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Confuzled sounds like a word scum would use.cjdrum wrote:I'm confoozled
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OK...catching up. Here are my random thoughts as I read through.
-DRK for accusing Sundy on NK comment (TT did too??)
-cj for assuming Vig killed andrew. NK joy tell. Playfully defensive at RVS 's DRK reprimand.
-DRK pushing Sundy votes for NK comment. (bad)
-DRK overexagerrating animorph's "too early" for serious votes comment. (bad)
-DRK accusing anomorph of defending Sundy (bad)
-DRK...why is Sundy scummy if not for analyzing the nk when he commented on them?
-}|{opa Do not agree that andrew is necessarily a goon but do agree he was most likely killed by an sk.
-cj appears to be playing obtuse and is overly peppy.
-Posts 73 DRK tells people to not speculate on setup and then in the next post (post 74) he speculates on setup .
-Agree with }|{opa's post 75.
-DRK (who earlier argues the likelihood of a Vig killing N0) states he wouldn't expect a one-shot vig to shoot night 1.
-TT is deadon in post 92. }|{opa's statement that DRK is a GF and subsequent vote on someone with 2 posts who, other than the fact they have only made two posts, has done nothing suspicious.
-}|{opa pushing DRK as a good cop lynch. Why keep mentioning a cop?
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Don't like giving town reads so I won't. I didn't have any suspicions towards }|{opa until his DRK GF post/Star vote. DRK seems to be overreacting IMO to a lot of people's comments and if it were not for the aforementioned }|{opa suspicion I would probably put my vote on him [DRK]. So I'llFOSDRK.
}|{opa however gets this: VOTE: }|{opa
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The game is barely four days old and I'm a lurker? I think not...and note the sig. Does the fact that my opinion/vote came in my 3rd post make it any less valid? Does that fact you and DRK have posted the most exempt you from suspicion/votes? And my suspicions towards you and DRK are a lot better than your vote on Star.}|{opa wrote:Oh, great. The lurcker-man arises and what does he do? Voting most active player and FoSing the 2nd activist. How predictable.
1)I didn't have anything I wanted to say aaaaand note sig. So?}|{opa wrote:@havingfitz
1)Why you not posting early? I've seen your posts outside the thread.
2)What are your reads on farside22?
2)In my catch up read this morning I do not recall anything suspicious catching my attention re: farside. So null.
My take was you were:}|{opa wrote:
No, I'm not. And it's ToastyToast mentioned the Cop! I FoSing him for that only reason.You wrote:}|{opa pushing DRK as a good cop lynch. Why keep mentioning a cop?}|{opa ISO 15 wrote:I think DeathRowKitty is a mafia Godfather, since he so obvious target for a Cop.
However, I see the 2nd was just you correcting your earlier comment. You might want to use EBWOP to make it clear next time. And I still see it as trying to direct actions of the hypothetical cop you believe is in the game. Would steering a potential cop investigation towards DRK benefit you?}|{opa ISO 17 wrote:I mean "since heISso obvious target for a Cop."Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Bad because I did not agree with them...not necessarily bad in a scummy way (individually) but all together things I would keep in mind.farside22 wrote:havingfits: Can you please explain why the following three points you made are "bad"?
Actually how do you get over exaggerating?-DRK pushing Sundy votes for NK comment. (bad)
-DRK overexagerrating animorph's "too early" for serious votes comment. (bad)
-DRK accusing anomorph of defending Sundy (bad)
1) I didn't find anything too suspicious with Sundy's opening post/nk assessment. As I did not see what DRK could have hoped for Sundy to have said, considering the NKs had comments to relate them to, I found his reason to voting Sundy a bit weak...and to suggest in two subsequent posts to others that a Sundy vote was better than a RV IMO exhibited overeagerness to form a Sundy wagon.
2&3) It appeared animorph had a similar assessment of DRK's thoughts on Sundy so therefore I disagreed with most of what DRK said in his exchange with Animorph. It seemed to me to be an overexaggeration, i.e. making a bigger deal than necessary, when DRK said animorph was defending Sundy and when he said animorph was content with random votes for 20 pages.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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}|{opa...you said DRK was an "obvious target for a cop". If you do not think that could be construed as trying to direct the investigation of a potential cop then the "Logic Fail" is with you. And while I dislike lurkers as much as the next person, it takes more than just lurking to get my vote. Your vote on Star makes about as much sense as a D1 RV.
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Preview-edit...}|{opa...watch your language. If you can't debate/discuss opinions without personal attacks you look like an illiterate ass. How was my vote predictable? Do I make a habit of placing bandwagon votes? While I didn't realize I had placed you at L-2 I hardly think that is any reason to come unglued. Maybe you have 4 votes because you are coming across as scummyhavingfitz wrote:
The game is barely four days old and I'm a lurker?}|{opa wrote:Oh, great. The lurcker-man arises and what does he do? Voting most active player and FoSing the 2nd activist. How predictable.I think not...and note the sig.Does the fact that my opinion/vote came in my 3rd post make it any less valid? Does that fact you and DRK have posted the most exempt you from suspicion/votes?And my suspicions towards you and DRK are a lot better than your vote on Star.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Do you always fall on your own sword when you get close to a lynch?Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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I don't recall any being in any games with }|{opa before so serious question, is he an idiot?
Not sure I've ever been accused of swooping in before but I voted }|{opa for honest suspicions and if he can't handle a few votes on himself, I'm fine with letting drama kings commit suicide. It's not the wincon for town (or scum) and not playing to town's wincon is another good reason for his wagon to exist.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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So voting and FoSing at the same time is a bad thing? I found them both to be somewhat suspicious. I might lean a bit towards the thought that if one of them were to flip scum, the other would be somewhat clear...but until one or the other does flip (or someone else provides more incriminating material) I'm good with my vote where it is.yabbaguy wrote:havingfitz is voting Jora yet FOSing DRK, which doesn't stack in my mind. Couple that with the vote opportunism near the end of the wagon and you've got a scummy combo.
@farside...if you think yabba is scum for his vote on me...do you think he was doing it to save a scumbuddy in }|{opa? If yabba is scum in your opinion how would that jive with the possibility of }|{opa being town? (ie...why bother defending him?)Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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It's DRK. And is DRK a she?Sundy wrote:@Havingfitz, I have a question about your #109. 7 of your points seem to be against DPK, and you're generally casting suspicion on her scum-hunting. You agree with Opa twice on this list, and then say he is role-fishing and vote for him accordingly. What did you think of DPK's play when she was accusing Opa? You ended up voting for the same candidate. And are you fine with a policy lynch on the first day, especially given how far into it we are?
I answered this in the same post (109) that you're quoting above:
The post is a list of the things that caught my attention as I caught up. The individual observations towards DRK did not outweight the one transgression I observed from }|{opa. If I think someone is scum...I'm going to vote them. I am not going to annoint someone as scum (the GF yet!) and then just FOS them and vote someone who has made all of two posts. As for voting the same candidate...I find }|{opa scummier ATT so the fact my current #2 is voting the same way means nothing (except possibly that they aren't both scum). And where are your policy lynch comments coming from? Did I say anything regarding a policy lynch?havingfitz wrote:I didn't have any suspicions towards }|{opa until his DRK GF post/Star vote. DRK seems to be overreacting IMO to a lot of people's comments and if it were not for the aforementioned }|{opa suspicion I would probably put my vote on him [DRK]. So I'llFOSDRK.
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I'm wrong all the time. Trouble is I don't realize it until whoever I suspect flips. Only time/votes will tell.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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So how is that supporting a policy lynch when my vote was already on him? If I had had no prior suspicions of }|{opa I would not have voted him for based on his self-vote alone...though it would have been, and is, a negative IMO.Sundy wrote:@Fitz: you said of Opa you were fine with "letting drama kings commit suicide" since a self-vote is anti-town regardless of alignment.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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@}|{opa, The only vote I would have hesitated placing so early in the game would have been a hammer and I knew no one was close to that.
I thought Good townie Rule #1 was: Always vote the person you think is mafia. You had a wealth of information to form your opinion on DRK and yet you vote a 2 post 'lurker' and proclaim he's a serial killer. I may not keep my vote on you all day but I still like it there. As for your description of the votes currently on you.
Or how's this...Good townie Rule #1a: If you are town don't ever vote yourself. Cause you're town and that's anti-town.
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farside...my suspicions of }|{opa and DRK are totally independant of each other. I can and do suspect them both. I just find the suspicion I hold of }|{opa to be more significant att than DRK. And how is anything I have done hypocritical? I'm voting who I think is scum....}|{opa isn't. I'm voting someone who has provided a lot of information to work with, }|{opa isn't. Where is the hypocrisy? And what makes my vote opportunistic? The fact I placed it? <headshake>Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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@Sundy...atm I do. That's why I voted him and why my vote is still there. Like I said...I would not have gome from no-suspicions to a voting him due to his self vote but coupled with the vote I already had on him...it only adds to my suspicions of him.
Also...again...it's DRK and you are not quoting him above...you are quoting }|{opa. And }|{opa's vote is not on himself any longer...I believe he is voting animorph atm.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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@farside...there is nothing hypocritical about my voting }|{opa and suspecting DRK. Feel free to disagree of course but IMO you are misrepresentng my vote as something it is not.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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You asked for more reason.....I gave them with my vote (post 109) and elaborated on them in post 145, here:farside22 #168 wrote:So you don't have a better reason for voting for Jora then the one I quoted? I did ask for more reason's which you neglected from your post.
This is why I voted }|{opa. In plain view for those who take the time to read. Whether my reasons are good or not is a matter of opinion. I say they are good. Translation...his vote on lurkerStar when he believes DRK is a mafia GF and directing a potential cop investigation.havingfitz #145 wrote:The post is a list of the things that caught my attention as I caught up. The individual observations towards DRK did not outweight the one transgression I observed from }|{opa. If I think someone is scum...I'm going to vote them. I am not going to annoint someone as scum (the GF yet!) and then just FOS them and vote someone who has made all of two posts. As for voting the same candidate...I find }|{opa scummier ATT so the fact my current #2 is voting the same way means nothing (except possibly that they aren't both scum).
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Yes...post 156 had reasons...as did #109 and #145. He...}|{opa...is the most suspicious player (ie what you call scum) atm in my mind for the reasons provided with my vote and in post 145 (above). That is why my vote was placed initially. It remains there for the same reasons AND because of the way he reacted following my vote (the self vote). I need to look back to see if he has revoked his suspisions towards DRK and Star but I find it amusing that }|{opa has now switched over to another ~lurker in animorph.farside22 #157 wrote:
I used your quote with reasoning sir. Your only reason listed and main reason was that he voted for a lurker over someone he suspects more. If there are more reason's then spell them out. Why is Jora scum in your view?havingfitz #156 wrote:farside...my suspicions of }|{opa and DRK are totally independant of each other. I can and do suspect them both. I just find the suspicion I hold of }|{opa to be more significant att than DRK. And how is anything I have done hypocritical? I'm voting who I think is scum....}|{opa isn't. I'm voting someone who has provided a lot of information to work with, }|{opa isn't. Where is the hypocrisy? And what makes my vote opportunistic? The fact I placed it? <headshake>
All my random thoughts (what you call points) are weighed equally. It's not a case where DRK did 5 things to make me go "Hmmmmmm" while }|{opa did 3...so I must vote DRK. The things DRK did were not in total more scummy than what I see from }|{opa.farside22 wrote:You had all these points on DRK but vote for jora. That is hypocritical. Saying well this person looks scummy, but I'm voting for X for weak reason is what Jora did and you did. Your vote is opportunistic because Jora has a bw on him.
As for the opportunistic vote...when is a bw vote opportunistic? Vote #2? #3? #4?
FYI...I vote who I suspect most and I don't really care how large their wagon is (unless as previously mentioned the vote would be the hammer). If "opportunistic" applies to any vote less than the #4 I placed then it would appear there were a few other "opportunistic" voters as well.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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1) Fair enough wrt TT. Though the Sundy vote for not making a comment on the NK...when there really was not comment worth making IMO..is still suspicious.DeathRowKitty wrote:HF wrote:-DRK for accusing Sundy on NK comment (TT did too??)1)Timing is everything.
HF wrote:-DRK pushing Sundy votes for NK comment. (bad)
-DRK overexagerrating animorph's "too early" for serious votes comment. (bad)
-DRK accusing anomorph of defending Sundy (bad)2)I thought it was pretty decent for early pressure
HF wrote:-DRK...why is Sundy scummy if not for analyzing the nk when he commented on them?3)In his very first post of the game, he posted something to the effect of "Whoa! Two people died!" with no other comment on it at the time. No reference to scum dying. No reference to vig dying. Basically, it seems like he just mentioned it to fit in, when there was plenty I would expect someone commenting on NKs to possibly want to say.
HF wrote:-DRK (who earlier argues the likelihood of a Vig killing N0) states he wouldn't expect a one-shot vig to shoot night 1.4)Is this the same situation?
HF wrote:-Posts 73 DRK tells people to not speculate on setup and then in the next post (post 74) he speculates on setup .5)Post 74 was me telling people to hold off until we had information to work with to start speculating on what roles were in the game, not me speculating on the setup.
HF wrote:Bad because I did not agree with them...not necessarily bad in a scummy way (individually) but all together things I would keep in mind.
1) I didn't find anything too suspicious with Sundy's opening post/nk assessment. As I did not see what DRK could have hoped for Sundy to have said, considering the NKs had comments to relate them to, I found his reason to voting Sundy a bit weak...and to suggest in two subsequent posts to others that a Sundy vote was better than a RV IMO exhibited overeagerness to form a Sundy wagon.
2&3) It appeared animorph had a similar assessment of DRK's thoughts on Sundy so therefore I disagreed with most of what DRK said in his exchange with Animorph. It seemed to me to be an overexaggeration, i.e. making a bigger deal than necessary, when DRK said animorph was defending Sundy and when he said animorph was content with random votes for 20 pages.6)If you don't think the actions themselves are scummy, is it the pattern of actions you think is scummy? And, yes, I over-exaggerated on ani. I don't like people making excuses for my targets....
2) I did not rule that out (hence only an FoS atm)
3) What "plenty" would you expect someone to say in their first post following a pair of N0 NKs? There were no conversations or wagons to link to them. Would a comment like "The scum nk was blind luck and the vig nk was tough luck" have got us anywhere?
4) Close enough to make it seem like a minor contradiction. 1-shot or not...I doubt a Vig would have acted N0.
5)DeathRowKitty #73 wrote:Stop speculating about the setup -__-
Looks like speculating to me.DeathRowKitty #74 wrote:Well, if there are 2 kills tonight, it becomes likely there's an sk. Can still technically not be one.
6) Glad you admit to overexaggerating on ani. I considered your actions as a whole when I FoS'd you. If "as a whole" = "pattern of actions"...then yes, it's your pattern of actions I find suspicious.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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@ farside...
In response to your 1st quote of me - I hate it when people neither use links OR provide post numbers. Apologies that it takes you a few seconds to get to a post #. If I was hiding something I wouldn't have provided post numbers in the first place.
In response to your 2nd quote of me (my post 156) - First off...you are not posting them in the order that I mention them. I said I gave my reasons"with my vote (post 109) and elaborated on them in post 145". Back to #156...you say I gave no reasons....I consider this"I just find the suspicion I hold of }|{opa to be more significant att than DRK."a reason. Not much of a reason but I provided more detail in the earlier posts already mentioned. I also provided a translation for your benefit afterwards, to no avail apparently,. <-- I only need one reason to suspect/vote someone but note...two reasons are highlighted in translation."Translation...his vote on lurkerStar when he believes DRK is a mafia GF and directing a potential cop investigation."
In response to your 3rd quote (my post 109) and your 4th impaired-quote of me (my post 145) - You say no reason was given. Well...you cut off all the earlier comments I provided within post 109 (scummy of you) but I did sayI didn't have any suspicions towards }|{opa. Bold would be a reason. And in the messed up quote I said,until his DRK GF post/Star vote.The individual observations towards DRK did not outweight the one transgression I observed from }|{opa. If I think someone is scum...I'm going to vote them.This entire section explains why my vote is on }|{opa while the bold part explains (FMPOV) more specifically.I am not going to annoint someone as scum (the GF yet!) and then just FOS them and vote someone who has made all of two posts.As for voting the same candidate...I find }|{opa scummier ATT so the fact my current #2 is voting the same way means nothing (except possibly that they aren't both scum).
In response to your 5th quote of me (my post 109 again) - You say I gave one reason. I gave the primary reason along with my other thoughts on }|{opa. I only need one reason IMO to vote someone. Especially early in the game. I also question his mention of a cop (in 109) and have discussed this with }|{opa and elaborated on it in my Translation above.
tl:dr;@farside...you have asked for the reason/s why I voted }|{opa. I have provided my reasons for my vote and IMO I have provided more reason for my }|{opa vote (combined with subsequent post-vote suspicions) then most of the other people with votes out. I'm not convinced }|{opa is scum by any means and I'm on the fence as some of his posts give me a town feel. However, I do not like not having my vote in play and until someone passes him I will keep it where it is. That said...your continued disdain of my vote (for whatever reason) and painting my vote as hypocritcal and opportunistic (which you have not responded to my question of) is bumping you up into contention on my suspect list. I.e.FoS farside.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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I'm highlighting the fact that my reason/s were provided more than once and in the quotes you claim no reason or one reason. The fact they are all the same is not important...the fact they were provided is. Like I said, you asked for my reason/s for voting }|{opa, I have provided my reason/s for voting }|{opa, and I have added to those reasons (post-vote). There is nothing hypocritical about my vote (one of your primary reasons for voting me) and I disagree that there was anything opportunistic in my vote. Why is your vote on me not opportunistic? Why was TT's vote on }|{opa not opportunistic?Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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I'll type this slow for you farside.....
First off...I am reading what people wrote. Don't insinuate I'm not.
When you voted me this was the reason why,"Saying a person has suspicion over one person then voting another and doing the same is hypocritical, which I learned isn't scummy, but opportunistic vote hopping on a BW. That is scummy.AND"If someone had a scummier read on one person over another they would vote that person, but when the reason to vote one person over another that is already 4 votes in is not only opportunist but scummy at that point."
At the time I placed my vote on }|{opa I only had a few suspicions towards him but they were more significant IMO than the things I took note of from DRK. I do not see why this concept is so difficult for you to grasp. It's like DRK has committed 5 or 6 misdemeanors and then }|{opa comes along and commits a felony.
In that analogy }|{opa is going to get the bulk of my attention. That is what is happening with my vote. He only had two points against him when I voted and they outweighed the numerous observaations I had on DRK. I never said I suspected DRK more or said I thought he was scum (or GF). Your reasoning is crap and is a misrepresentation of my vote on }|{opa. 1-2 suspicions is perfectly fine to place a vote...especially early in the game.
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I didn't say either of those statements. In fact I would say they do both things most of the time. My vote isn't opportunistic and my reason for voting }|{opa isn't weak. So what is your point? In fact, since you brought these two points up...I would say they both apply much better to your vote and subsequent, and IMO feigned, lack of comprehension.farside22 wrote:Are you going to sit here and say that scum don't vote for opportunistic reasons? Are you going to sit there and state that scum don't use weak reason's to case their votes?
Other various reasons? You mean "'not reading" [misrep] and "fluff" [opinion...misrep]. Mmmmmmkay. My reason for voting }|{opa was not garbage and how many ways can I communicate 1+ reasons for placing a vote? I can't give more reasons when there are not more reasons for placing my vote. There wer a few more reasons after I placed my vote but that not what you asked. Capiche? No?farside22 wrote:I also listed other various reason I find you scum in my last post. And yes when I ask someone twice forotherreason's they find a person scummy and I get nothing but the same garbage over and over I will accuse that player of not reading and skimming the game.
For continuing to push a non existent case and misrepping my actions...which are there for all to see.
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farside...call it OMGUS if you like. That's just par for your reasoning in this game. It's not like my voting you was an immediate reaction to you voting me. It was only after your continued refusal to comprehend (either intentionlly which I suspect or not intentionally which would be sad) what I have said to you. That said, now I can focus on finding your partners.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Funny Borat. Can you put names with the quotes. I see my quote but do not know who the first is from. NVM...I did a search and see it is from yabbaguy. But player names would still be appreciated.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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You misrepped it by calling my vote hypocritical and opportunistic. Those are a few buzz words from you that don't apply. You pushing an invalid case is something I see scum normally do.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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And I told you why it wasn't. I feel like I'm talking to a wall. Since your vote is already on me it's somewhat moot to go on (but I will in a bit), but for any masochists in the group who want to go over our exchange...they can judge for themselves if your or my alignment is in question.
(A bit later)...you say"saying yourBecause? No....compared to. My points against DRK were minor. But for }|{opa's actions/posts I would have voted for DRK. But I felt that }|{opa was more suspect <-------SEE!...hence the difference between my DRK vote and }|{opa's ST vote (IMO) and therefore not hypocritical. I repeated my self because there was nothing more to say about my vote on }|{opa but you continue to ask for more. A simple ISO on me would have saved a few pages of reiteration. But at least you are showing your misrep skills.points on DRK are minor becauseJora thought DRK was the GF and may have been trying to signal the cop and didn't vote DRK. Is this correct?"
...you say"People will do what they please and read players and make choices based on their reads not by what is said in thread."What? You're saying people don't develop reads on others based on what is said? Ridiculous. To me at least. All we have to go on is what is said. <headshake>
...you say"as I said before you had multiple points against DRK but didn't vote for him. Jora is making a statement about DRK's alignment with no real reason. What is the point of voting for someone based on a theory? "You aren't comprehending. I've explained this multiple times. The multiple misdemeanors vs the felony analogy? If you don't get it you don't get it. Wasn't voting on theory...was voting on }|{opa's words. Isn't your vote on me on the theory you can get a mislynch on me?
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Calling your description of my }|{opa vote a misrep is not a life line...its a fact. In my 30ish town aligned games I might have been an investigative role 2 or 3 times though I only remember one of them (a seer). I don't recall any others but I can't imagine not having been one at least 1-2 more times.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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I would check people based on my own reads.farside22 wrote:
Okay now have you ever in your life listen to a player who said OMG that player is scum and should be investigated? Or did you check players based on your own reads?havingfitz wrote:Calling your description of my }|{opa vote a misrep is not a life line...its a fact. In my 30ish town aligned games I might have been an investigative role 2 or 3 times though I only remember one of them (a seer). I don't recall any others but I can't imagine not having been one at least 1-2 more times.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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You're joking right farside? I stated why }|{opa's post was suspicious.READ!The leading a cop point is minor and the fact you beive it was made up by scum is...wait for it...your theory. Hypocrite.
And if }|{opa's vote post didn't read as a case...then are you saying he didn't present a case with his vote? I find that suspicious. But I think he did....and the case he did provide was....wait for it....suspicious. And why does whether someon is using theory or not matter? Whether }|{opa's GF suspicion of DRK was based on gut...perceived scum tells...or theory....he still didn't vote him. Instead he chose to vote someone who had made all of 2 posts.
And speaking of his votee...did Startransmission bail? WTF!!!? Four posts in total? (ie prod prod prod)
And you are still realizing something that is not the case. I hope you are lynched soon because this game can not progress alone on the ridiculous exchange between us perpetuated by you. Just keep you vote on my and focus on finding another mislynch to target or perhaps bus a partner or something. This exchange is getting us nowhere.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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1. As do I. You keep making blatant misrepresentations of my actions. Then I explain why they are blatent misrepresentations...and you continue to make blatant misrepresentations of my actions. Then I explain why they are blatent misrepresentations...and you continue to make blatant misrepresentations of my actions. Then I explain why they are blatent misrepresentations...and you continue to make blatant misrepresentations of my actions.farside22 wrote:
1. No, I explain things over and over even in my last post.1. You turned away from your argument, like it didn't matter.
2. In doing this, you make us look at his post in a worse light than it really is in.
3. He's not ranting, he's been picked at and picked at and picked at until he couldn't take it any more - not ranting scum, just sick and tired [alignment*].
2. I'm using his quotes and asking questions. So you agree with his view on Jora and his vote and reasoning?
3. No he shut down because he has no out that = scum.
I even rationalized why his vote and reasoning for voting Jora is opportunistic and he flipped out but to the same song and dance. That is not rational or town reaction. That is scum that got put on the grill and burned.
2. Gold star for you. The fact you are quoting me (without comprehending what I've said or coupled with your misrepresentations) means nothing.
3. I haven't shut down. I'm just tired of you not getting it. We're both voting each other (you for your crap reasons and me for your crap reasoning) so great.
And how did I flip out? Was it theREAD!comment? That wasn't flipping out. That was urging you to actually read what I am writing since continued repitition of the same points seems to be evading you. Scum getting burnt on the grill....whatever.
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Ummm...I will not stop bolding words or comments when I want toyabbaguy wrote:@farside & havingfitz: bullet point case on each other, please, you've both lost me. Also havingfitz, your --->maddening<---- use ofEMPHASISistotally unnecessary.emphasizethem...and I do not think I have overdone the use of bold font in this game.
Bullet points....sure, 1)
And...havingfitz ISO 19 wrote:tl:dr;@farside...you have asked for the reason/s why I voted }|{opa. I have provided my reasons for my vote and IMO I have provided more reason for my }|{opa vote (combined with subsequent post-vote suspicions) then most of the other people with votes out. I'm not convinced }|{opa is scum by any means and I'm on the fence as some of his posts give me a town feel. However, I do not like not having my vote in play and until someone passes him I will keep it where it is. That said...your continued disdain of my vote (for whatever reason) and painting my vote as hypocritcal and opportunistic (which you have not responded to my question of) is bumping you up into contention on my suspect list. I.e.FoS farside.
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On purpose....looking back on my games with her I find other instances of her carrying on silly arguments like this...but not to this extent. I'm giving her intellect the benefit of the doubt when I say I think she is doing it on purpose because I have made my points very clear. I therefore have to assume she is either town trying to fock with me to get some sort of reaction or she is scum legitimately trying to push a mislynch and/or distract the rest of the players/lurkers from contributing to any worthwhile scumhunting. Either way fmpov I'd like to see her go atm. As for there being scum amongst the lurkers...I think that's pretty much a given. is how many?yabbaguy wrote:Is she doing this on purpose, or do you think she's misguided? There's a very gigundo difference between the two, and I don't buy this.
Call it pot-kettle-black all you want, but I'm still of the belief that scum are in the mega-lurkers. 'Cause there is no pot-kettle-black, that's the tu quoque fallacy. Trouble is, I don't know which lurker 'cause they haven't done anything actively scummy. ._.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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...at the time of thefarside22 wrote:Fitz: What question did I miss?tl:drquote above....you hadn't responded to my question about opportunistic votes. You eventually got around to touching on it.
You did not mention "weak" when you placed your vote on me but that is hardly an indictment of anyone that places an early D1 vote and only has 2 reasons for doing so. And one of the reasons for my vote I would still maintain was not "weak"...at least not for a 1st vote (by me) out of RVS.farside22 wrote:At the time of Fitz's vote he placed the vote on Jora: Reasons here
I called the vote weak, opportunist and hypocritical.
I didn't realize you had come to your senses regarding your hypocrisy accusation. Bravo to you. My bad.farside22 wrote:After some more talks I retract the hypocritical talk realized it was inacurate.
Since the basis of your opportunistic vote accusation was the fact that my vote was hypocritical...shouldn't that undermine your continued stance that the vote was opportunistic?
1- I did not think my thoughts re: DRK outweighed my suspicions of }|{opa. I have explained this. Apparently this is a difference in opinion. Why do you think the points I brought up regarding DRK are stronger than the ones I brought up (actually I think TT brought it up) re: }|{opa?farside22 wrote:1) The vote is weak because the reason's fitz had for DRK were stronger then Jora's vote.
2) Opportunistic because of the BW forming.
3) I pointed out the reason's why I found fitz vote weak (the leading the cop) and why Jora's vote on DRK wasn't scummy.
4) The why vote for a theory over someone floating by.
5) Fitz reaction and still calling my case scummy is in my view scum caught with no way out.
2- Opinion. I disagree. Also...you were basing opportunitic on hypocritical. One point is gone now...why not the other?
3- I would agree that the suspicion for potentially leading an investigation is minor....it was not the reason I placed my vote...it only contributed to it. What does }|{opa's vote on DRK have to do with any of this?
4- I do not understand what you are talking about here. Voting for theory instead offor someone floating by?
5- Do you know how I usually react to false and inaccurate accusations? Hmm? And you admit the hypocritical part was wrong...and it formed both the basis for your vote on me and for the continued reaction I gave.
I haven't ignored anything. I see your views and do not agree with them because i know they are wrong. Are you saying you would feel better about me if I agreed with your views???? The views that support your "theory" that I am scummy? That makes a lot of sense (not).farside22 wrote:I thought for a moment my read on fitz was wrong as he was communicating back and arguing his points but when someone ignores the views of another player and still calling them scum and ranting I feel it's caught scum who has no way out.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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It was non existent and a misrep. You admit yourself that my vote on }|{opa was not hypocritical.farside22 wrote:I've shown why I believe everything I stated. You called my case non existent and misrep, but I explained my reasoning and your still calling me scum, which doesn't make sense to me.
Yet when you initially placed you vote on me...the basis for my }|{opa vote being opportunistic was that it was hypocritical. See below:farside22 wrote:I realize looking at this again it was not hypocritical.
Now you acknowledge that my vote wasn't hypocritical (after much frustrating reiteration of my disagreement on that point) and yet you maintain your vote on me...despite the foundation of your opportunistic claim being removed. So now you are voting me for an opportunistic vote and my }|{opa vote reasoning being weak. Amazing I haven't been lynched yet with rationale like that against me.farside22 wrote:Saying a person has suspicion over one person then voting another and doing the same is hypocritical, which I learned isn't scummy, but opportunistic vote hopping on a BW.
That is scummy.
And the activitiy level is agonizingly slow. It appears the options at the moment are for 2 or 3 active posters to continue to eat each other alive or to throw darts at the lurkers and hope scum is hit. Problem with that though is scum isn't going to throw a dart at a scum buddy so that would probably just result in a mislynch. I predict a looooooong D1.
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Say what? Why the fuck are you still dragging this out? You've admitted you were in error thinking my }|{opa vote was hypocritical.farside22 wrote:
Seriously????!!! How the fuck do you still say this?It was non existent and a misrep. You admit yourself that my vote on }|{opa was not hypocritical.
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farside....your vote is hypocritical and therefore opportunistic.
havingfitz...my vote is not hypocritical nor is it opportunistic...here is why.
farside...yes it is hypocritical and therefore opportunistic....oh....and weak too.
havingfitz...no it's not...I've said why...here it is again...Oh, and weak is subjective.
farside...Yes it is.
havingfitz...no it isn't
farside...Wait...maybe your vote wasn't hypocritical...I was wrong.
havingfitz...Yes you were wrong. And since your opportunistic point was based on your hypocrisy point...neither remain.
farside...huh? d'what?
Feel free to keep your vote where it is for the reasons you no longer support. But please drop the debate. Nothing was wrong with my }|{opa vote or suspicions....unlike your continued push on me for reasons you yourself no longer believe in.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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This game is draaaaaaaaaagging. It's hard to get worked up towards anyone when most players aren't saying anything. Let's see who is contributing IMO:
- }|{opa...44 posts...nothing worthwhile since he voted last Thursday.
- DRK...26 posts. Has had some stretches of inactivity but when he does post it is usually something worth reading. i.e. he's making an effort when he does post.
- yabbaguy...14 posts. A few decent content posts but a lot of posts filled with questions or fluff as well. Semi-lurker.
- Toast...32 posts. The bulk of his posts contain one or two lines without content. Seems to be posting a bit better recently.
- cjdrum...20 posts. First half of posting of little value...very short fluff posts. Seems to be picking things up as game goes along.
- Sundy...16 posts + a v/LA. Good posts. Actively hunting IMO.
- Star...6 posts. Two posts that resemble any attempt at effort and admits to possibly not contributing much today....but promises more later.
- animorph/bv...9 total posts. animorph had 7 one liners that didn't say a lot and bv has 2 posts in 6 days and has besically just expressed remorse/doubt at joining the game. Totally worthless slot so far.
- farside...38 posts, the bulk of which are spent tunnelling up the wrong tree.
- HF(me)...38 posts. The bulk of which spent dealing with farside.
With the activity level I have my doubts about getting a good enough read on anyone to avoid a mislynch but I don't think it's out of the question. I still have all my suspicions of farside which unlike her...I stand by....but if I had to move it I would want to move it to ani/bv or Star or perhaps yabbaguy. Mostly based on what they have not done (make an effort at participating) rather than what they have done.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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@yabba...what do you mean "which is it"? My vote on farside has nothing to do with the fact I would be willing to move my vote if necessary to one of the less frequent posters. And my issue with then isn't their post count...it's the fact they aren't saying anything when they DO post.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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farside..."if this is your town game?" You do realize you have only ever been in games with me when I was town don't you? FMPOV this game is no different. So yes...this is my town game. I go after people I suspect. When I am town I suspect people who come after me (because scum like to get town lynched). And while I am less suspicious of people coming after me if I have done something that could reasonably be viewed as scummy...I do not think that applies in this case so I maintain suspicions towards you.
The fact you are jumping up and down and shouting your frustration at my not seeing your case is ridiculous. We've spent much of the last week going back and forth on my }|{opa vote and I have addressed all of your accusations. You give TT credit for standing up for himself to cj but when I do it to you I'm off my rocker.
Now since you aren't able to get support for my wagon...you move over to yabba with a parting ad-hom that I suck as town. This despite the fact that you have concluded you are losing it and have backed off your suspicions towards me (ie you were wrong????). IMO is seems you are trying to keep your options open by voting yabba while slandering me by proclaiming me at worst-scum...at best-off my fucking rocker inept town.
Yabba...I have seen tunneling used as a negative towards others numerous times but I do not ever recall seeing it described as something inherently done by town. And I have never seen "deliberately contriving" mentioned before. If "deliberately contriving" is what you call tunneling by scum than that is what I suspect farside of.
Since my exchange with farside has dominated the last week or so...I'm not sure what to make of the fact that no one (ie scum) has taken the opportunity to join in on one of our wagons. I am inclined to think that since we, IMO, most likely had three mafia to start the game (and therefore are down to 2 now)...that both scum would not want to be the only ones pushing my wagon and if farside was in fact scum...her buddy would obviously not want to go near her wagon. If we were both town...I think at leasst one of the remaining scum in the game would have tested the waters by joining one of our wagons. This is compounded by the fact that no one else in the game seems to care. The farside-havingfitz debate is apparently a victim of town apathy and scum caution.
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DRK seems to have no problem posting in other games. If I thought DRK was scum I would vote for DRK but I'm not convinced. DRK!!!! Please replace out! arrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh......Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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I take this to be frustration at being townie. Not speaking from experience (since I never replace out regardless), if I was going to replace out of a game...most likely it would be from a town game since I seldom (ie but once) get to be scum. So IMO ani/bv probably falls below other lurkers such as Star.farside22 wrote:moprh/bv replacing out while saying next to nothing and posting in other games is more suspicious then star who's play is typically (IE: null)
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I don't care for DRK's continued cameo appearances where she lets us know that she's not intested in the game...yet she continues to pop in and puts a vote down on yabba based on gut conveniently right after yabba expresses suspicions towards DRK. And while it gives (or gave) me a headache dealing with farside...for you [DRK] to advocate we not post anymore is in effect trying to restrain two of the most active posters. My top suspect isn't getting any attention so I'll try elsewhere.
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What if one of us is not town? Do you know my alignment? I don't know yours.farside22 wrote:Nvm about replacing DRK just missed DRK's post.
LOL sorry fitz I disagree that comment from DRK about us is town all the way. It's true too. I know I'm town and if you are town us fighting helps the scum.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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@farside....that's fine. I still do not support squashing of any conversation. Even if you are resigned to thinking I'm town and if I were to think you were town...it still would not do the game any good to put te brakes on our exchanges. If for any other reason than to help town in the game to establish their assessment on each of us and perhaps generate some other discussion in this game (though that has not been the case so far). Do you agree with DRK that we should not talk to each other?Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Are you saying you support DRKs comment or that you think her comment was pro-town? I feel DRK was saying this:farside22 wrote:
I took it as he saw it as us doing more arguing. I honestly felt the same because your stubbornness is beyond understanding for me. Town on town arguments help the scum. I'm still talking to you so I don't agree with all communications coming to a halt.havingfitz wrote:@farside....that's fine. I still do not support squashing of any conversation. Even if you are resigned to thinking I'm town and if I were to think you were town...it still would not do the game any good to put te brakes on our exchanges. If for any other reason than to help town in the game to establish their assessment on each of us and perhaps generate some other discussion in this game (though that has not been the case so far). Do you agree with DRK that we should not talk to each other?
I take it you feel DRK was saying something completely different?
If you want to read deeper into this feel free to. To me it looks like she wanted discussion between two of the more/most active players to stop. This would not only reduce a significant portion of any of the discussions taking place...it would also prevent others from assessing us (ie scumhunting) and potentially joining in on or commenting on our discussion and therefore providing info for town to assess. Is my opinion not clear to you and if it is...is there anything pro-town from DRK about the way I interpret his comment? Does he know you and I are both town? Does anyone else? If not...then how can anyone know our chat is town on town?DeathRowKitty wrote:I would like to suggest to that farside and HF are not allowed to respond to each others' posts anymore.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Pardon the delayed reply TT. At the moment I prefer DRK over the other lurkers because of the continued excuse posts (aka lack of interest), chiming in just enough to avoid prods/replacement....voting based on "useless gut" reads when there should be better reasons than gut at this point IMO. ani/bv just haven't done squat so I do not think they warrant a vote. Star was an option....and yabba ass well. DRK just rose to the top for me. And funny enough I notice a little surge in her posting soooooToastyToast wrote:@Havingfitz: What about DRK's popping in and out of the game causes you to vote in comparison to the other lurkers who are doing the same thing? Couldn't come up with a better way to phrase that question...Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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It's a quote. You called it a "useless gut" vote...not me. And if I was voting someone for lurking you would be way down on the list. Active lurking perhaps but not lurking.DeathRowKitty wrote:Why do you think my gut is useless though?I mean, I could plausibly make the same argument of you: you're voting for lurkers when there should be better reasons than lurking at this point IMO. I've pointed to posts you can look at, agree with, refute. You're voting me for not being interested in the game.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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DRK...what is your point? I'm not debating active lurking vs lurking with you. You called your vote on yabba "useless gut" (any comment on that?)...and you said there were better reasons than lurking to vote people for. First off DRK...I never said I was voting you for lurking. Check it. You brought up the topic of lurking. I said you weren't lurking....I saidDeathRowKitty wrote:Between March 31 and April 7, I didn't make a single post that could even remotely be misconstrued as being useful. How is that active lurking and not just lurking?perhapsyou were active lurking butnotlurking. It doesn't matter though because I did not vote you for lurking OR for active lurking. Debate the differences with someone else. Secondly, you say there are better reasons than lurking at this point to vote someone (I agree)....I would also argue (and I did) that there are better reasons than "useless gut" to vote someone at this point in the game.
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Decent when he does post but not posting as much as I would like. Not a real strong town or scum feeling towards him. Seems to be asking a lot of questions but not sure what he is doing with the answers. Not sure who his main suspicions are.farside22 wrote:@Fitz and Jora: What is you view of Sundy's play?Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Usually when a player role gets to it's 3rd replacement I feel that slot is town regardless of how bad a player they are. I figure people who play mafia don't get many opportunities to be scum so when they do get the chance...they don't like to waste it. ani and bv have both been posting regularly since this game began so I take their absence to be lack of interest in this game/their position. So town read on ZF for now. That said, and not being one to squash discussion, I'll entertain your accusations.
One thing I noticed in your post on me is it has a fewmisrepresentations(underlined) in it andoverexaggerates(in bold) a bit.
You're one of the few I'm sure. My condolences.ZeroFang wrote:I'm now reading over HF's banter with Farside.
So it "ZeroFang wrote:This votescreamsOMGUS. Maybe not OMGUS specifically,screams OMGUS" but "maybe not OMGUS specifically?" How can those two situations co-exist? It screams it but it's not specifically it. The "screams" OMGUS would appear to be an overexaggeration if you yourself feel it may not specifically be OMGUS.
That said...I don't care if my votes are ever viewed as OMGUS. If I find suspicions with someone I will vote them regardless of where their vote or suspicions are directed. So whether anyone considers my earlier farside vote OMGUS not doesn't matter IMO...what does matter IMO is you being so forceful in proclaiming it OMGUS and immediately stepping back.
It "seems?" Way to take a stance (btw...why no vote atm?). Nowhere do I say I'm voting farside for disagreeing with me. I am voting farside for the same reasons she was voting me (opportunistic + accusations of poor reasoning) and FMPOV, misrepresentations and pushing the aforementioned non-existent case. Do those reasons equate to "simply for disagreeing?"ZeroFang wrote:it seems thathe votes farside simply for disagreeing with him, rather than doing anything scummy (which IMO is along the same lines as an OMGUS vote).
Which reasons of mine do you feel are "generally weak?" Do you agree with farsides suspicions towards me? If so...can you remind me which of her reasons you agree with? Also...I do not appreciate you cutting my quote in half in effect creating a misrep. I said "don't ask me for more reasonsZeroFang wrote:In addition to that, he has generally weak reasoning for his votes, andfinishes with a "don't ask me for more reasons",becuase the ones mentioned above are all I have atm.If you have two or three reasons for voting for someone and someone else keeps asking you for reasons above and beyond those two or three reasons....you can not give them more reasons if you do not have more reasons to give!
Over exaggeration seems to be your forte. Where did I refuse any discussion? Let me give a simple example of what is taking place here so that it might be clear to you.ZeroFang wrote:casting his vote in steel,refusing any further discussion.
farside: HF...how many thumbs do you have?
HF: Two.
farside: HF...how many thumbs do you have?
HF: Two.
farside: HF...do you have more thumbs?
HF: No.
farside: HF...do you have more thumbs?
HF: No! Stop asking me if I have more thumbs.
ZF: HAVINGFITZ IS REFUSING ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION! ANTI-TOWN! DO!...NOT!...TOLERATE!
<stands at attention> SIR, YES SIR! So what are your thoughts on DRK actually doing what you falsely accuse me of (i.e. wanting to restrict discussion)?ZeroFang wrote:This is extremely anti-town behavior and should not be tolerated.
Also, did you plan on going anywhere with your "possible game changing question" and why haven't you voted anyone?Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Please elaborate. Which reasons for suspecting me do you consider plausible? Do you support the reasons you find plausible?Sundy wrote:on Fitz, for reasons that seemed more plausibleTown 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Agreed - "no lynching on day one is stupid." Hopping on a wagon for the sake of hopping on a wagon...just to avoid a no lynch is even more stupid. Odds favor the day one lynch being a mislynch and those odds get even higher when 'town' jumps on wagons without any good reason. Star didn't exactly leave covered with a town aura and Jak has not helped redeem that player slot IMO.
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ZF...nice ad hom. You can kiss my confused end.
Why do I take issue with your post:
If you have come to the belief that farside and I were town vs town why would you devote time to the post above? To leave open the possibility of coming back to me later? You’ve dedicated more time and effort on someone you believe is town (and yet is you #2 suspect iirc) than you have on the person you are voting.
Yeah…. I only gave two reasons. What is your point? My “aforementioned reasons” was referring to the two reasons I provided. You’re just practicing your typing skills…aren’t you? And if you have several points….please take that time to list them. Considering I only gave two reasons I can’t wait to see which “several points” you are able to list.ZeroFang wrote:I said generally weak specifically because I'd have to list several points I feel are weak, and that takes time. But I'll give you a couple examples for your benefit.
Your 109 (ISO #2). You reference "aformentioned reasons", of which there are two.}|{opa's statement that DRK is a GF and subsequent vote on someone with 2 posts who, other than the fact they have only made two posts, has done nothing suspicious.
-}|{opa pushing DRK as a good cop lynch. Why keep mentioning a cop?
At best…it was a weak reason for }|{opa to disregard DRK for Star…at worst, it was bypassing someone considered scummy for a lurker….deemed to be a potential sk after only making two post.ZeroFang wrote:1) I searched for what you were referencing, and I found Opa's post about how three people had made only two posts, and one of them (startransmission) was not contributing harder than the others. This was a valid, albiet (IMO) weak reason for Jora to vote.
Why is my case weak? Why is my case weak? Why is my case weak? Why is my case weak? Please elaborate. Without stating why it was weak the accusation (of weakness) is meaningless. And does a weak case not have merit? Especially early on Day one when there isn’t a lot to work with? Can you provide some examples of strong cases on anyone and if they exist…why isn’t that person gone yet?ZeroFang wrote:2) Referencing that same post by Jora, you say he's pushing for a DRK lynch, except he voted star at the end.
So your "case" on him was very weak.
Yeah. So? And once again….why weak? Is weak not valid? Examples of strong reasons (within time proximity of when I was voting }|{opa)?ZeroFang wrote:Your 145 (ISO #10). You reference your two weak reasons in post 109.
Were you and farside separated at birth? What does this quote do? I provided my reasons for voting }|{opa when I voted him. Referencing back to that post is bad how?ZeroFang wrote:In the second section of this post you claim to have explained your reason for voting Opa. However, you simply refer back to the posts farside called you out on in the first place, that is, the one listing a couple weak reasons (and nothing else) and the one referencing those weak reasons. You beg us to look back at your posts when there's nothing to look back on. There's no foundation for your case.
Which suspicions did you agree with? The hypocrisy? The opportunism? The relative strength of my suspicions? Which ones? And for the ones you do agree with…what are the different reasons?ZeroFang wrote:To answer your second question, yes I did agree with her suspicions, but for different reasons. Reading it over again and again, I've changed my mind. I believe that exchange with farside was town v town (with confusion on your end).
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Sundy...you have asked more than a few people for their opinion of me. If I'm not mistaken you have mentioned me more than anyone else in your ISO. What's up. Are you still FoSing me? What have your numerous queries to others regarding me told you?Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Sundy...I'm not going to debate my suspicions of farside or my vote on }|{opa with you as I'm pretty sure you can read and I don't feel like repeating myself. That coupled with I just picked on that scab again this morning with ZF.
As for Jak vs Fang...the only reason I'm passing on ZF atm is because of my habit of giving slots that have been replaced 2 or more times a little leeway. Today at least....maybe not tomorrow depending on whether he or I are still around.
Jak replaced into a role that had a lot of suspicion towards it and has done nothing to divert that attention. He has posted just enough to remain in the game but has brought nothing...and despite being so close to being the day's lynch...he has done nothing to save himself. Even when he was (is he still?) at L-1. I see he has posted a few times today but has ignored this game. I'm good with staying on the Star/Jak wagon.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Well...Jak's at L-2 so he is the frontrunner atm and the day is almost over. Jak...Got Claim?Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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10 hours until deadline. Jak is at L-2. No one else is really close. Jak has claimed. So.....whassup?Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Checking in. Catching up a bit. Not sure why there is so much discussion about an SK More later.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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