Open 300 - Mafia on Midol (Town Wins!)

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Vote SudoNym

chck is also a good vote, but far less good.

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Post 68. Im not actually joking, its a small scumtell.

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its that he posted an non game related post and didnt comment on the non-random type things that had been happening imo

We have a winner. Someone at L-4 on page three with a serious wagon is something worth commenting on.

Speaking of that one, I dont really like the wagon too much. DH just seems to be confused more then anything else to me, so im not happy with it. Would rather lynch a handful of others.

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LF: Confused about what? He seems pretty confident in his trap and vote on Papa Z. I don't understand where you're coming from with that.

Who else is lynch worthy thus far?

Maybe its me being confused over the whole thing, I just dont really understand what is happening, and the responses from DH seem to suggest he also doest get it much either.

Not any other scum reads, but its four pages into the game and half the game has at most one post.

You ignored my read on Sudo though, thoughts on it?

also please dont use big words, I feel stupid having to google those things

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Well, I assume you have more than one scumspect when you say you'd rather lynch a handful of others.

Its a nice little cluster of people in the neutral reads at this point. DH I just have this little gut feeling that he is town so tails the pack.

That's mostly because (even though it's gotten a little serious) it's still pretty much in and out of RVS right now so I don't know what to distinguish as what ATM.

RVS stage long gone. Who is scum and why?

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also please dont use big words, I feel stupid having to google those things

Metempsychosis! You're going to have to learn these words eventually.

I know what lugubrious means because of this



But I dont think thats helping my case of being a master wordsmith though.

That is here nor there, what matters is getting a wagon going on Sudo before he posts again.

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Llama, so you're confirming that it's okay for Cogito to do it... but not Sudo? Got it.

Only have one vote here. That moved CES up a bit though, but I see his early vote as being a minor contribution to the game in getting a wagon kickstarted.

starting to think chk is town afterall here given this last page.

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Good part with chk also is that there are already a few people who if flip scum he is essentially confirmed scum, and few where if they flip scum he is basically confirmed town. Fun stuff

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Which isn't especially more to go on, given the general silliness of RVS. Were there something worth commenting on, I'd have commented on it.

Well there was the early random-ish crazy wagon, then the seemingly serious DH wagon that took off and had five people (including Fate who counts as three noise wise) which you never commented on. You have the same vote out as before, that serious?

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So.

DH is probably town.

Lets move on now.

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Oh also its come to my attention that SP is probably scum.

Just saying.

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<3 Im sure Furry enjoys that more then me though, split personalities act very differently

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I propose a town alliance of Thor, Bob, DH and myself.

Lets rock this game.

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;_;

Obviously town people only in this alliance. That DH wagon was on probably town since its early stages. You actually never made the turnaround on the people who look really bad on it, so you dont get the townpoints from it. Simple really. Sudo vote is ok, but it took way to long to come around and it seems to be unrelated to what got kicked up.

Sudo or Socio, lets pick one and take it to the bank.

@Fate - You play a way that disrupts the more calm town dominating playstyles from what I have seen. So while you have good play for most people, your style actually can damage players (town or not) who dont think like you. Ultra-aggro is hard for me to play with because there never is a break to really stop and get in a few questions at key times because action is continually being pushed, forcing me to play on the fly, which unless I have similar reads to what you are pushing, is a pain.

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I cant wait for Spy to get here. He is in the alliance already.

You pushed the wagon and then fell off it, but your reaction really didnt seem based on that information that you got off it is my problem.

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AGar takes scum spot #3. One more to go folks and this game is wrapped up.

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@Sudo - Current read on DH/Nacho slot. Go.
@Socio - You too.

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48 hours on the weekend can be difficult...

Also im out of town late thursday to late saturday at the earliest. Sunday is a much better bet.

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Unvote
Vote AGar

Fate if you sheep here I will give you a trial membership in the town alliance.

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@AGar - What makes the defense of DH from Crazy differ from the defense from all the other people who were off the wagon? Do you still read both players as scum?

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unvote
Vote SN

AGar is back off the hook.

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Apparently mod missed my V/LA post where I was gone until at least today.

Oops (I didn't penalize any of you due to the weekend). If you could bold it next time, it would be much appreciated. <3

I could do a Sudo or NS lynch here, Sudo with a large prefrence, this is both based on who is on the wagons, and my strength of reads.

@Sudo - Can you make a nice case on Nacho here? Last you mentioned him Nacho was somewhat good posting and that was about it. Who else is scum here?

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@Ran - You have to be insane here if you think that Nacho could possibly be scum given the way he has come into the game. There has been lots of interest in four people to the extent that they have had a legitimate chance of being lynched; Sudo, NS, Crazy and DH/Nacho. What Nacho has done upon entering the game is actually freely scumhunt instead of moving into survival tactic in any way. Why would scum come into the game and try and take down chck who quite a few of the more power players in the game has decided is leaning town, or at least are conflicted on? If he wanted to just look for life, he could have followed what was already there, yet he tried to quietly (key word) blaze his own trail.

Doing that shows motive of trying to find scum instead of either fiegn it or just not be lynched. He even has a back and forth with one of the big names (NS) and doesnt move his vote there, choosing to keep it one a player who is really not going to get lynched. Now he moves it to Nik, which on a side eis a comepletly decent vote since Nik lurks like no other when he is scum, instead of bandwagoning, again. This is not the behavior of someone who is scum, but someone who is town and trying to catch scum. Plus he is not lurking that badly, Nacho-scum is much quieter than Nacho-town. I just see lack of scum motives from that slot, and had a netural to leaning town read on DH given the quick wagon formation that I really never followed well, which tends to be a town getting wagoned flag.

You dont give a case on him really either, you just accuse him of OMGUSing chck. When he replaced in it would be kinda hard not to OMGUS someone since half the game was pushing on him. Plus I do see (some) of what I think he is getting at in those quotes, especially the first one which is all kinds of nasty.

Sudo is doing as close to nothing as possible. He hasnt really built much of a DH case, but made every move possible to stay off the wagon early, citing high vote fears, which really arent anything to be afraid of if you make it well known that you are putting someone at a high number of votes, especially if you are going to snap the vote as soon as they lose a few, which apparently was his plan. Apart from that, what has he done? Commented on Zorb lurking? Well he has flaked so point there is gone... think he has made a few other small comments, but for the most part he is making attempts to defend himself and his playstyle instead of actually trying to catch scum, the exact opposite of what Nacho is doing here.

So yeah, Nacho is town. Sudo is scum. Move your vote accordingly.

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Also its fluff, not puff. If you could not constantly use the term "fluff post" too I would be happy since it always makes me pause thinking its about me.

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Psst. Look at my 486^. I'll decide after Sudo replies, if he does. ;o

What do you think of my 486?

My job is to slant everything regardless of alignment (according to farside), so if I can get you to hop early, im going to. Your 486 is very information heavy and seems to just beat around the bush a bit too much for me. I really dont like doing that unless im trying to trap someone into showing they are scum like I was with AGar earlier. Just get to the point more.

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Nah. I'd like to have answers before hopping on anything. [You know, I'm trying to question Sudo before I make an analysis here] Scum have info, we don't. I tried to make it as concise as possible, and I even put the quotes in spoilers. :3 (I hate using spoilers though, be glad I didn't force you to look at the quotes ;o )

Also I think Agar is town.

Fair enough, but you dont have to wait for Sudo to comment on the two big paragraphs I put up about Nacho.

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@Llama:

#493 relies too much on the "scum lurk, town doesn't" assumption. There are more than four players lurking, so the logic is obv-fail. Did you give your opinion about AGar's argument that "doing nothing" (which is most of what Sudo has done wrong) fails to further a scum wincon?

For some players like Nacho, and Nik to the extent where I am happy lynching him day two flat out if he is lurking, it is a massive tell and I will apply it as I see fit for the people that I know it matches the meta of over multiple games. Lurking and posting without saying anything are two different things, which transitions nicely into

My problem with Sudo, and why I am voting him over NS, is more then him not posting, but when he does, there is little there if anything. Most of what he has posted hasnt really been doing anything conducive to finding scum.

As I already stated, there was the wierd pause in actually voting for DH just because he was at a high number of votes even though he was apparently very sure that he was scum. Eventually he jumped on him, and now seems to just be puttering around on if he should back off DH or not.

@Ran - CES and Punk are both aggressively neutral for me. Neither have gotten past a leaning one direction read.

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This game needs a kick and if no one else will do it I damn will.

Deadline is in three days and a couple hours change, we need to actually act like its coming up instead of pulling these circles of "What do you think of X?" stuff.

@Sudo - Claim
@NS - How about that content? Also move your vote.
@Ran/Naco - You guys too, move your votes.

We need to actually start moving to a concise conclusion here, and that means votes on wagons or large posts on why they are obviously town. Also a claim.

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Like, srsly, ANYTHING.

Give an example of content for him in the meantime? Why is he scum? Who else is scummy?

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You would be willing to lynch someone and call for the claim of someone who is not scummy to you?

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This close to deadline, a claim can't hurt. It will, in fact, help along the wagon. You

have

played this game before, haven't you? (Disclaimer: I do, in fact, know you've played this game before.)

You sorta dodged the biggest point of my question here.

Who is your top suspect? Right now you are seeming to throw support behind the Sudo wagon because its deadline and *maybe* other reasons. If you could just day vig a player who is it? Sure deadline is a time to compramise a bit, but the fact is you really havent shown anything to even compramise on this game. Reads, go.

Cant help but feel this is a hope for a VT claim so you can just lynch him.

No longer so sure im on the right wagon. Need to think about this one.

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Vote Sociopath

@Oman In - what type of spot is NS for you right now?
@Plum - Why NS over Sudo?
@NS - You avoided the big wagons yesterday, why? Reads now?
@AGar - Can you explain the relationship between DH and Crazy? Which is more likely to be scum independently?

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Vote Nobody Special

[b/]

Power hammer!

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Vote AGar

Stuff still bugs me, I will dig up the case on him later. Nothing else to report.

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Hmmm, what do you think of Socio's reason for voting you? Is it legit?

Defended NS part probably is to an extent. Rest is really isnt explained as it isnt really there.

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@LF/Crazy

Go scramble to bring something to the table.

The really confusing logic that I cant ever figure out between DH-Crazy that to me just makes me feel all types of bad since it was between two (one confirmed now) town reads. I consider stuff I cant follow well scummy since if its a town thought it should be easily explainable.

Also your hop from NS to Sudo at the end of day one.

You just continue to set off gut all over. If I was a vig, cop, etc. Zero doubt I would have blasted you by now, something feels wrong and I will probably continue to feel uncomfortable over you until I see a flip or something along that line.

Still think Crazy is scum?

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The really confusing logic that I cant ever figure out between DH-Crazy that to me just makes me feel all types of bad since it was between two (one confirmed now) town reads. I consider stuff I cant follow well scummy since if its a town thought it should be easily explainable.

How is it hard to follow "Crazy made a really awkward defense of a player that seemed scummy and I felt the motivations were insincere."

Then why didnt you just say that flat out instead of turning it into quote walls?

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Cyber is correct about the simle tell as well. Beleive it or not its better than mafia in game average at catching scum.

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@Agar - Maybe its just that I cant really understand how its a tell. Even with Nacho having flipped town, I cant see Crazy being scum to the extent where I would almost be willing to fakeclaim something saying that he is town.

@Oman Inn - what way have your reads progressed since day one?
@chck - Can you explain your end of day one thoughts a little better? The Sudo vote seemed out of place to me.
@CES - I already have a gut town read on you, setup it up yet?
@SP - What is your read on AGar?

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Just my train of thought derailing worse then normal.

I have a gut read on you but you are just coasting. Asking for more from you here.

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I'm not certain I know which post you're inquiring about, Fluff.

Your vote for Sudo while calling Crazy and NS scum. You were seeming to call everyone possible scum at the end of the day

I unvoted Nobody Special because I found more merit in lynching active Crazyscum than lurker NScum. Where did I say I was unvoting because he promised content? I've already said I'm trying to slim them down, so I really have nothing else to say of that point.

Why Sudo over them?

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At this point no, chck is on a shortlist of who would be acceptable lynches today.

If I had to call all remaing scum, its AGar-chck-TS, although im least sure of TS out of those. I dont like reading hydras though since I usually think one head is town and another is scum.

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Only if people assure me that they will read into an AGar lynch if I die overnight. Just have this wierd feeling that im going to get NKed and he might get away as scum. Cannot shake that feeling.

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Also I will join up.

unvote
Vote chck

Town List
Oman
Crazy
CES
Thor?
Punk?
Plum?

chck scum turns thor/punk to town above CES level

@Thor - Yes. I just get gut reads all over his slot.

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unvote
Vote AGar

Plum just explained it better than I could.

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Simle tell is actually valid as a minor one.

Plums tells are very valid.

I still think something was up with the DH-Crazy movement too.

L-2.

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Meh, im going to bet if AGar is scum SP is actually town here.

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I'd still like for you to explain it somehow. Tell me in one sentence why you are feeling an Agar lynch toDay.

Not sure if I have time to. Have to go take a final in about 20 minutes.

Why do you feel we shouldnt lynch him?

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Hey Llamafluff why the powerhammer tag fuckup thing

Reaction fishing. Didnt expect it to be counted.

@Ythill (yes im talking directly to you here) - If its going to come down to AGar and chck, I like AGar about a 100 times more, at this point there has been a lot of action with him today on reads, and he is in the minority in a few early day votecounts. Its not time to let pressure up yet, even though im not quite 100% sure he is todays lynch. Chck I am willing to just let continue on his own for now, I think the amount of flack he has picked up, he will dig his own grave as scum or get cleared by association as town.

@TS - Why are you concerned so much about how Ythill does VCA? Explain how AGar works as compared to other reads, it seems a little fluid for my liking.

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@Llama:

You're paying attention right?

Are you?

AGar wagon needs more pressure in just a few areas since there are a few wildcards that I really want to gage a reaction off of that continue to sort of just drift along, and I want those reads down today because the grey area of my notes are just really fluid. I think continuing to get people either hard backing or defending an AGar wagon will be the best way to actually transition some of those reads.

Not really understanding Oman hate too. Lurking across the board is not a tell, and when we have quite a few legitimate wagons, people going after him is rubbing me wrong all over. With about four or five players throwing out the "oh he is scum" comment at this point makes me very happy with a call of at least one of them flipping scum. Actually like him as town in part due to how people are just going for him for a null tell as opposed to in game actions.

@CES - What do you want me to say? That you hit a scumtell early and since then have been acting more townish since then? Really dont know what you are even looking for in an answer there.

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Are you?

Read this and this and then answer my question. Jury's still out on Oman,

if you know what I'm talking about.

Tell you what, I'll put AGar @ L-2 as soon as the Not Voting list is empty.

Figured that was ment for AGar... huh

Anyways, chck isnt scum because if my other reads are right he isnt scum by association with those read. So he isnt my vote for today, and if we arent lynching AGar, im actually wanting to move the game in an entirely new direction.

Will hold you too that as well.

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...if we arent lynching AGar, im actually wanting to move the game in an entirely new direction.

Which direction would that be. I think a wagon on CES would be informative, and there seems to be a fair amount of support for it.

A direction that I would prefer people not to know about so they keep acting natural.

I really feel like I have the entire team down to about five or six people here.

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@Llama:

If you are that confidant, I don't see the point of keeping it secret.

If you lynch: AGar, Ran, TS and Thor I would be shocked if more then one scum was left. Would bet on those four contain 3 scum over 1, heavy bet it.

Thats because: SP, Crazy, Oman and if my other reads are remotely right, chck and PZ are town.

Everyone else are in the inbetween area, and wrap up any straggler scum.

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Hmmm, I see. I have never seen you mention me before. What do you feel is scummy about me?

You match perfectly as scum with most of my scum reads.

Also, I see you addressing multiple people alot of times, which is nice. I just don't see you addressing me, which makes me think you don't care about what I have to say.

You have nothing that I feel needs to be addressed, I feel you are wrong about a whole lot though.

Btw why do you feel Thor is scummy?

Same reason you are scummy. However you probably arent both scum

Its one of [CES/Thor/Ran]
and one of [Plum/Punkin/TS]

*tah dah*

Also absolutely not. You move your vote to AGar, I would love to see what happens if he hits L-1.

Why is AGar town again? Anyone off AGar wagon can answer this.

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What do you feel I am wrong about? You speak, I'll listen.

I see AGar-Thor as a legitimate pairing, but individually Thor much more likely to be town, so it means he is the wrong lynch. AGar flipping scum not only locks down people like Crazy and SP to be town, but at the same time gives more weight to cases like Thor, TS and yourself who are my top picks for AGar partners.

Why would you love to see what happens when he hits l-1?

Too many people are ignoring the wagon. Thats a great way of making them notice. Join me here. No one is going to bite your head off for it, and it will really force some content specific posting by people that you seem to think are scummy as someone will be at L-1.

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AGar at L-1?



Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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Can you show me examples of where you see Agar/Thor connections?

There were some mild exchanges early where it seemed Thor had AGar in a mildy negative light but then seemed very willing to challenge me when I moved to an AGar vote on the first day. Rubs me wrong with my current read on AGar.

Ah, I thought you wanted to see a self-hammer or a claim. I don't usually need to get someone to l-1 to force content from

OTHER

people. If I want to force content from others and they still won't contribute, I'll just vote

THEM

, not the popular vote to hope they post. Simple as that.

Well either of those things wouldnt hurt, but a lot of people are ignoring the elephant in the room which is the large wagon. The problem with pressuring them directly is that it actually detracts from the wagon slightly since it breaks it down a little.

I actually think it may be almost time for an AGar claim just because this wagon aint going anywhere elsewise.

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Also +brownie points for identifying chowder (its not bad that I watch it daily as a college student right?)

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Wheres Fate to threaten that quickhammer when needed...

@punkin - I like the case you have there on Thor, again though, im not willing to lynch him today, or at very least not right now.

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lolfatejr

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Note how Agar wasn't in a hurry to claim either, so he must not have cared about claiming before dying.

Whats the point of this?

Also my reads have been given already, this hammer really doesnt change much for them.

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Sometimes people wont claim unless someone expresses intent to actually hammer.

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Hi.

Time for me to claim, specifically cop.

I have two living innocents, and a dead Guilty in AGar (why I wasnt going to budge yesterday).

So the doctor that I now know exists, I could use a little bit of protection

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The obvious reasons for thinking a cop exists of course.

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Looking over his ISO again, a Thor lynch really isn't a bad idea, either, since he also had scummy interactions with both NS and AGar, perhaps even more obviously than chk did.

I'll be happy either way.

Well its not both, and I lean way from chck either way

Is there anything wrong with me just claiming my innocents at this point? Scum have to doc hunt either way already.

I think all scum are just in about four players at this point though unless im reading a few people very wrong.

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Vote Ran

NO ONE hammers anyone without me saying so today, also not without them claiming.

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Vote wherever. Like I said, im not going to pull the plug on a cleared player wagon until they hit L-1.

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Llama, out of curiosity, why did you claim? I thought it was pretty obvious by the end of yesterday.

Now that I know there is a doc, just have to make sure they are paying attention. This game is essentially tied up with my two clears, a couple prob towns, and another possible claim... I seriously think scum are narrowed down to four people, five max. I was not kidding when I said that yesterday. Not going to lose a huge advantage because someone isnt reading close.

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@Llama:

I've been running through the various scenarios in my head and I actually don't see the harm in outing your innocents. Since you have two, you'll be able to stay one investigation ahead of the scumz even if they decide to start killing them off, plus you'd be tempting them to forgo doc hunting. Also, one of them is already obvious. On the up-side, we know there is no GF and it's pretty clear that your claim is honest: having two more confirmed green will help us quite a bit. With your investigations and my analysis, we might be able to wrap this game up with two lynches.

Im still debating. Not sure if scum chasing my innocents is a good thing or not.

I think tomorrow is where I claim, as it leaves us at ultra worse case scenario at 10 alive, 2 cleared, one 99% clear and a dead doc. Best case 10 alive 4 clear one 99% clear.

Also am I wrong in thinking tomorrow we no lynch and I dont claim if I hit an innocent?

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Makes it odd number of players (good thing), worst case I lose an innocent and gain one upping porportion of confirmed town alive (good thing).

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Yeah, im thinking more and more that the claim here is best (although im not quite as comfortable on cyber as punkin is).

Given that my N1 is just super obvious though at this point, yeah I will claim.

N1 Oman
N2 AGar
N3 Twilight

Really cant read hydras well given that their inconsistancy between heads triggers one of the biggest things that I look for when scumhunting normally. Eitherway, the reaction with AGar yesterday felt like scum trying to see if they should bus or not.

If scum want to play chase with my clears, that works for me at this point. Ythill tends to be fairly successful with VCA, and I think that offsets the disadvantage of telling scum who my targets have been.

Obviously if we have a watcher they are protecting TS/Oman tonight

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Flip flopping on Ran a little here. If he understands the setup he is town, if he doesnt he is leaning scum. Need to figure this out a bit better first.

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If he understands the setup he is town, if he doesnt he is leaning scum.

I think it's the opposite, actually. Explain how you got here?

Quid pro quo: If he understands the setup, Ran suspecting you is him suspecting that you'd stake the lives of 2/3 of your remaining team on a 50% chance of there not being a cop/doc combo, while also removing your main tool for dealing with that combo. In other words, if he is neither clueless nor thinks the mafia is, then he is scum.

I figure by understanding the setup, there is no reason to attack me as scum since he knows im telling the truth. Attacking me will instantly antagonize one of the players in the game with the most athority, who has just claimed role information, practically suicidal since I can just get him lynched today, or cop him tonight eliminating him quickly. Given that attacking me is near suicide as scum, he is town if he understands the setup unless his partner is in a place of near inconcieveable power, even then, its next to suicide since at least four of his partners upcoming kills, odds on five, are wasted already, elimnating any chance of manipulating lylo to ideal.

Now, if he doesnt get the setup, he may be hoping to get me lynched somehow today, or at least avoid getting caught long enough to pull of a lynch a little later in the game as he failed to realize what my presence also means, meaning this would need to be a complete scumteam gambit, which is very unlikely. I see the poor play given the setup from him signifying that as scum he has no idea what the setup is, at the same time though, not knowing the setup... why claim vanilla? This just really has me on edge and doubting my read, but the last thing I want is to out a doctor today.

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Didnt get a guilty, also im out of town starting around this time tomorrow until late Saturday/early Sunday.

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Scum probably were doctor fishing with the Plum kill, I dont like lynching today much.

Ultra worst case scenario we have three confirmed town going into a nine player situation with a dead doctor, not claiming the result right now since I think no lynch is the best move. If we were lynching, I would claim, I like throwing out the no lynch now though since we cant accidently out the doctor.

Also the +1 on not claiming is it really can screw over scum in a massclaim if we get to that, since I will have some unknowns as confirmed town, and scum may accidently counterclaim one of them.

Im thinking we are looking at one of CES/Thor and one of the wildcards though.

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@Crazy - I would rather wrap up this game without doing that so...

Vote chck

I dont have a guilty but I almost want to flat out ask for a claim here.

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Llama, can you confirm that you did in fact receive an innocent tonight, which brings your total (including yourself) to 4?

I have got an innocent result on nights one, three, four and five.

I don't really get the chkflip hate, but I have been promising to read him for a long time. Looks like i have work to do.

Actually I dont get it much either, BUT there are quite a few advantages in this situation going for him. Worse case scenario I checked Plum, so I have two innocents alive, and one is the doctor, bringing it to three innocents out of the living players. Now, chck is quite connected to multiple living players, which makes him a good alignment to know, and a good lynch, infact I heavily considered investigating him last night before making a, what I feel smarter, choice.

Anyways, his alignment sheds light on quite a few of those neutral bodies, so he is a good lynch to me in this particular situation.

@chck - Claim

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unvote

We dont lynch yet. We lynch once he claims, maybe.

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Vote chck

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Living innocents = 3

gg... CES + Punkin team?

Oman, Thor and Cyber all are clear at this point

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Vote CES

Miffed I didnt demand this yesterday. Just a chck scum gave away last scum almost instantly so wanted that.

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Or we just wait to see if one of those three claim doctor and then lynch the other two. CES is already the lynch unless he is the doctor, that much is obvious.

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Yeah scum drew a tough setup on this one, me picking off AGar basically sealed it (although I though Crazy tracked/watched AGar).

Points to you guys for killing Plum the night I checked her though, it actually made me shift strategies from checking the competent null read player pool to the lynch bait pool.

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Vote Punkin

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Interesting game, just swung bad for scum when I checked AGar. I knew if I lived that night town would probably have just won the game. Since we would just be able to lock into a follow the cop esq mode.

Reasoning behind not checking Punkin was on two levels, first was the kill of Nacho/DH which I felt ment that scum were not really on top of stuff as much, but I can see DH-doc claiming VT in a town looking rage quit to not draw the kill anymore. Still, that kill bumped him behind some of my other slots.

I *should* have got CES lynched over chck that one day (no real feel bad about Ran lynch), but if chck was scum, game was 100% wrapped up the next night, and if CES was town, it likely would have outted my Thor clear.

Not sure much of what I can say about this game at this point. I had a gut read on AGar, and that investigation essentially ended the game.

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I think he means dont jump all over the place. Maybe a newbie game or two would be good, but I think you would be able to play in a normal game without much of an issue. This game though I think every other player had at least a years experience, half around three years so its quite different.

@Thor - Half the reason I checked you was because of your earlier reads. I thought you were playing good, so if you were town I hoped confirmed status would snap you back into the game some more.

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Fates style is just odd and at time exceedingly annoying to me to play with (town or scum) such to the extent that if I was in a very bad mood I would actually consider a N0 vig of him (although most other 'rage' players take precidence, Fate, Parama and to a lesser extent Socio and Grey are the only ones that play it well, rest need to be policy lynched/vigged)

The over the top posting just shuts down natural progression of the game, which I really need to get reads as town since when things dont make sense from a natural progression standpoint, you normally have scum. The all caps Fate bugs me beyond reason. I love playing with the calmer Fate.

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@Socio - Yep. Be happy you are one of only four people that post like that which I dont avoid playing with at all costs. Getting sick and tired of that trend and it being a "good" thing. LLD I will never play in a game with (seriously, she rivals ani for public enemy number one on the site) and all of the others I can think of dont have the ability to read people well enough to justify being the de facto town leader.

All that aside... my large theme just opened for signups (very simple-ish large theme [hint hint])

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I like how Ythill picked out I think every one (maybe missed one, I remember some odd ones) of my breadcrumbs, even the 'obvtown alliance' once that I didnt know I actually made, really was just trying to make a D1 town voting block. Glad someone got my "missplaced - mark" breadcrumb for why Oman was town. Started doing those, then I figured I needed a more hardline one of calling him town just incase people didnt realize those werent mistakes in typing.

(people should still join my large theme, its going to be interesting)