setup.HF wrote:-Posts 73 DRK tells people to not speculate on setup and then in the next post (post 74) he speculates on setup .
If you don't think the actions themselves are scummy, is it the pattern of actions you think is scummy? And, yes, I over-exaggerated on ani. I don't like people making excuses for my targets....HF wrote:Bad because I did not agree with them...not necessarily bad in a scummy way (individually) but all together things I would keep in mind.
1) I didn't find anything too suspicious with Sundy's opening post/nk assessment. As I did not see what DRK could have hoped for Sundy to have said, considering the NKs had comments to relate them to, I found his reason to voting Sundy a bit weak...and to suggest in two subsequent posts to others that a Sundy vote was better than a RV IMO exhibited overeagerness to form a Sundy wagon.
2&3) It appeared animorph had a similar assessment of DRK's thoughts on Sundy so therefore I disagreed with most of what DRK said in his exchange with Animorph. It seemed to me to be an overexaggeration, i.e. making a bigger deal than necessary, when DRK said animorph was defending Sundy and when he said animorph was content with random votes for 20 pages.
I've been in all those games since the start, plus one more under an alt. Until stopped posting for marathon weekend, would you ever have guessed?Jora wrote:I don't see how he can be helpful if he overloaded with the graet amount of games he's currently in. So how could we ever know whether he is scummy or just inattentive?! I don't wanna see him in LyLo.
I'm sure you're a nice person too, even if your username is a huge pain to type correctly.Jora wrote:@DeathRowKitty. What a nice person you are! I can't even FoS you. Just can't. I hope you not a scum.
I think it was certainly the best wagon at the time, so I'm not too concerned. If you're concerned about it though, you should analyze it and tell us which people on it were scum.yabba wrote:This is a required question to everyone who was on the Jora wagon initially, but what does everyone make of the quickwagon on him earlier?
Would you believe me if I told you I didn't see he expressed suspicion of me? -_-HF wrote:yet she continues to pop in and puts a vote down on yabba based on gut conveniently right after yabba expresses suspicions towards DRK.
Also, should probably mention that this isn't really true.HF wrote:DRK seems to have no problem posting in other games.
I kind of feel bad trying to make meta excuses for this but....well, that's exactly what I'm going to do. I have some ridiculous love/hate relationship with mafia. It causes me to join games for the wrong reasons, post actively for a while, then suddenly reach a point in which posting normally simply isn't an option for me. I can link you to a couple of my fairly recent games in which that happened if you want, but I'd honestly be linking you to my two worst-played games and quite frankly, they're embarrassing. At the very least, just check my posts. Whenever I've been inactive here, I've been posting actively in at most one thread. As for suddenly being more active again, well, check my posts to see my general trend in posting site-wide. What you're picking up on has nothing to do with my alignment and everything to do with what playing mafia does to me mentally.havingfitz wrote:Pardon the delayed reply TT. At the moment I prefer DRK over the other lurkers because of the continued excuse posts (aka lack of interest), chiming in just enough to avoid prods/replacement....voting based on "useless gut" reads when there should be better reasons than gut at this point IMO. ani/bv just haven't done squat so I do not think they warrant a vote. Star was an option....and yabba ass well. DRK just rose to the top for me. And funny enough I notice a little surge in her posting sooooo
This was your reasoning then? Let's break this down into parts:HF wrote:I don't care for DRK's continued cameo appearances where she lets us know that she's not intested in the game...yet she continues to pop in and puts a vote down on yabba based on gut conveniently right after yabba expresses suspicions towards DRK. And while it gives (or gave) me a headache dealing with farside...for you [DRK] to advocate we not post anymore is in effect trying to restrain two of the most active posters. My top suspect isn't getting any attention so I'll try elsewhere.
VOTE: DRK
2) If you think it was the interfering that was weird, then that's purely on ani's end of things. If you think there was something strange about the way I went after him, then that's what would be theoretically making me scummy from that instance. However, if it's just the interfering that you find strange, then you should be taking a closer look at my ani/Sundy theory, considering he was awkwardly interfering with my attack on Sundy.}|{opa wrote:1) No. I was literally shocked when realized the actual amount of games you had been being involved.
2) May be it had not been staged from very begining. But really in my opinion it was something wierd with that interfering. Or with your scumhunting. Or both.
3) I don't have a case on you. Just a strong suspicion. Even more, I guess it's nothing I can say that will make you or somebody else to be look scummy unless I claim PR with any (direct or indirect) guilty results. At current time the only thing which makes you scummy is your own posts.
Actually, without making reference to "The Basics of RVS Scumhunting" or "Jeep's Common Tells", explain why each part of that is scummy. Basically, explain what about the mindset of a scum player would make him/her more likely to do either.ZeroFang wrote:This is up to page 5. I had not read beyond at the time of writing.
cjdrum wrote:How lucky is it (for the Mafia) that they got the Vig, and for us that the Vig got his kill in (on a Mafioso), too! The irony.I want to point this out. I'm surprised everyone missed it (except Jora, a page later). Not only does he comment on the results of last night (withcjdrum wrote:Wait, we're not RVSing any more?
Unvote
I'm confoozled, I got here and RVSd and got told off?glee), but also pulls the classic "Oh, I didn't know we weren't RVSing". I highly recommend everyone here take a class in The Basics of RVS Scumhunting, as well as reading Jeep's Common Tells. Stuff like this shouldn't get away unnoticed.
I only defended you as much as pertained to ZF's accusations. He said it was strange I didn't attack you, so I said why I didn't think what he pointed out made you scum.cjdrum wrote:Although... DeathRowKitty: You do seem to be "defending" me an awful lot.
a) Why do it?
b) Why me?
At the moment, it kind of looks to me as if you're trying to get me killed if you flip scum - but I don't know. IGMEOY, though.
That was my way of trying to get myself back into the game more than anything else. It's something I picked up from playing a lot of chat mafia: when I'm feeling lost in a game, I look back and try to make something out of the start of the game. It's a lot more common for me to be right in my early reads and WIFOM myself out of them than for me to be wrong in my early reads and correctly adjust them. Scum just tend to be more obvious at certain times than others. The start of the game is a big one, since scum don't have anything good to latch onto and are forced to actually try to mimic town play, instead of just playing naturally. Either way, I'm actually going to go back and analyze the first few pages properly later today. I plan on doing it without looking at my prior notes of which posts were town and scum to avoid any sort of confirmation bias.}|{opa wrote:DRK's 309 = IMO useless. It's just list of nicks with theirTT wrote:BUTTERED TOAST
DRK: I don't think her arguments are based on emotion; love her 309. The inactive to active means nothing, and she is scum-hunting better than most in this gamefirst two pagesposts numbers and unsubstantiated statements like someone is scummy and someone is not. Also, DRK's "scumhunting" is not impress me. I still remember his 14 items argument against me, and now it seems he just returned back on "Sundy's 1st post = scum" theory.
without any seeming intention to answer this "game-changing question." Sure, he says he was looking for our input, but it really seems like he has no interest in it beyond bringing it up. Also,ZF wrote:Now, here is a possible game-changing question. Is his attitude of "I hope you die, the game is constipated and it's all your fault" more likely to be perpetrated by scum or town?
^ that's scummy, given that I recently called his slot scum. He's basically saying "btw guys, you can ignore everything DRK says because he has emotions and can't be a source of reason." Basically, looking to discredit me to take the easy way out.ZF wrote:Don't fight with emotions (*ahem*, DRK). It doesn't work, and in my personal opinion, it severely discredits you as a reliable source of reason.
Where do these numbers come from? I mean, I can see from the fact that you constantly have consecutive numbers consecutive in the the string of digits that you keymashed, but why numbers and why did you pick something around 90% as opposed to, oh, say, 95% or 80% or something? (no, I'm not just nitpicking on something meaningless)yabbaguy wrote:Vote: ToastyToast
Still relatively high confidence. Call it 91.237429384710298346298237409128346201982390740981235612098374098562903874%. If you feel I misrepresented that percentage by a margin of error of +/- .002354721%, lynch me.
Please note that self-confidence bias may be a significant factor in influencing confidence threshold for this vote.
Quoting random percentages may or may not be a scum tell (well, it's definitely a scum tell, but I'm not sure how strong of a tell it is...). It's a way of overjustifying a vote/suspicion (How sure am I? I'm this sure, dammit!). So I expect an answer anyway.yabbaguy wrote:Whatever about the percentage crap, I meant that in jest. No answer to any question regarding that. As for the SK discussion, I did forget about the fact that there was a multi-kill N0 and then a vig flip, but, and call me crazy if you will, I'm still not entirely sold about being able to dismiss SK as a possibility. Could've been SK and Maf shooting with Vig inhibiting their kill. Does Romanus seem the sort to attempt an N0 vig?
That said, happy to assume no SK. I will concede that statistical likelihood suggests against an SK existing.