Open 586: Playing With Elements~ (D7)

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1629 - What made you doubt your scum-read on Wgeurts from the last post I quoted?

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Last post is @Alchemist.

PEdit - Titus is SUCH fucking scum. Fuck.

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Titus slipping so hard.

Wax is town. Dodgy is town. Math is town. I am super-confident in those reads.

Wgeurts & Titus are scum. Titus is scummier than Wgeurts (I'm beginning to doubt my read on Wgeurts because I think one of House/Dave has to be scum) Don't really want to go into that yet though.

PEdit - Titus still filling her lynch list with townies (not sure on Guille by any means). But she for sure has 3 townies in there.

VOTE: Titus

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I'm all for it.

I can lynch either. I'm feeling really good about a Titus lynch right now.

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VT.

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VOTE: Wgeurts

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What's the plan?

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I hate it when games can be broken.

Who we voting? Guille?

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K.

VOTE: House

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Nah, I'm not voting Math.

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Can't we just lynch Wgeurts anyway?

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I like being conf town.

Let's do that.

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I am.

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VOTE: Guille

Now...

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Kelbris town.

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I do. I confess.

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Wgeurts is scum though Wax.

So we can lynch Guille now.

Then Wgeurts tomorrow.

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Dodgy is town as fuck.

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I could see House scum.

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Argue House as scum. I will tear it up.

Why is House town?

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I would also lynch House.

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I'm waiting to see if his wagon picks up.

If it does, I'm on it.

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K.

VOTE: House

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Wisdom, I'm town.

You're really bad at this game.

Where the fuck is Xay?

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Where is Xay?

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Beetlejuice...

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I've already found Wgeurts scum.

What have you done Wisdom?

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@House - Second time you've done that you scummy fuck.

Math, vote House please.

Wax is really bad town.

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What have you done?

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So, no scum-hunting...is that what you're saying?

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I just asked you what you've done...you mentioned no scum-hunting.

Have I missed something?

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Alchemist is doing very little and skating by.

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That sounds good to me.

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Kelbris might be scum.

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Man, I have no clue who to vote for. Considering the fact that there are several different wagons each with their own merits, I will have to think this through.

Nice of you to jump to conclusions.

How did it go when you 'thought it through'?

What were the merits for each wagon?

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I'm most confident in Wgeurts being scum.

The remaining scum is probably in House/Kelbris/Guille/Shinobi

I don't have a read on Shinobi, like, he doesn't really do anything so I find it hard to get a read on him. He could go either way.

My only confident town-reads are Titus/Math/Wax. Vyse is probably town as well, but not as strong as the previous three.

Alchemist is town by PoE, unless Wgeurts is town. Then Alch is scum.

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The only thing I dislike from the Wax slot is Xay's lack of interaction/interest in the game.

Other than that, I like them for town.

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Hi Xay,

What are your reads?

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What's your reasoning behind Kelbris & House scum?

Dodgy is pretty much conf town by the way from the way his wagon built up.

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He was at L-2 for a long time w/ no CW.

It would seem scum were happy to allow that wagon to go through so Dodgy is very likely town.

You don't think town make bad pushes? What exactly about House's push makes him scum?

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What is your read on Wgeurts?

I know you said you saw my reasoning for my scum-read on him but what do you think about him?

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Hmm, I usually scum-read you Xay and I'm not this time.

Do you know why that might be? Why aren't you looking scummy to me?

PEdit - He did indeed.

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OK.

First, it looked like I was about to come under heat with numerous players expressing suspicion over my slot. Wguerts defends me based on meta. He says 'BBT is town'. This part is important, he states I am town.

He promises catch-up after catch-up. These never come. He begins a thorough catch-up, but it doesn't last past 4/5 pages. This is a weak effort to look town IMO.

When I questioned him about his meta read on me, he said he is having difficulty reading me based off of meta. Do you not see the inconsistency here? He was sure enough I was town to stick his neck out and defend me based on meta, now he is using

that exact same meta

to say that he isn't sure about his read on me and is trying to backtrack on his early defence of me by claiming he doesn't need to town-read someone to defend them, just that he has to think they're not scum. He explicitly said 'BBT is town' so this backtrack is scummy in itself.

I questioned him on what meta he used and his comments are nowhere near accurate. He said I was lurking in a game that I was the top poster for, this clearly shows he hasn't actually read the meta. Therefore, if he hasn't read the meta, how the hell can he use it to defend me?

There are other inconsistencies with his meta-reading that I have pointed out if you want to go back and have a look.

PEdit - Wisdom, your reads are so bad. They're so bad that you're relying on associatives to form scum-reads on D1. That's weak as hell.

Xay, can you sort your hydra out please. Wisdom is really bad, he needs help.

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Shinobi cannot be scum with Alch/wgertz, BBT.

Forgot about that.

Wgeurts it is.

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Hmm, I completely forgot about Dave.

I thought he was dead for some reason...

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I'm here.

Wax, the conversation with Insanity never developed because she refused to engage me.

Dave could be scum. Starting to think Alch could be scum as well but that would mean I was wrong on Wguerts which seems unlikely.

Wax, why do you keep double posting? I know it's not on purpose but it's fucking annoying.

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Dave's voting D1 was pretty bad.

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Did you see his reason for voting me?

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His timing was also pretty bad.

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Slammed with work and stuff with the kids.
Only 5 pages though so it's not too horrible.

BBT went nuts and kinda panicked over a couple of votes. That's a response I've seen from him as scum before.

VOTE: BBT

He couldn't answer where he had seen me do this either.

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Why what?

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Titus, you don't want to respond to me?

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Game is too long.

Losing interest.

Might post something substantial another time.

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Is anyone at L-1?

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Dave is L-1?

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Who is biggest wagon?

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VOTE: Guille

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Nah, this Day needs to end.

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For the record, Dave is more likely to flip scum than Guille.

Come at me.

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Wax, if you're scum I'll not be pleased.

VOTE: Dave

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Wgeurts is on this wagon though...ugh

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I think you're wrong.

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I could see Alch!Scum. Not as much as Wguerts though

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I think Dave is scummier than Guille though.

I just want this day to end. If someone puts Guille to L-1, I'll hammer him. I'm not stating intent either.

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I want to survive as town all the time.

Have never got the 'survival = scum' thing. Same for defensiveness.

PEdit - Could be confident scum.

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Wow, so Kelbris is very likely scum.

I would absolutely flash-wagon Kelbris.

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Course we are.

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Yeah.

Scummy wagon that.

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Math, can you vote Dave please?

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Because Dave is likely scum?

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You realise that Wgeurts didn't vote Guille, right?

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Your reads Dave?

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You can.

You can judge Kelbris from his posting forgetting he is new.

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Not sure why you have MathBlade and wgeurts as scum here, care to explain it more?

You said this after I presented my case on Wgeurts (which involved his bad meta dive)

Why has that changed now?

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I'm voting a scum read in guille. Wax is correct that my play is subpar but wrong about the reason, and I have them as town. Has wax been consistent in naming only group scum? I remember a fixation on trying to pair people, but can't remember offhand if they've had other non-grouped reads.

I have felt wgeurts is off the whole game, varying between null and scum. The meta thing was awful. Alchemist could be scum. Dodgy, Titus, House, BBT town. Math lean town but there are occasionally questionable things. Shinobi is a mystery, could go either way. Kelbris reads as new, I'd like to rely on something other than new to make a read from.

Not sure why you have MathBlade and wgeurts as scum here, care to explain it more?

You said this after I presented my case on Wgeurts (which involved his bad meta dive)

Why has that changed now?

3000 posts but no development on my reasoning for Wgeurts scum. You used the meta as reasoning, that hasn't changed over 3000 posts. So, yeah, not buying that.

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Quoted wrong post there.

Meant to quote 3509

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Stuff happened, correct.

However, nothing happened regarding changes in the meta dive that Wgeurts did. So, there is no reason for your opinion on that matter to change. Also, the fact you actually tried to use those 3,000 posts as reasoning for your change in opinion shows a huge inconsistency in your reads that you're unable to back up.

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Titus, what do you make of Dave's recent read and reasoning for that read on Wgeurts?

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Oh and the fact meta is shit.

Let's not forget that.

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Of course you haven't.

Care to explain why you don't have a problem with it?

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Can someone explain what has happened because I'm fucking confused as fuck right now.

First, if Titus was protected by all 3 elements, then how could she be killed?

Second, why is everyone saying Wgeurts is town?

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Wow, I actually just posted my vote.

PEdit saved me.

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I just thought we should at least give everyone a chance to post.

The speed of the wagon and lack of resistance is worrying though.

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I don't think the Mod told us the element that was used for the N1 kill...

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Hmm, actually, I'm not sure now.

I originally thought that because scum were killed by a building collapsing...which would make sense if SK chose Earth to kill Insanity with.

Yeah, lets wait and see what Mod says.

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House is scum.

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Wow, you're actually going to pretend you don't know what you just did? Haha.

Wait, let me guess. How the hell was you supposed to know someone was at L-1 already...amiright?

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You made sure everyone could see that you were 'catching up' as well.

Scummy hammers are scummy.

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May as well reveal what my idea was now that the hammer has been dropped. I was thinking that the element was WATER, notice the poison that was in the picture (the guy drinking from a bottle), a very subtle hint if true. I propose that IF Alch flips town, that tomorrow we go after Vyse since he would have been the doctor that failed to protect Titus.

I had that exact line of thinking.

If Alch is town, Vyse HAS to be scum and is tomorrow's obvious lynch.

Then we lynch House.

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I am up for lynching one of the more lurker-ish slots.

Kelbris or Guille sounds good.

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Shit, that was quick.

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VOTE: House

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VOTE: Guille

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Does it matter on order? Can you both come onto the Guille wagon please?

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Cba.

Wanna lynch Kelbris/Guille now.

VOTE: Kelbris

Thought we had more votes on Guille wagon than Kelbris wagon.

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Just hammer.

Mala, I'm up for a quick NP again.

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If Kelbris is town, we lynch Guille tomorrow.

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VOTE: Guille

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VOTE: House

I'm going to be annoyed if I should have stuck with my original scum-read.

I'm not moving off of House toDay.

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Yeah, those lynches were lined up pretty well for scum.

It's House or Math for me. Vyse and Wgeurts are town, and Dodgy is town as well.

I'm debating whether it could be Wax due to Xay's complete lack of interaction with the game.

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Prob not Wax actually because that means all 3 scum were on ABR wagon.

It's House or Math.

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Wax, it's unlikely Dodgy is scum because of no counterwagon on D1 when he got run up to L-2 or whatever it was.

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Doesn't matter.

We got the last scum.

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If House, isn't trolling it's Math.

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If dodgy is scum, why was there no CW D1?

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OK, so what were scum doing while there buddy was being run up?

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Spoiler: VCA

Official Vote Count

kelbris

(7):

insanity018

, House,

BlueBloodedToffee

, Wax, MathBlade,

SilverWolf

,

wgeurts

SilverWolf

(2):

Grib

,

kelbris

MathBlade

(1):

davesaz

wgeurts

(1):

Alchemist21

Alchemist21

(1): dodgy56

dodgy56

(1):

guille2015

Not Voting

(3):

VysePresident, Titus, Flames682

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Official Vote Count

kelbris

(6):

insanity018

,

BlueBloodedToffee

, MathBlade,

SilverWolf, wgeurts, Flames682

Flames682

(4): Wax,

Titus, kelbris

, dodgy56

MathBlade

(1):

davesaz

wgeurts

(1):

Grib

BlueBloodedToffee

(1):

Alchemist21

dodgy56

(1):

guille2015

Not Voting

(2):

VysePresident

, House

Official Vote Count

Flames682

(5):

Titus, kelbris

, dodgy56,

insanity018

,

SilverWolf

dodgy56

(3):

VysePresident

, Wax,

BlueBloodedToffee

kelbris

(3): MathBlade,

wgeurts, Flames682

MathBlade

(1):

davesaz

wgeurts

(1):

Grib

BlueBloodedToffee

(1):

Alchemist21

Not Voting

(2):

guille2015

, House

Official Vote Count

dodgy56

(4):

VysePresident

, Wax,

BlueBloodedToffee, kelbris

Flames682

(4):

Titus

, dodgy56,

insanity018

,

SilverWolf

kelbris

(2): MathBlade,

Flames682

MathBlade

(1):

davesaz

wgeurts

(1):

Grib

BlueBloodedToffee

(1):

Alchemist21

Not Voting

(3):

guille2015, wgeurts,

House

Official Vote Count

[b

]dodgy56

[/b] (3):

VysePresident

, Wax,

kelbris

wgeurts

(3):

Shinobi, BlueBloodedToffee

,

davesaz

[/b]

Flames682

(3): dodgy56,

insanity018

,

SilverWolf

BlueBloodedToffee

(3):

Alchemist21

,

Titus,

House

kelbris

(1):

Flames682

Not Voting

(3): MathBlade,

guille2015, wgeurts

Official Vote Count

dodgy56

(4):

VysePresident

, Wax,

kelbris, wgeurts

Flames682

(3): dodgy56,

insanity018

,

SilverWolf

BlueBloodedToffee

(3):

Alchemist21

,

Titus

, House

wgeurts

(2): BlueBloodedToffee,

davesaz

MathBlade

(1):

Shinobi

kelbris

(1):

Flames682

Not Voting

(2): MathBlade,

guille2015

Official Vote Count

dodgy56

(5):

VysePresident

, Wax,

kelbris, wgeurts,

MathBlade

wgeurts

(2):

BlueBloodedToffee,

davesaz

[/b]

Flames682

(2):

insanity018

,

SilverWolf

BlueBloodedToffee

(2):

Alchemist21

,

Titus

MathBlade

(1):

Shinobi

VysePresident

(1): House

kelbris

(1):

Flames682

Not Voting

(2): dodgy56,

guille2015

Official Vote Count

dodgy56

(7):

VysePresident

, Wax,

kelbris, wgeurts,

MathBlade,

SilverWolf

,

davesaz

Flames682

(3):

insanity018

, House,

guille2015

BlueBloodedToffee

(2):

Alchemist21

,

Titus

MathBlade

(1):

Shinobi

wgeurts

(1):

BlueBloodedToffee

kelbris

(1):

Flames682

Not Voting

(1): dodgy56

Official Vote Count

dodgy56

(6):

VysePresident

, Wax,

kelbris

, MathBlade,

SilverWolf

,

davesaz

Flames682

(3):

insanity018

, House,

guille2015

[b

]BlueBloodedToffee

[/b] (2):

Alchemist21

,

Titus

MathBlade

(1):

Shinobi

wgeurts

(1):

BlueBloodedToffee

davesaz

(1):

wgeurts

Not Voting

(2): dodgy56,

Flames682

Official Vote Count

davesaz

(4): Wax, House,

guille2015, SilverWolf

MathBlade

(3):

insanity018

,

Titus

,

Alchemist21

dodgy56

(3):

VysePresident

,

kelbris, wgeurts

wgeurts

(3): BlueBloodedToffee

, MathBlade, dodgy56

BlueBloodedToffee

(1):

davesaz

Not Voting

(2):

Shinobi, Flames682

Official Vote Count

Titus

(4):

BlueBloodedToffee,

Wax,

SilverWolf

, MathBlade

MathBlade

(3):

insanity018

,

Titus

,

Alchemist21

dodgy56

(3):

VysePresident

,

kelbris, wgeurts

wgeurts

(2): dodgy56,

Albert B. Rampage

davesaz

(2): House,

guille2015

BlueBloodedToffee

(1):

davesaz

Not Voting

(1):

Shinobi

Official Vote Count

Albert B. Rampage

(9): Wax,

Titus, SilverWolf,

insanity018, Alchemist21

,

kelbris, Shinobi,

dodgy56,

Albert B. Rampage

wgeurts

(2): BlueBloodedToffee

,

davesaz

davesaz

(2): House,

guille2015

dodgy56

(2):

VysePresident, wgeurts

Titus

(1): MathBlade

Not Voting

(0):

None.

3rd to last VC pretty much makes Math town.

Fuck, if it's not House it must be Wax.

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Official Vote Count

davesaz

(4): Wax, House,

guille2015, SilverWolf

MathBlade

(3):

insanity018

,

Titus

,

Alchemist21

dodgy56

(3):

VysePresident

,

kelbris, wgeurts

wgeurts

(3): BlueBloodedToffee

, MathBlade, dodgy56

BlueBloodedToffee

(1):

davesaz

Not Voting

(2):

Shinobi, Flames682

For clarity purposes, it's this VC.

Math is town.

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Official Vote Count

dodgy56

(7):

VysePresident

, Wax,

kelbris, wgeurts,

MathBlade,

SilverWolf

,

davesaz

Flames682

(3):

insanity018

, House,

guille2015

BlueBloodedToffee

(2):

Alchemist21

,

Titus

MathBlade

(1):

Shinobi

wgeurts

(1):

BlueBloodedToffee

kelbris

(1):

Flames682

Not Voting

(1): dodgy56

Which means it's very likely that Wax is the scum on the dodgy wagon.

I got you Wax.

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Given I'm town, there is still no scum-driven wagon to the Scum!Dodgy lynch. Scum seem comfortable, insanity is sitting on Flames and Alchemist sat on me.

There is no effort from scum to push a lynch anywhere else. In fact, I would say scum had spread themselves across 3 separate wagons.

You're not re-evaluating your read on me. No matter what I do. You have to be scum.

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This will be funny if House was trolling and he is scum.

Unlikely though. His last posts feel like they come from town.

Please lynch Wax tomorrow.

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Only one scum? When it looks likely their 'scum-buddy' is about to be lynched.

Why did Alchemist not join the Flames wagon?

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WHY HASN'T XAY BEEN IN THIS GAME?????

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He's been busy all game...

I don't expect him to keep up with you. I do expect him to contribute though.

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He's active elsewhere as well.

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I hate myself.

If you're scum, I'm gonna be pissed.

When you post, I think you're town. VCA says you're likely to be scum. I don't like that Xay isn't contributing either.

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No CW though.

No CW. Anywhere. Scum were comfortable.

Whatever.

Lynch Wax and Dodgy and we win. Math is town.

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Flames only had one scum on. And that scum started it, they didn't even jump on it to push a CW to dodgy.

Alch was pretty much confirmed scum. You would have had to bus him.

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Nah, Wgeurts was confirmed town w/ Shinobi.

Vyse was fairly obviously town.

Alch was the scum from the PR's. You had to bus. He was most suspicious by PoE, nothing that you did.

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Show me.

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Yes, she did.

She said dodgy was acting like she was in her first game AS town. That implies she knew he was town.

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Lynch Wax and Dodgy and we win.

Math is town from VC I showed yesterday.

I'll hammer when everyone is ready.

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Where's Wax?

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Haha.

VOTE: Dodgy

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Thanks for Modding Mala/Huntress.

Great game, really enjoyed it.

Town kind of started shooting themselves in the foot and I was probably one of the main factors for that so I apologise. Dodgy, you did well to last so long. At start of D2 it wasn't looking great for scum so to get to D7 is pretty impressive.

My reads were pretty bad this game as well which is always disappointing.

Regardless, really enjoyable game. Thanks everyone!