Open 402 -- Hard Boiled (Game Over!)

[andrew94]

My first thought when i read post 1, is that venmar seems to try hard to be neutral
' its not mandatory for you to answer' and 'again you dont have to answer'
It seems he doenst wanna 'piss' anyone off, i.e. playing as scum


I agree with llama's logic of tracker> vig, however you are missing one important point.
The whole point of the vig is to take matters into your own hands.
Trying to lynch someone but everyone wont listen? bam!


@ Lowman huh?
@ Venmar huh? argument invalid = hes scum? what???


BK is rolefishing
Bk is backtracking

@ Argula awww

@ Llama HOw did he approach the tracker/vig thing from town POV. I see that post as rolefishing. You however, are approaching it from a town POV.


kassadin as always...

vote Venmar

[andrew94]

also, as the vig you may confuse our detective/psychologist. Tracker is a great role anyways.

This one You talk about 2 different roles.
Using your logic, lets see the probilities

assuming townie lynch day 1-
12 ppl left
- detective 1/12 chance of checking scum who killed, 1/12 chance of checking vig that killed

-phychologist 2/12 chance of checking scum who didnt kill, 0 % chance of checking vig that didnt kill (vig will kill right..)

So there, i see your post as trying to figure out whether its the detective or phychologist, and who it is.




Why is rainbowdash female....


kassadin has one dimensional logic, but i think it does make sense. WHy keep reinforcing?
TEchnowc's analysis is great to me.

Bk continues to argue, seems like hes scum that doesnt wanna let go otherwise he looks scummy

[andrew94]

@mod,

v/la 1-2days due to test

[andrew94]

@BK, its what I think your doing. Talking too much about it is bad
As for your second question, refer to tech’s post 80.
For your post 146, kass got night killed so… (that end was finished)

@Tech, what is Bk’s ‘style’
@ Argula Notice how Venmar says ‘yea, why are you guys..’ This is heavy buddying here

@Venmar your post 125, about thomith. Did he not say earlier that he was placing an fos until a votecount came? You even said ‘ok’. He then voted later on.

@kassadin, rasp you guys r trolls

@llama , why is that question not a PM to the mod?

My Vote is staying.

[andrew94]

venmar's random question post seem to not want to alienate or 'piss' anyone off
seemed like careful scum there.


he sheeps several moves like
-Yeah, why are you really arguing with me Thomith?
and
-Why are you voting for me?
when someone else already asked the question.

If lowman is avoiding this game, then... doesnt that mean that hes scum lurking?



@ thomith, why did u ask that question. Is it not obvious that they are trolls?
kassadin even said 'yes'

tech is more towny

and argula, pot kettle

[andrew94]

i didnt get a prod but im still here!!!

[andrew94]

i didnt get a prod but im still here!!!

Why don't you post something constructive then? Any comments on Bw, Thomith, Venmar, BK's claim, Tech, or the alliance?

i made that post so i dont get prodded? im busy atm
also look at your posts


pot kettle black

[andrew94]

well tech, how goes the iso.

i didnt say thomith was sheeping. i was saying Venmar was sheeping. the quotes that i posted were when someone else already said something similar



I also dont believe meta..

even though kass admitted they were a troll, they usually still give reasons and play at least a little, do you say we just ignore them all game because they are a troll andrew?

Where did i say we should just ignore them all day. i was basically saying, if they had reasons they would have posted it already.
instead of just voting

tech is looking town for post 215 but then post 233 is over cautious. i dont believe that he would not have thought of that. obviously the real one would counter...

thomith post 221 looks like scum


and the plan is assuming the tracker picks tracker...



argula is scum due to gut.

BK's claim- if not1 cc i believe
Tech- reaching null now
Venmar- scummy
Thomith- scummy
Bw - i dont even know he existed. he posts way too low, null.
alliance- only ppl i like in alliance is prob nacho and kassadin and bk if he doesnt get cc
. everyone else is meh

[andrew94]

@ bk, why dcl is town. he replaced in, made a replacement post. it was detailed, so its town? i see no logic there.



arugula post 254... my god that scummy post.


@bk what scummy legit things have u seen venmar do?


argula post 268
either 1) telling his scumbuddies to hammer
or 2) stating obvious

@llama, what sheenanigans. a quickhammer? then we can lynch the quickhammerer..


@ venmar how have i NOT explained my suspisions on you. simply Iso me.

ok for my post
-i said argula gut. how do i explain that sir?

@technowc okay. DO you think that your not thinking of counterclaim looks scummy?

I think venmar is more likely scum. please read my iso as well...

[andrew94]

llama, explain.

[andrew94]

llama, explain.

Your recent post seems to heavily suggest that you think Thomith is town, yet you are calling him scummy. Plus your stance on Venmar seems a little contrived or something, just not right.

Suggest as in "Arugula telling buddies to hammer" when for Thomith scum + Aruglua + plural there would be four scum
Suggest as in "lynch a quickhammer" when lynching somepony who quickhammers scum is rare

How does my post think thomith is town.
what the hell is contrived.

i have many scum suspects............
if u think the person you are voting is scum, why did you unvote to prevent 'shregans'.
your inconsistant there.

ill reply to venmar when i get home

[andrew94]

Well llama, you stated sheenanigans as your reason of unvoting

therefore

YOU THINK THAT THOMITH IS TOWN AS WELL. long before he claimed
Vt.
I was responding to your post and querying what sheenanigans could happen

I listed an example- a quickhammer. I assumed that if someone quickhammered
Thomith town, we would then lynch the quickhammer. There is no reason for you to
unvote due to 'sheenanigans'. I for one, never believe any 'OH SHIT I DIDNT REALISE I HAMMERED' claims.


ok tech looks town again.

@Venmar, you agree that you are 'dioplomatic'. Why the hell would you care
about pissing anyone off, unless you are scum
YOur post 167 is NOT enough. It has already been said that he will vote when a votecount comes
YOU voted him anyway.

post 185, the main part of it was that you were sheeping.. you just
basically said 'yea this guy defended me im just gonna use that line'.

You apparently think that i have a bad case on you, so that means im your 2nd suspect, which means you vote for me over your first suspect? YOu also only asked me questions and have no solid case on me aside from you thinking that my case is shit
logic? voting 2nd > 1st?



oh btw looks at Bw's vote..




FOUR scum suspects, not FOUR scum members. If i list three, i would expect all three to be right, and since thats really hard, i can list more than three...
how is it not obvious
1) should thomith claim - OH DERP HE WONT CLAIM YEA
2) no shit kasss rasp or even bw might hammer, they're trolls.
and im using text language so yea, dont attack the person, attack the argument please.

argula more sheeping....
Argula, you feel uneasy at how this thomith wagon came up so quickly?
LOL?

Thomith (5) -- BK201, DCLXVI, TeChNoWC, Venmar, Lowman
bk- 'alliance'
dcl - 'so called alliance'
tech - ' so called alliance'
venmar - not in alliance i hope but someone (tech i think) wants him in
lowman - guy that placed him on L1
Llama- 'so called alliance' voted him earlier then unvoted (so i counted him)
argula- says he doesnt wanna vote yet etc etc (so i counted him)

ok so bk, dcl, tech , llama are in the 'alliance'
argula agrees with alliance.
SO THE ALLIANCE MADE THIS WAGON. ??? YOUR UNEASY ABOUT HOW THE WAGON CAME When the 'alliance' rolled it?




Kassadin directly says Thomith is town....

[andrew94]

The "alliance" is me, Llama, Nachomamma, and Venmar AFAIK, so right off the bat you are wrong. (Tech maybe, DCL just joined, so no) And you counted two people (Llama and I) who aren't even voting for him. Your argument is wrong.

Also, I'm asking you to stop using text language, I'm not attacking you. It just makes it easier to read.

I was asking if Thomith should claim yet, not if he should claim at all. Don't twist my words. And now you are assuming that the trolls are scum?

Lastly, I was more worried about how LowMan and BW just sheeped with no reasoning. That's what worried me the most. I'm not concerned about Kass or rasp hammering, as Kass thinks Thomith is town and rasp said he is voting for the scummiest player, (which I guess is not Thomith).

You are trying to make arguments out of nothing and they don't make sense.

VOTE: andrew94

ok so the guy that claimed hider isnt in your alliance? lmao
-LEARN TO READ PLEASE. I SAID 'LLAMA VOTED EARLIER , THEN UNVOTED, SO I COUNT THAT AS A WILLINGLYNESS TO LYNCH' AND 'ARGULA SAYS HJE DOESNT WANNA VOTE YET SO I COUNTED HIM AS WELL AS A WILLINGNESS TO VOTE
WHY ARE YOU PURPOSELY IGNORING IT.

-lol why would you ask about the claim thing. from my point of view, you basically said
'i wanna vote him but i dont want trolls to hammer, oh and claim'
i never said all trolls were scum
hey argula, guess what, i would pick vig just to shoot your ass (if im that. (NOBODY REPLY TO THIS)). your dead scum to me now, too bad no1's listening


@llama i even said dcl isnt town for just making a catchup post, read my iso
i thought he was in alliance for some reason

well i read somewhere that someone said venma should be in alliance...


-about the quickhammer thing, as i said if someone quickhammers, that guy gets lynched the next day.
and if thomith is scum, well then....



@nacho yea venmar is just sheeping llama. no such thing as coincidence..


@tech i may have made mistake about you being in it

Unvote

- I am somewhat willing to believe Thomith is an actual VT. Everyone else should at least unvote as well if they believe this. I am not in favor of any hammering at the moment, we do have a claim and it in no way seems to scream scum. Instead, i will take my vote off of him and place it on my second scummiest player ( after BwBurke ).

Vote: Andrew94

My first was and probably still is Thomith. Not going for him because i can potentially believe in his claim.

anyone spot the inconsistancy?






ok new scum list

-venmar
-argula


maybe scum
-llama
-thomith
town
-tech

[andrew94]

Frustration and attitude are never good signs, Andrew.

My vote stays because Andrew has now become number 1 on my list, surpassing Thomith.

Okay. You have an inconsistancy. first u say bbw is no1, and im no2
then u say no1 is thomith

so what happened to bbw?
You do not respond to my things, and you make some crap up , e.g. frustation are never good signs.
Ok so you never been frustrated before?

[andrew94]

Unvote, Vote: Andrew94

hey llama, now you know why vig is good?

[andrew94]

besides i have no idea why u claimed hider in the first place

1) you were under no presure
2) your making it so that the tracker has to track you, so the mafia can just kill whatever

Now that its done however, a tracker would be a good pick. However it was a frustation post.

[andrew94]

- i sense llama may be trying to get more claims out of more people
the claim vt thing = town doesnt make sense, and he said that, and wagoned bwb to L1, wanting ANOTHER claim.

[andrew94]

HAve you brought this reasoning out before
IF So if im scum with you in the future, ill claim VT at L1 and you will pull that reasoning out again?

Also, your saying i dont give reads. really?
Dont insult me by putting me in the same category as bwb/lm

[andrew94]

-venmar buddies with at least 3 people (one of them you)
(he keeps saying its a coincidence)
-venmar is too diplomatic in his first post

-venmar post 305 says that im his number 2 suspect, after bbw
venmar post 315 says that his first is thomith
venmar 319 says that i am now number 1 on his list, surpassing th omith.

bbw completely disappered.
he votes me without much case on me.
and you obviously dont even read my posts

[andrew94]

edit: you use it since 2009, so some people would know it, hence they could claim VT at L1.
anyway, im just saying your logic isnt right and wouldnt work more than 50% of the time. (i pulled number out of my ass)

[andrew94]

-venmar buddies with at least 3 people (one of them you)
(he keeps saying its a coincidence)
-venmar is too diplomatic in his first post

-venmar post 305 says that im his number 2 suspect, after bbw
venmar post 315 says that his first is thomith
venmar 319 says that i am now number 1 on his list, surpassing th omith.

Buddying - Not an alignment tell really. I will definantly buddy with players as town and scum when it benifits me.
Diplomatic - Not a tell, definantly a good leadership trait for the game.
Other thing - How is this a tell?

bbw completely disappered.
he votes me without much case on me.
and you obviously dont even read my posts

I can read them, I just dont understand them

"bbw disappeared"

Thought process - Ok... I think he means BwB, and is this him saying he is lurking and thats a scum tell? Is it a blanket lurking accusation or in response to something in specific?

"he votes me..."

Wow thats some tense butchering. So he is complaining that BwB voted him without making a case, but why is he complaining about that when BwB voted quite a few other players without actually giving cases as well? Is this his way of saying that he thinks BwB is scum?

So yes, your posts are very hard to understand when they read like they are written as text messages from some freshman high school student (which given your username... may be about the case)

@andrew - What is your read on Thomith?

also lol claim

-i was talking about bbw disappering from venmar's scum list. Please stop purposely misrepping my posts.
i was also talking about venmar voting me
-and yea you obviously DONT get my posts.

its not just buddying as in sheeping. he USES other people's reasons as hes own and sometimes even uses their statements outright/

[andrew94]

@thomith post 384, thats why im not impressed when he throws that bit of logic at me
-i.e. claim vt= town

llama, answer my answer to your misrep. ignoring it is not looking good for you.

[andrew94]

LlamaFLuff post 396

first point- fair enough.
My point still stands that you want more claims before the day ends.


about your second point,

Firsly, i dont have an alt that has a gender: female

Secondly, i have a question. and you didnt even answer the specific one i wanted you to answer


READ my post 354 AGAIN. THE WHOLE THING IS ONE POST. When you quoted me, you seperated my post and
answered it individually.
SO let me explain AGAIN.
I meant that bbw disappered from venmar's scumlist
i wasnt impressed when you said 'Thought process - Ok... I think he means BwB, and is this him saying he is lurking and thats a scum tell? Is it a blanket lurking accusation or in response to something in specific?'

AND then, you said 'Wow thats some tense butchering. So he is complaining that BwB voted him without making a case, but why is he complaining about that when BwB voted quite a few other players without actually giving cases as well? Is this his way of saying that he thinks BwB is scum?'

holy shit? i was saying Venmar voted me, not bbw voted me.


I dont know how much more clearer i can make this.
Also, i played a game with you before where you were scum, gonna go read that up real quick.

Never said Bw was number 1. Always number 3, you number 2, thomith number 1. Your recent actions made me switch you with thomith.
How about you go shove your words up your ass?

Unvote

- I am somewhat willing to believe Thomith is an actual VT. Everyone else should at least unvote as well if they believe this. I am not in favor of any hammering at the moment, we do have a claim and it in no way seems to scream scum.

Instead, i will take my vote off of him and place it on my second scummiest player ( after BwBurke ).

Vote: Andrew94

How about you go shove your words up your ass you lying scum?


list of sheep
-llama says vt claim = town. Venmar says he is willing to believe thomith is an Vt. he unvotes

- argula basically says you guys shouldnt argue with Venmar because he calms the town down.
Venmar says 'YEAH why are you guys arguing with me'
-argula says 'why' in response to bw's vote on venmar.
venmar says 'why are you voting for me' (this part is minor in comparison to the above)

Venmar's reponse to some of my accusations are

-post 286 I will admit i did look very diplomatic there
-post 312 It is making me look worse, but it is up to you to believe me on this or not.
he also says
-post 187 I personally always feel like my personality tends to be very chatty and curious, and that sometimes makes me look scummy (minor)


scum are
venmar, argula ,(maybe llama)

[andrew94]

similaries in play

-llama pushs me as scum when hes scum since im easy target, eventually unvoting me and voting some other guy near the deadline
-llama talks about the setup a lot when hes scum in that game
-llama misreps me a lot in that game. For example, he said that we had a deadline lynch on day 1, when in reality we ended up with a no lynch


only thing that points to llama being town is that
when i said llama was scum the whole time, he tured out scum. the only reason he was not lynched was because everyone was lurking day 2, and he replaced in and made everyone do stuff

IN this game
- only a couple of lurkers, and you dont really try to get them to do stuff. so yea.




more other stuff
- llama acts town to most of the people in the game when hes scum
- llama even says hes unlynchable when hes scum (and in this game u guys are showing no interest in voting him, only sheeping him)

anyway, its game 312 if anyone's interested in looking at it.

[andrew94]

Respond to post 397 (stuff above the first quote)

and no i dont get lynched in most of my games. i would say less than 25%. Go check or something.

[andrew94]

Llama, answer my question first. YOu have been avoiding it (again)


i wont answer any more of your questions until you do so. Since you just answer my answers to your questions instead of answering mine.

[andrew94]

Secondly, i have a question. and you didnt even answer the specific one i wanted you to answer


READ my post 354 AGAIN. THE WHOLE THING IS ONE POST. When you quoted me, you seperated my post and
answered it individually.
SO let me explain AGAIN.
I meant that bbw disappered from venmar's scumlist
i wasnt impressed when you said 'Thought process - Ok... I think he means BwB, and is this him saying he is lurking and thats a scum tell? Is it a blanket lurking accusation or in response to something in specific?'

AND then, you said 'Wow thats some tense butchering. So he is complaining that BwB voted him without making a case, but why is he complaining about that when BwB voted quite a few other players without actually giving cases as well? Is this his way of saying that he thinks BwB is scum?'

holy shit? i was saying Venmar voted me, not bbw voted me.


why did u misrep me

I dont know how much more clearer i can make this.

[andrew94]

oh, theres a ? after 'why did u misrep me'

[andrew94]

Never said Bw was number 1. Always number 3, you number 2, thomith number 1. Your recent actions made me switch you with thomith.
How about you go shove your words up your ass?

Unvote

- I am somewhat willing to believe Thomith is an actual VT. Everyone else should at least unvote as well if they believe this. I am not in favor of any hammering at the moment, we do have a claim and it in no way seems to scream scum.

Instead, i will take my vote off of him and place it on my second scummiest player ( after BwBurke ).

Vote: Andrew94

read the second quote.
you said you would place your vote on your second scummiest player. (which is me since you voted me)
AFTER BWBURKE- so bwburke is your 1st scummiest player.

now read the first quote.
'NEVER SAID BBW WAS FIRST'

so your lying. and misrepping me heavily.
@tech, your town to me, so go read the responses of venmar towards my responses. i have made it loud and clear where he lied and then misrep'ed me, then avoiding my question. hopefully this should make venmar no longer null to you

[andrew94]

Oh alright llama, you want quotes is it?
here it is
now dont say you cant understand it.
i will even

BOLD

my questions after the quotes.
IF you still cant read it, you are blind.

bbw completely disappered.
he votes me without much case on me.
and you obviously dont even read my posts

I can read them, I just dont understand them

"bbw disappeared"

Thought process - Ok... I think he means BwB, and is this him saying he is lurking and thats a scum tell? Is it a blanket lurking accusation or in response to something in specific?

"he votes me..."

Wow thats some tense butchering. So he is complaining that BwB voted him without making a case, but why is he complaining about that when BwB voted quite a few other players without actually giving cases as well? Is this his way of saying that he thinks BwB is scum?

So yes, your posts are very hard to understand when they read like they are written as text messages from some freshman high school student (which given your username... may be about the case)

@andrew - What is your read on Thomith?

also lol claim

"bbw disappeared"

Thought process - Ok... I think he means BwB, and is this him saying he is lurking and thats a scum tell? Is it a blanket lurking accusation or in response to something in specific?

Nope, im saying bbw disappeared from venmar's scumlist.
YOu can also refer to my previous post where i have quotes.

he votes me..."

Wow thats some tense butchering. So he is complaining that BwB voted him without making a case, but why is he complaining about that when BwB voted quite a few other players without actually giving cases as well? Is this his way of saying that he thinks BwB is scum?

Nope, im saying Venmar voted me at that point of time, with crappy reasoning


QUESTION

WHY DID YOU MISREP ME?

<-- QUESTION 1
I SAID BBW DISAPPERED FROM VENMAR'S SCUM LIST. I WAS TALKING
ABOUT VENMAR IN MY WHOLE POST

WHY DID U SEPERATE MY POST INTO 2, THEN MISREP ME?

<-- QUESTION 2
I WAS TALKING ABOUT VENMAR IN MY ENTIRE POST.

i saw your response to my post where i checked up your past game, but you cant read the post above with my questions?

<-- question 3

[andrew94]

Sorry for triple post, but i didnt want to confuse Llama by talking to him and someone else in the same post

@TECh
ok, tech a bit more work for you to do.


check out llama's posts, check out how long he has been avoiding
my question for. TO make your work easier, i have highlighted the post numbers


- post 396 avoids and calls me a high school girl when he has an alt with gender: female ironic...

- post 399 he answers my post directly comparing two games but he completely ignores my original question

- post 401 ignores again. Im not asking LLAma to see my venmar case, i am asking him why hes misrepping me.

- post 406 ignores again

- post 413 (at the bottom) ignores again

Now lets see how he responds.
hint: saying 'oh your posts are hard to read, thats why i misrep'ed you' isnt gonna cut it.

[andrew94]

Well now that you know what i am saying, how about you look at venmar's scumminess from denying that he ever said bbw was 1st on his scum list. (my post 419) <-- NOT A QUESTION.

[quote="In post 421, andrew94hint: saying 'oh your posts are hard to read, thats why i misrep'ed you' isnt gonna cut it.[/quote]
Because thats basically what you said.
My whole post was meant to be read together, but you seperated them out and answered them individually. That is not my fault. You stink of scum trying to do some analysis.
Go back and read your own iso (the last few posts). All of them are just mostly fluff saying that i should post it in a better form. <-- NOT A QUESTION



Oh and, Where did i post loaded questions? <--- QUESTION 1

[andrew94]

Oh and, Where did i post loaded questions?

Every single question that contains "why did you misrep me?" is a loaded question. Which is most of your questions.

Also yes im going to complain a lot about you not being easy to understand when you continue to complain that I am not answering your questions. You cant even start to say that I havent done much though this game, because im pretty sure ive done more than most everyone else in this game.

What have you done? Mostly complain that im not answering your questions and put up stuff that everyone ignores because its a mess of an attempt at a case. Use my format and make a case, try approaching things in a new direction or just do something else.

I should have just passed over this game when I saw you in it but its a good setup. I wish you were scummy here so I could just get you killed and move on, and apparently im not the only one feeling like that at this point.

Also if you are going to be trying to get venmar lynched... try and get me lynched instead because im fairly sure he is town but more sure that I can actually defend myself against pure noise than he can.

Well firsly, you did misrep me. I pointed out that you divided my post and probably did it on purpose. You continue to say that i post badly, so..
you probably DID do it on purpose.


DId you just say you did the most in this game? i recall thats what you said in the game i showed earlier. AND YOU WERE SCUM in that game. (who pointed out that he did the most)


oh and i hate using quotes mainly because the format keeps f'ing up sometimes, i gotta preview 5x and change it.


attacking my skill as a player wont cut it. Far more people will say that i am above average than below. In fact, you are saying that i am worse than
kassadin, bbw, lowman etc.


You wish i was scummy? Does that mean im not scummy?

And i probably cant get you lynched due to the fact or the blindness of the people + a couple of trolls.

[andrew94]

Something to note: Venmar uses an appeal.

and he still doesnt reply to my CLEAR post (with quotes) to where he lied.

Ultimation: answer or face my wrath

[andrew94]

Im not suggesting anything, but you are rolefishing.
now answer the question.


@tech, if i die, go for scums to lynch.
i doubt the trolls will listen, but at least you can try.

[andrew94]

Shut up already. Your posts are in the format of texts, they are disjointed, they don't make sense, and they are hard to understand. I don't blame Llama or Venmar for not responding to you because you are unintelligible. God damn.

Why are you trying to shut up discussion?
we can talk until the lynch scene.

[andrew94]

Shut up already. Your posts are in the format of texts, they are disjointed, they don't make sense, and they are hard to understand. I don't blame Llama or Venmar for not responding to you because you are unintelligible. God damn.

Why are you trying to shut up discussion?
we can talk until the lynch scene.

Why are you misrepping Arugula?

hes telling me to shut up.
thats cutting up discussion

[andrew94]

You are giving me reasons to rolefish.

Andrew. Ask me the question again, i could not find it in your very confusing posts.

Heres how you write your posts:

It is very hard
to understand what you
are saying
when every line
in your post is a
god damn different
thing like how i am
writting right now.

Thats because i type in notepad.
When i make a reply in mafiascum, the scroll thing keeps going up and down like crazy so i cant input anything there.




Here is the post:

Never said Bw was number 1. Always number 3, you number 2, thomith number 1. Your recent actions made me switch you with thomith.
How about you go shove your words up your ass?

Unvote

- I am somewhat willing to believe Thomith is an actual VT. Everyone else should at least unvote as well if they believe this. I am not in favor of any hammering at the moment, we do have a claim and it in no way seems to scream scum.

Instead, i will take my vote off of him and place it on my second scummiest player ( after BwBurke ).

Vote: Andrew94

read the second quote.
you said you would place your vote on your second scummiest player. (which is me since you voted me)
AFTER BWBURKE- so bwburke is your 1st scummiest player.

now read the first quote.
'NEVER SAID BBW WAS FIRST'

so your lying. and misrepping me heavily.
@tech, your town to me, so go read the responses of venmar towards my responses. i have made it loud and clear where he lied and then misrep'ed me, then avoiding my question. hopefully this should make venmar no longer null to you

it is also part of the reason i hate quotes since i have to mmanually copy and paste stuff into notepad

[andrew94]

edit: it was happening as i was copying and pasting the above.

@argula, do you think i am scum or not.

[andrew94]

When you click reply, you have a box under your reply box, there you see what everyone else has been writing. There beside each post is a quote button, it instantly adds that persons post as a quote where your cursor is in the reply box. This should make quoting recent posts really easy, and cutting up quotes easier as you just click the quote button as many times as needed and edit those out to the points you wish to address.

Why do you have to write everything in notepad? Why not use google docs for example?

I am aware of that, however the moment the space in the initial box is filled, and i have to scroll down, the thing goes up and down everytime i type.
Also, can you now refer to my post 455....

[andrew94]

hider give result

ill hold off my vote
p.s. thanks for killing argula

[andrew94]

Note that VEnmar still has not replied to my clarification in day 1

bet you he will say 'where is it, quote it again'.

Also, how do you know its the psych...

[andrew94]

I hid behind Venmar.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

why u no hide behind me

[andrew94]

soz exam today, late atm, llama whats this alt thing thats going on?

will post more later

[andrew94]

Im dont like nacho's vote

nor jackal


and Venmar, the one think i hate more than vi's are nigh confirmed
townies refusing to change their reads. i know your kind, and i wont waste
my time changing your mind. I see you also conpletely ignored my questions
since your 'confirmed town'.



@DCLXVI wait what? where did i sheep jump on the wagon
sir MISREP!!!

I'm not understanding how the hider not hiding will help town. If you direct him like that, he is likely to get NKd by scum. Tell me if I am missing something but hider should definitely hide.

Hider swings hard in even player setups. If we lose them to a scum target we go down to even numbers and then lose the tracker the following night since they need to claim to catch scum.

No longer hiding forces scum to NK BK, then Venmar, then tracker, then Psych. Thats four kills forced before they can break into killing town for looking town. I like that situation because we are really forcing scum to make moves instead of letting them make moves.

@DCL - Why are you only ending up with andrew-scum as a result of the Venmar wagon?

you were the one who suggested the tracker hider plan in the first place.
if the hider died night 1, the tracker would have to out himself.
why did you change your mind


@ llama your post 557 didnt make sense
are u supposed to be saying i think thomith is town?
cos all your points seem to support that

or @ llama are you saying thomith is scummy to you now?



about my post 491, look at your post beforehand and tell me whats wrong with it.

[andrew94]

--—-----------------
some other thoughts

Thomith's omgus "gut read" on me was cute.
I don't get the techno wagon at all
Nacho's case on techno is bad, as well as

Andrew sheep jump Ono the wagon.

Will get to that later tonight

why the fuck are there so many lying people in this game.



@llama i dont think you even read your own post 557 that i was referring to,
i was pointing a possible mistake that you made.
you first said that you dont think thomith is town

then you gave all the reasons thomith is town.

The fact that you didnt even bother to go back to your post when i pointed it out,
and just did a standard accusation back at me (when you said i was town earlier)
screams to me that you are scum that just made up some reads and
didnt double check.

[andrew94]

@nacho, he then voted me again soon after.
whether he votes me or not is of no consequence.
he just doesnt want to change his mind and admit he is wrong.
you also posted the same thing twice.

@llama, are you dense? you said psych which implied you know
that its the psych. im catching you out so you cant use that as a
softclaim.

scumlist:
llama, dcl

[andrew94]

i thought you said i was probably town.
why are you attempting to swear the word rolefishing into my name.
i already said i didnt want you to use that as a softclaim

venmar rolefished and he apparently is town

[andrew94]

@thomith
post 441 venmar rolefishs
venmar then gives a shit response.
post 451 nacho agrees
But why does that matter?
Venmar doesnt reply to any of my accusations now since he is 'confirmed town'.
Heck, he didnt even answer my last question on day1, suggesting that i should use microsoft word (thanks btw)

@dclxvi
how is it omgus?
you didnt vote me (your on thomith), you said you suspected me because
i was on venmar wagon
1) im angry that venmar wagon doesnt grow (of course i was.)
2) what the heck is your point 2 into post 558
3) some thing about me and llama. nothing to do with venmar. (ok....)
4) says my case is forced. (lol okay, how do you base that on? venmar becomming confirmed?)

you also said u didnt accuse me of sheeping and i shouldnt cry misrep cos you were voting me
-i pointed it out..
you said 'oh typo'
So i dont see how it is OMGUS at all. Even ask LLama or Tech,
i dont think im omgus at all.

[andrew94]

Venmar rolefished and he apparently is town

*twitch*

And Arugula "misrepped" you so that means im town by your same logic?

Yes, I am trying to figure out exactly what you are doing with that comment since the only way you could be turning it into a scumtell that I could see was accusing me of knowing it as scum (impossible), but it would more likely get a reaction from myself or the real psych which would tell scum what needs to be done killing wise.

I still think you are probably town, but I still am trying to stop you from being stupid at the same time. If you want to view that as attacking you as SCUM instead of attacking you as "please stop that" fine. But really, give us something to work with apart from "you are stupid for not agreeing with me". That doesnt even really work for good players most of the time, its never going to work for you.

Hey, llama
I have several points to make, pay attention to those with (1,2,3 in front of them, and answer the questions with ? after it)

1) I was under the impression that you said I Was misrepping Argula, and you didnt mention anything about Argula misrepping me

2) So basically your first point is void.
Now I'll be charitable and assume that you meant
'YOu misrepped argula so that means im town by your logic'
Well its entirely different.
We cant have everyone misrepping each other so that they get
the label of town. Besides, I was only pointing out that Venmar
rolefished but he was town, so rolefishing is not a scum action only.
I was also under the impression that you were smearing rolefishing
on my name.

Questions:
Where did i say 'you are stupid for not agreeing with me' ?
So you think Argula misrep'ed me?
Why is Tech scum?

[andrew94]

I know you said it is minor. but why is it a scumtell?
If argula were still alive, i would most likely be pushing him right now.

[andrew94]

1) because i thought argula was scum.
Im not afraid to admit that i am now wrong, unlike Venmar, who has tunneling me.
2)you said argula misrep'ed me, and he was town. Then you said you(llama) are town by the same logic. But You were saying i was misrepping argula, not the other way around


@ Tech yea. Theres also process of elimination.

[andrew94]

I dont get it. There was always the risk that BK would die night 1, same odd numbers etc, The only difference between tonight and last night is that Bk has less chance to die.


hypo psch/det time?

[andrew94]

But the force hide behind THomith

If scum kill thomith, we learn nothing

[andrew94]

@ Llama, hider is a Pr as well...
Apart from that,i would also say that the hider is a more reliable role that psych/det or tracker.

I dont like this plan. i liked the Bk hiding behind someone and tracker tracking him plan more.
Also, why is Thomith a mislynch that is always around.

[andrew94]

so BK hide behind random person? and tracker track him?

[andrew94]

before ending day, llama, did your case on tech just desolve


llama should be null
scumlist: dcl, jackal

[andrew94]

I dont know what to say to Venmar, he seems to have confirmation bias.

he states that me and nacho were late to the party.
That must mean that we were discussing in the scum qt?
wtf??? that doesnt make sense at all.


also, i didnt start the alliance at all. please reread.

argula first asked me to comment on the alliance, i then said
the only players i liked were nacho and kassadin (and bk)

My cases towards you are true. you were damn scummy.
You like to attack back insteading of defending yourself(you
say 'how is that scummy etc' during
day1, and after you became confirmed town, you just stopped
defending yourself and only starting attacking me.

@llama why do you say stuff like this?


p.s. i was about worried about tech because in previous games, some
scum buddied up to me a bit and defended me so its good tech's clear/.

[andrew94]

@Tech, i said nacho and kassadin because i feel that
kassadin is town and that nacho was town at that point of time.


also, i think kass is town due to some gut, but i feel your reasoning
isnt nice either.
you said the maths suggests kass to be more town than scum.
That will always be the case, until we lose....

I dont know about Llama, but i think hes a he. Please confirm that as i have been using he for the whole game. My apologies if im wrong.
He states that he saw someone crumbing and that the person crumbing
is not one of the clears.
IF he were scum, wouldnt he just kill that particular guy he was
talking about? That slightly points him into town but he might be
tricking.
I like Jackal more as scum

[andrew94]

here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=675

[andrew94]

@tech, did you not say kassadin is likely town?


What do you feel about nacho then?

[andrew94]

@tech why does it not look like bussing?

[andrew94]

origianlly i thought nacho was town and that
venmar, argula and llama were scum

Later on he voted on techno (town read).
Hes currrently null, as i like DCl ,jackal more as scum

[andrew94]

@ DCL, that reads list is just a copy of one of your posts 2 posts back.

his post 619 is crap
i already responded to your case at 558. you no response?

[andrew94]

so dcl

vote dcl

[andrew94]

Lets see.

Your fact number 1
VEnmar is town
and fact number 2
Venmar was a major wagon day 1.


Then you assume that a major day one wagon will have 1-2scum

So you say that i am scum on it

Theres some problems with your reasoning.
Firstly, how the F did i know that venmar is town?
the fact was only revealed at day 2.
During day 1, i thought venmar was scum.
THis is really crappy reasoning. If i am voting town, i get called
scum. IF i am voting scum, i get called for cheating. wtf?

how was venmar a major wagon. i think thomith was major.
why dont you analyse the thomith wagon as well?

finally, you should respond to the other points in my post,
namely the part where i said [quote="In post 793,i already responded to your case at 558. you no response?[/quote]

instead of selectively responding

[andrew94]

Tech defended Andrew.
Venmar is not scum cuz he ain't lurking and is active and has suspects of his own.

- Trying to decide if you are being serious or not.

well he said he read the game already so he's prob joking



@BK

process of elimination

tech town
venmar town
bk town

kassadin town troll vi
me town

llama prob town

so
dcl, shotgun, thomith , nacho


dcl makes crap case on me and doesnt change it
ill step back from the jackal one, since shotgun replaced him, but it seemed mostly gut

i like how you voted me for ignoring you when venmar ignored me all day everyday

[andrew94]

Llama, the point is that Rachmarie faked a PR claim and it saved one of the towns real PR's. Scum probably killed Rach because 1. They were fooled, and 2. They were hoping BK was going to hide behind her to confirm her.

Scum don't go for obvious kills. You yourself claiming to be obv town due to night results doesn't sound fishy at all. ( sarcasm )

what the heck? Rachmarie?????

vote nacho

L1

[andrew94]

jackal (shotgun) looks town to me now, so it leaves dcl, thomith, nacho

so im fine with either.

p.s. dont people claim at L1? (and with someone threatening to hamer)

[andrew94]

wait dcl is misrepping i think.
i randomly read one of the games he linked (397) isoed him, and he gave out reads....

[andrew94]

claim: phys/det with a guilty.

[andrew94]

So the crumb was correct.

I actually thought Llama was bluffing it to get you get another NK mislead. I'm guessing then you tracked me night 2.

Guilty on who?

track?????
im not saying till i dont get cc'ed

[andrew94]

i checked llamafluff night 2 and i got an innocent on him.
he either did not have the power to kill at all
or

he did not kill at all

unvote vote dcl

i think scums are thomith, dcl, nacho

[andrew94]

dude wtf im voting the guilty right now.

but i can switch to nacho cos scum is basically in

nacho, dcl, thomith,

llama and shotgun prob town

[andrew94]

so we still have like 15 hrs?

[andrew94]

@BK

i did not specify if i was the phy or detective

when i said i checked llama, i was saying

if i was the detective, he did not kill (yet)(on night 1 and night 2)



if i was the phy, he does not have the power to kill
(or have already killed on night 1 or night 2)

[andrew94]

Well...this is awkward...



gg you caught me

VOTE: DCLXVI

i thought you would be more inclined to lurk and hope nobody else is on.

[andrew94]

I didnt actually get a guilty on Dcl but he claimed scum so...

[andrew94]

yea i dont have a guilty at all, i was hoping some scum would counterclaim me which would (hopefully) lead to him getting lynched.

but then i could choose 3 from

llama
nacho
thomith
dcl
shotgun

it seems unlikely that llama is scum so...

and yes we should go for nacho tommorrow, and bk shouldnt hide tonight

[andrew94]

the night 1 result is inconclusive and didnt affect my reads at all. dont worry about that

[andrew94]

vote nacho

[andrew94]

i have a guilty on nacho

[andrew94]

detective

[andrew94]

unless both me and kassadinare scum together, you rscum nacho

[andrew94]

i have a guility on nacho

kass has a guilty on nacho

nacho is scum unless me and kass are scum together
obviously im town since nobody cc'ed me

[andrew94]

yea sounds easy, can we own nacho already pls?

me and kass can both check llama?

[andrew94]

also @ tech, yesterday's lie was for the greater good

as the saying goes: nobody remembers the gambit, but only the result

[andrew94]

hey tech, i lied. (again)

me and kass check thomith tonight letsgo

[andrew94]

i believe in kassadin the town troll.

@tech, i always bs as pr.

[andrew94]

tech, check most of my games of pr, involve bullshitting

[andrew94]

i think the hider is different for this game

[andrew94]

Thomith has killed

vote thomith

[andrew94]

im not lying

night 1 - nacho - not killed
night 2 - llama -not killed
night 3 - llama - not killed
night 4 - thomith- killed

i know im only putting my vote on thomith and you can lynch me to see if im the detective, then lynch thomith the next day if you want

[andrew94]

modkill rasp n tech hammer

[andrew94]

investigated nacho because i had a gut feeling from him
didnt want to investigate llama or venmar or argula because they were 'too suspicious' to be making the kill

[andrew94]

Good job Bk, you confirmed venmar which was good, since i was ready to attack venmar start of day 2