Open 438: Masons and Mafia - Game Over

[Malakittens]

HAI

Vote: Grey

You have part of my cat's name <3

[Malakittens]

Woooooooops! I didn't realize there were two Greys my apologizes

Unvote: Grey
Vote: Greywing

[Malakittens]

Whiskers if you wanted to get technical. Both 'Grey' could be confirmed as cats since they both have Grey and my cat's name is Little Grey.

[Malakittens]

I corrected my mistake. I was voting Greywing.

[Malakittens]

oh Why: 'Cause I know Greywing over Greygnarl.. Plus gnarl sounds more snarly than cute

[Malakittens]

Why GW?

[Malakittens]

I still think it's wrong to roll or even vote RVS by an RNG.

As for GW I don't know why, but I felt his vote was a bit off which is why I questioned it.

@ McStab: Possibly a GW/PG team, somehow? Maybe that's why GW didn't apply it to PG? Might be a bit too early for these reads on Page 2, but there's tons of factors to consider though.

[Malakittens]

Interesting.

[Malakittens]

The way the votes switched to GW.

[Malakittens]

Why did I need to explain my 'interesting' it was PRETTY apparent who it was AIMED at.

Yes, I caught that vote switch by McStab, but I'm toying with a possible scum PG/McStab. I could be wrong, but I see early signs.

Unvote:
Vote: McStab

[Malakittens]

Hooves of suspicion, that's cute. ^

[Malakittens]

Aren't you ever scared either one of you could be scum when you are 'teaming' up?

[Malakittens]

Awesome job at taking that out of context a bit:

I meant aren't you scared Whiskers is scum.
Wouldn't Whiskers be scared you are scum.

[Malakittens]

I'm not big into Sal's meta, but I don't see how his post was really scummy.

Though Sal.. I don't see them as scum partners. It's way too obvious, but they are joking around and poking fun at each other. It's a null tell, but I asked the possibilities thing to make it aware to them that it came off as they are blindly trusting each other.

[Malakittens]

Aren't you ever scared either one of you could be scum when you are 'teaming' up?

My instant read on this post was scum trying to find masons.

Nope, I think it's a bad move for people to blindly trust others and sheep them. Which is what I been trying to get at.

[Malakittens]

I believe GW is town due to meta issues, but I can't tell you exactly the reason as it's due to an ongoing game. I'll wait til it ends to explain it fully. I questioned his vote because of how it was written.

As for Sala, I don't see a scum Sala. He's acting similar to the game I played in where he was town and I was scum.

Personally, I think DJD is over-doing. I think it will be better to stop tunneling on Sala and focus on trying to look for other scummy people.

I think McStab is scummy due to the vote on GW after two people previously voted on him along with the fact he totally disregarded that PG did a similar thing.

Feeling that Whiskers/OoTN are town, but I still don't believe this whole 'SHEEP ME HERE AND THERE' is going to be helpful.

As for GG I suggest you reading up on my meta. I come off odd more as town rather than scum, but I look equally scummy on both alignments.

[Malakittens]

Ehm. Okay, seriously? Because I did a big list.. I'm a mason.. How is that logical?

Also how does doing a big list avoid a push? Nonono. I would think it would do the opposite. Big lists help people, like me, get my thoughts together and efficiently scum hunt better.

Whatever, FoS on your whole post and no this is not OMGUS. I don't think him declaring his thoughts on someone being a mason is pro-town.

In fact, I'll be willing to vote there right now for it.

[Malakittens]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=22308

As of right now GG is making the scum job easier by declaring Mason reads. Please do not do that. Thanks.

Also, Sal replaced in one of the days.

[Malakittens]

No, because I think PG/GW might be scum, but I have a slight town read on GW more than PG. I think it's either a clear scum/town or scum/scum. I don't think we should be talking about Proposition #2.

The next person to HELP THE SCUM more by throwing their thoughts regarding possible mason connections IS NOT helpful to the town. Knock it off. Next person receives my vote if I see a slight Player X & Y are masons together!!#@!@!. This is like a role game, but instead of roles it's masons. Is it okay to role speculate during a role-heavy game? No, now stop it.

Scum Reads:

McStab
GG

Slight town read:
GW
OotN
Sal
Whiskers

[Malakittens]

Your vote on him was really scummy.

[Malakittens]

I still think it's wrong to roll or even vote RVS by an RNG.

As for GW I don't know why, but I felt his vote was a bit off which is why I questioned it.

@ McStab: Possibly a GW/PG team, somehow? Maybe that's why GW didn't apply it to PG? Might be a bit too early for these reads on Page 2, but there's tons of factors to consider though.

It's possible, but I don't think speculating at this stage is a good thing. Masons know their own, Mafia know their own, and establishing a link between two people that turn out to be masons would be quite bad.

Instead of trying to use associative links, we should wait until someone flips scum for their individual behaviour, if you ask me.

For now, I think Greywing's hypocrisy should be noted but not pushed; if PG flips scum, then he's a prime suspect.

I don't buy the "I was trying to get us out of RVS by being random". Read Whiskers sig link and that explains why. The only reason we're out of RVS is because he's scummy as hell, let's get a wagon going up in here.

First..

You start off with a non RVS vote. Basically seems as if you ran away from the RVS stage and went right into umgsuperseriousstage.
(I'm hyper and in a good mood, can you tell?)

Then you make a comment regarding GW asking about why his case doesn't apply to PG.

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Then PG votes GW.

See bolded part. You stated that you see where GW made his hypocrisy, but you also stated that it should be noted, but not pushed yet.
Then you chime in with the above comment.

Whiskers votes GW
Which brings the votes all the way up to 3.

All of a sudden you vote GW with this:

I can get on board with Greywing, post #34 is hypocritiscummy

Basically, you totally disregarded your top post about how you don't think it should be pushed, but when there's already 3 people on the wagon you push it further.

[Malakittens]

-___-

[Malakittens]

K, only if you get people to give their thoughts on the issue at hand!

I want to know GW, GG and Seik thoughts on the issue at hand regarding Sala. (Mainly)

[Malakittens]

Well..
Point 2,3,4,5,7,8 I have seen when I played with a town OotN. Maybe a bit of 6.

[Malakittens]

I am being vocal. >.>

[Malakittens]

Dude yes. You are probably forgetting I'm here because I actually haven't said anything directly to you.

You actually pinpointed me as a joke and it freaked me the hell out. Plus I was on vacation then. >.>

[Malakittens]

Oh. Wow, wow. Didn't see that shit coming.

Going back to read regarding Sala to see if I can't find someone who was against his lynch or hopped/hopped off for no reason.

[Malakittens]

Oh unless Sala was trying to buss either McStab or OotN, one has moved to a slight town read and the other stays on the town list.

McStab would be the one I would think he could have tried bussing though. OotN hasn't given me that scum vibe.

[Malakittens]

I guess Sala thought it was better to try shooting then getting lynched. He shot wrong and died.

Okay, I keep looking more and more at McStab and I think he's town and it's not busing from Sala's side.

I think I'm going to agree with Pash here.

Vote: PG

I'll be amazed if GW is town due to some comments that Sala said about GW.

[Malakittens]

Am I not allowed to change my mind about McStab from looking at Sala's posts?

[Malakittens]

Well.. some of his posts didn't make sense in Day 1, but they still don't, but due to Sala everything just got thrown out the window.

It's okay. People don't think it's helpful, but VC/Flips help me get my reads together to catch scum. I have noticed scum tend to go into certain patterns, but you just need a flip to figure it out. Even a town flip would eventually help me figure out the higher chances of someone being scum and someone being town.

[Malakittens]

Huh? Explain?!

[Malakittens]

Yeah, outing results in two deaths if you really are masons. Which is why I think GW is most likely scum trying to save his buddy right now. >.>

[Malakittens]

Which is why I believe you are lying GW. I know what you are trying to claim. You are claiming Mason, but if you are truly both Masons you are both dying at a daykill, but if you don't die right now without a Daykill. I'm willing to bet you are both scum.

Vote is staying where it is.

[Malakittens]

I really don't see how fake claiming Mason was a good thing. It makes the real masons counterclaim :/

[Malakittens]

Same.