Open 590: Diffusion of Power (Town Win)
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This guy knows.
This guy doesn't.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 29, Green Crayons wrote:
Didn't you recently say you were going to do this when you, in fact, rolled scum?
Please confirm/deny truthfully, I don't want to do research.
Umm, maybe? I don't know...Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Instead of posturing, you should go ahead and jump on my wagon.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 50, Mentor wrote:In post 47, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:You seemed nervous to vote.
I'm going to take that as a newb scum tell.
How is not being familiar with how the game works "nervous"? That's really silly...
In post 48, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:What are your thoughts on the other players who have posted so far?
So far, I don't like you.
Hop onto my wagon then.
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I mean, you saw this happen right?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 73, Mentor wrote:In post 70, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I voted you because of your nervousness about placing a vote/enquiry into people placing votes.
You say this now. Why didn't you say that then? Why didn't you offer this explanation when asked, instead of telling me to go look at someone else's reasons?
Sometimes, a naked vote achieves more than an explained vote.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 108, ChriVi wrote:We should probably wait for a VC before putting more votes on big wagons please... No need for an accidental page 5 lynch that leaves us with no information for tomorrow.
P-Edit: Not_Mafia, we could totally do that this game but we had some whiney asshole complaining about it a while back so we don't by default. We could again if you'd like us to (we much prefer it ourselves).
P-P-Edit: BBT, this account is a hydra of two people (Chrivi and Viomi, links to our accounts in our signature)
I'm pretty sure my lynch would not be 'accidental'.
My wagon has scum on it. I'm gonna start figuring out who it is.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 126, Antihero wrote:i have actually read the thread and i see that i'm in grievous error
VOTE: ChriVi
Reasons?
In post 127, Randomnamechange wrote:
BBT is at l-2 with 18 hours to deadline, chop chop or we no lynch
VOTE: BBT
Why?
Why?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 149, Green Crayons wrote:
Now, I'll ask a not-too-random sampling of@BBT,@random,and@Not_Mafia: how do you feel about Creative, and this particular quotation from 142? Please compare what he's saying here with his positions on players in Post 132.
Creative is town, I'm liking their posts so far.
151 - I like pretty much everything in this post except;In post 151, Antihero wrote:
THERE'S THE BONUS that the vote just happens to be on a popular candidate, bbt, and they FAIL to mention the elephant in the room that is the other reasons people are giving for voting him. it's obvious that they read the thread before making the post so why not at least acknowledge it?
Isn't this exactly what you did at start of Day?
In post 155, ChriVi wrote:
GTFO of our game you piece of trash
Check Chrimi's join date; We've run into several suicidal players and almost every single one has flipped scum.
God we're blacklisting you as soon as this game is over..
Agree with NM, this feels fake.
In post 168, House wrote:
The easy explanation is that Mentor is newb and uncertain on game mechanics. Do they not strike you as newb? I think you're overanalyzing and making assumptions.
This.
Have you finished catching up, House?
In post 170, killapenwin wrote:
@all: start attaching reasoning to your votes, when you vote or risk being misread as scum.
The word 'misread' is setting off every single alarm in my head. Like, that pinged me so hard when I read it.
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In post 178, killapenwin wrote:I'm guessing what you did not like about it is that you have already thrown naked votes about, saying it pinged for you is a little non descriptive can you explain what it is that you don't like about it?
Sure;
In post 176, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 170, killapenwin wrote:
@all: start attaching reasoning to your votes, when you vote or risk being misread as scum.
The word 'misread' is setting off every single alarm in my head. Like, that pinged me so hard when I read it.
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In post 182, Randomnamechange wrote:This game confuses me. BBT should be dead, bur isn't. Why not?
Mentor, creative, GC and penwin are probs town
House is confirmed town.
GC and Killa are town because...
House is town because...
In post 189, Green Crayons wrote:@BBT:After taunting people into voting you, and then promising to hunt scum off of your wagon, you've instead voted Killa for five words ("risk being misread as scum").
Why would BBT-town do this?
I wasn't sure whether the game had actually started or not when I was at L-1. When Mod posted official VC I saw I only had 3 votes, I don't really see the point in looking at who voted me before the game had actually started; especially when some of those people have pursued other options since.
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In post 183, killapenwin wrote:
That doesn't offer any explanation and neither does the original vote, you have drawn the conclusion it is scummy (I assume you think it is scummy since you have voted for me over everything else that has happened so far) without giving any logic as to why it is scummy. Why do you have alarm bells about it? What is it about the statement that sets it off?
If you don't think it is scummy then why have you voted me for it?
^ This is exactly the kind of lazy voting I was telling people not to do.
It's scummy because this post implies the people who have naked voted so far are town and should not be naked voting in case they aremisreadas scum.
Like, scum can naked vote. Your post implies that only town have done so this game.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 170, killapenwin wrote:
@all: start attaching reasoning to your votes, when you vote or risk being misread as scum.
This is the post I was talking about. Not the one I actually responded to.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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I'd like to see them.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 195, Green Crayons wrote:Taunting-into-votes more likely to come from scum alignment for reasons Chriv explained.
"Oh I'm just going to scum hunt off of my wagon that is obviously on town because it is on me" = scum excuse to help explain away taunting.
Assuming BBT-scum, jumping away from wagon on self is good, because it is a wagon on scum and therefore probably filled with town; and here, it was accomplished by seizing on a "slip" of a player who hasn't really contributed to the game = easy distraction.
Chriv's explanation is flawed because it's based on the assumption I was actually trying to get lynched; which would be dumb.
Townie's don't scum-hunt off their wagons when they get run-up?
So, it's scummy to scum-hunt off my wagon and then it's scummy to jump away from my wagon...you can't have it both ways. Which one is it?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 198, killapenwin wrote:
Wrong, it just means I'm not willing to tolerate naked votes at all. There isn't some backwards logic to it and if I were scum, what reason would I have warn town not to naked vote? Surely it would be easier (as scum) to put a vote on someone for naked voting than to be drawn into a debate of why naked voting is bad?
What are your thoughts on naked voting, good or bad? Why? Give examples.
Wrong. It has nothing to do with your toleration of naked votes and everything to do with your observation of the alignments of the people making those votes.
Again, how do you know you're warning town? For all you know, it could be scum who made the naked votes.
I dislike naked voting. Which is funny, because I do it a lot. Usually though, I provide my reasoning afterwards. Absolute naked voting with no explanation is a pet hate of mine.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 210, inte wrote:btt is lynch bait
crayon is dumb or scum
penguin sounds like scum
i think i got this game wrapped up boys
Yeah, I can see the thought progression there.
You wanna expand? Or you know, place a vote where your scum-reads are?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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GC investigated Random N1 by the looks of it.
Random is probably town.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Why is inte town?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 341, Newbie wrote:Why do you think inte and I are town and BBT is possibly one of the mafia?
Why are you interested in yourself, inte and myself and excluding NM and House?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 343, House wrote:In post 342, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 341, Newbie wrote:Why do you think inte and I are town and BBT is possibly one of the mafia?
Why are you interested in yourself, inte and myself and excluding NM and House?
Why are you interested in Newbie's self-interest?
Point of question was the exclusion of yourself and NM.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 459, Not_Mafia wrote:Doesn't really matter but
@dave what night doctor was droog
VOTE: BBT This is long overdue now
It is? Why?
In post 460, Not_Mafia wrote:Don't rule out House+Mentor scumteam btw, having said that I don't think they're the scum team.
That's some nice fluff. Why even mention they could be scum if you don't think they're scum? That's so weird.
In post 462, Mentor wrote:not_mafia is not guilty.
In post 463, Not_Mafia wrote:Is that a cop result?
This interaction is off and I can't put my finger on why. Something is going on there. My initial though was scum claiming an innocent on a buddy, but that is pretty dangerous play at this point of the game.
Think am gonna do this
VOTE: Not_MafiaMeta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 485, Not_Mafia wrote:In post 476, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 460, Not_Mafia wrote:Don't rule out House+Mentor scumteam btw, having said that I don't think they're the scum team.
That's some nice fluff. Why even mention they could be scum if you don't think they're scum? That's so weird.
You can honestly think of no reason I would bring this up?
Not if you're going to discredit the very thing you just said right after...no.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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