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Let me write something for the record: I am the worse possible candidate for building a case, but I am about 5 for 5 in lynching scum at the moment. I'll preface this post with a playstyle note: I am much better at detecting genuineness through wording, subtle variances in playtsyle, differences between appropriate emotional responses and deceptive compensating and scum psychology, which branches into general tendencies of mafia players, their mind state, their calculated chance of survival in function of their liberty of actions*, the leeway they give to their scum partners' mistakes and so on so forth. A lot of this has become second nature to me and I find it difficult, and exhausting, to re-invent the wheel.
To allow you to follow my thought process, I will present you my ideas and opinions in the best way I can, but please keep in mind that it is no easy feat to surface all the micro-behaviors that automatically register in my scumdar.
I'm not advocating that you should blindly follow me, in fact I am totally against any kind of sheepishness. However, I am positive that I'll be ten times as useful to you in terms of scumhunting than my predecessor. If Near's niche was to convince you he was not scum, my forte would be to actuallyfindyour scum. It is a lucky chain of events that he is the one I am replacing.
Enough chit-chat, let's get down to the meat of this post:
FOS: Dasquian
I'll try not to reiterate what has already been written about this subject and only add precise, original content to his case, but keep in mind I do have blind spots and was forced to speedread this second half of the game.
Let me begin by plucking out specific day1 posts from Dasquian's messy unibrow to provide additional context to my day2 analysis:
The subject, "DAZ", is documented to exhibit "clinginess-to-town" symptoms, that are often a precursor to scumeopathic diseases. In attaching himself to a town under an imminent threat of deadline lynch, I believe he is following the classic mafia playbook to the letter.Dasquian wrote:So you're going to vote Near then, right? Given you think that there's a 68.3% chance I'm bussing him, it follows that you think we're both scum. Near has the bigger bandwagon.
He references the aforementioned book. All joking aside, he is showing subtle signs of knowledge beyond the constrains of what town should know.Dasquian wrote:What? We lynch the claim tracker (as ridiculous as the timing of his claim is, AND IT IS) instead of Mr Scummy Near who has lurked all day and is not posting through L-2 and L-1 now? I say "not posting" rather than lurking now since it's the weekend and anyone gets a break for that in my book.
His quick turnaround on Near is acceptable as a standalone action, but I will return to my "appropriate emotional response" argument, and go so far as to say that he is completely incongruent with this (smart) move.
THE CORE OF THIS POST:
I present you post subject 515 in the timeline, and only 3 days from deadline. This right here is the moneypost.Dasquian wrote:OK. I can get behind that. I was feeling somewhat trapped by my previous conviction on Near and our proximity to the deadline, but in truth I'm going off it a bit.
Unvote, vote DarlaBlueEyes
I did a quick skim of her posts - things that stand out are:
- Continual scumbuddy hunting/logic. She doesn't seem to hunt individual scum so much as look for the pair, and accuse pairs. I'm not sure if this is a scum-tell, but it is pretty weird. It would be a behaviour scum might fall into more readily, given their own constant awareness of scum-mates.
- "A good townsperson wants the mafia gone, and would be searching for them, therefore the most logical reasoning would be that those laying low are either Scum or a Non-Townie. " is something to come back on if DBE shows up scum, given it suggests her scum-mates would have been active at the time.
- Stuff about Coron's claim you've already covered, and I agree with. Seems like it's a cheap shot at Coron to set him up for tomorrow, because you know he's a tracker.
I'll put my vote back on Near to make sure we getalynch if it goes that way, but this feels better. Near, please stay active and comment on as much as you can, you can always be revoted.
From this single post here, the scum have spelled their own downfall; considering DAZ is scum, which we have substantial evidence to believe.
Taking in account the terrible timing of this post (just before the 8 page marathon), we can observe several points of interest from it:
- It is DAZ's first departure from his tunnelvision on Near.
- The recipient of this unexpected attack is DBE.
- DAZ connects DBE to other players, under the assumed prediction that she is scum.
- More predictions on Coron's alignment, in all likelihood under the belief that he will come off as more town as a result.
Now, usually pushing a wagon like this would be the tell of an uninformed, goody goody townie. However, Darla is pushing the wagonbehindGuardian. This basically gives her the alibi of "Guardian did it stronger, harder and faster". So in reality, sheisn'texposing herself; she's setting up a future defensive gambit.
FOS: Darla
So what do we have ? A scumprophet who knows players' alignment, a scumsuccubus that slips herself inside power role wagons. This particular wagon ended in a train wreck, and she is all the more dubious for it.
Furthermore, this post strikes me as two mafia asking each other "do we buss, do we agree, what do we do ?"DarlaBlueEyes wrote:
QFTDasquian wrote:
I agree with you on some very broad principles, that it benefits scum to lay low more than it benefits town. However I think the rest of your thinking is severely, severely flawed.DarlaBlueEyes wrote:ahha, but in reality, a scum knows not to attract attention to themselves, and thus would inhibit less votes for themselves, and thereby winning the game.
on the off chance you get a reckless scum, who gets himself lynched quickly, you can only assume the townspeople are playing it safe in order to not be lynched.
A good townsperson wants the mafia gone, and would be searching for them, therefore the most logical reasoning would be that those laying low are either Scum or a Non-Townie.
Firstly, you are assuming that the scum in this game are good players. This may be true. It's not a safe assumption, though. The last minigame I played we had some impossibly scummy newbie spend days under debate because his actions were so textbook scum. He was scum. Scum make mistakes too.
And even then, if scum don't make mistakes, it's a huge jump to assume they are excellent puppetmasters who can avoid votes all game. Sure, they're better informed and have some buds who are on-side, but it takes mad skills to avoid focus all game.
Thirdly, not getting voted is not a scum-tell even though it benefits scum more directly to not be lynched (ie, town can afford more casualties by game design, scum need to stay not lynched). A good player avoids suspicion whatever his alignment because (Jester roles notwithstanding) italwaysbenefits your win condition not to get lynched. A good scum won't get lynched. Neither will a good townie or SK. If someone isn't getting votes, they could be any of those things. Or...
Finally - it's Day 1. We can only cope with so many people getting talked about in detail at a time - chances are that the less scummy half of the town will get through D1 without too much bother. Yos2 and Singing Librarian aren't getting much focus atm, for example - do I think they should? No. Because there are better people to look at and focus needs precisely that - focus. The fact some people have no votes is indicative of little more than the fact other people have been caught in the spotlight more.
I agree with your views thus why I do not have a FoS on you (the previous was only because of the creepy duck )
I still suspect Mac however.
DBE distancing from Dasquian, but more importantly, she attempts to connect him to mac. Seriously lol,DarlaBlueEyes wrote:I am really not happy with our results, and I feel played.
My results last night, As the watcher, revealed not much, no one else targeted the player that I did.
I am in a toss up as to who I think is scum,
I am very suspicious of a Mac/Dasquain alliance due to the comment (by Mac)
(Post 670)Im still unwilling to vote Dasquian, so you can forget that option.
I am a bit suspicious of Guardian, but not certain of anything at this point.they've gotta stop doing this.
Other minor points on Darla:
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This is hypocrisy at its finest, ladies and gentlemen. She's doing exactly what I predicted she would do (damn I wish I was playing this game real-time so I could place preventive measures to avoid this kind of blatant mafia tactics).DarlaBlueEyes wrote:All that to say Guardian's push for a Coron lynch really seemed out of no where, and his 'Trust Me' well I am afraid I don't have as much trust for him anymore.
(man I feel like I am rambling..sorry =/)
FoS Guardian
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She seems to know a lot about scum.DarlaBlueEyes wrote:ahha, but in reality, a scum knows not to attract attention to themselves, and thus would inhibit less votes for themselves, and thereby winning the game.
3) Her predecessor was not exactly the epitome of townieness either.
4) A watcher is a claim that is unlikely to be counter-claimed. Not only this, but its rare that there is both a tracker and a watcher in a game.
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You'd think I'm finished by now, but there's literally a whole bunch of other stuff I should cover before I leave. For example, I feel that both Dasquian and Darla's attempt at ending the day asap as we speak is yet another major scumtell. They want to preserve their lead at the expense of connecting themselves a little further.*
O.K. so let's recapitulate:
DAZ's main suspect was Near, but he suspects Darla on the side and connects her with some various players.
Darla's main suspect is mac, but she suspects DAZ on the side, and connects him with mac.
Its crystal clear to me that they're both enemies of the state.
I have read Yosarian's case on MBF. I feel his OMGUS argument has been misapplied to Mike. I do not endorse a MBF lynch at all.
In fact, I feel that most of it is nonsense that Yosarian got caught up in. Yosarian, please re-allocate your resources to more meaningful campaigns.
Vote: Dasquian
I hope you all realize the very real threat that these two pose to the town.
If you are SOMEHOW still unconvinced, I am open to discussion, as always.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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For some reason, I changed the tense mid-sentence. All this should be in the past tense:
Yo wassup Joudas.DAZ's main suspect was Near, but he suspects Darla on the side and connects her with some various players.
Darla's main suspect is mac, but she suspects DAZ on the side, and connects him with mac.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I've now extensively reviewed the MBF case and find absolutely nothing worth lynching him for.
On the other hand, Darla and Daz just keep on getting worse.
This is the MafiaWiki definition of a watcher:The Watcher is a somewhat common information role that can target a person at night and learn who targeted that person the same night.Now watch very closely:
DarlaBlueEyes wrote:I targeted Dasquian. I am very suspicious of him and Mac.
I think Guardian could possibly be scum but it doesn't fit as well in my mind.
Near is probably a townie, but could be scum I suppose, though I find it doubtful.
I now wish I hadn't been so suspicious of Coron, but he did play it in a manor that promoted suspicion.Why would you target a player you find suspicious ? Are you looking for power roles ??Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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That's why I'm voting Dasquian.Joudas wrote:I'm open for discussion regarding Dasquian - he's on my 'likely suspects' list right now, but DBE, I think, has claimed honestly. I see your points, but I disagree with them.
Tonight, DBE targets Guardian. If he is killed, we will know who the killer scum is.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Both. Same thing as MBF.Dasquian wrote:Is this a belief that follows from DBE's part in Coron's lynch, or have you gleaned it from his play directly? If so (or even, if not), what do you think of his propensity for switching his vote around so readily?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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What do you think about this quote ?
Joudas wrote:
This, I think, is more a matter of her being new to Mafia and not fully understanding roles and role interactions.Albert wrote:Why would you target a player you find suspicious ? Are you looking for power roles ??Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Are you guys serious ?
Okay...
Yosarian, Joubert, all of ya'll, riddle me this:
Can a power role fail so badly at reading their own role pm as to employ their abilities for the opposite effect ?
This is a grown lady we are talking about here, guys (heck, she's older than me). I find it incredulous to buy into this gambit.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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If Singing Librarian, Pyro and Mac give their support to lynch the Dasquian scum, we will win. No doubt about it. A Dasquian lynch will provoke an unstoppable chain of events leading to three rapid successive scum lynches, and Yosarian is severely misguided if he thinks that he can end the day with another townie killed.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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You being scum is dependent on both DBE and Dasq to be scum as well, from where I stand. Hence, it doesn't serve the town to talk about you. Its not like you're going to kill me tonight anyway, with a cop in the open.Yosarian2 wrote:Albert B. Rampage wrote:I like this "mafia persona" you put on. It makes our jobsomuch easier when you're scum Yosarian.
So, were you going to actually make a case against me, or are you just continue to insist that you're smarter then everyone else and everyone should just follow you blindly?
Dasquian's gotta die for me to win. SingingLibrarian, Pyro and Mac, the game is in your hands now. Make me win or make me lose.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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As it stands, Dasquian will be lynched at deadline, and I am very happy about this.
It was your call, and yours alone. If you were extremely certain that Near was town, then abandoning the wagon was the right thing.mikeburnfire wrote:ABR, is my abandoning of the Near wagon (your predecesor) on Day 1 a bad thing?
My memory sucks.Guardian wrote:Albert, why do you keep not mentioning Joudas? You say we need pyro, mac, sl's, votes, but never mention joudas. why?
Macavenger wrote:Please elaborate on this part of your case, I'm not fully understanding it. Specifically, what are you seeing in that quote by Dasquian that shows knowledge of players' alignment?
Oh, that's because he sides with the already-dead tracker, and sets up Near's lynch the next day; even apprehensive town wouldn't jump on that opportunity with so much certainty.Das wrote: What? We lynch the claim tracker (as ridiculous as the timing of his claim is, AND IT IS)
He also implies that the tracker is town by using the word "ridiculous" instead of a word like "scummy". As in, Dasq knew that Coron was town, and that Coron's play was a stupid mistake, instead of a mafia gambit.
Its not useful to get into this at the moment, but its something I'd like to return to when both Dasq and DBE are proven scum.Macavenger wrote: More generally, could you explain why you think Yosarian is the third member of the scumgroup, specifically as opposed to MBF or PyroDwarf? PyroDwarf in particular seems to fit into your theory better than Yosarian, and be very scummy independent of it, whereas I still don't see much of a case on Yos.
I do not disagree that Pyro should be more closely examined, however I urge you to strongly consider writing off Dasquian for today, especially now that DBE-scum says she wants to lynch Pyro.
First off, I'm really happy that you also think DBE is lying scum.Singing Librarian wrote: "DAZ connects DBE to other players, under the assumed prediction that she is scum." I have read, re-read and triple-read Dasquian's post in question, and nowhere in it can I see this behaviour exhibited. I see Dasquian questioning DBE's method of hunting for scumpairs all the time, but there is no linking of her to other players.
Second, I understand that I was unclear with this important part of my case, so I'll develop on that:
Dasquian says that if DBE shows up scum, it would mean that her partners would have been active at the time. This is unfounded logic, WIFOM, and serves no purpose other than to confuse the town if either of them shows up scum, not to mention that he has no reason to vote for DBE since it isDasquian wrote:OK. I can get behind that. I was feeling somewhat trapped by my previous conviction on Near and our proximity to the deadline, but in truth I'm going off it a bit.
Unvote, vote DarlaBlueEyes
I did a quick skim of her posts - things that stand out are:
- Continual scumbuddy hunting/logic. She doesn't seem to hunt individual scum so much as look for the pair, and accuse pairs. I'm not sure if this is a scum-tell, but it is pretty weird. It would be a behaviour scum might fall into more readily, given their own constant awareness of scum-mates.
-"A good townsperson wants the mafia gone, and would be searching for them, therefore the most logical reasoning would be that those laying low are either Scum or a Non-Townie. " is something to come back on if DBE shows up scum, given it suggests her scum-mates would have been active at the time.
- Stuff about Coron's claim you've already covered, and I agree with. Seems like it's a cheap shot at Coron to set him up for tomorrow, because you know he's a tracker.impossiblefor her to get lynched at 3 days from deadline.
In other words, his vote and claim is just talk. Pure distancing and no harm done to his partner DBE.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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The answer to this question will be of no use whatsoever.mikeburnfire wrote:Hey....
...is everybody voting Dasquian mainly because we think DBE is scum, but don't want to lynch her because her watcher role is so useful?
Guardian investigates DBE tonight. If Dasquian is scum and Guardian dies, we lynch DBE. If DBE is, by some inconceivable twist, a watcher, we lynch the scum that targeted Guardian and are left with one scum left.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I feel the same way about your case on MBF. Let's just let the chips fall where they may, yes ?Yosarian2 wrote:Albert: Well, whatever. I'd still like to hear exactally why you think me and DBE is linked or whatever, you're the second person to say it and it makes absolutly no sense to me. I still don't really see your case on Dasquian either; you could run that past me again?
Point stands. You defended Coron while he was alive because you knew he was town, IMO. It was your best strategical move, especially since your scum partner DBE was already on Coron's tail.Dasquian wrote:Frankly the quote you have there is just appalled shock that we'd D1 lynch anyone claiming power-rolesolely for claiming a power-role, when we had a better lynch lined up. Here's the quote in its entirety, which ABR chose not to share:Dasquian wrote:What? We lynch the claim tracker (as ridiculous as the timing of his claim is, AND IT IS) instead of Mr Scummy Near who has lurked all day and is not posting through L-2 and L-1 now? I say "not posting" rather than lurking now since it's the weekend and anyone gets a break for that in my book.
I also notice that it was the "weekend", and you could easily have missed the deadline with that unvote because players were "not posting" as you say. The fact remains that there's no way DBE would be lynched and that vote was scummy as all hell.
I'm very amused Dasquian and DBE are proving my point that all that distancing between them was total crap, by both seeming offended that I would implicate the other and post as little as possible about their thoughts on each other.
Check their recent posts, you just can't make this stuff up.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Dasquian, you made a compelling argument, once upon a time:
Consider today's choice of lynch between you and DBE.Dasquian wrote:I too am more inclined to believe that if Guardian is anything, he's a cop. It's about the only way I could excuse his actions as being pro-town, even if I still think he made very poor choices. Likewise,I would side against DBE if it came to a "they can't both be right" situation on the basis that she first vague-claimed a power-role then fitted it to watcher after the tracker died.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Hear that Yosarian ? Your girl is screaming for help. Are you going to swoop in, or will you abandon her in the hands of fate ? Either way, your mafia will quickly be disbanded. Be prepared.DarlaBlueEyes wrote:lol, lynch me if you will, you lose the watcher after losing the tracker, gotta give props to the scum in this game, you guys are playing us like a fiddle.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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You're so nervous you can't even make sense, read or quote properly. How can we take anything you say seriously ?Dasquian wrote:Not only has Guardian been making himself scummier in my eyes since then, but the statement ABR quotedonly holds, a conclusion which I think is too early to draw.[/color]if it's very likely ABR and Guardian cannot both be town
This...is quite a lot of words, to say absolutely nothing. You must be cracking under pressure, Dasq.Dasquian wrote:Near/ABR - Near basically "cleared" himself in deadline yesterday. That still holds, but doesn't totally clear ABR forever and ever. If ABRisscum, he's in a very strong position. Needless to say, I have far less than a favourable read on him since he's going hell-for-leather trying to get yours truly lynched. My biggest beef with him, however, is how eerily similar his play is to Guardian's. It's like he joined the game, saw that Guardian's tactics were effective and tolerated by the town, and decided to get a piece of that action. This alone makes me strongly wonder if we weren't giving Near-as-scum nearly enough credit.
I maintain that Dasq and DBE are tightly connected, with Yosarian as the ring leader of this happy party.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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V/L/A
A couple quick notes:
1) Over my dead body are we lynching MBF.
2) Guardian and Mac need to make up their mind.
Dasquian: why would I listen to you if you're not listening to me ? I find it extremely scummy that you're not voting for DBE.
I've only skimmed the last few posts. No time. Cya later.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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To me, its very simple. Its extremely likely that there is at least one scum in the group of Dasquian, Yosarian and DBE. The fact that all three are attempting to derail a Dasquian and DBE bandwagon for a Pyro wagon, the easiest lynch out of their scum group, as mentioned by MBE and various others throughout the day who voiced their suspicions of Pyro, is enough evidence for me to think that Pyro is town.
We need a Dasquian or DBE lynch,badly. You don't even know how badly we need this today. If we go ahead and mislynch Pyro, tomorrow we are at Ly-lo and have no way of verifying DBE's results when Guardian dies. That's why a Pyro lynch is shit.
Everybody needs to seriously decide between DBE and Dasquian.
Guardian, you mislynched the tracker. Please stand aside and let me do my job. Your vote on DBE or Dasquian will be helpful. Don't go fucking around getting ideas. Thank you.
P.S.: Understand that my time is limited, and I just don't have the energy to put up with the crap of 3 scum + micro-managing all the townies getting cold feet right when we're about to make something happen. It pains me a great deal that some of you don't have the heart to see this Das/DBE-wagon through until the end. I got to keep composure too, but...damn it guys, its just so fucking essential that we get this lynch right. Don't let me down.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Yosarian2 wrote:Hahaha...that's probably the scummiest sentance I've seen in a long, long, time. Pyro, is there some reason you're worried about what happens if a cop investigates you?
fos:Pyro
I'm interested to see what Albert has to say about this Pyro wagon...
---Albert B. Rampage wrote:To me, its very simple. Its extremely likely that there is at least one scum in the group of Dasquian, Yosarian and DBE. The fact that all threea Dasquian and DBE bandwagon for a Pyro wagon, the easiest lynch out of their scum group, as mentioned by MBE and various others throughout the day who voiced their suspicions of Pyro, is enough evidence for me to think that Pyro is town.are attempting to derail
I don't give a fuck. You're dead tomorrow anyway.Guardian wrote:I'm not willing to lynch Dasquian since he's been less suspicious recently.
I'm not willing to lynch DBE, cuz what if DBE is a tracker???
Convince me Albert. Yelling at me, ad-hom'ing me, and pointing to one example of past failure isn't going to make me follow you.
Peace out.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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1) He realized he was fucking scummy and was going to ruin it for his whole scumteam, so he took his balls and played tight since.Guardian wrote:I'm not willing to lynch Dasquian since he's been less suspicious recently.
I'm not willing to lynch DBE, cuz what if DBE is a tracker???
Convince me Albert. Yelling at me, ad-hom'ing me, and pointing to one example of past failure isn't going to make me follow you.
2) We cannot, ever, verify DBE being a watcher if we mislynch now. She could choose whoever she damn pleases, say MBF for example, and finger him for killing you tonight. We listen to her and she's scum, WE ALL DIE.
If DBE shows up town by some unheavenly twist of fate, I'll shut the fuck up and vote for your Pyro tomorrow. However, as it stands, a Pyro lynch gives us NOTHING.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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It would change my mind, in fact I am ready to unvote you if you vote yourself. It doesn't absolve you of anything, but town are much less likely to vote themselves than scum, as demonstrated in Peril in Panama by CKD.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Dasquian is scummy as all hell. First off, we believe Guardian. He has claimed without being under any pressure. Second, MBF is confirmed town.
Dasquian, Mac and Yosarian coaching DBE has been noted.
Dasquian, your words fall on deaf ears because you're just a damn noob-scum. Lynching DBE is the play here; its easier to find newbe scum than intermediate scum. Quit your nonsense and die.
FOLLOW ME PEOPLE OF ISRAEL!!!! I HAVE PARTED THE RED SEAS FOR YOU, NOW ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS VOTE FOR DARLA, DAS AND YOSARIAN!!Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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No, it doesn't apply at all, you dimwit. If Guardian survives until we are like 3 players left, then some people might consider him as a suspect. Right now, your argument is pure stupidity and see-through with an ounce of common sense.
Guardian (if cop) = threat to scum.
DBE (if watcher) = laughing stock of scum.
DBE will NOT be nightkilled, ever, because the scum would rather bus the shit out of her than allow her to further implicate them in the hole she's dug for her team.
Guardian will be nightkilled. If he isn't, then the scum are too stupid to realize that we would trust his word over theirs and we will have extra investigation results.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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The only two people in this game who feign suspicion for Guardian is you and DBE. And what a surprise. If Guardian survives, we TRUST him.
Look,
DBE has no special powers, unless she knows who the scum targets. She's basically useless to town unless both Guardian and her are telling the truth, but even then, she's compromised that and convinced most of us that she's a scumbag.
Guardian has unlimited powers if his sanity is assured. If your scumband don't kill Guardian, we will further discussion and come to an agreement at the end of the day.
DBE is essentially bad for the town to keep alive. She's the scummiest person here, she wastes everyone's time and bandwidth, she posts nothing of relevance besides her scummy antics and she wants to make us believe that she didn't even read her role PM (I found Das suspicious so I watched him last night). None of this can be attributed to noobness.
Its not risky play to lynch her. Its called being straightforward.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Guardian...under no pressure, counter-claims DBE and outs himself.
DBE...under pressure, claims "power role", disappears for awhile, comes back and says she's a watcher, then says she investigated Das whom she found suspicious, when her role clearly says that she's a watcher and not a tracker.
Tell me Dasquian, you really think she didn't pull that claim right out her ass ?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I realize I've been acting irritable in the past few pages. I apologize.
I've forgotten something simple: the truth needs no defender.
I'll let you guys decide for yourselves, and stop acting like an elitist snob. That's all I wanted to say, thank you for reading.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In case you didn't get the memo, since the scum tried to gang up on him and make us another mislynch out of MBF.
I think I've nailed the scum down to the axis of evil I keep mentioning. Everyone else is town to me hehGuard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Another ongoing game just finished yesterday, and I was right again about the scum before getting NK'd.
I'm now 7 for 7 in the scum I've caught. I am trying very hard to not get big-headed, but its becoming harder and harder as I am proven right time and time again.
Look. From where I stand, Dasquian, Yosarian2 and DBE are most likely scum.
If you don't vote for them, that is fine. If we don't lynch scum today, that is fine. Sometimes it takes a few losses for players to ascend to that new level of scumhunting. I've had my fair share of embarassing defeats, and maybe that's what's made me into what I am today. Guys, play your best, don't overthink, and place your vote.
I'm going to start studying Zen for a bit so I can better deal with this game...lol
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