Open 316 - Hard Boiled (Day Two)
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I wouldn't mind a massclaim - if one has never been tried before.
The previous hard boiled was the first one town ever won, so if this is a new idea for this set up, I'll consider it (but not necessarily agree).
But I am slightly worried because I've seen Hooplascum manipulate the numbers before... She is the queen of numbers.-
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But I agree that a massclaim shuldnt happen until we have some gameplay with which to judge counterclaims etc-
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VOTE: LittleGrey
You FoS someone pre-game and then RVS vote someone else while maintaining your FoS might be scum?
Hell. No.
Also, zmuffin, don't rub it in.-
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Hoopla (and all) what do you think of littlegrey's vote shenanigams?
I am interested in hearing Hoopla's gamebreaking plan for evaluation.-
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swankidelic wrote:Re: LittleGrey - I'm not sure why she RVS vote when she has a suspicion. She even calls it an RVS vote, which to me is just.... wonky. There's enough content now, there's no need to cast an RVS vote.
That much is obvious. I want to know what you think that says about his alignment.-
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What about smuffin's speculation was scummy, swank?-
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Oversoul, zmuffin was making fun of me because I shot a claimed psychologist n1 of the last hardboiled and the hider hid behind me and I was nearly lynched - but we lynched scum instead and then I shot scum and we won.
Zmuffin and I were both in that game.
LittleGrey, I saw you say something about "your main account" somewhere. What is it?-
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Well, it was to describe the vig, not the detective. But yes, it was referring to me and my fail and then subsequent win.-
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Okay, but you are not a newbie. That is what is really important.
That means I'm happier with my vote on you.-
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DarkFlashlight, you have an otter icon so I love you, but please try something more closely resembling content soon.-
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I didn't say I was great paragon of content - as it is very early game - but the fact remains that several things have happened that ARE noteworthy and you have managed to avoid them all, Flashlight.-
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Hider should not claim target.
Support this plan.-
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No, because a confirmed clear will go a hell of a long way.-
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True,n but I still don't think it's good to announce.
And if the scum kill the HT, then we get a spych/det result AND we know there's scum in that VT pool so we just kill it until it's dead.-
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Did you miss the part where knowing there's scum in the vt pool is a good thing?-
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But losing the utiliiity of the hider and ht also doesn't seem good. :/-
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Hmm. I can't decide. Once I hear some other opinions, it might be easier. I prefer Hider claiming target to hider not hidig at all, I think.-
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Yes, because that's two town deaths vs 1.
Not directed at me, but that's my issue.
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I played in the last two hard boiled - once as pants on head town that lost, and once as lolvig.
Eeeeh, so, I said I'd give this a shot, so let's do it - hider doesn't hide.-
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Wouldn't that be nice? -.-
We need more posting from other people. I agree.-
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Dark: I like this proposed Hider plan best so far, I think.
neil: Why wouldn't the vig know in which pool of people to vig? We can assume the vig can read English.-
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He uses his best scumhunting abilities, using the pool to narrow his choices. Of course.-
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Why would scum go all in the non-vig pool? That guarantees two scum deaths before D2.-
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I just thought of a way for scum to manipulate this but I'm not sure if I should say.-
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No, because isn't the vig supposed to shoot from the non vig pool as well?-
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Zmuffin: And if all 3 scum go in non-vig pool, one is definitely lynched. Obviously. Are you saying we might no lynch?-
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Glowball, I will quickly lose patience if you refuse to read and then expect us to re-explain everything to you.
I was busy workposting early and mixed up the pool from which the vig shoots. Sorry.
P-edit: DF has pinpointed the flaw I saw earlier: if all scum hide in the no claim pool, it's much easier for them to find the vig. And if they get lucky and find it while being mostly in the VT pool, we're fucked.-
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I also meant to say:
Swank, why the 180 about liking the plan?-
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So you think we should stall the game as a consideration to you? Seriously?
I could understand if there were pages and pages, but this is page 6. If you have time to post 4 times, you have time to read it.
The initial summary is fine, but if you are going to ask us to re-hash every nuance... That's an incredible amount of noise.
You SHOULD be interested in reading the game for scumhunting purposes, but you're not, and that concerns me.
Sorry if you see this as being rude (I don't), but I consider it rude to ask for the game handed to you on a silver platter and rude to "refuse" to read the hard work we have put into a game you committed to.-
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No, 3/6 split is better. It almost guarantees scum in both pools.-
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Have you read the thread yet? If so, what don't you understand? What about it don't you agree with?
How do you expect us to go through with this plan if you are not participating?
There is no point in lynching Hoopla and then proceeding.-
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We can't go forward with the plan unless you are going to participate in it, glowball.
And unless Hoopla is a VT in the lynch pool, we can't lynch her.
P-edit: exactly.-
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Oh my God. Read the 4 pages you missed or whatever. Seriously.-
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Why is it so difficult to articulate what you disagree with?
And right now we're stalled due to lurkers. I would llike to get started but we need everyone's consent.-
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I AM INTERESTED. How many times do I have to say? Stop being a sensitive little flower and read words.
If you have found holes in the plan, I want to hear them.-
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^This. Also, the plan loses its efficiency if we wait until d2.-
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I haven't been mean to you. The senstive comment has been the first rude thing I've said because every post in the game from you has been willfully and purposefully anti-town.
Sorry for calling you sensitive, but you are. That doesn't make you a bad person, but I can't and won't pander to your sensitivity at the expense of the game.
If you are upset that the game won't be conventional, I understand that, but you're not contributing anything in the way of counterarguments or scumhunting, either. Asking you for those is not being mean and is not an excuse for you to clam up.
The more you do, the more it makes me feel like you are scum frustrated at town's plan - which is why I have been pushing you to see what you will do. Your continual anti-town play does not inspire confidence.-
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I won't participate in a d2 massclaim. Glowball's plan entirely eliminates scumhunting under the guise of advocating it.-
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You're saying you want to scumhunt but then proposing plans that eliminate it.
What I'm saying is that if you are THAT against the plan that you will only follow it if we lynch Hoopla, then I'd rather play the game straight. That was the intent of that, and that's what you want anyway.
Also, I am not sheeping anyone. I have made my stances quite clear.
I have also NOT been rude. The intents of my posts have never been rudeness. It is the internet and some things can get confused that way, but even if you choose to think I am being rude, why would my mild rudeness effect your willingness to play towards your own wincon? It shouldn't. I don't think you're being objective at all.-
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Being biased is not a good thing, glowball.
And your proposition wastes an entire day of town's time, and an entire night, and reduces the pool of players so much that there is no efficiency left in the plan.
You have yet to explain why Hoopla is scummy - and this is the first time I remember you saying she might flip scum. You kept saying we should lynch her first and then proceed and it bugged me the whole time - definitely implying prior knowledge that Hoopla is town.
The attempts to shut down a good plan and replace it with a poor one could be scum OR null motivated, but I cannot ignore the way you are trying to subtly throw mud on Hoopla by appealing to paranoia and using her good reputation against her.
You have yet to point out a singular flaw in the plan, and I think you KNOW Hoopla will flip town.
VOTE: Glowball
Still FoSing Little Grey though.-
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It is not the fact that you disagree, as I stated. The disagreeing is null. It's how you are talking about Hoopla's alignment and lack any sort of scumhunting.
Link me some games in which scum suggested mass claim day 1 and it was carried out to scum victory - especially an Open game! CryMeARiver's open led to massclaim on day 2 which nailed scum and I wish we had done it on day 1.
Also point out specific flaws in THIS plan, which is not exactly a massclaim to begin with.
P-edit: You actually don't.-
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Glowball, I only want you lynched if you end up in the no-vig lynch pool if we go through the plan. Obviously.
Even if you, Little Grey, and someone else were in that pool, I would robably pick Little Grey over you to be lynched.
I am using my vote as a scumhunting tool atm.
Your thoughts for why Hoopla might be scum are basically that you think massclaims are bad, without looking at this particular plan or Hoopla's motivations even if the plan WERE bad. You are looking for categorical flaws rather than intention, which is scum-minded posting.
Neil, I don't know. We're still waiting for some people to post and even if they agree glowball might still refuse.-
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Glowball, again, I'm sorry if I came off as rude, as that was not my intention.
Personally, if we don't go through with the plan I'd probably rather lynch Little Grey, though andrew is creeping up as well.
But I really want to go through with the plan.
Also jakesh needs to post.-
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I'm actually considering Quilford's idea as well. I don't see a downside. If we get more than three PR claims, we can just make them clarify and THEN do individual claims.
I like it a lot, actually.
We should do that.-
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Oh, and glowball, town has only won this set up ONCE, and it was due to the vig (me, actually).-
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But then if we get 4 PR claimers, we can choose a popcorn of who says their role.-
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Hoopla wrote:zMuffinMan wrote:@Hoopla,
What Amrun said. Minus popcorn.
We deal with proper claims if, and only if, there are more than 3 people claiming PR. In this case, we do det-psych claim/s first, HT claims second and hider claims third, within the group of people claiming PRs.
Yeah. I'm down.
We'll do it like "PR" or "not PR" - obviously the vig claims to not be a PR.
Should we popcorn for this initial sequence of claims, or get a list from scummiest to towniest going?
Yes, I agree with this plan. I am considering popcorn for this, too, but I think we could also just let the PRs step up (might decrease counterclaiming chance, as if scum go later and think the previous PRs are weak, they might CC). If we tell all the town PRs (minus vig) to claim ASAP, it could decrease chances of scum CCing because if they rush to claim, the real role might be super townie and CC and they'd be in a bad position.
glowball - No, several people have mentioned it. It's distracting and it's the reason my vote is on you. You sound like you know too much about people's alignments.-
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That's a fair point about zmuffin. Zmuffin, is glowball scummy to you or not?-
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Okay, then why point out glowball's scummy alignment business?-
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I suppose not, but it sounds like coaching.-
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Neil, we are waiting on jakesh. We might as well discuss while we wait for him to post or get replaced.-
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I actually kind of agree with glowball here. She might be throwing me into that category of people attacking her personality, even though I have never done so, but calling her personality flawed is a little over the line, imho.-
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It's been explained several times, glowball.-
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