Open 402 -- Hard Boiled (Game Over!)

[TeChNoWC]

Only thing is Kass, a track on Llama doesn't prove he is town. I'm pretty sure Llama would have someone else do the killing N1 as Llama had less flak on him than a lot of people D1, though this would, to some degree, rule out a nacho/dcl/llama scumteam as nacho and dcl had less flak d1.

Kass, I don't understand why you tracked Llamafluff N1. Were you suspicious of him?

[TeChNoWC]

I think we all can agree that Nacho is the one that overlaps in all of our scum reads, yes?

So i would say he is the best lynch atm.

The best lynch today is andrew's guilty. Nacho is a good lynch option but we are lynching no one until andrew gives that guilty.

[TeChNoWC]

Kass has claimed tracker

Andrew has claimed psych/detective

We may as well massclaim now so we can get on to lynching

I am VT

Hurry up please peoples.

[TeChNoWC]

Grrr stupid tags

Kass has claimed tracker

Andrew has claimed psych/detective

We may as well massclaim now so we can get on to lynching

I am VT

[TeChNoWC]

Andrew, do not tell us who you are out of Psych/detective. Saying this will only help mafia in choosing tonight's most appropriate NK.

[TeChNoWC]

I am a VT as well.

You know what's funny. LlamaFluffs day 1 VT claim analysis on Thomith.

Yeah, now we are all town except for Kass and andrew, LOL.

I was worried earlier that you were a PR. I had been considering a mass claim because I knew I was VT, but you said something D2 that made me think you were a PR and having two PR's that aren't in the conf group is much better for town.

Pedit: definitely LMAO.

[TeChNoWC]

So BK, no hiding tonight?

[TeChNoWC]

BK, what are you doing tonight. Hiding or not.

Lol at my first sentence when read in isolation.

[TeChNoWC]

Yeah, in hindsight that was bad I did that, gave away that I wasn't tracker.

THIS.

Yeah, that would fuck town actually. Though I think scum is likely to play it safe and kill Venmar tonight (particularly with no doc or whatever).

Although some of your maths is incorrect. BK has less than 50% chance of hitting scum (3/8 (minus him and Venmar)). Not sure why BK has a '50% chance of dying'.

But yeah, it does seem risky. It could have one of many results though. I would just leave it with let BK decide.

If we correctly lynch today, chances become 25% of him hitting scum, so its more likely he'll confirm town. There is still that horrible chance that BK will hide behind the NK target yeah.

Why would i die? I did not claim yet..

Had me worried the whole time that Venmar was going to get NKd N2 and he was a PR.

[TeChNoWC]

No lynch today other than andrews guilty.

[TeChNoWC]

Kass thinks Llama is town.

[TeChNoWC]

Fooled me

If I was scum I probs would have killed you over rasp N2

[TeChNoWC]

If Kass is telling the truth and andrew's innocent is indeed Llama, then yes I do believe Llama is innocent. That's assuming Llama is the innocent result of andrew's.

Pedit: BK, Llama is town if both andrew and Kass investigated him. Correct me if I am wrong.

[TeChNoWC]

Llama, if you become conftown dont worry about the BK hiding shit. We've won. We lynch the guilty today, mislynch tommorrow if we even want to, and then there is nothing scum can do to stop us.

[TeChNoWC]

He said he tracked you N2.

I have no idea why he tracked Llama night one. That is kinda making me worried...

I suspected Kass could have been tracker after his reaction to tracker talk D1, but I seriously want to wait for a CC because that N1 track makes no sense. Was Kass suspicious of Llama D1?

[TeChNoWC]

hey BK, how do we veto votes to another player and is it possible? I've seen it allowed in another game. Basically one player gives another player the power to cast their vote. Just wondering in case andrew rocks up to the party late and we can't get enough votes before deadline, we could give a player voting power.

[TeChNoWC]

Guys, all the confidence posting is nice but let's actually try.

ANDREW, WTH WAS YOUR GUILTY READ SAY IT NOW

[TeChNoWC]

Doesn't the number of confirmed Town outnumber the unconfirmed?
This is pretty much game in the bag for us.

3 super conf
2 mostly conf (nacho and thomith haven't claimed yet)
1 I think conf (Llama)

So yes, if so. But I still want that guilty just to be sure. Why would andrew not give his guilty read. 'I THINK SCUM IS'

He should KNOW who one of the scum is.

[TeChNoWC]

4. The Detective targets a player and finds out if that player has killed another player or not.
5. The Psychologist targets a player and finds out if they have the potential to kill, but if the player has already killed, the psychologist will get a negative result.

You are the Detective. You power is:
Investigation: Each night, you may PM me the name of a player you wish to investigate. I will return a result to indicate if that player has killed another player on any night, including the night you submit the action.

You are the Psychologist. Your power is:
Diagnosis: Each night, you may PM me the name of a player you wish to diagnose. I will return a result to indicate if that player has the ability to kill or not. However, if they have already killed another player, including kills submitted on the night you diagnose them, the result will be that they do not have the ability to kill.

If Llama is the psych and both Kass and andrew are telling the truth, then Llama is conftown. If andrew is the detective, all it says is that Llama hasn't killed anyone at all.

[TeChNoWC]

If andrew is the psych*

[TeChNoWC]

Fuck this.

Vote: andrew94

In your next post tell me who your guilty was or we are lynching you.

[TeChNoWC]

Fuck this.

Vote: andrew94

In your next post tell me who your guilty was or we are lynching you.

- Woah Woah Woah. Chill, please. We aren't lynching Andrew.

Only trying to get his attention. We are getting really close to deadline and I don't understand why he is flaking.

One minute he says he has a guilty, and then he is hypothesizing on who is scum.

Can we get the guilty already andrew before there is a nolynch or possible mislynch?

[TeChNoWC]

Yep. That's the way it will have to be. *sigh*

Unvote

[TeChNoWC]

Nacho. Sir, i see you browsing. GET IN HERE.

Vote: Nachomamma8

- Cmon guys.

Nacho,

any thoughts on:

- Andrew claiming psych/detective
- Kass claiming tracker?

[TeChNoWC]

Really dude, it's all you have to comment on.

[TeChNoWC]

Vote: Nachomamma8

I realise I'm deadline scrambling but this is getting beyond ridiculous.

I think we have like 36 hours left or something.

[TeChNoWC]

Votecount 3.6

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

Nachomamma8 (4) -- Venmar, drmyshotgun, TeCHNoWC, BK201

(L-2!)

DLCXVI (2) -- andrew94, Thomith
Kassadin (1) -- DLCXVI

Not voting -- Nachomamma8, LlamaFluff, Kassadin

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-07-01 11:17:00)

I think deadline is actually in a few hours.

[TeChNoWC]

17 hours I believe, until deadline.

WE NEED ANDREW'S GUILTY NOW
WE NEED VOTES NOW

WE NEED A LYNCH NOW

[TeChNoWC]

Well...this is awkward...



gg you caught me

VOTE: DCLXVI

A bit premature, but haha

Vote: DCLXVI

scum please don't be killing me

[TeChNoWC]

I think that was a hammer yo

[TeChNoWC]

dang it this wont count for my "scum neutralized" cus I was too late to get in b4 hammer :/

Huh?

[TeChNoWC]

hhhmmm....

I'm wondering if my N2 suspicion of a scumteam between LlamaFluff/Nacho/DCL is still in the works...

Guys, tonight look over people's interactions with DCL. There is a lot of distancing between DCL and Llama.

Also might be best for andrew to say his role because I want to figure out why DCL did the kill (or didn't do the kill), which might point to who else is scum.

Pedit: andrew say what?

Like I said, DCL, premature post.

What was your Day 1 read then, andrew?

If you just bluffed that, fucking champion

[TeChNoWC]

You were on the wagon, BK.

[TeChNoWC]

Do you count scumbuddies neutralized? My glorious hammer on scumbuddy vijay, 1332 :p my first scum hammer HAHAHAHAHA

[TeChNoWC]

yea i dont have a guilty at all, i was hoping some scum would counterclaim me which would (hopefully) lead to him getting lynched.

but then i could choose 3 from

llama
nacho
thomith
dcl
shotgun

it seems unlikely that llama is scum so...

and yes we should go for nacho tommorrow, and bk shouldnt hide tonight

Don't rule Llama out entirely.

Who did you look at night 1?

[TeChNoWC]

Hide or not?

P-edit: sweeeet I'm awesome

Lol no I don't count scumkills as scum. Thats part of the reason I don't update it till the game is completed :p

That was my third hammer ever, and all have been scum. YEEAAAH BOOIIIIIII!!!!!

Trying to keep the track record going.

[TeChNoWC]

@Tech, I did have it say scum lynched before, but after I shot you in 1332 I changed it to scum neutralized and added your death.

OHHHHHH NICCE

We had a nasty gunfight, we did

I have a massive kill to death ratio

Pedit: I am worried. Was it arugula or something?

[TeChNoWC]

Am I late to the party?

I think so.

I want the hammer, bitch...



checking now

[TeChNoWC]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I think BK was the hammer...

[TeChNoWC]

FUCK YOU BK

CALL DIPS ON TOMMORROW'S SCUM HAMMER

[TeChNoWC]

You're going to die this night.

Na, I think scum will kill a PR, most likely Kass

[TeChNoWC]

Nope. You.

why me?

[TeChNoWC]

Because. I am kidding.

Hahaha nice job of freaking me out.

My mind was spinning like 'OH MY GOD IS VENMAR SECRET SCUM!'

lol

[TeChNoWC]

Thomith defending Kass and pushing a DCL lynch, townie points +2

[TeChNoWC]

Don't hide BK. There is good odds of us winning. Plus we will have a PR result tommorrow.

[TeChNoWC]

BK, who do you think looks like the best lynch option tommorrow, simply from what we have now?

Pedit: And? Even if you are, hiding behind town is a BAAAD idea at this stage.

[TeChNoWC]

But I'm Town.

I'm not sure why you are worrying anyway. You are not the likely lynch candidate tomorrow. If you are town, we are on the right track. If you are scum, good for you you're flying under the radar. Why are you worrying about becoming conf so bad?

[TeChNoWC]

No hide tonight. It drops it to 8 alive with Kass dead, small chance of andrew having a guilty. Hiding basically is using the mislynch at this point. If there is one scum left hiding is a worthwhile gamble though because if scum is hit thats the game.

After that I think hiding is the right move since the scum pool is lowered.

I would say Thomith is best chance for town out of nacho/DMS/Thomith at this point. Reaction from DCL is a little awkward for Thomith to be scum but as that last game with Thomith proved stranger things can happen. For those not in that game I thought I saw a cop breadcrumb in an open, soft claimed pretty hard cop with a guilty on a player who was scum, and one of the other scum responded by pushing hard on their other partner.

Its a mild tell I think.

If andrew is detective - I am scum only if I havent killed
If andrew is psych - I am scum only if I killed N2

Realistically though, I still think it should be obvious im town because andrew is alive. I think if you go back its obvious the exact point that I noticed he was a PR (and even what PR he was). The other one I was wrong on, thought Venmar was tracker for some reason.

Your reason for being town is massive WIFOM. Also by the sound of your frustration, I get the feeling you were opposed to a Rasp kill but your two scumbuddies overpowered you and went for the kill anyway, and now you are shitty about it + trying to get towny points.

At least for once though we agree on what BK should do.

BK, PLEASE DO NOT HIDE. It's way too risky.

Llama, who do you think is the last two scum?

[TeChNoWC]

Well considering the scum are going to be killing Andrew or Kassadin 100%... I don't see the harm in BK confirming one more person because i doubt the scum will target anyone in the unconfirmed pool, it's way too risky for them.

It's all up to BK after all.

The harm is that he has to tell us beforehand, and if he targets a towny the mafia will know, and they will kill the towny AND BK, leaving us with two dead townies rather than one.

I guess there is the benefit though that he could hit scum, and an unconf town dying gets the lynch pool down... Hhhhmmm....

[TeChNoWC]

I just realised something. BK don't hide.

[TeChNoWC]

Fuck no.

That was a good kill by mafia.

Basically if BK was alive tonight and hid, we would have won the game.

[TeChNoWC]

Btw, love the flavour Chimera. Classic case of andrew win

[TeChNoWC]

before ending day, llama, did your case on tech just desolve


llama should be null
scumlist: dcl, jackal

I thought this was a crumb, indicating either he was PRing me or you.

[TeChNoWC]

*sigh*

Andrew and Kassadin should report their powers,

if we're lucky Kassadin didn't track BK and instead tracked someone else

.

Here's hoping that did not happen.

But yeah, let's get the info guys.

[TeChNoWC]

Oh yeah, what I saw about hider winning for us was this:

If he was still alive today, we could have lynched any of the four unconf, wouldn't matter. Say it's a mislynch, leaves us with one unconf town and two scum. Then, BK hides behind ANYONE, and says who beforehand. If he lives, we would have known who the last two scum are because he would have confirmed the last unconf. If he dies, he hid behind scum, and we lynch that guy, leaving two lynch options for the next day, and if my maths is right it wouldn't matter who we lynched then basically we just lynch them both and win.

Ergo sum, whoever killed BK realised this.

[TeChNoWC]

Ok, ducking in quickly here. Got shit to do.

I would rather today not be rushed. Even IF we get a guilty, I don't want it to be rushed. I'm hoping to (when I get time) do a massive VCA and post it up, not just for today but leading into tommorrow. I also want to give scums plenty of time to talk so we can get reads out of the four unconfd as to who they think the last two scum are. This will help us make connections between the second and third scum if we lynch correctly today. Quicklynching will just minimize our chances of this being possible.

Andrew, did you get a guilty last night? This time I want honesty, no gambits.

[TeChNoWC]

@Nacho: Ok, I have a ton of questions, so bear with me:

1. Why did you track drmy? Did you suspect him?
2. Let's assume for instance you are correct and Kass is lying scum. Say we lynch you first, killing the tracker, another player dies tonight and then we lynch Kass tommorrow. How do you feel about town's odds in this scenario?
3. Why would scum-Kass have felt the need to claim? How would this benefit scum? Though the fact he did it before andrew's guilty was given makes me think he freaked and thought he was the guilty, and tried to out the tracker before he died.
4. What do you think about DCL pushing for a Kass lynch?
5. Why do you think BK died last night?
6. Who do you think is Kass' scumpartner?
7. Did you crumb at all?

Andrew, I need your result now. If you got a guilty on Nacho, we need it. If you lie about having a guilty on Nacho, I swear to God, [insert nasty stuff].

[TeChNoWC]

1. Why Gunny? With the way Kass is sticking up for Llama, and Llama being at least as equally good player as drmy (in my eyes anyway), why not try Llama?
2. Do the math for me. Humour me.
3. Possible.
4. It sort of came out of know where. Seemed more opportunist to me than bussing (given that our leads were going cold), but I could be wrong.
5. BK was effectively VT when not hiding. Unless scum anticipated that he would hide again at some point.
6. And what about the idea that Llama/Kass(whoever) had a fight that night in the QT and Kass submitted the kill early (I wouldn't put it past Kass to jump the gun), angering Llama about the kill because he wanted to kill Andrew?
7. Why did you not crumb yesterday?

[TeChNoWC]

WOW. So many P-edits. Reading now.

No one hammer.

[TeChNoWC]

And he was tracked.

TECHNO.

We can't believe what Kass says right now.

Just everyone quiet down already. I loved your lie yesterday Andrew but it's making it really hard for me to trust you now.

Seriously, do not take stock in your reads alone.

If you are lying, say so now.

Pedit: explain.

Ppedit: We aren't quicklynching you. Period. I'm dragging this day out if it kills me.

pppedit: I wanna post already

[TeChNoWC]

Nachomamma, T/S list please.

[TeChNoWC]

Andrew, in your next post tell me whether you are Psych or Detective.

IMPORTANT.

[TeChNoWC]

If we mislynch today we have a fifty-fifty chance of winning in mylo. I don't want to swing this in mafia's favour.

[TeChNoWC]

Nacho did explain it, and he was right. I got it wrong.

[TeChNoWC]

Venmar, do you think andrew is lying like he did yesterday?

[TeChNoWC]

So what the hell are we waiting for?
Andrew said guilty. Guilty. GUILTY.
And we are letting a GUILTY player have some time before Andrew comes back on again?
What do you think Andrew will say? Not guilty??

Andrew might say 'sorry tech, I was lying again and got ahead of myself, let's think about this rationally cos Kass could be scum'

But we can all dream.

I also have a way of testing whether Andrew lied or not, so let's just play my game for a bit.

[TeChNoWC]

unless both me and kassadinare scum together, you rscum nacho

An untrue statement, considering you lied earlier.

Anyway, you claiming Detective is sound with your guilty claim. Had you claimed Psych, I would have known you were 100% lying.

Pedit: Nacho had obvious reasons to be laying low if he is indeed a PR.

[TeChNoWC]

Andrew and Kass both need to target in me/DMS/Thomith for the forced win since its a detective.

One that is alive will have caught/cleared someone, and we have a mislynch to burn so its a simple win.

1. Andrew lies
2. One of them will be dead tommorrow.

So no.

[TeChNoWC]

If they want to kill Kass on the offchance andrew is lying im cool with it since even if he is lying and is psych im essentially clear unless you want to argue that I made the N2 and only the N2 kill which is just a bad theory to start. Im not going to make a kill I dont want to and break what is standard play on what should be done. Either way andrew is the bigger scumhunting threat than Kass so its going to be a massive gamble if they want to go for Kass in the offchance it only creates a semi-clear.

Also yes. If andrew/kass get a negative it means whoever they targeted couldnt have made the kill so any kill occuring clears a player or catches last scum. Thing is just whoever lives gives us an alignment on one of us.

Dude, sometimes what you say goes straight over my head until further rereads.

I must be thick or something.

What I thought you said earlier was 'kass and andrew can target the same person and tell us if they are mafia tommorrow'
I said 'no, one of them will die tonight'
You said something about 'they' (mafia?) wanting to kill Kass and not andrew because he is lying or something or other.

I'm not getting the connect between what I said, and what you just said.

[TeChNoWC]

I'm not sure I'll get time to do that VCA, and likely I will be alive tommorrow anyway to do one and with a second flip I can post more thoughts. We have a fair amount of content anyway.

One of you guys can hammer if you like. But if you are lying Andrew, and Nacho flips town, I'll be so fucking mad it won't be funny.

[TeChNoWC]

Nacho, you got hammered.

Are you scum?

[TeChNoWC]

yeah, unfortunately.

Gambit was worth it I guess. Could have worked.

[TeChNoWC]

My gut going into D3 told me Llama/DCL/Nacho were the scumteam. I managed to second guess this all the way through

If Llama is the last scum, imma be happy with the ole gutometer.

I really like this setup but I do feel it is somewhat too much townsided.

[TeChNoWC]

I think maybe scum should have a rolecop or something. Also would be good in this setup considering visiting a player to see if they are a PR would be risky in itself, ie, more visiting going on.

Plus someone who got found visiting but the person in question didn't die could be used as a town PR claim (eg 'Oh yeah, cos I'm the psyche' eg).

[TeChNoWC]

hey tech, i lied. (again)

me and kass check thomith tonight letsgo

I thought you were. You were acting the same as you did yesterday.

I just lost that little niggle in the back of my head that Nacho could be town.

Stop doing it though. I'm not angry, but I don't think I could ever trust you as a PR again. And that's worth more than one game.

[TeChNoWC]

i believe in kassadin the town troll.

@tech, i always bs as pr.

Everybody trusted Kass. TOO MUCH.

I felt someone had to keep the flow going and play devil's advocate.

But unfortunately, I know now to never believe anything you say as PR, and I'll quote this game as reference, town or scum. A sad day indeed.

[TeChNoWC]

Of course, when the game is finished (mod don't jump me )

Nacho's PR claim was a good move (I know I'm end of game assessing here but oh well, hahaha). One of the main reasons he came off as scummy to me was la old active lurking. And that makes a lot of sense if he was a PR laying low. Plus lynching Kass would have probs been the one chance maf had of winning this, so it was worth a shot.

[TeChNoWC]

Coming up next day: With Andrew dead, Thomith claims Tracker. We somehow believe.

Yeah I think Thomith is the tracker actually! Makes perfect sense!

I think he should claim, I believe you Thomith!!!!!!!!!



drmy, who is final scum?

[TeChNoWC]

VC 1

BK201

(1) --

Venmar

raspberrylicous

(1) -- Thomith

VC 2

raspberrylicous

(1) -- Thomith

Kassadin

(1) --

BK201

Venmar

(1) -- LlamaFluff
LlamaFluff (2) -- LowMan,

Venmar

V3

raspberrylicous

(1) -- Thomith

Kassadin

(2) --

BK201

, LlamaFluff

Venmar

(1) --

andrew94

andrew94

(1) --

Arugula

LowMan (1) --

Nachomamma8

Ugh, this is boring.

More coming.

[TeChNoWC]

Fuck lol I just did a heap and clicked refresh

[TeChNoWC]

VC 4

Kassadin

(2) -- LlamaFluff, LowMan

Venmar

(2) --

andrew94, BwBurke

LowMan (1) --

Nachomamma8

LlamaFluff (1) -- Thomith
Thomith (1) --

Arugula

Arugula

(1) --

The1fifi

raspberrylicious

(1) --

BK201

BK201

(1) --

TeCHNoWC

VC5

Venmar

(3) --

andrew94

, Lowman, Thomith
LowMan (1) --

Nachomamma8

Thomith (3) --

Arugula

,

Venmar

, LlamaFluff

Arugula

(1) --

The1fifi

raspberrylicious

(1) --

BK201

BK201

(1) --

TeCHNoWC

VC 6

Venmar

(3) --

andrew94

, Lowman, Thomith
LowMan (1) --

Nachomamma8

Thomith (5) --

Arugula

,

Venmar

, LlamaFluff,

Kassadin

,

raspberrylicious

(L-2)

Arugula

(1) --

The1fifi

raspberrylicious

(1) --

BK201

BK201

(1) --

TeCHNoWC

[TeChNoWC]

VC 7

Venmar

(4) --

andrew94

, Lowman, Thomith,

raspberrylicious

Thomith (2) --

Venmar

,

Kassadin

Arugula

(1) --

The1fifi

raspberrylicious

(2) --

BK201

,

nachomamma8

BK201

(2) --

TeCHNoWC, BwBurke

BwBurke

(2) -- LlamaFluff,

Arugula

VC 8

Venmar

(4) --

andrew94

, Lowman, Thomith,

raspberrylicious

raspberrylicious

(2) --

BK201

,

nachomamma8

BK201

(1) --

BwBurke

BwBurke

(4) -- LlamaFluff,

Arugula, Venmar, Kassadin

VC 9

Venmar

(3) --

andrew94

, Thomith,

raspberrylicious

BK201

(1) --

BwBurke

BwBurke

(3) --

Arugula, Kassadin,

nachomamma8

Thomith (5) --

BK201

,

DCLXVI

,

TeChNoWC, Venmar

, Lowman

[TeChNoWC]

"The Hider has the ability to target one player each night. The Hider is treated like the target for all other roles' purposes - for instance, if the Hider's target gets investigated by a Cop,"

Just found that on the wiki.

If so, hider should get also get the results of who the person BK visited (eg if BK visited Player A, and Player A was performing a kill, Tracker tracking BK would have found out who Player A targeted).

Anyway, probs useless since BK targeted me and Venmar, two VT's.

I'm getting sick of doing VCA's, anyone wanna take over?

[TeChNoWC]

hm, i noticed something about the way nacho and llama have been interacting but want to run it by you guys as i still think dms' slot is a lot worse just because of jackal, have you guys noticed that llama and nacho have never really had that much of a clear stance of each other throughout the whole game, the kind of flimsy interactions seem weird to me, could this be a scumteam interactions or am i over reading this and dms really is the last scum?

Nope. I've had this thought too. Hardly mentioned each other at all, other than when the Nacho wagon started up and Llama said 'could be scum', but had a townread for his twilight Burke comment. And I reckon that comment was leaning scum more than town.

Pedit: Only problem is I don't trust andrew's results, and will be ignoring them completely tomorrow.

[TeChNoWC]

That means Kassadin dies.

GOD DAMMIT.

I know

I pretty much just set him up then.

But in all honesty, I'm not sure how much weight to put into Kass' claims either.

[TeChNoWC]

Andrew, last chance to give your ACTUAL results you got the last few nights, since you might be dead tommorrow.

[TeChNoWC]

Thomith has killed

vote thomith

Not trusting.

Not rushing the day.

Andrew, all your reads from every day. Now.

[TeChNoWC]

Guaranteed Thomith-scum.
If not, Llama-scum. That would be disappointing though.

Why would it be disapointing?

[TeChNoWC]

Why the fuck would Andrew lie? It is Day, fucking, 5. Tracker (the real one) is

dead

.
What case/clue do you have of Thomith being Town?
What is so Town about him or so Scum of me/Llama that makes him not the lynch today??
Well, you'll probably end up with his lynch, but why stretch out the day??

Andrew would lie because he always does.
Thomith could be town from DCL pushing for his lynch.
Llama gives me scumvibes. More later gotta go.

[TeChNoWC]

Why would Andrew be trying to lynch a damn Townie on Day 5? Tell me.
Why would he

do

that?

Bad logic bro.

Andrew tried to get DCL/Nacho lynched without knowing they were scum.

Thomith was next on his scumlist when he last posted one, from memory. It could simply be confidence in reads.

Andrew, why did you investigate Nacho N1? That makes little sense; no one suspected him D1.

[TeChNoWC]

I am more of asking Techno >.>

Might as well. Way I see it, no one else can get lynched today anyway, even if andrew's guilty is fake.

Though I would suggest wait for andrew so in twilight he can give his last night's read if he was in fact lying.

Interestingly, Nacho WAS NOT ON THE THOMITH WAGON at any point D1, so Thomith may well be scum for that.

[TeChNoWC]

modkill rasp n tech hammer

You better not be wrecking my hammer record bro, if and when I do hammer.

Tell me why you investigated Nacho night one. For shits and giggles.

Pedit: Cool cool. Better be a fucking scumbag though.

[TeChNoWC]

Well done andrew, well played. Though you are a sneaky little shit, and that's something I usually say to MAFIA, so lol.

Nice D1 bus on Thomith, DCL.

Mafia QT please! And dead QT please.

Second most enjoyable game for me so far, after mini 1332. Nice setup, mafia kind of fucked it with the rasp kill. That was one of the biggest mistakes. BK got a bit lucky too confing two VT's so basically we could have a 5playerconftownmassofwin. Hard to fight that.

Not happy with some of my indecisiveness this game, but happy with my no lynch suggestion + nacho gutread. So overall am ok with my play (have done worse ) I think andrew had best town play though for sure.

Anyway gotta run guys, booze and 21st (booyah) so will read over later tommorrow or something.

[TeChNoWC]

Oh btw mod loved the flavour. I know not every game can have gameplay specific flavour (techno thinks this, venmar thinks this) but I loved it in this game.

Pedit: Two out of three is pretty good

[TeChNoWC]

Oh, and this is my first town win. WAAAAYOOOHHHOOO

[TeChNoWC]

I think some of my vibe on Llama was biased towards his wiki saying he doesn't get lynched much as scum, and I wanted to catch him out

A lot of my read on Nacho/DCL/Llama was simply because I thought I should be taking my focus off the popular mislynches (like Burke and Jackal), and focus on other players (eg catch the big fellas). DCL managed to water down my gut on him a fair bit to the point I almost starting thinking he was town, particularly with the Kass switch (don't know why that made me think differently). Llama felt like that 'last scum' who was untouchable but that had my gut going.

In hindsight, Llama's plan to hide behind VT's may have been a good one. Just not sure it should be a definite person. Maybe three people claim VT, and BK chooses one of them to hide behind? Not sure. Anyway, yeah, we got lucky with both the initial confs being VTs. I was really concerned Venmar was a PR for awhile.

Pedit: I actually like Kass' style a bit. People were hating on him D1 but I kind of found it interesting. Started to annoy me late game though when we were doing semi-mass claim, people were trying to lynch him etc and I wasn't sure if he was still reading the game or not.