Open 322: C9++ [Game Over - Scum Win]

[zMuffinMan]

VOTE: projectmatt

^serious vote, everyone should sheep it.

[zMuffinMan]

Those reads are in line with mine.

[zMuffinMan]

so like this is what I have:

town:

kcda
NS
jazz
donjosh

scum:

projectmatt

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Why is projectmatt scum?

Tried way too hard to 'fit in' and be like NS/kcda on p1. Typical of scum trying to fit in with town. <- that was the initial reasoning for my vote
Subsequent posts from him don't make me feel any better about his alignment. Weak case on DonJosh, who's like Easy Target A, seems like he's trying way too hard to justify his vote and, well, DonJosh isn't even playing like scum, IMO.
The dichotomy between jazz and donjosh that projectmatt created is also worthy of note. It's a cop-out thing to say, because he's not entitled to back it up if DonJosh is town.

[zMuffinMan]

I'm actually surprised, though that you think DonJosh is town. Can you elaborate on some of these tells please?

I don't use tells. I just look at posts and decide whether I think it's coming from scum or town. I look at motivation.

I've gone over donjosh in ISO. I'm still not reading him as scum. Not really reading him as town, either, but my scum read on you makes him town for now. Otherwise, I'd probably be null on him.

[zMuffinMan]

unvote

more when sober

[zMuffinMan]

comitting time to this later today.

i have town reads on matt, jazz, kcda. The rest I'm wavering on.

more detail etc later

[zMuffinMan]

jazz you're town because I said you're town. deal with it. don't like it? tell me your scum partners and i'll change my mind.

[zMuffinMan]

OK, so, first of all, matt's attempts at scum hunting look genuine. I'm not sold on his reasoning for donjosh, but I'm so, so following his thought processes right now. He looks town.

kcda I'm mostly calling town because of the nuances in his posts. He's not doing anything spectacular in terms of scum hunting, but the confidence in his posts and specific turns of phrase he's using make me think he's town. Looks genuine.

jazz came into the game voting Jason, and while that

may

have been jazz-scum WIFOMing, that and subsequent posts from him looked genuinely town. Again, this is more a case of him not doing anything spectacular in terms of scum hunting or anything, but still looking town.

as for the rest of the game:

Amor doesn't have enough posts. Sheeped matt, switched to Honest Abel. Not sure what to make of him yet. Slight town vibes, but nothing I'd be willing to put money on.

bv310's made 1 post. It was crap.

don_johnson I'm sort of meh on. He's the kind of player who I think I could read better further down the line. Hasn't really impressed me so far.

donjosh really doesn't come across as all that scummy to me. I'm so null on his posts it's not funny. I'd like to see more reads and reasoning and less quote-walling.

gman is scum.

honest abel is interesting. fence-sitting and overly-analytical. the way he's going about questioning really makes me think he's scum. seems insincere. maybe it's just that I don't like his particular playstyle. null->scum on him.

NS I initially felt was town, just because of his early-game antics (something I consider atypical for scum), but since then he's done nothing that really solidified him as a town read so he's gone back down to null.

sgraaize has like 2 posts. They were crap.

I am the epitome of awesomeness. And town. If you question this, you are scum. The end.

VOTE: donjosh

This guy needs pressure to actually post content.

[zMuffinMan]

Why isn't NS's vote on someone?

abel

is

was town, btw.

[zMuffinMan]

why?

That wasn't scum replacing out.

[zMuffinMan]

Sure, whatever floats your boat.

That wasn't a scum replace-out, though. That was town-frustrated-that-he-can't-get-into-the-game replacing out.

[zMuffinMan]

Actually there are a few ways you could know it without being scum. But I wouldn't read too deeply into that being anything more than an assumption.

I'll catch up on the rest of this thread later tonight. Busy today.

[zMuffinMan]

@NS,

No, I'm not. For example, a 3-man mason group automatically means 3 scum (+possibly a SK).

Regardless, like I said, it was probably a false assumption, as shown by recent posts.

[zMuffinMan]

why is donjosh still alive?

nfi.

this discussion of "slips" is boring.

[zMuffinMan]

unvote

It's 3:20am and I want some time to consider this.

Not entirely sure I believe that claim.

@Mod:

Theoretically, if there were a miller or millers in this setup, would they be naive? Or are we not allowed to know?

[zMuffinMan]

wait nm, just checked list of roles. I guess they aren't naive. hmm...

[zMuffinMan]

what was the turning point? Anyone?

tbh, he went from a scum read to a town read for me just based on how convinced he seemed to be that don_josh was scum.

Turns out it was because he had inside knowledge.

Whether or not I would have figured that out in later days, I'm not sure. I stopped really following this after I died...

How did dcj get lynched? He was so town.

And I need to work on being less of a perceived threat or something... I die early as town far too often. I suppose that's not a terrible thing when I'm a VT, but still... Didn't even realise I was playing in any sort of strong way in this game. I sort of just coasted by this game without reading much, ended up dead and well... meh.