Open 672: Friends and Enemies and Enemies: Music on a whim

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@TRG Thoughts on drealmerz as on rn?

I have none, dude just replaced in an hasn't posted anything I viewed as worthy of feedback

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Why the fuck didn't you do that the Day before? Or during night?

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Well at the time, further actions by him made me continuously doubt my gut after I made the statement in 1711 and voted away.

As for Revan, he keeps the statement that he will do something but never does. Hasn't done anything really

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So, TTTT was Joey who pushed a mason claim so I'm doubting TTTT is a mason, also because of Joey, that is a lock town slot for me.
I will explain why in like, a week? Basically what we saw was Joeys town game.

I'll report back when I find the last townie-ex-mason for gamesolve

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if you're not town hunting I don't care for your concerns. It's a waste of breath at this point.

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Let's kill BL instead.

Do you have an actual scum read or do you push anyone besides you?

Also as I was reading SH said it was like L2, I didn't personally check and it was actually L-1.

I will say tho that blaming Lowell is moreso protecting my pride. Most of it is more than likely just me not trusting myself and thinking, no I was right before.

Just overall bad play on my part. Posting less today because I actually want to think of what I'm saying before saying it; this comes from the fact that when I first responded about Lowell, I went off of memory and told a narrative that made it go "oh this wan't really my fault."

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I'm having trouble getting shit done because people keep replacing out. It's hard getting a read on someone and then also trying to build the road map of who was who and replaced what and thought this or that.

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basically dreal is saying you're micro managing the thread which is lame

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@gin

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LQ, he was banned from joining new games, ban was set in place after he joined this one so he's fair game.

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Where the fuck is he honestly?

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I did believe TB was mason, I just wasn't sure of his read on you was because you're mason or he townreads you.

I'm going to assume you're Mason, I'm going to do some ranking Wednesday to sort out everything

I'm annoyed but my votes on the slot if it's Thursday and shit hasn't been done

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will unvote Revan if he can tell me who town are.

This doesn't make sense. You either scum read someone or you dont.

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I thought of the idea as well but said we shouldn't do it unless the masons come to the consensus that they want too

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It's Thursday Night, nothing from Revan.

Intent to hammer

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Sorry guys I've been really busy with band festival, I haven't touched a pc in days.

This game is my first priority tomorrow, if I don't get to it you can lynch me.

Why does this post come only after I intend to hammer >_>

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Sorry, that second one was ill-phrased. I think he's scum and doesn't know what to do, and that's why he's having "trouble making time" for the game. If he's town, all he has to do is show up and honestly answer questions to probably make it obvious he's town, and he isn't willing to do that.

This >_>

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ITT: Assuming Revan is a competent player and attacking him for such

Assuming Revan can't produce a single thought or understand basic human communication

>_>

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PoE.

Disappearing and being busy (it's easier to make time when you aren't coming back to being massively scumread) as soon as his position becomes obviously untenable to everyone except you.

Deciding that I'm definitely not a mason -> thinkbig flips mason -> "oh I guess laud is definitely mason" -> "did you think thinkbig was fakeclaiming?" -> "no"

Poe - More convenient on your part than anything he could do I agree
2 - Revan has been dodging questions consistently throughout the game. Even those that were straightforward.
3 - And this helps scum!Revan because? This is more likely to come from town!Revan who is just bad

well as said before I'm hammering if by tonight if he doesn't produce input, as this is the 4th time he's promised to do this

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2 - He has provided input. He has a fucking meta for dodging quesitons and just playing the way he does.
3 - And you're just not gonna consider him being bad?

TTTT is town, as Joey_, CloudKicker is a lurksack, ghoster as scum. I know I'm town and if you're not a mason and you're telling me he is town, then that means you are scum.

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So Tenshii, you scum or is Revan or both?

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Revan, I'm Nebula >_>

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So I'm the last VT alive. Cool beans

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That's a scum claim.
VT has no need to claim at day start
when that only forces masons to out
But thanks to Gin not realizing this we can actually go to night without them claiming now
VOTE: Gin

So this implies that you're not a VT nor a mason, since there is one VT slot left, that means you're scum.

Also it's well known since yesterDay that I've been claiming VT and hunted the last two VTs

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TTTT are you a mason? If not you got my vote

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Here's the thing. We got a VT, two masons, two WW, and one Mafia.

Town needs to hang a WW So they two teams will try and crossfire each other, town wins.

If we lynch the last mafia, then WW kills the last townie and win by majority.

At this point, once the masons claims, it's laid out clear as day who the 3 scum are. After that, we hunt for a WW, as it's our only chance of winning.

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Gin why should I believe you're the last VT?

I used the fact that I was a VT to hunt Revan and figure out Tenshii was scum using that method.

That I've been actively set up breaking to get us to the point where we are now.

I've been pretty honest and transparent about my play.

Really any concerns you can bring up and I can answer.

If Cass was here she would ask you to look at my play when I thought I was lynched and how it was "town reaction"

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That's the weird part.

What's hella crazy is that you had legit scum cases D1 by scum lol

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Ah okay, I'm going to do VCA later on and see if I can pinpoint each team.

As of right now I think Tenshii is partnered with Revan as he was desperate to protect that doomed slot

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Great, now I gotta deal with the fucking white flag gambit

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Tenshii hard defended Revan, I just cant see that coming from the opposite team as that would have been an easy lynch to boost your numbers.

Tenshii is the last scum, Werewolfs are Superhans and TTTT

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VOTE: Superhans

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Lynch Mafia, Werewolves win
Lynch town, Town becomes a kingmaker
Lynch Werewolf, town has the smallest chance of winning.

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You.

Tenshii seems like obvious mafia partner for Revan

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Mate. TTTT wants me deaded and counterclaimed VT >_>

The real VT is within myself and TTTT, Hans a WW, no doubt.

Also hans voted for no lynch which is an auto scum win.

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The thing here is, there is 3 scum aligned players and 3 town.

Laud, eager, and I have no actual say. The only thing we can bank on is lynching a WW, and Tenshii, that's where you come in.

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your only actual chance is lynching a werewolf, otherwise you'll be shot tonight and you lose.

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either or really

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Here's the thing. You could gambit claiming hard maf and be a wolfie poo.

You still pose knowledge I don't.

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I have to trust a lying sack of shit, and understandably, that's a tough position to be put in

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Also, if you're hardclaiming maf, that means TTTT and Hans are both WW's. SO, when we want to lynch a WW, and Hans is at L-1, that's where you come in.

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>_>

There is no room for him not to be

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I know, but paranoia's a bitch.

Also this is a fucked set up when town isn't allowed to mislynch at all in order to win.

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How the fuck was this an approved set up

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STILL

one of the golden rules is that if optimal play by one alignment swings the set up massively, it's unbalanced as fuck.

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long story short, fuck multiball

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I mean yeah I can understand that. I called both Hans and Joey/TTTT town and in hindsight way to go me

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VOTE: TTTT

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Let's goooooo

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Realizing it's all an exercise in futility.

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Tenshii/Revan makes sense tho >_>

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So who's scum and who's the pairing?

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Two things could happen.

The first thing that could happen is town becomes a kingmaker

The second is that both the WW and the mafia no lynch and try to get one or the other to kill the townie and he kills the other faction.

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Superhans, I didn't hard defend Revan. That was Tenshii. The only thing I did was wait to hammer like Revan asked because he said he would produce content. I was going to hammer before you did it >_>

P-Edit: What's cute about that post is that I correctly applied knowing I was a VT to deduce that both Revan and Tenshii were scum aligned

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answer my questions.

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Hans >_>

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easy as fuck

{TRG, TTTT, Tenshii}

I agree Tenshii is likely partnered with Revan, but i think our best shot at hitting werewolf would be TTTT or TRG.

VOTE: TTTT

Scum Tenshii + TTTT
Mafia TRG + Revan

makes sense because all throughout D2 TRG was hard defending Rev, even until the end.

lol

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1) Why didn't you vote Revan when he was your largest scum suspect?
2) Give me an example to back up the ridiculousl claim that it is known from the get go that you have been hunting town. i don't think i've heard any other player every say this.

I'm going to yawn every time a question can be answered by my ISO.

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Can't be partnered with anyone when you don't have partners >_>

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Well actually what had hap-

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can you answer questions on mechanics? or is that too boring too?

Depends on the question, as it literally depends on if I've answered your questions before or not.

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Well, the possibilities is that both masons die. Literally killing me is a fool's errand because, if I die, that means the masons knows for a fact who the scum are.

Then there is the possibility that scum try to kill each other but then that means there is one WW left and 3 town and GG town.

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A No lynch promises a Werewolf win possibility by counterclaiming the last VT.
A No lynch promises a Mafia loss

Deadass I still think it's a SH and TTTT Werewolf team and and Tenshii is the mafia.

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The only chance I can see Mafia winning this game is

Lynch Werewolf
1v1v3
Mafia kills WW
WW kills a mason
Then it's 1v2 and a floating VT claim.

With that said, its suicide for Werewolf to not kill the mafia as that opens them up to be shot also by the Mafia and have mafia be the last one in the game.

The best part tho, is that Tenshii claimed Mafia, he's confirmed not town. So if he doesn't die, that's the conf!lynch in a LyLo.

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For the record. It will be quite clear who is and isn't the last WW after each one of them kills each other.

The thing is Laud will scum read through the night.
Then you have eagerSnake who town reads me and most likely will throughout the night.

That means if Laud is the mason that dies, the Werewolves lose as eager town reads me and the werewolf will be the last alive

If eager is alive, the only thing that will occur is some WIFOM LyLo paranoia but as of current reads, the werewolf will lose. So he won't take this risk.

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DUDE

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DEAD ASS, AS LONG AS THERE IS A FACTIONAL KILL ALIVE, THE GAME CARRIES ON

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THERE IS NO DRAW

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OH LOOK. I FUCKING CALLED IT

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TELL THAT TO FUCKING LAUD

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VOTE: TTTT

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Fuck this set up

Fuck this game

It's all bullshit

Fuck it all

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So if I die, is it a draw for all 3 factions?

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Kinda want to self vote

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Tenshii, why don't you want to win?

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VOTE: Tenshii

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Always play to win

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Part of a team, not a solo man

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I'm town ya dunce

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I cant bloody shoot you. I'm teaching you a lesson that if you have an opportunity to win you always take it.

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I essentially kingmakered in your favor and you backed out of a win.

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If you vote TTTT, then I vote TTTT

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Your loss

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Superhans played against his wincoin and self lynched when there was a possibility for his faction to win.

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No cross kills, both double kills.

1 town mistake vs a perfect scum game and that's all it takes to tip the scales

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When you knew the optimal play but were too scum read at the time to push it through

So, there are 4 scum in this game. The rest being townies 4lyfe

So 12v4(2v2)
If we mislynch its:
11v4
If we have two townies die
9v4
That means town is at LyLo for majority power.
Correct Lynching and then kills give us
7v3 and we're at LyLo cycle again.

If we No Lynch
10v4 and the town is at MyLo, we get a lynch correct and then two townies die

8v3 and we stay out of MyLo.


No lynch is optimal because it forces scum to kill either townies and we start seeing what pushes were good/bad/flawed/scummy
or
Scum go and kill each other and then we start pulling associative trying to see who is with who.

VOTE: No Lynch

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wait what

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brooooooooooooooooooo

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Wait, so 8v4

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TOWN NEVER HAD LYNCH MAJORITY WHAT THE FUCK

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FUCK THIS SET UP

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wait yeah we did

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I'm never playing multiball again