Open 295 -- Island Paradise Mafia -- Game Over

[Magua]

Yeah. You're not going to like it, yabbaguy.

UNVOTE: ToastyToast

Alright guys 'n' gals. We got three days to deadline, and the mafia team is ChannelDelibird + yabbaguy.

So: VOTE: ChannelDelibird

<== L-1

So ZeroFang was right on a lot of things. But he was drop dead wrong on ToastyToast. So wrong it hurts my head.

Town - These people are town. I am not voting them, because they are town. I'm not really interested in listening to your arguments about this; maybe D3. I am not placing a vote on any of these people today.
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Farside22
ToastyToast
Havingfitz
Jora - Really liked Jora D1. Really did. Kind of losing it near the end, though; impatient? D2 has been nowhere near as good. Obviously demotivated, there's none of that spark from D1. Still, with both yabbaguy and CDB, game would be over long before I would get around to voting Jora.

Null
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Sundy
DeathRowKitty - Play has been very lackluster compared to what I've seen in other DRK-town games. But not to the point of badness, and certainly not what I've seen from yabbaguy and CDB's slot.

Scum
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ChannelDelibird
yabbaguy

[Magua]

Magua: No offense and I'm sure you might understand when I ask this in light of the game that just ended recently but I don't trust you.
I also would like to know why you believe a cdj/Yabba connection.

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>_>

I hope you won't hold that game against me. =P

But it goes like this. Reading through and making my notes, I usually annotate a plus when I like someone's post and a minus when I don't. Two of cjdrum's posts stick out for me so much that they are annotated with five minuses each:

Post #226
Post #425

For those two posts, I was going to vote cjdrum no matter what by the time I got to the end of the reread. So then the question becomes, "Who's the partner?"

Well, I've already managed to knock a number of you out of the running because you're just so obviously town. So that left me with yabbaguy, Sundy, and DRK. Of those three, Sundy is the lowest probability of being cjdrum's partner -- he's engaged into fighting with cjdrum where yabba never has and DRK only started recently, he's actively called cjdrum out on doing stuff. So I'm not seeing cjdrum/Sundy.

DRK doesn't mention cjdrum much for most of the game, and whens he does it's very kid gloves. But then she busts out the case in #580. That's a lot of work to go into bussing a partner, which is why I sort of disbelieve CDB/DRK. I could see it more if there wasn't already a mafia death, but here with a likely two mislynches available, bussing would make no sense.

Which leaves CDB/yabbaguy. yabbaguy also treats cjdrum with a total hands-off; the closest yabba ever comes to questioning cjdrum is "Why do you care if other people want you to vote", which is answered in an objective fashion and totally lacks the "my god, man, do you realize how scummy you sound?" This then devolves into yabbaguy full on defending cjdrum from havingfitz, DRK, Toasty.

So, yeah.

[Magua]

What about yabba do you find scummy?
Also you remember the vanilla game and what I said about claiming. What's your thoughts on how CDB (now cdj) said about TT's claim?

AntB's claiming vanilla in Near-Vanilla was a towntell. I said as much in game, and even though I was scum, it's true. Scum know there's at least one doctor or roleblocker, and if there's a roleblocker and scum get lynched, it's game over for them.

I think Toasty is town. I thought Toasty was town before his VT claim, and his claim didn't change my townread on him.

CDB wants to have his cake and eat it too on TT's lynch -- he wants to be able to say, "Well, I kind of thought he was town" after he flips, but he still wants him lynched. I mean, he goes into a whole paragraph about how claiming VT like that is a towntell, only to throw it out in the next paragraph. That's not town-thought. That's fencesitting.

[Magua]

Also, making scumbuddy connections before a flip is not clever.

So....what do you think of yabbaguy then? Town? Scum?

[Magua]

Unofficial vote count

ChannelDelibird - 4 - ToastyToast, DeathRowKitty, farside22, Magua
ToastyToast - 2 - yabbaguy, }|{opa
DeathRowKitty - 2 - havingfitz, Sundy

Not Voting: ChannelDelibird

I'm just ready for a flip.

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I won't hammer unless it came down to that vs a no lynch...but I can wait a few days for people to post a bit more (as unlikely as that may be).

So you will hammer CDB to avoid a deadline no lynch?

@CDB:

Who is the scum?

[Magua]

You're making the mistake I've made for months on end, you're presuming that everyone's psychology falls in line with yours.

This might be true if that was the only reason I had a townread on Toasty. It's not.

Very curious to see your defense of CDB.

[Magua]

No yabba defense of CBD makes me sad panda.

Deadline's in just a bit over 12 hours from now; 1pm CST.

To everyone who's not voting CBD: I'm not interested in voting DeathRowKitty. I'm *really* not interested in voting Toasty. I *am* interested in voting yabbaguy, but I see no yabbaguy wagon. The possibility of getting a yabbaguy wagon is the only reason that I would vote for an extended deadline, but from what I've read, I don't think enough people will go for it.

[Magua]

Farside asking for an extension while being on the leading wagon, and farside grilling me about being on the same wagon she's on are both super town-tells for her, btw.

p-Edit: BURN!

[Magua]

Also, making scumbuddy connections before a flip is not clever.

So....what do you think of yabbaguy then? Town? Scum?

@CDB:

An answer to this would be nice. A claim would be nice, too.

Also, who you think is scum would be nice. You say you're voting Toasty because he's the only wagon available to you. I'd like you to ignore that and just flat out tell me who you think the scum is.

[Magua]

Yay

[Magua]

c) really am peeved that we were latched onto so quickly outright. What did I do wrong?

For me, it was simply process of elimination -- not that you did anything wrong, but that there were enough people who I was convinced were townier than you. My slot had saved Farside, so she was a clear to me, and I had very strong townreads on havingfitz and on ToastyToast.

[Magua]

Dead QT