Mini Normal 2170: Stuff I’m Listening To [Game Over]
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Seriously. Why would anyone be glad to be playing mafia?In post 27, Not_Mafia wrote:
Why?In post 16, Blitzo wrote:Hello everyone, glad to be playing with all of you.
I will withhold my vote for now.
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I agree with the others re: this post. This is a bizarre way to react to an RVS vote on you. The only time I have seen players react to an RVS vote by questioning the logic behind the random vote is from complete newbies. So if you've been playing for years, your reaction is very strange. I'm trying to wrap my head around why an experienced player would react that way and frankly it doesn't make much sense to me.In post 34, Blitzo wrote:This seems like a bit of a stretch - what makes you think I don't enjoy the game and what bearing does that have on my alignment?
Blitzo, my read on you was not very strong at this point but it was alignment-indicative to me because I think either you're an alt intentionally trying a different playstyle and your posting is strange because it's unnatural for you (which is alignment-neutral) or you're scum and your posting is strange because most people post less naturally as scum. Why are you asking me about the justification for my RVS vote on you?-
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I've mostly liked Murdercat except for this:
I agree with the SRs but the TRs on Panzer and Pooky are bizarre. Panzer has just two RVS votes and Pooky has made nothing but no-content white noise posts. Why do you TR them?In post 105, MURDERCAT wrote:{Thestatusquo}
{Panzerjager, PookyTheMagicalBear, The Bulge}
{Not_Mafia, Noraa, Kasumeat, duppin, OutWorldER, UneducatedGuesser}
{Gamma Emerald}
{Blitzo}
pedit: Was just about to post this for content but ok-
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Ah I missed that. Still don't like it.
My heart and my best intentions tell me that I am, but the facts and the evidence tell me I am not.btw let's solve the game together Kasu. Are you good at finding bad guys?
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Why do you TR Panzer for a vote on you at that point? Looks like pure RVS to me.In post 175, MURDERCAT wrote:
I'm here, ask me about it thenIn post 174, Kasumeat wrote:Ah I missed that. Still don't like it.
What logic about Gamma are you even referring to? He doesn't present anything information, rather he just agrees with Shea.I agreed with Pooky's logic about gamma.-
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Why?In post 177, Thestatusquo wrote:You know what, pressing pooky can wait. I'm pretty into yeeting Kasu I think.
VOTE: kasumeat-
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My initial vote on Blitzo was very clearly a joke. I didn't like Blitzo's reaction to it nor did pretty much anyone else in the game. 40 is me seeing if Blitzo has some sort of reasonable explanation for it, which he didn't give, so 103 is me making it clear that what was a joke vote is now a real one. As for not participating in the discussion at the time, I work in restaurants which means I'm not on a computer and I only have a minute here or there to phonepost when I'm working in the afternoons/evenings EST.In post 180, Thestatusquo wrote:I didn't like this vote because it felt like you were trying to ramp up a wagon while still pretending to be a RVS vote.
There was discussion happening around this statement so you were either ignoring that discussion or werent interested in having it. You had already made your joke opening vote for trying to claim that you werent voting for real is a stretch to me, especially since there was already information out there. It just rings kind of fishy to me. The whole interaction reads kind of fishy to me.
Post 40 and 103 is more indication that its not a random vote, but they're harping lines of questioning that I was already having without adding anything additional of substance for something that literally the player would have had to decide to do pre-game, which I pointed out at the time.
Post 154 is basically just you reiterating that what you are suspecting blitzo for is not really alignment indicative.
Then after that you start harping on not active people, which brings us to your post 176 which basically says "I'm going to ignore all the content that has happened so far in the game I want to yeet the guy who has done the weird thing that is NAI or some lurker."
It doesn't add up to me. It just doesn't look like you're earnestly trying to find scum.
In 154 I'm saying that I'm torn between whether Blitzo's weirdness is NAI or scummy. So with one possibility making me null on him and the other making me SR him, in what fucking universe does that mean I should still be null on him? Because that's exactly what you're saying.
"You were trying to ramp up a wagon" is bullshit. Ramp up the wagon with literally nobody on it? There is no way that you honestly believe that I'm scum trying to lynch a townie with my case being built upon "Blitzo likes playing mafia" as the basis for the wagon. You're taking what was very clearly an RVS vote and saying "your case here is terrible" and using that as justification for SRing me? There is no fucking way that an experienced townie makes a read like yours on me.
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It sure seems like RVS to me.In post 181, MURDERCAT wrote:
I don't think it was a pure RVS vote as he had made a vote already. As I already established, I like to do certain things on day 1 to see how people interact with me about them. This is easier than trying to read how two different people interact because I know 1 side of the equation. Early in day 1 I find anything I can use to start content asap and that's exactly what panzer did (I think, of course he hasn't clarified). As I already said, I value finding other players who say or do things I was already thinking.In post 178, Kasumeat wrote: Why do you TR Panzer for a vote on you at that point? Looks like pure RVS to me.
I am referring to 80 93 and 94 which I believe are independent of anything Shea said. As I said, it followed my own line of thought upon reading those posts.In post 178, Kasumeat wrote: What logic about Gamma are you even referring to? He doesn't present anything information, rather he just agrees with Shea.
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I was leaning town on him but his explanation for his SR on me is just so scummy. It hinges entirely on my RVS vote being an attempt to "ramp up a wagon" with 0 people on it and then saying that my SR on Blitzo makes no sense because I'm saying his post is NIA when I'm saying it was either NIA or scummy, so it amounts to a slight SR. I've never played with Shea before but his "read" on me just seems extremely fake which is scummy in my booksIn post 184, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:you think shea is scum for real or just posturing?-
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I DID prod by asking Blitzo about his experience because him being inexperienced (maybe he made an account years ago and never played with it?) is the most sensible reason I can see for him to react the way he did. He explained that he has some experience so that is enough for me for a day D1 SR.In post 186, Thestatusquo wrote:lets break this down:
My point had nothing to do with activity. It had to do with something being weird and you deciding that the best course of action wasn't to prod it like others were doing to try to decide if its alignment indicative but to vote it and then just sort of just leave it out there.As for not participating in the discussion at the time, I work in restaurants which means I'm not on a computer and I only have a minute here or there to phonepost when I'm working in the afternoons/evenings EST.
That's not what that post says at all though? You say "player is doing X thing which is only something I would expect from newbies so I don't understand why an experienced player would do it."In 154 I'm saying that I'm torn between whether Blitzo's weirdness is NAI or scummy. So with one possibility making me null on him and the other making me SR him, in what fucking universe does that mean I should still be null on him? Because that's exactly what you're saying.
You do say that "his posting style is unnatural because hes scum" but that point just doesnt make any sense. Thats just not even remotely how being uncomfortable as scum manifests itself.
My point, which perhaps I did not explain well wasn't implying that you were trying to yeet a townie (as an aside please don't use the word you used here) but rather that you were reading momentum. There had already been two pointed questions directed to that player, so you jumping on and voting seems like its trying to put pressure on in a situation where it wasnt warrented and would be safe for you to be at the front of the wagon if a wagon did develop. I didn't like your timing and I didn't like your decision to just pile on a vote instead of just waiting for the player to answer the question 2 people had already asked."You were trying to ramp up a wagon" is bullshit. Ramp up the wagon with literally nobody on it?
Now my greatest reason for scum reading you is that reaction you just had to being voted is heinous.
As for how people tending to play scum differently than I believe they do, sure, maybe I'm wrong about that. I'm sure you do know better than me. I have very little experience playing scum and never on this site. However, the best scumhunting I've done has been either straightforward stuff like catching slips, or more often, by catching experienced scum players trying to push the exact same "you're wrong about what makes people scummy/townie therefore you're scum" on me which is exactly what you're doing now.-
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What does this mean?In post 263, Noraa wrote: slight LHF vibes
Gamma, what's your read on me and why?-
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In post 269, Thestatusquo wrote:
this is a really good question that I want an answer to. Generally the reason I try to get players to trust me is I'm trying to lie to them.In post 253, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:You respect shea so you want him to trust you this game? I'm confused why.
hello everyone please put these two posts next to each other and try to explain how they're possibly coming from townIn post 285, Thestatusquo wrote:This last page and a half of gamma reads really earnest to me.-
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Yeah you're right, I read your posts at work and incorrectly remembered them as coming earlier than they did. I liked them so his TR on you didn't ping me.In post 317, The Bulge wrote:at the time of this post, I had as little content as panzer and pooky. sure i'd posted more between murdercat's list and this post, but I struggle to see this as a genuine critique given that fact
I don't like this post, something about the pacing of it and how much time is spent talking about outworld rather than blitzo/pooky/whichever lurker kasu presumably had in mind. I know it's only a one-liner but eh[/quote]In post 176, Kasumeat wrote:I have mixed feelings on Outworld. I like what reads he's given so far, but his justification for them does indeed feel off. I would prefer Blitzo/a lurker/Pooky at this point.
If you're going to push me for making short posts just go ahead, I'd still rather do that than not post at all. I'm pretty busy between studies/work where I have little time to post so I have to be concise.-
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Because he's being strongly TRed by a lot of people in this game despite his push on me being garbage and I think people should be rethinking their reads on himIn post 318, The Bulge wrote:this is awful. blatantly misrepping shea in the last paragraph, and the whole leadup going from meticulously defending himself immediately to "you're scum for being so wrong" makes no sense to me. I mean if he's scum, why so paranoid on the defense? and if he's so incredibly off-base, why the need to address it so seriously?-
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Am heading out for the evening but my initial thoughts over a re-read of the past couple days:
Gamma is climbing my list of SRs. Not only has he disappeared now that there's no pressure no him and he hasn't responded to my question to him, but I don't like why some people, particularly Shea, saying he's townish early. Unless I'm mistaken, their justification was because Gamma made several posts that were "transparent" in this sense of he would respond to questions with his motivation with a straightforward "this is the [selfish] motivation for me saying this". So trying to convey that he's not hiding any intentions. Perhaps this is more likely to come from town than scum but I think that experienced scum actually tend to play like this pretty often, so I wouldn't give him townpoints for it. For an experienced player it's NAI as far as I'm concerned unless I know their meta better.
Speaking of which, Gamma's play this game has been totally different than I've seen him in the past, and I've only seen him as town. Much less active—which can come about from IRL circumstances for sure—but much less arrogant and aggressive. Granted, it's been literally years since then, so I don't want to lean too much on past meta, but it's definitely scumpoints against him.
This vote pings me too. Especially on day one, I don't think that most scum players are that eager to dogpile easy targets—the easy targets will get lynched one way or another. This just doesn't seem like a legit explanation for a vote to me. Gamma, can you elaborate on this vote and your current feelings of MC? Could you also tell me your current thoughts on Shea, myself (again), and Outworld?In post 283, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: MURDERCAT
I think MCat thought Noraa would be an easy target and that’s why they attacked Noraa so quickly
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Ugh my power just cut out so I'm phone posting for the time being. I like noraa. I agree with most of her reads and her tone is whimsical and steam of consciousnessy. It's fakeable but strikes me as legit, especially if she's new. She's actually engaging with Mc and even if I'm starting to disagree with her on the sr there it seems like she's actually trying to solve.
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Power is back
Why? I have mixed feelings on MC. I'd be happy to share but I'd like to hear your reasoning first.
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On the other hand, I do agree with Shea about getting pinged by Pooky's 180:
In post 399, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I have been trying a more logical solve based approach to the game rather than a pressuring attack based approach because I find people are easier to read when they do not feel attacked.
But then he drops it, just like with Bulge. Shea is asking questions and making obversations that I like but I'm not liking that he seems to just drop them when there is something there that looks worth following up on.In post 528, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:because he's ignoring me and I'm hoping a vote will get him to engage with me
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I mean, the fact that there is an implication that his questions are scummy but you don't mention that is indeed what I'm pointing out here. How DO you feel about his questions?In post 535, Thestatusquo wrote:
I dont think I said anything about what they say about bulges alignment.In post 534, Kasumeat wrote:Shea, I agree with your 472 but I'm wondering why Bulge's line of questions "don't make sense" to you but they don't seem scummy to you. Why not?
I really like your questions and observations lately. I don't like that you don't seem interested in following up and I'm wondering why you haven't. I'm starting to reevaluate my read on you, though I do worry that I'm giving you too much credit because I'm happy that you've eased up on me. Why doesn't Pooky's sudden 180 seem to bother you too much?I have been feeling more uneasy about the bulge but mostly its related to what I see as pretty persistent efforts to try to buddy up to me.
I will say I also find this post by you while you're voting me and saying things like two posts of mine can't possibly come from town to be pretty odd.
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As in, do you find them townie scummy or neutral?In post 539, Kasumeat wrote:How DO you feel about his questions?-
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This is scummy as hell. Your "plan" of being passive can't work unless you give it time to do so.In post 538, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:because when 1 plan doesn't work I switch to the other plan.
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I could not agree more, though I think I would say this about nearly every game of mafia I've ever played.In post 542, Thestatusquo wrote:FWIW I feel like theres a pretty compelling reason to vote almost anyone in the game right now, and many of them also have compelling reasons to think they're town.
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In post 533, Kasumeat wrote:Power is back
Why? I have mixed feelings on MC. I'd be happy to share but I'd like to hear your reasoning first.
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So . . . what do you think of him?In post 582, Gamma Emerald wrote:also I made an analysis after two games with Pooky (dumb yes but w/e) that he tends to be more serious as scum than as town, and he's never attempted to contradict me on that. I will however say maybe I oversimplified it when first forming that impression. He's silly as both alignments, but when he's town it seems like it's downright inscrutable and rather distracting, but as scum he does it in a way that feels less invasive. So if you struggle with reading Pooky, there's a bit of a road map on him.-
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Who is generallyTRed, Shea and Bulge? I feel better and better about Shea. Speaking of which.In post 596, MURDERCAT wrote:People are actually here so let's try to advance the game state. Who is mostly likely to be scum if people who are generally town read? Which lurkers if any are scum?
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Several other lynches I'd prefer. I like Bulge less than on his intro mostly for reasons that Shea has mentioned. He's null-scum for me.
As for the lurkers, who knows? I find NM impossible to read. I've played with him once before when he replaced in and he made three posts over two days and then was replaced out or something, as town. Still a complete null on him. I don't have much of a read yet on UG but I like what he's posted so far. Leaning slightly town. Panzer is low-content and what's there is a little scummy. Posts like this are just completely useless and non-committal and seem like scum just hedging hard. Though the arrogance that he shows is fairly towny.-
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VOTE: Gamma
This post is a lot of words that say absolutely nothing. This doesn't really help solve Pooky at all, nor does he even express an opinion on what this makes Pooky. There has been a passivity to his play this game which is just so totally unlike the last time I played with Gamma where we ended up in a big town v town clownfiesta. And no I'm not just talking about the lack of content (meaning not posting a lot) I was mentioning earlier, but rather there isn't any real digging, it's almost all just distanced observations.In post 582, Gamma Emerald wrote:also I made an analysis after two games with Pooky (dumb yes but w/e) that he tends to be more serious as scum than as town, and he's never attempted to contradict me on that. I will however say maybe I oversimplified it when first forming that impression. He's silly as both alignments, but when he's town it seems like it's downright inscrutable and rather distracting, but as scum he does it in a way that feels less invasive. So if you struggle with reading Pooky, there's a bit of a road map on him.-
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What does it say?In post 607, MURDERCAT wrote:
This is a direct reply to my post about Pooky, I don't see anything wrong with itIn post 605, Kasumeat wrote:This post is a lot of words that say absolutely nothing. This doesn't really help solve Pooky at all, nor does he even express an opinion on what this makes Pooky. There has been a passivity to his play this game which is just so totally unlike the last time I played with Gamma where we ended up in a big town v town clownfiesta. And no I'm not just talking about the lack of content (meaning not posting a lot) I was mentioning earlier, but rather there isn't any real digging, it's almost all just distanced observations.-
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No, Gamma's.In post 610, MURDERCAT wrote:My post? It talked about how I didn't get very much out of Pooky meta reading-
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I am having a hard time understanding how those words are an a legitimate attempt to communicate anything useful. That said, I don't mean to give the impression that I think it's the scummiest post ever. Just another one of the many posts he's making that fit his general pattern of just chiming in with not-very-insightful observations and not attempting to do any scumhunting.In post 614, MURDERCAT wrote:
I'm not sure I understand the question, I don't think gammas post was designed to solve Pooky, I think it was to communicate with me about my readIn post 612, Kasumeat wrote:
No, Gamma's.In post 610, MURDERCAT wrote:My post? It talked about how I didn't get very much out of Pooky meta reading-
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Posting a readlist with a mod in it. I was making a "joke", you see, referencing the juxtaposition of the same error being committed by both scum and town. And it's "funny", you see, because the implication of my original reference is such an error is a scumslip whereas your anecdote references the same error being made by town. Thus my immediate declaration intent to make such a list in order for it to be viewed as a townslip is altogether entirely absurd and therefore hilarious.In post 617, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:what townslip?-
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I'm glad you're ready because I haven't seen any of it out of you so farIn post 619, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:fuck it im ready to hunt scum with you kasu
lets do this shit-
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No, that's the town's jobIn post 623, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:ok r u going to hunt now?-
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Hah, can't slip anything past you!In post 625, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:aren't you part of the town?-
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Yes, I agree with everything here. Panzer has been simultaneously hedgy in his "reads" nor does he offer any explanation for them. I don't put as much weight as you seem to in the vote itself though. His vote on you looks RVS to me. I opened this game by turning an RVS vote into a legit one too. That said, I was clear about it, and I don't like that Panzer never made it clear.In post 626, MURDERCAT wrote:
In the interest of actually creating some content, do either of you think this has any merit?In post 518, MURDERCAT wrote:Panzerjager
Panzer doesn’t have a lot of content to look through in this game, but I’m going to try my best. At the risk of sounding OMGUSy, I don’t like Panzer’s vote on me. There’s no real reason given other than e.g. “read lists are scummy” (355). Yes I realized that I was ok with the vote when it first happened, but it feels now as if the vote is being justified after the fact in a possible miselim attempt. Panzer has been very vague in the description about outworld/duppin/me and it reads to me like he is keeping his options open about where to move to in the future.-
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Maybe I just never encountered anyone so easy to dunk on beforeIn post 628, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I don't think I saw trolling when I reviewed your meta actually >.>
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It seems a lot like an attempt to pocket me, actually.In post 632, MURDERCAT wrote:@Pooky This actually does ping me a bit, it was an obvious joke. Unless you saying you wanted to scum hunt with him wasn't actually because of a town read. The first Kasu game I clicked on had kasu self vote in rvs so I don't think that series of posts was that out of the norm-
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Why? He was one of your SR's early.In post 780, PJ. wrote:super don't like the pooky votes
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Why?In post 782, Noraa wrote:
glad im not the only oneIn post 780, PJ. wrote:super don't like the pooky votes-
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In post 811, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:In post 809, Kasumeat wrote:VOTE: Pooky
Haven't really liked anything from you all game. My top TRs don't like you and a lot of my SRs do.In post 528, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I'm hoping a vote will get him to engage with me
ok buddy good talk-
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In post 815, PJ. wrote:
Uh...pooky was never an SR of mine. So.........................In post 805, Kasumeat wrote:
Why? He was one of your SR's early.In post 780, PJ. wrote:super don't like the pooky votes
And you're continuing to refuse to explain your SR on MC.
Why should I explain anything to someone who can't read?In post 355, PJ. wrote:Going into page 8, I dislike murdercat, outworld, and pooky in that order. I'll try to read more b4 worlds.-
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In post 818, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:If he actually wanted an answer to his question he would've given me a chance to answer it instead of voting me 7 minutes later.In post 528, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:because he's ignoring me and I'm hoping a vote will get him to engage with me-
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I suppose it was accurate for the early stage of the game, though certainly as the game has developed I haven't been the same as in the past. I haven't been near the hammer which was always my trigger in the past, and I'm also much more experienced/jaded than I used to be.In post 829, duppin wrote:
i dont believe you ever commented on this, but what did you make of pooky's initial meta read on you?In post 809, Kasumeat wrote:VOTE: Pooky
Haven't really liked anything from you all game. My top TRs don't like you and a lot of my SRs do.-
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Really don't like this post from Shea. Noraa's post seems way more likely to me to be a legit excited reaction coming from a excited townie who thinks she's caught a scumslip than scum who are trying to run a bad "scumslip" push that doesn't make sense if you actually read the post. I've definitely caught "scumslips" as town before and excitedly posted them only to soon realise I'm just an idiot who didn't read properly. Noraa's post is either coming from a townie, a really, really dumb scum, or a really, really good one who's next-leveling us. I'm not sure I buy that Shea's reaction is real here, as I don't think an experienced player legitimately believes Noraa is scummy for this.In post 887, Thestatusquo wrote:Sorry for the double post on this but I wanted to add that I don't think it would even be reasonable for noraa to miss the "fypov" because literally the last line says "as you would see it" as well.
Like claiming that someone is scum slipping when the post you're claiming is a scum slip preempts that interp in 2 different ways is some real next level misrepresentation.-
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Mostly? Can you elaborate?In post 961, MURDERCAT wrote:
It is mostly tongue in cheekIn post 959, Thestatusquo wrote:At the risk of maybe tunneling here I don't understand why a town player would ever make this offer.-
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