Open 322: C9++ [Game Over - Scum Win]

[DonJosh]

VOTE: kcdaspot

[DonJosh]

VOTE: Big Sleep
Scum flake. Was nervous of his new role after being so scummy in the pre-game.

[DonJosh]

VOTE: Jason

the Red Power Ranger

lol hes dead. Nice try though

And whats with the OMGUS wagon on me?! D=
VOTE: projectmatt
Sheep.

[DonJosh]

VOTE: Jason

the Red Power Ranger

IDGAF I'll lynch him in the GRAVE.

Anyway yeah since that last one doesn't count and I wasn't paying attention to who died...

Cant tell if this is genuine or scum-WIFOM... :/

[DonJosh]

VOTE: Jason

the Red Power Ranger

IDGAF I'll lynch him in the GRAVE.

Anyway yeah since that last one doesn't count and I wasn't paying attention to who died...

Cant tell if this is genuine or scum-WIFOM... :/

Please tell me you're joking.

Somewhat
I've seen scum do it, and it can work, just the little things like that.
But its a weak WIFOM. so nah.

[DonJosh]

Anyway since page 1 and 2 are full of complete nonsense, would someone mind filling me in with their version of the game so far?
Aka a brief summary kthxbai.

Well first Nobody Special vote/unvoted every sigle player
Big Sleep flaked
Then kcda OMGUS wagoned
projectmatt sheeped
Thats pretty much it

[DonJosh]

Also, wrong "there/their/they're".

[DonJosh]

Also, wrong "there/their/they're".

-.-
I am a dumbass.
SO NVM IGNORE THIS POST

[DonJosh]

voted you AFTER you voted bigsheep.

[sarcasm]oh wow so much OMGUS, yep[/sarcasm]

Fair enough. I misunderstood. My bad

[DonJosh]

Nobody asked for mine, but here they are anyways.

Spoiler: Reads So Far

• DCJ: leaning town
• Kcda: leaning town
• Nobody Special: Null/Town
• projectmatt: Null/Scum

[DonJosh]

I think that if Don flips scum, then DCJ is probably town, but more on that later.

Though, like I said, if DonJosh flips scum, DCJ is probably town. I will explain if it turns out true.

Better sooner than later.

[DonJosh]

Where did any of these reads come from?

DCJ posts town-like
kcda is active scumhunting
ns hasnt contributed much, but gut says town
Youre mainly neutral, but i get scum vibes from a few posts

[DonJosh]

STILL loving my vote.

What makes my reads scummy?

[DonJosh]

Cant tell if this is genuine or scum-WIFOM... :/

It's because of this post. I'm going to bed. I'm a bit jumbled on terms of my reads right now. When I get some sleep I may get a clearer head.

DonJosh is the only read that I am relatively confident on.

Read the next few posts after that one.

[DonJosh]

Okay, thank you.

DonJosh? Same for you? You forgot, or just didn't know?

Same.

[DonJosh]

don_johnson's wagon vote is still RVS. I definitely want to here more from him.

[DonJosh]

what kinds of things would you like to hear?

Opinions. Reads. Contributions. Anything, really. Just moarposting.

[DonJosh]

I only heard about this setup two days ago, and it seemed interesting to me. So I joined when I stumbled upon the replacement request.

It keeps evading me that the game only started yesterday (?), so sorry for asking for a prod and calling out lurkers. However, I think it's unwise to lynch before everyone has gotten a chance to contribute to the thread in some way. We do have four weeks per Day. I just read another C9++ game that was over in 9 pages, which is ridiculous, so maybe that's just how you guys play.

These are fair enough explanations, although it does make it seem like you're not paying enough attention.

What's convenient about agreeing with wagons? Both players have exhibited scummy behavior, and are actually the only people I think have done so thus far in the thread. projectmatt much moreso than DonJosh, but still. I could have shown up late as I did and disagreed with both wagons, sure, but the events of the thread would lead anyone to vote on one wagon or the other. I would have joined the projectmatt wagon if not for the fact that there are some non-contributors hanging out.

Wait, seriously? You're saying that it's not convenient and safe to head into a thread and say "I agree with what everyone else said" instead of coming up with an original thought or examining one of the other nine players in the game? And the whole "anyone else would do this" bit is both false and a cop-out.

Overall Abel's posts really strike me as trying too hard to be town. He tried to set himself up as the ur-townie when he came into the thread being all "you guys need to post bettar" and then posted a ton of irrelevant set-up stuff. And then there's stuff like this:

Now that your motives are a little clearer, I'm prepared to ascribe a temporary town read to you.

This is so qualified as to be completely meaningless. Is there any doubt that you would or could go back on being "prepared to ascribe a temporary town read" if necessary? Calling the read "temporary" is just adding in an escape clause for if the wind starts blowing in a different direction.

So I think HA is our best bet right now. I'd be willing to settle for a Matt lynch, but we still have lots of time before the deadline so we should look at some other players. Not really feeling the Josh wagon.

pedit: kcda, I guess I can see that. As I said above, Abel seems to be hedging his bets when it comes to Matt, and that could very well be interaction between buddies. Then again, it would also make sense if Matt is town too.

^Town

[DonJosh]

I SEE YOU SCRUFFY

HES GONE D=

[DonJosh]

quit polluting the thread with playful banter. seriously, these games get long enough.

donjosh: have you yet responded to projectmatts accusation? it seems you need to explain your original vote on sleep with more than just "its because of his actions pregame." matt has stated that sleep was not all that scummy, so how do you interpret it? if you have responded already can you please repost it or give me a number to refer to?

Okay, thank you.

DonJosh? Same for you? You forgot, or just didn't know?

Same.

[DonJosh]

His fight with kcdaspot. Wasn't overly scummy. My vote was mainly a joke. Calm down.

[DonJosh]

Goodness sakes, calm down, KDCA.

Nobody Specual is fluffing, yes. I already pointed this out and you didn't respond to it. DCJ is also posting fluff and you pointed it out. Both players came they get their real tells on day 2. What you are doing is making a suspicious case on DCJ and then doing the same on Nobody Special and calling it SUBSTANIAL EVIDENCE HE IS SCUM, OMGZ! Why? Because he caught you on saying something scummy?

PM makes a good point here. As fluffy as NS is, I am going to wait until kcda makes a sober post before placing my vote...

[DonJosh]

why is donjosh still alive?

kc: ns is one of those characters that always reads as scum to me. best course of action is to wait until day 2. if he doesn't kick it up a notch then you bring the pressure. right now, its painfully obvious that josh is scum. seriously, why does he have to wait for you to be sober before placing a vote?

Because its a toss-up between kcda and ns.
-NS being fluffy and jumping at catching kcda's slip* was scummy.
-Kcda overreacting and not giving solid reasoning besides quoting ISO is also scummy.

I had an initial town read on kcda, so right now I'm suspecting NS moreso than kcda, but I'd still like better reasoning from kcda.

*This "slip" is also a reason for my indecisiveness. I can't tell if it was truely a slip or not. It didn't seem like one at first, but when kcda jumped at NS as soon as he pointed it out...

[DonJosh]

Wait... you have 2 mafia and the rest is town?

we have 3 scum among us.

[DonJosh]

Am I at L-1?

[DonJosh]

I'm a Vanilla Townie + Miller
Now get some votes off before scum quickhammers.

[DonJosh]

Good job, PM and Abel! I kinda failed :S
Anyway, my miller claim would have worked if I had read my role PM right. I thought I flipped town and appeared scum to cops, but it was the other way around -.-