Open 333 : Carbon-14 - Game ended

[Whiskers]

God damn it. God damn this role. God damn it all.

Oh, also, Hi!

[Whiskers]

Vote: Mist7676

,
The player whom I haven't played with before (not counting saulres, but he's already posted here)

[Whiskers]

We need more players.

[Whiskers]

Really? I was thinking the opposite.

[Whiskers]

Vote: kondi2424

That was rather quick. ~ Otolia

[Whiskers]

wat.

[Whiskers]

kondi's "meh" makes me think that if we get a reasonable wagon on him he'll replace out like he so often does.

Kondi, a link to your last completed game that you died in and didn't replace out of, please.

[Whiskers]

holy fuck ninja'd.

Cobbler, what makes you say that?

I'll say at the end of RVS. Now, some questions:

@Whiskers: I briefly read a couple posts of one of the games you were in. You seem to have a delightful posting style. How do you expect to do this game?

I don't know. I hope to play differently. My "delightful" posting style gets my lynched more often than not. I'm trying different things in these games.

VOTE: Mist7676

Policy lynches are fun. I am also up for a kondi lynch.

Cobbler, what makes you say that?

Still relevant.

No. RVS Policy Lynches can go wrong. Especially with such a small setup.

wrong. If we manage an RVS lynch, we lynch the hammerer. This is not a newbie game, we all know better than to quicklynch in RVS.

[Whiskers]

OMFG where is that first site, I hate slow games so much.

And yeah, I guess you're right, we do only have on mislynch until lylo. Can I suggest a nolynch? allow one kill and two investigations to pass through before- wait nevermind.

That gives us less time. Okay, lynch Mist and go from there?

{preedit}
((I forgot about that-- I, too, love playing mafia, but my favorite role is the serial killer.))

[Whiskers]

Cobblerfone, what's

your

preferred alignment?

[Whiskers]

Sorry, no, wrong question. What's your preferred role. You sound as though you've played enough to have been in different roles. Which one do you like to play the best?

[Whiskers]

Misty, read the thread.

[Whiskers]

Unvote.

Vote: Xalxe

[Whiskers]

Unvote.

Vote: Xalxe

Your well-reasoned case has me utterly cowed. Truly, I confess, I am clearly the scum you are looking for.

(reasons plz)

FUCK YEAH, I DID IT!

*parties*

[Whiskers]

1. What is your timezone?

Nope.

2. Why do you play mafia?

I like being mindfucked. I like social-interaction-based team sports. I like manipulating ponies.

3. What's your favorite role?

Read the Thread. Serial Killer.

4. When do you get to post?

There is a total of Five Hours when I can not post from my laptop (1AM - 6 AM), during which I can post from my Wii.

Everyone that voted me in Pre-Game: Why?

Because you're obvscum for not checking in right away. I think it'll be fun to play with you though...

I was trying to see if we could get someone to L+3, because that's never go to happen in a real game. Thought it would be funny.

Not sure I buy that last bit. Anyway, yeah, the last game I replaced into, there was an L-1 wagon in RVS. So no, that would not never go to happen.

[Whiskers]

I was trying to see if we could get someone to L+3, because that's never go to happen in a real game. Thought it would be funny.

Not sure I buy that last bit. Anyway, yeah, the last game I replaced into, there was an L-1 wagon in RVS. So no, that would not never go to happen.

Pfaugh. I did that during a pre-game start after the mod said the votes didn't mean anything. That wasn't RVS. Once the game started I did no RVS.

And not a joke? Read it again. L

+

3, not L

-

3. As in "3 votes

past

the lynch", not "3 votes

until

the lynch."

No sense of humor, these Equestrians. At least the My Little Ponies could laugh.

I figured you were new and had mislearned the lingo. No, L+3 is unlikely to ever happen, especially in a small game.

And I'm not Pinkie Pie in this game. I can be, if you want, but read my posts in the Mini Normal Game Queue for examples of that.
I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

[Whiskers]

Everyone that voted me in Pre-Game: Why?

Because you're obvscum for not checking in right away. I think it'll be fun to play with you though....

I was at School. -.-

SCOOL IS 4 SCUM.

YOU WERE AT SCHOOL? IS THAT A BREADCRUMB FOR GETTING

SEMI-INFORMED

?

[Whiskers]

Mist, is there anypony YOU have a good read on?

[Whiskers]

You mean Pinkie Pie?

The image you requested is lost, erased by the intelligence of someone far greater. ~ Otolia

What IS that read?

[Whiskers]

1st Votecount of Day 1

:
Mist7676 (2) - Xalxe, Mist7676
Xalxe (1) - Whiskers
Whiskers (1) -saulres

As you start you search for the evil lurking among you, you hear the voice of the elder

: " Before my death, I had two friends, a seer and a cop, these will help the town finding the evil. They are totally sane and can be trusted, unless the evil took their clothes to confuse you. Pay attention and discuss carefully. Once a majority of inhabitants have voted, I shall brought upon him the wrath of the elders. Don't disappoint me !

*flush*

Oh and ... NO PONIES !

Just incase you forgot what the setup was...
"flush"? the elder appeared to us in a toilet?
You're just asking to be trolled, you know.

[Whiskers]

Unvote.

Vote: Kondi kondi kondi

[Whiskers]

No good reason. Actually, I suppose this one WAS a good reason. Here, let me recap:

Mist was a random vote.
You, Xalxe, were a semi-random vote, you said something and I just felt sort of uncomfortable about it. We are still in the Random Voting Stage, if I'm not mistaken, so I'm willing to vote on weak gut reads.
Kondi's vote is to put pressure on him. Likely this won't do anything; he'll just be inactive until the mod replaces him, negatively influencing the town.
However, with my vote not anywhere useful, I figure: It doesn't hurt to try to pressure the lurker/flaker into playing the game.

Why NOT keep changing my vote?

[Whiskers]

You are all grown-ups, if you get too personal you will most likely receive the same treatment from other players. I shall not intervene in the game on this specific matter. However any kind of racism, homophobic attacks (and similar behaviors) could force me to modkill you (possibly without any warning)

Liar...
VOTE: Mist

BANDWAGON GO!!!

Wait......
UNVOTE: Mist

VOTE: Xalxe
OMGUS!!!

I'm pretty sure we ARE still in RVS, seeing as how all the votes up until now have been random. This quoted post shows the last vote before mine. Seems random enough to me. Considering that MY votes, too, were random (kondi's not really, but it's a useless vote), we must still be in RVS.

[Whiskers]

Oh really? Your only votes have been on Mist. The first of them was in the Pregame, the second of them was the second post of Day 1-- stil in RVS. And unless you are REALLY okay with a policy lynch on her, I'd say that they

were

random.

But no, no, your votes aren't random.
Is there some sort of reason then, that you're voting Mist? Beyond that "you're okay with a policy lynch"?

[Whiskers]

/confirm

Vote: Mist7676

Policy lynch go!

(Yes, I am aware that this is two votes)

Your First Vote. Pregame RVS.

VOTE: Mist7676

Policy lynches are fun. I am also up for a kondi lynch.

Cobbler, what makes you say that?

Still relevant.

Your Second Vote. RVS(?).

You are all grown-ups, if you get too personal you will most likely receive the same treatment from other players. I shall not intervene in the game on this specific matter. However any kind of racism, homophobic attacks (and similar behaviors) could force me to modkill you (possibly without any warning)

Liar...
VOTE: Mist

BANDWAGON GO!!!

Wait......
UNVOTE: Mist

VOTE: Xalxe
OMGUS!!!

Explain to me how this added anything to the game please. My vote might become serious otherwise.

You Bitching About Mist's First Post-- Which Was RVS.

So, is that true, and your vote HAS become serious?
The only votes after Mist's are my own, which I've already pointed out.

[Whiskers]

Unvote
Vote: Cobblerfone

,
Because I'm trying out a new playstyle too.

Well.. I'm

trying

to try out a new playstyle.

Wait wait, this is just RVS again!

Unvote[/i]!

[Whiskers]

unvote

I'm used to being able to just ctrl+b to bold and unbold.

[Whiskers]

That is just as forced as your last vote on me: "I have a slight, gut, on kondi, because he said nothing, which I vaguely interpreted a town tell. Whiskers doesn't have the same vague, substanceless feeling about it that I do, therefore, Whiskers is scum (Vote whiskers)"

Cobblerfone's post "seems to say that he thinks" we are NOT out of RVS, but that he is too impatient to wait to post his reads. He said he would wait until RVS was over, however in that post he sounds as though he would not wait any longer even though Kondi hadn't posted (However, kondi posting wasn't what he was waiting for, so I interpreted it as,

"My post-condition was not met, but I will post this stuff anyway")

[Whiskers]

To deal with the accusation itself, where in my posts do you think you see me trying to stay in RVS? It is common for RVS to last several days, in a long-deadline game, but I'm not attempting to draw it out.

Your "Let's all unvote and be out of RVS" prompted another round of RVS to occur-- case in point, Cobblerfone's "Donjosh says he's trying out a new playstyle, lynch him lol." I assume this is random-vote, as "trying out a new playstyle" is not indicative of scum.

Your "joke" I just took to be a noob screwing up lingo. I said that. Even knowing what you meant, it wasn't THAT funny.
I dunno, saulres, what I see in your ISO is:
#a couple of RVSs,
#a vote against me that I thought was random, too (since the reasoning behind it was shit), but apparently not,
#Answering the questions asked by mist to get the players talking (either unrelated stuff, like your timezone, or an "I dunno lol" for your favorite role), and
#Bitching about RVS.

At every turn, you've been complaining about me, trying to stick little things on me that don't make me scum, but might make me look bad-- say, my "lack of sense of humor."
I've got my eye on you, saulres. You're my first pick for scum.

[Whiskers]

Well yes. But I'm trying to get the game moving.

Which is exactly what RVS is for. The entire purpose of RVS is to "get the game moving."

And your votes are really weak. It's okay to have asinine or weak reasoning for votes, in RVS.

Outside of RVS? Nope.

[Whiskers]

I unvoted my RVS2 vote. At least, I tried to. I did when you pointed out that I hadn't.

I'm reading the treatise you linked. My opinion on you changes now, as I understand what you're trying to do. Going to read more.

[Whiskers]

Yeah, and now I understand where you're coming from.

I started playing Mafia not understanding RVS, then liking it, then hating it, now I'm at a point where I don't really care-- Just let it happen, the game will eventually flow out of it.

But I understand what you mean.

I am now officially out of RVS(2)

[Whiskers]

Vote: DonJosh

.
He's one of two players with only five posts, and the first of those two that I clicked on to check the ISO. I've played (in a marathon) with him before, so I should know him a little bit better than Mist.
He hasn't done anything this game. He's done quite a bit more than, say, kondi, but I'm going to let the mod take care of that.

Otolia, will you please punch kondi2424 in the face until he comes back to play?

Nevermind, it hasn't been enough time for a prod yet. Ugh.

saulres, do you really have a townread from kondi's only three-word post?

DonJosh, gotta brohoof you. Serial Killers are awesome (to play as). Do you have any reads, though?
saulres,

[Whiskers]

Yeah, Xalxe, I'd like your explanation for DonJosh.
I know marathon games are way different from normal games, that doesn't mean I don't know his personality at all. I know his personality more than I know Mist's personality, since I've never interacted with her before.

[Whiskers]

saulres- does the research, cares about the game, is active, etc.
DonJosh- similar reasons, but I like saulres better.

Let's start here:
Um, what? DonJosh is a townread for similar reasons to saulres: he "does the research, cares about the game, is active, etc."
Is there an example of him having done any research?
What makes you think he "cares about the game" any more than any other player (except for Mist or maybe Kondi)?
DonJosh is active? O RLY? He's tied with Mist for second-to-least amount of posts.

Actually it was serious. To explain, "trying out a new style" can be an excuse to avoid comparisons to previous town-meta. It's not much, but it's early. With my townread posts I felt we were out of RVS but still in RQS, so... yeah.

Why are you trying to avoid comparisons to prior town meta?

He isn't, your conf-town read DonJosh is. I expect you to promptly ignore this bit now that you realize it's against him.

Why do you call those players weaker than the rest of us?

:goodposting:

I'd like to hear the answer to this as well[/quote]
Interesting is that my "taking the game seriously" is a scumtell, and my activity apparently counts for nothing. Double standard?

However, your scumread on Whiskers earns +town credl

Buddying. "You agree with me, you must be town."

Someone asked for reads. Here.
Xalxe - Overall friendliness, seems to be taking charge of scumhunting. Is pro-discussion
saulres - Pretty much same as above, but less scumhunting.
Cobblerfone - Pre-game research was good, but I always see scum doing RQS, so that docks some points. This puts him in null-zone.
kondi2424 - Overly-defensive. Null-scum, but mostly Null. Moar posting pl0x
Whiskers - Vote-hopping and clinging to unnecessary RVS arguments.

Mist isn't here cuz she's so null it's not even funny.

I'm pretty sure

I

asked for reads.
Xalxe-- I missed the overall friendlyness, maybe it's there? I don't really care, because it isn't a town-tell. I'm not sure he "takes charge of scumhunting," as Cobblerfone has been more productive in scumhunting.
Is there any single one of us that is NOT pro-discussion?
Where is kondi2424 overly-defensive? I'd like some evidence, please. His posting is fine for how far we are into the Day (not very). The only gripe I had was his posting frequency and that he has a history of "flaking" (which ultimately leads to being replaced). I won't go so far as Cobblerfone and say he's obvtown (I just plain don't see it), but he certainly doesn't look like scum and is playing well.

[Whiskers]

His questions at the beginning were useful, and looked good. they pertained to the players if not this specific game (unlike Mist's questions, which were the standard, "What timexzone are you in lol?"). Now, he is making reasonable accusations and using his posts fairly effectively.

Cobblerfone SHALL NOT be lynched, assuming he keeps up this good play.

[Whiskers]

Yeah. I'm not even fighting against your questions. My point here is that Xalxe or DonJosh are all cuddly together, saying that the other is so awesome, both reading Cobblerfone as Neutral/Null, for instance, when in fact Cobblerfone has been more useful to the town than either one of them.

[Whiskers]

I'm not sure I'd say it's too early, either, I've been ISOing everypony (Xalxe in particular) all game. I was ISOing you, about to make a case, when you posted your wonderful link that explained why you were playing the way you were playing.
Something fits with Cobblerfone. After a two-hour nap, I'm looking back over his ISO, and no, he hasn't been a big player. But I can hardly call him useless.
Mostly, his questions have been pointed and-- I don't know. He's playing the way I expect good town players to play. He hasn't provided much content, but I liked his bit on DonJosh.

His reads are more solid than yours, Saulres.

Xalxe or DonJosh are all cuddly together

Bullshit. He's being productive.

Bullshit. Xalxe, the only place DonJosh could be said to be "being productive" is in his sixth and most recent post, where he gives his reads. HE GIVES HIS READS AWAY FOR SILLY REASONS. For example, you are Soooooo town, because you're Pretty friendly! Way to go, Xalxe, you won him over with your charm, and turned into a townie!

Ah, and looking back I see that you (saulres) were referring to DonJosh's one post with content.
A saulres, why don't You go and Iso somepony, looking for tells?

[Whiskers]

And sometimes questions can be important no matter what the content...

What do you mean, exactly?

Maaaan, Mist, I hope that come the weekend, you'll be able to check in a little more frequently?

[Whiskers]

This game is slow.

...so contribute in an effort to fix that?

What? Man, fos on Xalxe, kondi has been the most active player ever. He's been soo helpful, man, wtf would we do without him, his fantastic reads, his amazing activity level? For god's sake, Xalxe, you may as well just give up now, only scum would dare to doubt kondi's GODLIKE utility.

This sarcasm thing is hard. Nevermind. I'll just go,

"^this"

[Whiskers]

4.

When do you get to post?

Hardly Ever. After school and Saturdays if I'm not doing stuff with friends.

[/quote][/quote]
Here is is, after school.
...Can you start posting now? I can understand you not wanting to live your whole life on MafiaScum (like I do), but, it's after school now. Tomorrow will be Saturday. Are you "doing stuff with friends"? Will you be able to come on, check in, and post substantially a couple of times tomorrow?

I'd also like more substantial posts today. You just throw out some stuff and when you get questioned on it, you say, "Whiiiiiine, I'm BUSYYYY!"

Now don't dare ignore the other questions, but once you've answered them (and only after you've answered them, please), why should I stop "vote-hopping"?

[Whiskers]

And sometimes questions can be important no matter what the content...

What do you mean, exactly?

This, mostly.

Then my question, please, unless you find more to answer instead.

[Whiskers]

Xalxe or DonJosh are all cuddly together

Bullshit. He's being productive.

Please support this statement.

[Whiskers]

4. Whenever I'm on my laptop, I have MS open. School starts September 6th so I'll be unavailable weekdays til 4:00.

It is not September 6th yet. Post something. Ask a question. Give a read. I'll look around to see if I can find another game of yours, but you're not doing anything.

Mist, post something with content.

[Whiskers]

This game is slow.

...so contribute in an effort to fix that?

Alright. I have a gut feeling that you are scum, and a townread on Mist based on that gut feeling of you.

I don't think you and Mist are on the same team based on interactions.

Cobbler is a townread, goodposting and contributes a lot. Whiskers needs to post

less

, but is null at the moment. DonJosh is hard to read and needs to post more. (as do I)

And I just noticed that me and Mist are both 13 and from Texas. O_o

I mostly agree with this.

I have a gut Nullscum on Xalxe, and a weaker gut nullscum on Mist. I'm pretty confident that they aren't on the same team-- Xalxe started out looking like he was bussing Mist, but then made it into a "serious vote" later.
I'm having trouble reading you, kondi, and DonJosh, because you aren't posting. However, in all one of DonJosh's posts, he looks scummy to me.

Saulres, you are playing with an agenda. Or something. You linked me to the RVS guide you were using, and it cleared a lot of the scummy things you were doing-- the case on me you were forcing so hard-- but playing well is not necessarily a town-tell.

So:

Xalxe

,

Mist

,

DonJosh

,

Kondi

,

Saulres

,

Cobblerfone

.

[Whiskers]

Yeah, the biggest problem with my playstyle seems to be my pacing. As in, I don't have any.

[Whiskers]

*wakes up*
I'm not sure.
I guess because it's only a gut nullscum on you, and it's a NULLscum, on you. DonJosh literally only has one post, and it's scummy.

Because there is so little evidence, the read on him is weaker that my gut-feelings on you two, but-- It's weaker, but more concrete. How do I explain this? It's not a gut read.

[Whiskers]

I don't think they're both on the same SCUM team. I can imagine them both as townies. If DonJosh ever posts again, I'll have more evidence, my read will strengthen.

Besides, I want him gone. Xalxe is active. If you read some of the games I've been lynched Day 1 in, if you kill the active players, the game activity drops. Pro-scum.

[Whiskers]

Okay, how about this: when she fakeclaims a PR, do we wait for a CC and lynch her anyway, or should we gat claim and lynch-- Actually, Mist, I'd say DON'T claim.

[Whiskers]

Nope, at this point, I am NOT voting for Mist. After a little thought, I think it'll be a good idea to not lynch her, especially not today.

[Whiskers]

Vote: Xalxe

Fucking stop sarcastically saying you're scum and brushing it away.

Mist claims being bad at playing town. She even claims she prefers to play scum. Well? She is playing poorly-- ie, according to town meta. Xalxe/DonJosh scumteam. I'm calling it right fucking now.

[Whiskers]

Oh no, I've been caught. Whatever shall I do.

(Yes, scum)

Completely un-fucking-necessary and he's trying to hide away a minor scumslip (which I would have ignored, it's usually the mafia, in most games) by mocking us and making bad jokes.

He admitted to being scum earlier, when I voted him and didn't give a reason. Again, completely unnecessary, just trying to make me feel bad or something because I shouldn't vote him.

You keep pushing Mist. Mist hasn't been scummy, only inactive. DonJosh has been far worse. You have a town-read on him, which is fucking broken.

[Whiskers]

Vote: Xalxe

Fucking stop sarcastically saying you're scum and brushing it away.

Mist claims being bad at playing town. She even claims she prefers to play scum. Well? She is playing poorly-- ie, according to town meta. Xalxe/DonJosh scumteam. I'm calling it right fucking now.

See, I would apologize for playing that way, but get used to it, it's how it works. I can play the trade insults game all fucking night if you want, but that won't get us ANYWHERE.

Now, you say you're not willing to lynch Mist, which is cute, but okay. If you aren't okay with that, why are you okay with lynching me, a far less accurate lynch? Remember, ONE mislynch and we're fucked. ONE.

Oops, you're wrong! TWO mislynches and we're fucked. TWO. I'm okay with lynching you because you are not town. I'm even better with lynching DonJosh (lurkers make me rage), but DonJosh will come later, when he's still lurking and being an all-around waste of space. He'll look pretty good for lynching after you flip scum, considering your blatant buddying of each other.

[Whiskers]

You guys, we can't lynch Xalxe if we don't vote for him.

[Whiskers]

Don't lynch today: Day 2, 6 players, 2 scum: Mislynch and lose. Don't lynch and get another day. That's MyLo. Our only useful PR would have had a 2 in 6 chance of getting a good result to share if they survive, a 0 chance of being the one mislynched, and a 1 in 5 chance of being NKed. And, 2 potential chances to make a correct hit.

Option two gives the scum a worse chance of removing the only real weapon we have, and another night to give that weapon a chance to be used successfully.

I'm really not seeing the downside to not lynching today.

This is right, actually.

Unvote.

Vote: No Lynch

It's dreadfully boring though.

Our night actions need to be coordinated-- Both PRs need to be investigating the same player at the same time, that way we can get a "Clear" on that player or a "guilty" on that player. How can we do that without revealing the PRs? This is my way of doing it:

We all go, "I did not get a guilty read on player X." Popcorn style. ToDay we will agree whom to investigate, then one of us will give our result. This will only out a player if that player gets a guilty.

Lets say we investigate our top scum read. We all declare our reads. If there is a guilty, the player will reveal that player as guilty. Since the player is already a top scum read, We will believe her and lynch her. She will flip scum. Then we look at the association between the flipped scum and the other players. We'll catch out second scum, game over.

How can this go wrong? Well, let's say s scum gives us a "guilty" read on a player-- we believe her, since the player we investigated was a top read, after all. No problem, I' have this covered. The REAL PR counter-claims. Then we have a pool of three players to lynch-- The Investigated, the Investigator, and the Counter Claim.
Here we either Lynch the Counter Claim and the Investigated, or we lynch the Investigaor (fake-claimer) and look for associations.

The plan is pretty uch fuck-proof, unless we get a PR killed N1.

[Whiskers]

The other flaw is if we clear a player N1, but then we still have a shot at hitting scum with our night-investigatio on N2.

[Whiskers]

Unvote

We need to decide who gets the investigation before we end the day.

[Whiskers]

So, fucking Unvote.
Scum would benefit majorly from a nolynch and non-directed PRs.

I, too, nominate Xalxe for an investigation... I'm curious about saulres, though. It'll have to wait.
Xalxe, whom do you think we should investigate toNight?

[Whiskers]

Good.
Xalxe, who would you investigate today, if you had your way?

DonJosh, would you be willing to settle for investigating Xalxe, and perhaps clearing him?
The only player left is Cobblerfone, who is V/LA until Monday.

Shall we wait for him, or just do it?
But we should definately wait for Xalxe.

Xalxe, don't feel too bad, This isn't for certain going to out you as scum (if you aren't scum, for example). In fact, it could clear you as a townie, since the best case scenario for scum is to NightKill you-- it takes away the dual-clears of our investigation and the our dead-player flip. If you are a Vanilla Townie, feel proud that you could take one for the team.
Brohoof, bro.

[preedit]
Okay, good.
We may end up doing mist later, depending on how things turn out tonight.

[Whiskers]

That's true, but I think it won't hurt us to wait for him and it might hurt us to not wait for him. I've seen some asshole brat layers, and while Cobblerfone doesn't sem to be one of those so far, I'd rather wait and have him bring up a concrn or an argument and we talk it out, than him just saying, "No that's a bullshit move" during the night and deciding to not go along with it. We pretty much need a full consensus, because if one of us disagrees, it fucks th whole system. (And they should be lynched as scum, for their anti-town play.)

[Whiskers]

Worst case scenario, we get one result-- actually, worst case scenario, we get one result and that scummy player was the cop or something. Best case scenario, we get a confirmed scum/clear and the scum kills a scummy VT. (That's not likely though)

Now, I know you want to maximixze results, but look at it this way--
If each PR investigates their top scumread (different reads), then maybe one of them is scum but maybe they are the wrong role to catch it. We need to organize so we can effectively clear/conf one player before one of the PRs is taken out.

The whole mass-report thing later is to keep our PRs hidden.


I really think it's important to be organized here, as a random investigation will our PRs and not ever clear a player, only Catch them as scum (as only then as a lucky break). Furthermore, if PRs do randomm investigations, and one of them dies, we will be stuck without that player's result.
FURTHERMORE, random investigations allows scum to fakeclaim. My plan does not.

Look, either we get 2, or we get 1. That's better than getting 1 or 0.

Give me a little bit, I've just confused myself too. BBL.
This setup is excellent, we can't break it, but it's possible to win.

[Whiskers]

Yep.
Xalxe, if you don't post by the time Cobblerfone comes back, I'll suggest that we instead forgo this whole thing, lynch you now, and carry on our plan tomorrow (with five players and only one scum).

[Whiskers]

saulres, while we wait for cobblerfone, do you agree that we should lynch Xalxe, should he not come back within a reasonable time, instead of following through with the plan?

[Whiskers]

I've been thinking, the only reason I could come up with is if you think he's scum and want him to out himself by arguing with this fairly brilliant plan.

[Whiskers]

Yeah, maybe.
But he has no good reason not to post. His activity in this game was good previous to the nolynch scenario. We can still no lynch instead.

My complaint is that:
He came on yesterday to play his silly non-mafia games.
He had plenty of time to read and post here.
He didn't.

I'm giving him today to post before I start pushing his lynch anyway. All I can figure is that he's some kind of uncooperative scum that wants to stall and confuse us.

[Whiskers]

OHAI there. So we're lynching me because...why now? Not really getting it.

But at any rate, the No Lynch plan sounded way more solid, and I liked the plan of agreeing upon who should be investigated until somebody brought up the idea of "well then scum kills them."

It's an interesting idea, but I don't think that would happen personally. I would try to hunt down a PR rather than kill off a confirmable/future confirmed townie, thought of course that's all WIFOM. But hey, obviously you are doing a wonderful job of ignoring my plans, so...yeah.

I'd vote No Lynch right now, but I'm not sure if that would end the day at this point.

We're wlynching you because you came on yesterday and didn't post, when we were having an activity spike. You did come back, and while you may be scum, you may not be. But we're not lynching you anyway.

I actually agree, and I know that if I were scum, I'd be shooting for whomever I suspected as power roles. The most

sure

course of action would be to kill the confirmed townie, especially since it's you-- Talkative and therefore dangerous.

Go ahead and vote if you want, I don't think it will end the Day-- I'm waiting for Cobblerfone to come in with a confirm or an objection to the plan.

[Preedit]
So Xalxe: We should Decide who we will all investigate, and then No Lynch. Correct?

[Whiskers]

Excellent. Now we wait for Cobblerfone, he's supposed to come in today.

[Whiskers]

I know, but I'd really rather not take any chances.
Look, there is nopony that wants a bloodbath more than me, but this is really cool and I think we can pull this out in a win if we play our cards right.

All I need is an "okay" from Cobblerfone and We'll do it.

Xalxe, in case you are an investigative role, investigate whomever you want, but don't tell us the result until you are forced to claim. I've set this up so our Power Roles stay hidden, and if you are one, I think it works best that you stay hidden too.

[Whiskers]

I'm still having problems with doing the first set of reveals tomorrow. If we hit scum, that means we're sacrificing our effective PR in exchange for that scum, and not giving the PR a chance to find another one, ever.

But if we do go ahead with it, we have to be clear: Xalxe is the one to be investigated tonight? I don't remember seeing that specifically decided on yet; I thought Mist was also up for investigation.

Starting from the bottom: Yes, at least, that's what I understood. The only pony who didn't want that (who said anything, at least) was DonJosh, and he's up for a Xalxe-vestigation anyway.

Now:
There's already a good chance our PR will die N1. If we hit scum then we're trading a PR for a Scum. Depending on how CCs go, we might get two scum.

Now. If there is a guilty, we COULD leave it and NoLynch again the next night. But this gives the scum two shots to take out our effective PR, and that would leave us with NO information. There's probably some math I could do, but my brain isn't up to it right now and it isn't necessary.

If we get a guilty and there is no CC or anything, then we've traded our PR for a scum and we can find the other scum (easily) via hunting. Town wins.

[Whiskers]

saulres, you jump up in suspicion. So much.
By trying to disarm the plan. However, I thought for a few minutes and it makes sense that we would want all the kinks worked out beforehand.

I'll say this: It's not a fool-proof plan. Town can still very easily lose, even if we Catch a scum N1 and no PR dies. But I think it skyrockets our chance of winning.

[Whiskers]

Yeah, I don't think we can clear any PR until they either 1: die or 2: are CC'd and the CCer flips scum

Also, it's only 25% chance of NKing an effective PR

IF

they shoot randomly. For example, I already know who both PRs are.

[Whiskers]

Okay, let me rephrase that: I

think

I know who both of them are.

Xalxe: Why? You get scum reads, you get town reads. Sometimes you pick up on a player being not just a VT. I haven't done any rolefishing, I haven't been actively searching the PR, as such, but I put my vote on you, ultimately, because you are scummy AND I'm pretty confident you're not a PR.

[Whiskers]

Actually, if you ARE a PR, toNight's investigation won't do you any good (for clearing you). If you get a guilty, save it until later that Day (2) or perhaps until Day 3, if you think you can risk living that long.

What I'm really hoping is that you're scum and we catch ya.

Since we're just waiting for Cobblerfone right now, What happened yesterday, Xalxe, that you never came on and posted for us?

[Whiskers]

*facehoof* Yeah. I don't know what I was thinking.

What? What ragefest?
*goes back to look*

[Whiskers]

Okay-- fair enough.

Hey, did you ever tell who you would want to investigate?

Whether or not you are really a PR, you should have an investigative target-- That's the first player who will reveal their result.

[Whiskers]

@Xalxe: if the player dies, you simply don't claim. If you ARE a PR, then you've outted yourself, but can't be cleared. If you are NOT a PR (but still a townie), then you've no reason to do this. If you are Scum, then the real PR will CC and we will lynch you for scum.

In fact, if the player stays alive, you don't claim anyway.

@saulres: BECAUSE he doesn't claim, unless we decide he needs to, there's really no reason to NK the secondary investigate target. Scum will (likely) kill whomever they think is the PR.

If they DO kill Xalxe, we will use that piece of information in our scumhunting. We will not base our entire case on something that is WIFOM, but We will not necessarily discount it either. Just because something is subject to WIFOM does not mean it is not a tell. It is still information, information that I wish to have. If you guys think it's a bad idea, it's not necessary.

Case-by-case basis. We'll see what happens, then we'll analyze.
Remember, unless we get a guilty tomorrow with no CC, we'll have a whole other Day to decide who to investigate, a whole other Night to investigate them, and a whole THIRD Day to find and lynch our scum.

The worst case scenario to this is the same as the originial, "NoLynch Twice" plan-- you lose two townies, and probably gain no information.

[Whiskers]

If you've got a better plan, I'll hear it.

[Whiskers]

I'll take that as a No.

Cobblerfone, you'd better fucking make this work. You had better not digress from this plan. I will lynch you all Day long if I find out that you shat on this perfect plan. Since you're only doing one post a day, apparently, Maybe you can come back tomorrow and hammer the No Lynch, if it hasn't been done already?
I'm growing impatient. Hurry the Fxcks up and do your townie job already.

Vote: No Lynch

[Whiskers]

Damnit cobblerfone, you had better not fuck me over.

[Whiskers]

Or so help me, god, I will find you and load ants into your nose.

[Whiskers]

The ghost of Whiskers, that silly, pink-marshmallow-pony-riding cat, drifted around the confines of the small place.

"Oh man, I will be so pissed if we lose,"

it said, stroking its whiskers with a paw.

But I have to say, you did an excellent job of rat-hunting, and you stuck very well to my EXCELLENT plan."

[Whiskers]

What. What. What.


What.





What.

[Whiskers]

Sorry, let me rephrase that:

What.

[Whiskers]

Mist, you were so obv seer...

[Whiskers]

I don't want to be judgmental but most of you are bad mafia players. While Whiskers and Xalxe played relatively well during D1, the rest of you were pretty good.

Outright contradicting yourself?

Vote: Otolia

[Whiskers]

I'm confused, though. You called out Xalxe and me, specifically, and said we played relatively well, and that all of us played well, but that we were bad players. Most of us.

Who are you saying is a bad player?
Xalxe and I played well relative to what?
Did we play well for bad players? Or did we just play well? If the latter, why are you calling us bad?

[Whiskers]

"Town played too fast" is probably an appropriate word. I had the same feeling too.

Hey, Just wanted to ask DonJosh and Xalxe, why did you NK me Night 1? Was my softclaim really that convincing?

[Whiskers]

Wait, what?
Oh.. O--
GOD DAMN IT ALL.