What the actual fuck got.you to town me because you've been on me since D1 and now im second in your list?In post 4180, lilith2013 wrote:I feel kind of ok with town!billy. like I think somewhere around
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Yeah, s_S was soooo far up the list that it fucked with my counting. Btw, lillith setting me up to so flagrantly misrep like that clearly locks her as scum.In post 4333, the worst wrote:third*-
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This makes me feel better about your read on me, because otherwise I felt like it had to be scum!you just sort of resigning yourself to not getting to mis-elim me.In post 4334, lilith2013 wrote:It’s literally “ok I townread duck and I think his townread on you is ok so you’re slightly more town than null.” I don’t actually have a townread on you.-
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Isn't this the other way around? Green FourEyes locks N_M green. But Green N_M doesn't say anything about Four.In post 4408, UnaBombaH wrote:N_M is town is FourEyes is town, but other than that, those two can still theoretically fling either way.
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See that was a typo that was meaningful. I read that as NM town is/= Four town which was backwards.In post 4504, ManWithNoName wrote:
Isn't that what he said? I think it should read N_M is townIn post 4503, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
Isn't this the other way around? Green FourEyes locks N_M green. But Green N_M doesn't say anything about Four.In post 4408, UnaBombaH wrote:N_M is town is FourEyes is town, but other than that, those two can still theoretically fling either way.
And N_M is as blank of a slate as I have ever seen. Again.ifI'm town.
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Oh shit if he's old I must be.....
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This is true, which is why i think we elim MWNN. It either flips green and confirms NM which leaves us a pool of (Lillith, Ducky, me, IV, and Una) -1 to sort in 5p Limlo. Or it flips red. We're down to 1 scum. We flip NM tomorrow and we sort in that same pool of 5 minus 2 in 3p Limlo.In post 4622, lilith2013 wrote:also that’s not like 100% true? if mwnn is town then NM is town, but if mwnn is scum then NM’s alignment isn’t guaranteed?-
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I already claimed VT on D1.In post 4631, the worst wrote:innocentvillager - vt
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Can you point me to the guilty conscience?In post 4636, the worst wrote:sure.
he has had a guilty conscience at one point in this game. based on your skimming of his personality, why is that, and what does it say about his alignment?
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Shit it may be ducky. Ducky sees that I'm vt on D1 and thinks he can drag me to ELO, buddy me, and have me mis-elim someone.In post 4671, lilith2013 wrote:town!four -> town!nm. town!una. leaving duck/billy/iv. I don't think there's, like, any expectation that billy/iv as remaining scum survive this long. do all roads lead back to scum!duck?
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I'm pissed that we didn't have that discussion on my slot on D1. That was literally the point of my falling on the sword. But whatever, yeah, sort me. As I said on D1, it definitely made me uneasy the way that IV pushed to elim IV while leaving me in the scumpool after I had claimed. But like no one wanted to go along with that.In post 4730, UnaBombaH wrote:I'm honestly thinking IV should be lynched today.
I do not feel like risking it for the biscuit on a MWNN-lynch, because it would most likely mean that I'm mislynched tomorrow.
Upon IV flipping red, it would still require for others to come around on scum!Ducky, but I guess it's more reasonable then than it is now.
IV -> Ducky is my most reasonable solve for now.
MWNN -> Ducky/N_M is like the far far back-in-line 2nd.
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You don't think scum is gonna at least be open to bussing today?In post 4738, the worst wrote:I'm fine eliminating IV except for one thing: everyone except for BP has said they're willing to elim IV today. And BP hasn't posted today. so we gotta go deeperer-
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The same way i sort every pool, guess and pray.In post 4746, the worst wrote:
ok: sort that pool for me.In post 4740, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
This is true, which is why i think we elim MWNN. It either flips green and confirms NM which leaves us a pool of (Lillith, Ducky, me, IV, and Una) -1 to sort in 5p Limlo. Or it flips red. We're down to 1 scum. We flip NM tomorrow and we sort in that same pool of 5 minus 2 in 3p Limlo.In post 4622, lilith2013 wrote:also that’s not like 100% true? if mwnn is town then NM is town, but if mwnn is scum then NM’s alignment isn’t guaranteed?
But seriously, if MWNN is towni could see a you and IV team or a Lillith and IV team. So I'd probably elim IV and see where things are at if the game isn't over. Im sorta locked into town!Una at the moment.-
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Why is Lillith clear?In post 4765, ManWithNoName wrote:IV and either Una/the worst is my best guess.
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What if its a Lillith/IV scum team and they just couldn't figure out how to reposition around my eating the sword D1? Because both of them did the scummiest thing possible which was to keep me as a scumread and in their elim pool while pushing elsewhere to eliminate D1. They both did it, and i said it on D1 and I haven't really changed my mind on that, I think thats scummy as hell.-
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But y tho?In post 4777, ManWithNoName wrote:
Because she's been playing like town, I think.In post 4775, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
Why is Lillith clear?In post 4765, ManWithNoName wrote:IV and either Una/the worst is my best guess.
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I'm townreading Una based on the mechanics. So if i townread Una he's probably dead by endgame. So we kill MWNN today. If he flips green then NM is conf town. Im pretty sure we kill IV tomorrow, because i don't think a duck/lillith team is the one. Then, assuming Una and NM are the nks, I have to pick between duck and lillith in endgame.
If MWNN is scum then I think we policy NM tomorrow (hope it flips red) but if not we have an elo between 2 of the 3 slots (ducky, lillith, IV) that I can't sort. So fun. But I do think it means its the right play. No one has solid reads. No one is really excluding anyone from their pool. It would be nice to get the conf town slot even if it is NM.
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So who do you think the team is?In post 4906, lilith2013 wrote:clearly, yes.-
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I dont see how you can come to this solve in good faith at all.In post 4911, the worst wrote:it's mwnn + billy or nm-
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I'm reading them, and then I'm forgetting them. Sorry.In post 4910, lilith2013 wrote:like.... are you reading any of my posts????-
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If you've explained why you think MWNN is town here, could you point me to it? Because hell I'll give you your three person poe including me if you sell me on that. And you can have me first. I just don't wanna lose to scum!MWNN when I kinda thought he was scum since day 1 before the claim. And while I think the claim is a weird one for scum, I dont think it can't come from scum. Amd him saying earlier that NM being alive is an insurance policy for him is sorta concerning... Look, you sell me on him being town, and then my only hangup is the possibility that you're scum. And I think the only way I'd end up voting you is if you were in 3p ELO with me and Una or a conf!town NM. Im voting for IV and duck over you everytime. So you sell me on him and we can elim IV and ducky.In post 4909, lilith2013 wrote:In post 4898, lilith2013 wrote:In post 4807, lilith2013 wrote:so I'm back to {duck, una, iv, billy} and mostly una is out of the poe so it's kind of down to {duck, iv, billy}
Look, if Una's scum im a liability. I dont see a scum role that checks the claimed pr N1 aside from roleblocker/rolecop. And I dont think that theres a setup with a scum and town rolecop. If someone thinks I'm wrong on either of those please let me know.-
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Its more a end of poe than anything else.In post 4933, lilith2013 wrote:I also don’t think anyone realistically thinks I’m scum the way billy seems to be weirdly side-scumreading me, but it’s such a bad take that idk how to read it.-
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I dont necessarily see you partnered with MWNN, but im generally not looking for pre-flip associations. Im hoping that slot flips red, but if it does and then NM flips green, im gonna have to re-read him. You were only in my poe if MWNN was off the table by the way. If we're treating MWNN as town then three elims included you basically because town MWNN means town NM and im hard townreading Una on mech. So that means both scum have to be in you, iv, and ducky. Gun to head, id put you last there, but frankly I dont care because if MWNN as long as the three elims are in that pool it's autowin.In post 4948, lilith2013 wrote:billy, can you explain why you think mwnn is scum? why am I in your POE if you think mwnn is scum, do you think we could be partners?-
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Because you know im not a big advocate of bussing. In fact I only do it when I'm forced into it. Why would I have pushed MWNN as hard as I did D1 if thats one of my partners. Like, that pairing for me specifically doesn't make any sense, and the reason I said it doesnt feel in good faith is because of your history with me.In post 4957, the worst wrote:
very slowly, and while grimacing.In post 4935, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
I dont see how you can come to this solve in good faith at all.In post 4911, the worst wrote:it's mwnn + billy or nm
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I moved onto MWNN and I dont understand why you would respond to this interaction between me and lillith the the comment that im voting you.In post 4958, the worst wrote:
aren't... you voting me?In post 4938, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
Its more a end of poe than anything else.In post 4933, lilith2013 wrote:I also don’t think anyone realistically thinks I’m scum the way billy seems to be weirdly side-scumreading me, but it’s such a bad take that idk how to read it.-
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Thanks for this. I dont think MWNN is scum now. I dont think scum MWNN reacts to their partners fakeclaim immediately saying its scum based on the setup.In post 4965, lilith2013 wrote:In post 3152, Zombie Apocalypse wrote:In post 3147, the worst wrote:
it was but what are you like.. claimingIn post 3137, Zombie Apocalypse wrote:masterpiece
I'm a night 2, 3 neapolitan copIn post 3144, Billy Pilgrim wrote: So is this some sort of cop claim? What does the ice cream mean? And gated to n2 and n3?
because neopolitan ice creamIn post 3155, the worst wrote:good soft/crumb, I should sayIn post 3166, the worst wrote:explain pls iv
- how was zombie’s claim a “good claim” when youIn post 3167, TheFourEyedDude wrote:Why would a neopolitan and a role cop both be in town?
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Someone smarter than me explainadmittedthat nothing about that claim was required to be a town role?
- why did you vote zombie over nepenthes in the first place? did that reason disappear because he claimed? did you disagree with SS that it was worth giving nepenthes another day to clear herself? was your scumread on nepenthes that strong?
- why did you go immediately from voting zombie to voting elsewhere and questioning iv for voting zombie? again, what about that claim made you think he was town (or worth defending)?
other thoughts (not directed to duck): thought it was super weird that mwnn was like “this role should be scum since town wouldn’t have a rolecop and neapolitan, right?” while simultaneously unvoting the person he said couldn’t be town
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What do you make of my above point? You think MWNN immediately shades his partner's fakeclaim?In post 4979, the worst wrote:
see this is actually a good point.In post 4976, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
Because you know im not a big advocate of bussing. In fact I only do it when I'm forced into it. Why would I have pushed MWNN as hard as I did D1 if thats one of my partners. Like, that pairing for me specifically doesn't make any sense, and the reason I said it doesnt feel in good faith is because of your history with me.In post 4957, the worst wrote:
very slowly, and while grimacing.In post 4935, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
I dont see how you can come to this solve in good faith at all.In post 4911, the worst wrote:it's mwnn + billy or nm
can you pls critique it and not just shade me
i'm ... actually calling mwnn/nm the simple solution atp-
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I had different thoughts about this almost immediately after I posted because I read lilliths thoughts about it and now I can see a way that it could have been a soft bus.In post 4978, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
Thanks for this. I dont think MWNN is scum now. I dont think scum MWNN reacts to their partners fakeclaim immediately saying its scum based on the setup.In post 4965, lilith2013 wrote:In post 3152, Zombie Apocalypse wrote:In post 3147, the worst wrote:
it was but what are you like.. claimingIn post 3137, Zombie Apocalypse wrote:masterpiece
I'm a night 2, 3 neapolitan copIn post 3144, Billy Pilgrim wrote: So is this some sort of cop claim? What does the ice cream mean? And gated to n2 and n3?
because neopolitan ice creamIn post 3155, the worst wrote:good soft/crumb, I should sayIn post 3166, the worst wrote:explain pls iv
- how was zombie’s claim a “good claim” when youIn post 3167, TheFourEyedDude wrote:Why would a neopolitan and a role cop both be in town?
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Someone smarter than me explainadmittedthat nothing about that claim was required to be a town role?
- why did you vote zombie over nepenthes in the first place? did that reason disappear because he claimed? did you disagree with SS that it was worth giving nepenthes another day to clear herself? was your scumread on nepenthes that strong?
- why did you go immediately from voting zombie to voting elsewhere and questioning iv for voting zombie? again, what about that claim made you think he was town (or worth defending)?
other thoughts (not directed to duck): thought it was super weird that mwnn was like “this role should be scum since town wouldn’t have a rolecop and neapolitan, right?” while simultaneously unvoting the person he said couldn’t be town
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I cant even begin to pause what these mean.
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This seem more solvey tw?In post 3181, TheFourEyedDude wrote:I do believe we should have a discussion before the end of the day as to whether a rolecop and a neopolitan make sense as two town roles.
We have a mod confirmed rolecop in the setup, an informed townie, we likely have either a tracker or a rolestopper, and perhaps a roleblocker on the side of the mafia, and now a neopolitan claim on limited nights. The neopolitan claim seems out of place to me.
I am not saying that Nep is a bad elimination, in fact, I back it for this day as it stands, but, I'm not ready to end without a discussion of Zombie's claim after a rolecop flip. It seems that once we have a full fledged rolecop, the limited night neopolitan is simply a lower utility to town.
I feel as if that is a scum claim. He may very well have the ability, but it is in favor of the mafia, if he does.
This feels like less of a soft bus and more of solving mindset to me.
Re-reading this is increasing my suspicion of lillith though. She votes zombie right after sighing when S_S told her she should be able to mindmeld with him here. Then Zombie claims nea and I dont see a single post from her at that time even interacting with it, and she interacts with literally everything in this game.
Then if im not mistake it was her that said at the beginning of today she wanted to check S_S's posts again today to see if he crumbed a different target.
I think she knew S_S was the cop d2 that got a guilty on Zombie, which is why she voted early, and also why she seemed completely uninterested in that discussion on D2. Then she knew that S_S was a nk target if she couldn't pocket him, which explains why the fuck she was so interested in his read of her.-
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Also this doesnt feel like scumIn post 3220, TheFourEyedDude wrote:I want to vote for the Zombie slot but I am aware that N_M is here and despite being town, I fully believe he will hammer this before the player has an opportunity to respond to the question of the legitimacy of his claim-
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Sorry for being a shitty slot. This is why I volunteered to eat the D1 elim. I could see i was gonna be useless.In post 5020, the worst wrote:consider the value of NM just pushing billy or probably lolhammering for memes etc. etc.
but that is simultaneously a way to resolve two shitty slots, and the only piece of mechanical information we have left in the game.
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Nah, I did try and push you, but like im never confident in my reads. Im always shocked when I correctly scumread someone. Im probably still pushing you tomorrow, (in case you didn't notice, im still on you). Its just that assuming you are scum i dont know your partner. So do I hope this is red? Yes. Do I think it is? No.In post 5040, lilith2013 wrote:so you're going to pretend you didn't just try to push me?-
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So if MWNN is green, and the solve isn't Una/IV, then one of you saying this is scum.In post 5061, the worst wrote:
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mwnn/nm feels like a cheap solve but i'm just not convinced it's not right. if there's a wolf with nm it's necessarily mwnn. if there's a deepwolf with mwnn it's probably una, outlier of iv but i think iv is just town D:
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No thoughts on what the nk says about Una and his role?In post 5122, innocentvillager wrote:if worsty and I are scum we would’ve probably just killed una, it’s like his only read and he’s a PR
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I'm asking what your thoughts are what all the stuff around the NK means for Una's alignment.In post 5124, innocentvillager wrote:are you saying una isn’t a rolestopper because he rolestopped NM and NM died? Una’s claiming he was roleblocked if so
If that’s not it not sure what you’re getting at-
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With* all the stuff around the NK.In post 5125, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
I'm asking what your thoughts are what all the stuff around the NK means for Una's alignment.In post 5124, innocentvillager wrote:are you saying una isn’t a rolestopper because he rolestopped NM and NM died? Una’s claiming he was roleblocked if so
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I dodnt think that was outside the realm of possibility.In post 5127, lilith2013 wrote:am I just being crazy paranoid or do duck and una kind of seem like they’re bussing................
Ok the other 2 people have weighed in. Theres at least 1 scum in duck and una. Otherwise game would be over.
I find it weird that scum would come into this confused gamestate and bus each other out the gate though..
But here's why I'm voting ducky over una today.
Scum!una doesn't kill N_M tonight when ducky's been...weird about him all game. He holsters, essentially locktowning him at the expense of a nothing slot, and we're in M-ELO and he doesn't have to worry about another explanation because he used his 3 shots.
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I dont understand.In post 5131, lilith2013 wrote:that explanation also works almost exactly the same if you flip duck and una...?-
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But scum!Una couldn't frame scum!Duck. It hinged on Una's rolestopper claim. So the conf!town ending up dead means the claimed protective didnt protect the obvious nk target which automatically raises questions about the claimed protective. And ducky literally came out the gate with that. I dont see how that flips.In post 5133, lilith2013 wrote:Scum!duck doesn't kill N_M tonight when una's been...weird about him all game. We're in M-ELO and he doesn't have to worry about another explanation because he's claimed VT.-
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Of course Wifom is a thing, but I think usually Occam's razor matter more. I get that this site tends to focus more on day play, but you're scum Una here and you have been riding a fakeclaim for like 3 days. All of a sudden you make a night kill that puts you in a completely untenable position that requires someone to look at the NK as a frame? You only need one mis-elim and most people didn't have him in his elim pool. Amd he gated his fakeclaim enough that he didn't have to worry about a night action making sense anymore. Hell and I had him as a hard townread based on the N1 result. So he risks the one strong townread he has (because no one short of ducky in this playlist has experience with me and I've been hot garbage this game so no way does scum!Una think this gambit hard pockets me for 3p ELO.)? Or someone killed NM and did something to mess with his protection to be like where the fuck were you last night? You killed the conf!town. And look who came out the gate with that? Ducky. Which entirely fits with the idea of framing Una for the kill.In post 5135, innocentvillager wrote:interesting take, but like, wifom is a thing?
I'll wait out of respect since I'm the worst player in this playlist, but I think duck is scum here.-
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Dude theres at least 1 scum between you and Una. Otherwise the game would be over. As between him and you, I think you're the scum.In post 5144, the worst wrote:
in short: if you're town you're a literal roadblock. if una is town he's a literal roadblock. pls don't throw, reevaluate.In post 5120, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Ok i won't be voting una at all today. Probably gonna vote duck. Wamt to hear what IV and Lillith make of the nk.-
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Damnit dude if you're scum this game, you're a dick, cuz this is soke low shit. But I think im townreading this. And like I said, there is at least one scum in you and Una's 1v1. So if youre town, he's scum.In post 5150, the worst wrote:I'm happy as fuck that we've removed the distractions from endgame but I think it's been well fucking documented that I've thought these people were scum, reevaluated, and come back to thinking that I either scumread them or need them dead to solve this game. I have like 1100 posts of pure read fluidity and I've actually been pushing things in this game.
If you think I'm scum over some pseudo lurker whose entire game has been 1) fakeclaiming rolestopper well, 2) deathtunnelling some shitty solve without stopping to reevaluate or attempting to stop any miselims (WHICH HE WOULD THINK ARE MISELIMS IF HE BELIEVED HIS SOLVE) you need to go back to the newbie queue or town of salem-
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You referring to when Una hammered?In post 5161, innocentvillager wrote:billy can you give your thoughts on the mwnn hammer.-
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Duck, im way over my head this game and have been so for some time. Your frustration reads as genuine, which is why I flipped you and Una. I felt like I was gonna be a liability D1 here which is why I told people to take me out then. Now we're literally in an endgame situation and I'm stuck making a decision between a fakeclaim that is pretty plausible and the dayplay reads that im never confident with. But I just got sank hardtownreading someone after a perfect fakeclaim in response to a gambit in my last mini normal, but I got lucky that other town were able to save us.
I dont know why I play this game.
Someone needs to tell me scum!Una's role. The reason I hardtownread him was because he was a confirmed pr. And clearly he wasn't a roleblocker because nep got her result. So we got a claimed pr with no detail. Do we think this was a 2 rolecop setup and he rolecopped her n1 to clarify? Like what plausibly makes sense there for a scum role?-
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Like do you think this is scum!me and im fucking with you, or do you think I've got a data point that I think is meaningful and im confused why no one else is taking it seriously?In post 5186, the worst wrote:maybe he's a mafia night restricted JOAT n5 cop n6 lightning rod n7 vig