Open 320- Tit for Tat: Game Over!

[Magua]

Relevant

Killing DCJ is whatisthisidonteven territory -- he was just so obviously town through D1 that I can't even comprehend what IH was thinking.

SleepyKrew's "DCJ, you got some 'splainin' to do" is similarly wtf.

I like verydark. I don't like him as much as I liked DCJ, but I still have a good townfeel on him.

I also like MagnaofIllusion, whom, at some point, LLD will mix up with me.

I really don't like Seraphim. I really don't like a post that starts off with how town Viscera is looking and then ends with a vote on Viscera.
Sigma I find scummy for the complete opposite, he's all "Viscera is scummy" but then never actually votes him while still continuing to shoot down his posts.

Everyone else is in a bug null puddle, though Sleepy's at the scummier end of that pool.

[Magua]

VOTE: Seraphim

[Magua]

Wait, so IH killed coffee, and scum killed IH? WTF? I need a minute to wrap my mind around this.

I don't see how this is hard to grasp at all.

(Insert joke about "Even SleepyKrew understands it...")

[Magua]

Magua replaces Magua!

Everyone welcome Magua to the game!

[Magua]

Glad to be here!

May I interest you in voting Seraphim?

[Magua]

I think SK is town so far. But I wouldn't recommend you to keep posting like that.

Who do you think is mafia?

[Magua]

Thread needs more Sigma and Stefan.

[Magua]

Don't. Get. Me. Started.

I've done this. WAY too much.

Especially in NIGHT ACTIONS.

Spoiler: Rebuttal

@verydark:

How many games have you played? Have you played any games in real life / on other sites?

@SigmaEXE:

I've seen you browsing the boards. Please post here.

[Magua]

Oh, yes. I'd forgotten to thank you for saving my life[1] in that game as I killed you.

Ahem.

Thank you.

Now, who's mafia?

[1] For those not in on the joke, LLD was trying to redirect my night action (which was a kill) onto myself, but typoed my name as "Magna".

[Magua]

Sigma I find scummy for the complete opposite, he's all "Viscera is scummy" but then never actually votes him while still continuing to shoot down his posts.

And that's scummy... why?

If you think someone's scummy, you should vote that person. I see no reason to be afraid of putting someone at L-1 on D1.

Mudslinging while not voting is what scum do to get someone lynched while not being on the wagon themselves. You are absolutely not allowed to bandy about terms like "Appeal to Emotion" and then ask why not voting is scummy. It's not like you were advocating any other possible lynch.

I don't really like Magua's case on Seraphim. He said that VE looked town

on page 2

. From what I've seen, replacements tend to give their thoughts as of certain posts. I don't think him saying VE was scummy later is contradicting himself, rather a change in thought process over time.

I was being quite literal when I said that Seraphim's post starts out saying VE is town, and then voting VE

in the same post

. This is not an instance of "he said one thing and then changed his mind later." This is him fence-sitting. I wasn't even referencing anything that kondi posted.

Oh look, one of my favorite new tells. The “ooops it was a Newb mistake I didn’t understand the clearly posted Set-up in an Open Game” tell. Who pulled that same sort of play in Umbrage’s “Jungle Republic” Mafia? Cjdrum and Neil1113 both did, and both were Mafia.

So here, have this!!

VOTE: Verydark

That's a huge stretch. I haven't read Open 302, but neither cjdrum nor Neil1113 are newbies. verydark is. I had a townread on him even before the vig comment because his D1 play shows he obviously cares...unlike Seraphim or Sigma.

Jury's out on LLD's SleepyKrew test. I don't find a sarcastic "OMG YOU FOUND ME OUT" an alignment tell in either direction for him.

[Magua]

Seraphim being on V/LA does not change my scummy read of him from D1.

Re: the PM, I'm asking Regfan how his hydra'ing with you went and will make a decision when I get a response from him. Patience.

[Magua]

Can we lynch it yet?

No.

I'm not interested in lynching anyone until Seraphim comes back from V/LA.

[Magua]

Sigma: I have not insulted you. Do not insult me.

[Magua]

Great.

UNVOTE: Seraphim
VOTE: SigmaEXE003

Who's the mafia?

[Magua]

A random vote is an unjustified vote. Please write your reasoning on your votes, even it looks soooo obvious to you. Otherwise, some people (like me) can consider it a random vote. Obviously, I think noone here thinks the start of D2 has RVS too.

Sigma lurked, but he didn't say nothing about that, what is suspicious. Although, noone asked him directly about that, so he kinda has a pseudo-excuse. If you want to say something about your low activity, please do it now.

There are 4 more people here that thought VE was scum. You can ask them too, but we all had extremly reasonable reasons to vote him. He just wasn't town.

My reads are very blurry right now. I have a slight town read on SK, after his first posts on D2. Altough, his recent interactions with LLD make me think about a scumteam.
Other person that is under my scumdar is Magua, but that's more gut that anything else, despite his side-line comments.

Vote:Lady Lambdadelta

I love everything about this post except that vote.

[Magua]

@Magua:Can you tell me why is that?

You're trying. Your reads seem reasonable not particularly forced. Your overall tone is rational.

But then you have this vote for LLD that seems left field. Your only other mention of her is that you think she could be in a scumteam with SK, but you've got a townread on SK. Nothing about LLD being scummy on her own or other reasons for the vote. That part seems forced and reads off.

I *really* don't like Sigma asking what's scummy about criticizing someone without voting them, and then when I answer, his response is literally "WIFOM". Looking back, this just looks worse in correspondence with his answer to Magna on newb slips: "WIFOM, WIFOM, WIFOM"

Re: LLD and voting block. I'm happy for both you and Magna to sheep me. That is totally agreeable. =)

1. So you are saying that verydark is Town because he care? So scum, inherently don’t care?

Newbs are a lot more transparent with their intent than experienced players. I don't feel that verydark is being duplicitous with what he's saying; it rings as sincere.

2. I’d like you to assess your standards as to what constitutes a “newb”

Jungle Republic was also cjdrum's *at least* 5th game (it's the fifth listed on his wiki, but I know for a fact he was also in Open 295 which isn't listed because he replaced out). And cjdrum is a very active and prolific poster. Length of time alone just doesn't cut it.

[Magua]

I've got some pretty good meta on SKrew, in case anyone's interested ~

Less "can I be in the voting bloc", more saying who the mafia are.

[Magua]

We get free Hats! Hats for all!!!

I already have a

dunce cap

hat.

Honestly, I have very little interest to pursue anything until Seraphim returns, which kind of sucks for a game.

verydark, whyfore no voting?

[Magua]

Ok, I'm more than happy with this move.

VOTE: verydark

Magua

- Come on over my friend!

@Mod:

Please prod Sigma and malpascp.

Better idea: You follow *me* and vote Sigma. I've seen nothing out of that slot except negative shoot-downs combined with a disturbing lack of positions.

SleepyKrew wagon is much better than the verydark wagon, particularly after #317.
The speed of LLD-MagnaofIllusion-SleepyKrew with the verydark votes bothers me.

[Magua]

Did you even read 309?

Yes.

I read 309 as a newbie who, lacking concrete ideas of what scum might actually be doing, is looking back and making a case on behavior he finds suspicious.

Now, the case is crap, but the intent seems real, and verydark hasn't exactly been tunneling SK or anything like that.

I'm honestly not seeing the scumminess that you're attributing to 309. The worst I can get out of it is "Explain your vote" directed at SK and no one else.

and Magua? If Verydark flips scum, SleepyKrew is town and Sigma is scum.

Verydark scum -> Sigma scum

but Sigmascum =/= Verydark scum

See what I'm drawing?

That we should be lynching Sigma. =P

[Magua]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: verydark
Just a note, LYLO tomorrow if we mislynch.

IIoA -- you should be explaining your vote on verydark, but instead you're posting a fact that isn't even relevant to the vote.

[Magua]

... the hell?

This isn't IIOA.

"If we mislynch it's lylo tomorrow" is exactly IIoA.

I've already said I'm down for dark/malp/Sigma/possibly Seraphim if he continues to be scummy.

But you didn't vote verydark until LLD and MoI did, and, as far as I can tell, the only reason you did vote verydark was *because* LLD and MoI did.

Blatant Misrepresentation.

Do you see Moai? Magua?

Yes, I see.

I'm pondering.

Want to hear what Seraphim has to say, and I want to see what Sigma does.

[Magua]

SleepyKrew, verydark has said why he thinks your posts are scummy. Twice, if I recall correctly.

I've said why I think your posts are scummy. Twice.

Who, exactly, do you want to answer this question?

Sad Seraphim hasn't posted yet.

[Magua]

*pokes Seraphim*
*pokes Sigma*

The stuff on this page is just too weird for me to even process at this point.

[Magua]

UNVOTE: SigmaExe
VOTE: Seraphim

Hai thar.

[Magua]

Dude, it's 16 pages. I think I read it in half an hour. You've *obviously* been reading the thread because you posted a response to me voting you.

[Magua]

Sorry guys, I was warned about my V/LA very fast, and didn't had the time to say so in every game. I was expecting Magua to tell you that, as he knew I was V/LA, but it's funny that SK noticed it first...

Yeah, I missed it in my own game. =P

Re: Shift. I'd prefer no-hydra, but I will take a hydra over an empty slot, and I will take a hydra over having to have the slot replaced in August. I do want to know the other head of the hydra. That's non-negotiable.

SK and LLD need to either start ignoring eachother or posting more than pointless one-liners that not only are pointless, but make me want to lynch them both.

I see nothing in Seraphim's posts that make me want to unvote him.

[Magua]

verydark is town. Seraphim is scum. Luxury is meh, but him replacing SigmaExe isn't doing any favors as far as I'm concerned.

People to stop replacing out would be nice.

Since you've returned from V/LA, there's been one replacement out (Sigma for Luxury). This reads as scum who are annoyed that a lurking possible mislynch has gotten replaced by someone posting. Seraphim-scum means Luxury-town.

[Magua]

@Magua
When did verydark become town? WHY?

When he received a town role PM.

Because he received a town role PM.

<_<
>_>

In all seriousness, I've been calling him town since my very first post here in the game. I've been called out on it by Lady Lambdadelta and MagnaofIllusion so far. Where have *you* been?

[Magua]

I was too busy watching you focus on Seraphim

>.>
<.<

So seriously. Why is he town? Because ignoring questions and misrepping people isn't very towny.

Read my posts. There aren't that many and they aren't walls. Then come back and tell me the parts you disagree with.

I'm all about "summarize your wall o' doom", but you keep asking things ("Why do people keep voting me?") well after they've been answered. Show me you're reading the game and I'll put more effort into my responses to you.

[Magua]

Magua if this promise isn’t made good on I’m going to make a stern face at you and tell you to get you vote on verydark for Voting Block unity purposes.

You’ve been warned.

*ffears*

Yes, it makes him look bad. But he's also the third person to do it (Seraphim and malpascp being the other two) and unless I'm about to wake up with stained sheets[1], they're not *all* mafia.

@LLD and Magua

– Will you join me on a Malp wagon if we can't come together on verydark / Seraphim? Our voting block isn’t being very blocklike

Seraphim lynch > malpascp lynch > SleepyKrew lynch > StefanB lynch > verydark lynch

If I can't get traction on Seraphim (but goddammit, he's *so* scummy), I'll join on malpascp. Say, on the 4th.

Deadline's in two days. Fuck this.

UNVOTE: Seraphim
VOTE: malpascp

I'm very interested to read what implosion has to say, but he needs to hurry his ass up.

[1] Again.

[Magua]

And yet there you are, voting verydark

[Magua]

UNVOTE: malpascp
VOTE: Seraphim

Verydark is a sore spot for me because the way he whiteknighted scummy town is similar to what I did in Mafia Invictus, but the way he does it comes off town as is #185, though that's easily fakeable.

Luxury, you are not a newb. Why the hell are you saying you're suspicious of a newb for doing something that you-as-scum would do to appear town, ie, something town?

[Magua]

Suspect lie. Need picture of cake first.

[Magua]

Spoiler: My face when

[Magua]

I only see the cold, hard truth.

[Magua]

Also, I see that you stole Faraday's cake.

[Magua]

You're just saying that because you want something from me.

You don't really mean it.

[Magua]

How about you vote Seraphim?

[Magua]

Then why ask about the lynch support?

[Magua]

Damn it SK, you really like blood.

He is a shark.

So if you are washing that element away from all three (which you have to by the “they are all doing it” argument) what separates Seraphim from very?

verydark is newb. newb is easy to read. I'm pretty goddamn sure part of the instigation on him is scum-driven. You throw out a tell, I throw back that it either can't be a tell or that we've caught all the mafia. What separates Seraphim from verydark is a) a few years experience playing mafia, and b) that verydark is at least trying whereas Seraphim isn't at all.

[Magua]

Magua

- so you are saying he "OH MY GOD YOU KILLED VISCERA YOU BASTARDS" rant before the Mod had actually flipped Viscera is a Newb Town tell? Because I see it as a Newb scum tell personally. The case on verydark is hardly just 'not delivering content'. You know every well that is the case.

That's not what he said. He said:

#155: "Are you guys fucking serious? If VE flips town, you are ALL on my shit list. I will go through and ISO each of you because its guaranteed that scum is on this wagon. There is absolutely no need to put someone at L-1 and rolefish this early in the game."

#158: "Ok, you're so overly willing to hammer, and yet after reading you in ISO, you have gave NO argument for why. You and VE have obviously had some back and forth aggressiveness, but you have not fully explained WHY you're voting him. Your hammer vote seems VERY opportunistic."

#159: "Please, please, allow VE to at least respond or get prodded before you hammer. Not letting him defend himself is absolutely anti-town.

His last post was yesterday...give him till tomorrow to post.

We have ten days until the deadline, there is NO REASON to rush this lynch."

#162: "Wow, if you just lynched a townie, I URGE everyone to vote for you in day 2. You are probably the most anti-town player I've EVER encountered."

That's fucking not "YOU KILLED VISCERA EYES YOU BASTARD," that's "OMG WHY ARE YOU RUSHING AND PUSHING THIS LYNCH THROUGH WHEN WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME."

Whereas Seraphim's content today can be summarized as, "Oh, I see there's a wagon on me. Whelp, I'm happy to vote the other guy."

[Magua]

Great job in transcribing his posts. My point remains.

Your point is that he said something he didn't say. I showed all the things he said, none of which were "OMG YOU GUYS VISCERA IS GOING TO FLIP TOWN". Your response isn't, "Oh, Magua, you're so right as usual," it's "Whatever"?

That's fucking scummy.

In reviewing your transcription I also notice verydark’s little DERP up on the death of IH / DCJ. Thanks for reminding me about that little piece of scumminess.

Oh, yeah. Because verydark-scum is going to forget who his team killed.

You can't be serious.

Except that ‘other guy’ in question would be verydark if Seraphim was simply pushing the convienant wagon. Yet instead he goes after LLD who isn’t going to be lynched today. His content may be weak but it doesn’t scream “Lulz, I’m scum who is just going to take the easy route”.

What are *you* talking about? At the point where he said that, verydark had no votes on him.

At this point, votes were as so (starting at #477, ending at #486):

malpascp(4) StefanB, Lady Lambdadelta, SleepyKrew, MagnaofIllusion
Seraphim(3) Luxury, Magua, malpascp
Lady Lambdadelta (1) Seraphim
SleepyKrew(1) verydark

His exact words: "Posting from iPad. Not exactly wild about either lynch option for obvious reasons. Will vote malp to prevent no lynch but that's about it. Post in more detail later."

I stand by my read.

You don’t think verydark and Seraphim are scum together. So what play is Seraphim-scum making here? Distancing from partner LLD (who I don’t see as scum at all) or staying off the verydark-Townie wagon? Or both?

I see Seraphim-scum playing self-survival. There's no verydark wagon; LLD may be bussing or mislynch, I honestly don't know at this point. But I absolutely don't get what you're saying about him not voting verydark being some sort of towntell when there was no verydark wagon.

[Magua]

MagnaofIllusion is scummier than LLD.

[Magua]

[Magua]

malpascp, claim. I'm hammering in ~20 hours.


Ewwww. There's a bug....thing...on my cake!

Ain't no party like a baneling party-

[Magua]

This game.

VOTE: malpascp

[Magua]

Can't even reply to MoI at this point, Jesus.

[Magua]

In a homage to Thor's signature:
Times "You're better than this" has been used as a scumtell against me: 1

Do you now think verydark is town, SleepyKrew?

Luxury, who are the scum?

StefanB, who are the scum?

[Magua]

Oh, well. That makes this rather easy.

I'm VT, and you're lying/rolefishing.

VOTE: SleepyKrew

I read your vote hopping and general play as too scummy to be scum yesterday. That was my mistake. It won't be repeated the next time we play.

[Magua]

That post is such bullshit. Meta me. I'm always like that.

This meta is why I let you get away with it D1. "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice" sort of deal.

This hardly even qualifies as 1v1. If you were really a town rolecop with a guilty, you would've announced it in your first post, or you would've gone along with the massclaim to see if you were cc'ed first or not.

You went all "lets mass claim" to "no one mass claims." You're simply anxious to get this game over with. Should've gone with a guilty on Luxury; I would've bought that in a heartbeat.

Who are your buddies?

SleepyKrew and Gammagooey.

[Magua]

I see a lie for why you didn't say it in your opening post. If that were true, you wouldn't've started the Day calling for a massclaim, you would've just waited until you had your answer.

[Magua]

"I wanted to get my 'suspicion' of you out there" followed by an immediate fakeclaim.

So, yeah.

verydark is likely Town. Unsure on LLD; normally I'd say you were buddying her, but here I don't know.

StefanB's conversation with you on the last page is a minor Town-tell.

Leaves Luxury, MagnaofIllusion: at least one mafia in there, both mafia if LLD is town.

[Magua]

So.... we don't have a ML to play around with and just lynch one of them. I don't want to see any rash votes until we discuss this.

Voting block activate!

[Magua]

Erm. If SK is town, you are scum. How does this hardly qualify as a 1v1? How does SK's not saying he had a guilty until now (which he explained the reason of) make it not a 1v1?

He's not town. I know he's not town. He knows he's not town. There's no "if" here. The "hardly" 1v1 is directed at his play, which is best described as "terrible". I could draw a diagram, if you need, but that should get my point across.

As for him not saying it until now: Hypothetically, suppose that you are a rolecop entering into lylo with a guilty. You have two options:
1) Out it immediately.
2) Call for massclaim, see if you're counter claimed, out it after.

SK does neither. Instead, he calls for a massclaim, encourages a massclaim, and then turns around and outs his guilty, saying that he had to ask the mod a question. That's bullshit. If he had to ask the mod a question, he wouldn't've called for mass claim first. He'd wait for the answer to his question and move on from there.

Seems obvious to me from his initial D3 posts that he was setting up for a rolecop counter-claim, but decided that it'd look better for him to be first to claim rather than second.

so if I had to guess scum at this point, it would be magua/lld/magna.

Oh man, I could only wish.

[Magua]

I don't see how you saying he's played terribly makes it hardly a 1v1. It's a 1v1. If he's town, you're scum. If you're town, he's scum. Implying that it is anything but a 1v1 is just weird.

I'M DENIGRATING HIS ABILITY TO PLAY AS SCUM WITHOUT BALD-FACED SAYING "SLEEPYKREW, YOU SUCK AS SCUM". DOES IT MAKE SENSE NOW?

SK only encouraged a massclaim by pushing you to claim first, which makes sense. He could have been trying to lock you in a claim, he could have just known you were scum and wanted you to claim first, or he might have wanted to see if you would claim backup jailkeeper. He might have wanted to do option two, then decided option one was better.

Wanting to do option two, then deciding option one was better does not correlate with "I have to ask the mod a question". It's obvious from his initial D3 post that he doesn't need to ask the mod a question -- he's already setting me up. The "I had to ask the mod a question" is just an excuse for his change of tact in claiming now so that he can be seen as the first claimer rather than the counterclaimer.

Giving those two options and saying that any rolecop would do them is both a false dichotomy (because there are other options) and no true scotsman (because just because he didn't do either of those options it does not automatically mean he isn't a real rolecop).

Tell me, then, what you think his question was, and how it made him suggest massclaim was good at the start of the Day (while pushing on me as scum) and bad after he got his answer. Because if it's something about "lulz Sleepykrew confused Jailer and Backup Jailer" his initial D3 post doesn't make any sense. He's already setting up for calling me scum. That is not the post of someone who is uncertain and is checking something with the mod.

[Magua]

Yes, though it neither helps anyone else find the scum nor convinces me that you are town.

IT MAKES ME FEEL BETTER AND THAT'S WHAT COUNTS.

So based on the bolded, you aren't reading what SK is posting. He

said

what his question was. Also: SK wasn't the first one to suggest a massclaim, and in every post where SK called massclaiming a good idea, he specifically pushed that he wanted you to claim first.

Did you read my next sentence after the one you quoted? I'm really curious.

[Magua]

EBWOP: Did you read my next sentence after the one you

quoted

bolded? I'm really curious.

[Magua]

Why ask if I was reading what SK was posting when the *very next sentence* showed that I was?

Why continue this back and forth with me and then bow out at the end?

[Magua]

verydark, no offense intended here, but: if you're the rolecop, you have to counterclaim. It does mean you'll die, but if I get lynched the game is over anyways, so.

A lot of new players can get coy with an investigative role claim. I need to make sure that's not happening here.

[Magua]

ITT, reading the OP is tech:

You can speak only at night with your partners in the following quicktopic:<URL link here>.

[Magua]

P-Edit: I was just making a point, Magua.

I understood what point you're trying to make.

My only question is whether your question to the mod was genuine (in which case, why did you not read the OP?), or whether it was posturing.

[Magua]

The attempt was so that EVERYONE can PLAINLY see what I see.

No, if it was for you to make sure that it was so that everyone could plainly see, you would've stepped up and said it. You phrased it as a question to the mod, already knowing the answer, to make it appear more legitimate.

Also:

LLD: Magua is coaching verydark to claim.
Magna: I claim rolecop.
LLD: Magua, Magna, verydark scumteam.

Even though that makes absolutely no sense.

What scum team.. Sleepy/Luxury/Stephan?

Sleepy, Lady Lambdadelta, probably Luxury as the third

Magua: please provide an example of a game where a new player was "coy" with an investigative role claim. I've never seen or heard that, and it doesn't make sense.

There are hundreds of examples on EM where a new player doesn't cc a cop or tracker claim for fear of getting NK'ed. Both you and Shift are *well* aware of this.

[Magua]

It makes PERFECT sense.

You tried to get VeryDark to bail you out.

He didn't get the hint. But MAGNA did.

So Magna claimed it, because VeryDark has already claimed VT.

This is GG.

This is all a bunch of bullshit. Scum went into N2 knowing that D3 would be lylo and there'd likely be a massclaim. Scum knew who would be claiming what. Your saying that I wouldn't've organized claims as scum is lulz, but you don't know my scumgame very well, so maybe possible. Your saying that I *and* Magna wouldn't've organized claims as scum is TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

You can die tomorrow.

Oh. EM. This is not EM. This is MS, lol. The people on here are COMPETENT.

I have personally seen newb-scum claim roles that aren't in an *open* setup (mipe in Cults of Darkness and Shadow).

The newb behavior on EM is exactly the same as on MS.

(If anything, people on EM learn the rules of lylo faster because they get more experience quicker.)

[Magua]

You aren't talking about scum screwing up a fakeclaim. You're talking about a town power role not counterclaiming when someone claims their role. Even if what you say about EM is true, it's still a completely different atmosphere (for example, you have 10 minutes rather than 10 days to say what you want to).

I'm talking about newbies being newb. I saw no one but verydark and MoI claiming; since I know Sleepy is fake, I knew it had to be one of them, and I wanted to make sure that verydark wasn't trying some very stupid newb-gambit, especially with his #601's "I don't necessarily believe Sleepy's claim".

And, no, LLD is not making sense. She was originally trying to say I was coaching verydark. But she couldn't come out and say it, she phrased it as a question to the mod (that she already knew the answer to) so that she could call attention to it but without having to say it directly.

I point out that scum would have their claims prepared, going into lylo in an open setup. LLD is saying there's a Magua+MagnaofIllusion scumteam that didn't prepare claims. That's bullshit, she knows it, and if you don't know it, implosion, then Shift knows it.

Luxury: I am also close, but since that is my first lylo, I am hesitating a bit.
I would vote for Magua, Sleepys claim is more believible than MoIs and then the couching.

What happened to your suspicion on Sleepy from "voting any of 4 people" to now?

[Magua]

[Magua]

Also, no problem with the Mafia QT being released.

[Magua]

That was me. I thought your general lurkiness was a PR-tell.

[Magua]

Also, who was going to claim what was spelled out in the QT, and the idea that LLD seriously thought I would need to coach a teammate to claim was lulz.

Magna, Stefan, join the party!

No one else, though. Private party. =)

[Magua]

Gamma, modding was fine. Never went without a votecount, everything was clear and clean. If there were prodding issues D1, I missed them as I wasn't here, but you were very proactive and good about getting replacements.

[Magua]

This is so much better.