Mini 586 - Blood Red Mafia - Game Over!

[Riceballtail]

/confirm PM

Already did a thread read (thankfully only 3 pages still for that sense), and I don't have much in suspicion yet.

But to appease:

VOTE: Caf19

Enjoy your vote!

[Riceballtail]

I can't really explain the fact that nobody's voted for me - it's not like other people's votes are my decision.

But to appease:

VOTE: Caf19

That's what it is. I get my random vote as a replacement!

[Riceballtail]

UNVOTE

VOTE:Macavenger

Giving the gift of pressure. Question is, will you buckle or stand strong?

[Riceballtail]

Riceballtail: you jumped on Mac's wagon without providing any real reasoning. Do you actually find him scummy?

Everyone is scummy until proven otherwise. A good method is to apply some pressure and see if they provide any/more scum tells or not.

[Riceballtail]

While I admire the aphoristic tone of this response, it wasn't really a straight answer to my question. Do you actually find Mac to be one of the most suspicious players?

Yes, I do. I also think Mal is starting to get suspicious, but Mac is showing up fairly well on my scumdar.

[Riceballtail]

Everyone is scummy until proven otherwise. A good method is to apply some pressure and see if they provide any/more scum tells or not.

Ok, what made you decide to pressure me specifically, instead of one of the other 10 players in the game?

I chose you as you already had a wagon formed, making it a bit easier than trying to pull four or five people onto a different wagon when you had some scummy behavior.

Is it not possible that malth is a nervous Vanilla? or a Cop or something who it will harm the town to kill?

Defending a scumbuddy?

I am wondering why you are so dead set and over zealously hunting SoW. To me that says a SK or a Scum, or it could just an excited townie, I dunno but I think we need to focus more on solid scumtells like Mac's semantics and dodging than we do what some otherwise townie seeming poster's reactions are to being bandwagoned.

Zealous scumhunting is a very good thing. The idea that someone scumhunting too hard is suspicious is not a good one; see Too Townie. If you think he's making flawed arguments, call him for that, but thinking he's suspicious for trying too hard is not productive.

Reactions to eing wagoned are usually a great way to tell if someone is scum, btw.

Agreed, which is why this was being used on you by me. I have what I want from you now.

I'd just like to say that I think it's legitimate to be concerned about looking scummy as a townie. If you're a townie and you act suspiciously and get yourself lynched, then you've hurt your own team. Of course, if you're worrying about it so much that it prevents you from properly scumhunting or expressing your opinions, then it becomes a problem.

I pretty much agree with this. Town certainly doesn't want to look scummy, but that should be a lower priority for them than finding scum. For scum it's their top priority. I asked that question of Malth not because I think townies shouldn't be worried about it, but again because I wanted to see what kind of response I would get.

I've done this before too. A good strategy to use, and it's done wonders before.

UNVOTE

FoS:Darla

for defending your buddy.

[Riceballtail]

Rice, who do you suspect and why?

Right now, Darla has my highest suspicion, followed by mal. Amor shows up as moderately scummy, but not enough for me to be too concerned... yet.

Darla, as she is constantly "defending" with posts, but I feel like there could be some better help on the scumhunt and less focus on rationalizing other people. She seems quite focused on helping mal, which at minimum leads me to believe she's working with him in some way.

Mal, as many have stated already, has made several scummy statements, and not particularly done anything outside attempt to be defensive. He claims to have knowledge about online games, and yet people are attempting to say he just has "newbie anxiety". I disagree, as even though I haven't completed a game online yet, I know full well after one day that "newbie anxiety" should disappear after a week. If you're still worried about every possible thing you can do to make you scummy, that likely means that you are scum. As we have yet to see him take a very good defense or pro-town move, he indeed shows on my scum radar.

I see a strong link between Darla/Mal... and I don't like it at all. I see Mal having the better wagon right now, but Darla is the one I want to see under fire next.

So, for now,

VOTE: Malthusis

until you start being even remotely pro-town.

[Riceballtail]

@Greasy & Coheed

Who do you think is scum and why? You two have been silent this page. (3 RL days)

[Riceballtail]

Mal has seriously delayed this game. It's a bit irritating. At this point I'd hammer him just for holding us up, despite what others think. I'm just getting a bit irritated with this lack of action. I'd suggest something else, but everyone is so focused on Mal that there's not a lot of point because it will get passed over.

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1)

MOD:

While the deadline is May 9th, what time does it officially end? Time zone included would be a plus.

2) I still advocate a Malth lynch today. Based on what we get out of his death will help to fill my suspicion tables.

3) Darla is still showing high on my radar, but I'm more concerned with finding the likely third member of the team.

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Checking in. Classes have kept me busy. Hoping for a good read tomorrow.

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Based on how the game has proceeded, I still feel OG deserves the lynch, either lurking my choice, or maybe flaking, either way... the failure to provide any sort of defense is bothersome. Based on his role, I will know who I want lynched tomorrow.

My top three scummers: DBE, Gob, Coheed

[Riceballtail]

(A) assuming the other scum

didn't

vote from smoke that leaves:

Amor, popilartajo, greasyspot, xoelf (travis)

I think we should be examining them first.

(B)Maybe I am just that new but why would I as scum kill my own partner? :/

(A) Flawed assumption, never trust that scum will not vote for a scumbuddy.

(B) Because that way, when they turn up scum, you say "hey, see, I rooted out a scum! How could I be scum myself?" and you have a defense to why you shouldn't be lynched. However, this is flawed, as it can easily backfire against you because this is a common tactic. (See "Bussing")

I intend to review everyone again soonish, we'll see.

[Riceballtail]

Due to RL issues, will be LA for a while.

[Riceballtail]

Not seeing a whole lot to convince me otherwise right now, so I'm going with DBE. I wanted to let it slide as best I could, but you have been too scummy for too long.

VOTE: DBE

[Riceballtail]

Rice, who do you suspect and why?

Right now, Darla has my highest suspicion, followed by mal. Amor shows up as moderately scummy, but not enough for me to be too concerned... yet.

Darla, as she is constantly "defending" with posts, but I feel like there could be some better help on the scumhunt and less focus on rationalizing other people. She seems quite focused on helping mal, which at minimum leads me to believe she's working with him in some way.

Mal, as many have stated already, has made several scummy statements, and not particularly done anything outside attempt to be defensive. He claims to have knowledge about online games, and yet people are attempting to say he just has "newbie anxiety". I disagree, as even though I haven't completed a game online yet, I know full well after one day that "newbie anxiety" should disappear after a week. If you're still worried about every possible thing you can do to make you scummy, that likely means that you are scum. As we have yet to see him take a very good defense or pro-town move, he indeed shows on my scum radar.

I see a strong link between Darla/Mal... and I don't like it at all. I see Mal having the better wagon right now, but Darla is the one I want to see under fire next.

So, for now,

VOTE: Malthusis

until you start being even remotely pro-town.

That's from yesterday, I gave the reasons then, and I still find these suspicions to be confirmable. Especially after the flip.

Also,

HOS Greasy & FOS xofelf

for pushing the wagon further. FoS is because you gave rationality, but it's still somewhat of a reach.

[Riceballtail]

Unvote

Vote: xofelf

I want to hear an explanation for the reach, and you haven't given it.

@Darla: Beware LAL. That is all.

[Riceballtail]

LAL = Lynch all Liars

Meta = Looking at other games that the player was/in involved in to judge how their play is different in this game.

I'm still in favor of a DBE lynch, and xofelf is climbing on my scummy list as well. Greasy is beginning to be irritating as well, but that seems to be his playstyle. Coheed could also post more than a few one liners that benefit the town.

[Riceballtail]

Dead person here. I want to see it keep going. Yes I've been watching.

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O_O

I investigated Amor N1 and got an innocent...

You are a Wolf Hunter

During the night, you may choose to kill, protect, block or investigate another player. However, you can’t use any of these actions more than once.

You win when all werewolves are dead.

I used my RB N2, clearly to no avail.