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[Flavor Leaf]

I remember thinking 1 of BattleMage/Gamma/Mini is scum based on Day 1, so I’m just thinking Gamma flips scum here like 9 out of 10 times.

[Flavor Leaf]

“In the case a VT is voted out”

If you’re VT, it wouldn’t be “in the case” it would be a definite.

Also, Name 3 issues with it if you say there’s a lot of moving parts missing.

[Flavor Leaf]

We already are taking a few days because we need Ydrasse to come in.

[Flavor Leaf]

so... the vig shot should also not be announced publicly. we only announce who bob is targeting. then FL shoots someone other than that. and the doc makes a decision for themself. being vague maximizes the odds that our doc stops the kill tonight, and minimizes the odds that the vig kill is stopped. the vig kill being stopped isnt the end of the world but forcing a mislunch tomorrow is kinda bad even if it might happen anyway. we need to flip gamma pooky and creature first though. once we know that doesnt win the game then we can flip me or BM. creature goes last out of gamma pooky and Bm because of my half-clear. the reason i tracked creature is i wanted to track the towniest of the three - the one most likely to be performing the kill. i dont think creature ever sits idly while gamma or pooky do the kill. so creature is prolly town. that leaves the solve as gamma and pooky.

Disagree. This is only an issue ever if Gamma flips town, and even then, in that scenario, I might go rogue with the plan.

But in a way that works. Got it fully covered, Taylor

[Flavor Leaf]

i really don't have the energy/mood to tackle playing right now but i'll read over things, just point me in whatever direction and i'll do it.

I’ll make sure to leave the Plan chart at the end of the day. I’ll quote it now too, just so you got it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Night 3 Plan

If Gamma flips scum doctor, gunsmith Creature, I'm shooting Pooky. Ydrasse doctors Bob.
If Gamma flips scum not doctor, gunsmith becomes irrelevant, I'm shooting Taylor. Ydrasse doctors Flavor Leaf.
If Gamma is town, gunsmith Creature, I'm shooting Taylor. Ydrasse doctors 1 of me and Bob, they don't say it out loud.

In the scenario Gamma is town, I have potential to go rogue. I will only do so after thinking everything over, and that is the only scenario I ever consider going rogue here, and that satiates Taylor’s plan of “don’t think the Vig should claim target”

But really, there are 2 wagons who have had 4 players on them, and 3 towns confirmed in them, Gamma was the mystery on one, and Taylor on the other, so I think VCA points to them as well.

I’m ready to move forward.

Honestly, if Bob wants to target Pooky instead of Creature if Gamma flips town, that’s fine too.

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly I really think Creature is town by play so the only way I accept a plan before I figure out what I'm working on is if he's the proposed survivor.

interesting

what has creature done to make you sure he is town?

Contribute to discussion. Like, a LOT. Flavor said it before, if Creature is scum this game, he's come a long way. Creature is the only person I will accept losing to.

I think the choices should be within BM and Tay in that case.

....

They have a no gun result on them, so if a Maf doc flips, they’re cleared, so they warrant staying alive for the fade.

[Flavor Leaf]

Only options for fade today would be Gamma, Creature, Pooky, and I town read Pooky. He’s completely letting me push a scenario that ends in his defeat if he’s scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lol, BM and I as pals?!?!?!

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh, I thought you meant BM and as buddies, like not in the scum way.

That is interesting. Pooky/Battle Mage.

But yeah, I think Creature/Battle Mage is set to be the finals, and I don’t think Creature/Pooky makes sense as a scum team.

This gives Creature, as scum doctor, gets a pass to the finals. If Pooky and Taylor are town, then Creature is scum.

If Gamma and Creature are town, Pooky/BM is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma-Battle Mage
Pooky-Creature
Taylor-Battle Mage

Don’t make sense as teams or are cleared.

Gamma/Creature
Gamma/Taylor
Gamma/Pooky - this one is now less likely.
Pooky/Battle Mage
Creature/Battle Mage? Is this one possible?

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, if Gamma is town, Ydrasse needs to protect Bob.
Hmm....interesting.

Taylor/Creature is unlikely because both were off Shelly, but I guess possible. This is dealt with, though, because Battle Mage/Taylor can’t be partners.

Okay, I think I’m good to go.

Should we run Gamma up?

[Flavor Leaf]

I think it’s more likely Gamma’s trying to appease to Creature to try to get us to go Pooky today, and then take tomorrow when it gets here.

Gamma also can’t be shot at if the team is Taylor/Gamma, because that would mean Taylor can doc Gamma, so in that scenario, I still shoot Taylor.

Taylor can’t be blocked, because if a no kill happens, and scum decided to doc Taylor, it just means scum doc’d Town Taylor to stop me killing, which they’re not actually gonna do because Taylor conf Doctor if she scum.

There’s also the WIFOM of Gamma/Creature paranoia being built up by Gamma, which will benefit him later likely.

So Gamma can’t get out of today.

[Flavor Leaf]

With any luck, Taylor concedes again down the sights to my Vig shot, in which, I would be fair, and sentence them to the jail cell rather than the graveyard to end this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

With any luck, Taylor concedes again down the sights to my Vig shot, in which, I would be fair, and sentence them to the jail cell rather than the graveyard to end this game.

Nah, let my Vig shot go through. Eh, it counts still regardless. I’m just trying to get to that post game talk now.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma-Battle Mage
Pooky-Creature
Taylor-Battle Mage

Don’t make sense as teams or are cleared.

Gamma/Creature
Gamma/Taylor
Gamma/Pooky - this one is now less likely.
Pooky/Battle Mage
Creature/Battle Mage? Is this one possible?

Where's Tay-Pooky and Tay-Creature in this?

They don't win in my plan because Creature gets gunsmithed, and Taylor is no gun cleared.

[Flavor Leaf]

Taylor/Creature is unlikely because both were off Shelly, but I guess possible. This is dealt with, though, because Battle Mage/Taylor can’t be partners.

how?

they were both no gun cleared.

[Flavor Leaf]

If Johnny-Ydrasse are scum together, they could have just won here bar any Ydrasse really isn’t here shenanigans.

Yeah, we’re living in the darkest timeline with Osuka-Gamma-Taylor flipping scum.

Creature-Pooky
Creature-BattleMage
Battle Mage-Pooky

Which one of them isn’t full of crap right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

The fact both are on creature right now probably indicates Creature scum and one of Pooky/Battle Mage, but losing to BM/Pooky here would suck.

I’m starting to lean Creature/Pooky here, and Creature play yesterday was distancing for the long haul.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like Creature I’ll even go as far as call lock scum right now.

It’s one of BM and Pooky, but they’re bussing here, obviously.

This sucks. I think it’s Creature/Pooky, but that really sucks.

[Flavor Leaf]

I just don’t know if Pooky/battle mage team acts like this.

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly, I think I’m willing to call game on Pooky/Creature.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Pooky is the partner to whoever it is. Creature should be knowing the team is BM/Pooky if he is town, so i don’t think he’s town here.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m actually out of Vig shots. I was 2-shot Vig, I just chose not to shoot Night 2 because I wanted to let it ride for numbers.

Hmm. Yeah, idk. Johnny, Ydrasse, where you guys thinking? Only 1 of them is town.

[Flavor Leaf]

The fact both are on creature right now probably indicates Creature scum

That's pretty surface analysis. Scum can save the trouble if they just build enough momentum on a town today and be done with it.

Yeah, but they look rather odd if they are partners. They’ve been interacting in a way that if they’re scum together, is just kinda weird. All game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why did we even gunsmith Black Mage?

Bob did night 1. He’s confirmed not doctor.

If it’s creature Pooky and we hit the doctor tonight, i think we’re in a good spot.

I’m thinking we go Pooky today, if he flips Doctor, creature is confirmed scum. If he flips scum, battle mage and creature have equal. If he flips town, we lose.

[Flavor Leaf]

if we flip me we lose dude

Because you flip doctor?

[Flavor Leaf]

Bob did get shot over Ydrasse, so scum took a risk.

I don’t think Battle Mage takes that risk. Idk. I think it means Creature is probably Goon.

[Flavor Leaf]

Bob did get shot over Ydrasse, so scum took a risk.

How come?

Because Ydrasse was 50/50 protecting Bob.

[Flavor Leaf]

Creature/Battle mage would have been confirmed not teamed if Creature is town, so there’s reasons either way.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sounds like you’ve thought a lot about it

[Flavor Leaf]

I still think it’s both of you

[Flavor Leaf]

I will say, Pooky is much too easy going for the position we’re in, I feel.

[Flavor Leaf]

why is creature literally just repeating what im saying back to me this is ridiculous

Sorry, not willing to waste time with outed goon

Why can’t he be doctor

[Flavor Leaf]

@Battle Mage - would you consider Pooky first? I think they are the scum doctor

[Flavor Leaf]

Creature, you’re solid to go Pooky, right?

[Flavor Leaf]

why is creature literally just repeating what im saying back to me this is ridiculous

Sorry, not willing to waste time with outed goon

Why can’t he be doctor

If Pooky is doctor then it would mean Johnny lied about being miller to avoid gunsmith check or something, but then someone would have been informed about a cop/gunsmith presence

Nah, Pooky can’t be Doctor because Battle Mage cant be goon.

[Flavor Leaf]

In the scenario Johnny is mafia it's very likely BM is his partner so we're fucked anyway

That means scum no killed Night 1 pointlessly. Golden Paradox was able to lock it in, and I’m sure he would have.

[Flavor Leaf]

Johnny can’t be scum without Ydrasse being scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

cmon creature is obv goon here he thought i was doc

I do think you are the doc.

I also think creature is the goon.

[Flavor Leaf]

Creature’s trying to find alternative solutions to get out of the sticky situation you guys are in it seems.

[Flavor Leaf]

Creature was non stop pushing Pooky yesterday, now look.

Pooky is likely where I want today, but I’ll wait.

[Flavor Leaf]

um you know creature is goon

i know creature is goon

but you want to yeet me anyway? :/

this is kinda a bad way to throw flava flav

Well, I’m dead tonight, so why not for me to try to solve now than later.

If I make the choice that Battle Mage is town, that’s gonna be my overall decision.

Pooky has ScumDoctor equity. Pooky flips ScumDoctor here, then Battle Mage becomes conftown, Creature confscum.

Creature is noticeably different regarding your slot today as well.

I agree with you that Creature is goon.

I want the Doctor today.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s not for no reason?

I won’t be here tomorrow.

Wasn’t this always part of the plan? I told Gamma I would allow for Creature/Battle Mage in the finals.

[Flavor Leaf]

Creatures a lock. I'd rather take him into tomorrow.

Logically BM has higher town odds. Pooks and BM both just freak me out RN honestly

Are you willing to vote Pooky->Creature and just accept defeat if Battle Mage is scum? I’ve made my choice. I’m town binning the BM slot.

If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I had it when I first replaced in, and switched it, and then got tunneled on Taylor.

[Flavor Leaf]

I agree. You flipping scum Doctor effectively does end this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, now I think Creature is actively trying to be killed today.

I think that was always the scum plan.

[Flavor Leaf]

Waiting for someone else to vote. He couldn’t make it that obvious before.

Now that you’re getting ran up, I think it’s fair.

VOTE: Pooky

If you’re town, well, sorry.

I’m just listening to Gamma. You said we could do it yesterday.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is some weird endgame stuff. Either way.

[Flavor Leaf]

Waiting for someone else to vote. He couldn’t make it that obvious before.

Now that you’re getting ran up, I think it’s fair.

VOTE: Pooky

If you’re town, well, sorry.

I’m just listening to Gamma. You said we could do it yesterday.

i didnt think it was going to be mylo today dude

Fair.

3 townies in a row....

[Flavor Leaf]

How is it full throwing? This is just end game basically, dude.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sometimes all it takes for scum is to get one successful pocket at the right time.

Battle Mage/Creature, yeah, I can see them being the scum team. I’m not confident, but it’s as much as I am gonna be today for me to always think you have more of a chance to be scum with either of them.

[Flavor Leaf]

Because I think Creature is actively trying to get faded as ScumGoon.

There is no other reason for him to claim goon here.

If Pooky is Goon, then I’d say Battle Mage is probably the doctor.

If Pooky is Doctor, I’d say Creature is goon.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pooky

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m fully ready to lose the game if BM is scum here.

I picked BM as my townie, I’m sticking to it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Because I think Creature is actively trying to get faded as ScumGoon.


Because I think Creature is actively trying to get faded as ScumGoon.

ok so why would you yeet Pooky-Townie instead of Creature-Goon?

It’s all the same. Why wait until tomorrow to end the game when we can just do it here?

[Flavor Leaf]

I personally think you guys have accepted defeat in your scum thread at this point

[Flavor Leaf]

Creature claiming Goon as scum with Pooky is like the only move Creature could have made to save the game here.

He’s trying so hard not to have Pooky being the fade here.

[Flavor Leaf]

then why doesnt he vote himself

Because he needs 2 votes, probably would if someone voted.

I’m trying to actively avoid having Creature faded here today because it raises the chance of a scum victory.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yes.

[Flavor Leaf]

Then vote Pooky. I’m down to lose off of BMscum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hey, Gamma told me to let Creature go to end game. I’ll do that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why would Creature claim mafia as mafia who was trying to live here?

[Flavor Leaf]

The only options are Creature claimed goon to get faded possibly over you, or creature is town who claimed goon because I was going after Doctor and that would confirm me going there.

But Creature would think you goon if that were the case.

It’s clear why we have to flip within Creature/Pooky in the first place, right?

[Flavor Leaf]

Look at Creature and Pooky's interactions

tonight

.

This shouldn’t say tonight here if you are town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Prob will turn out to be Ydrasse and Johnny lurking the fuck up to victory over some shitty N1 gambit that miraculously worked

I’m feeling this too really

[Flavor Leaf]

Then self vote end it. Let’s see

[Flavor Leaf]

Why would Creature/BM or Pooky/BM look any different? No matter the team, there’s been weird stuff

[Flavor Leaf]

Prob will turn out to be Ydrasse and Johnny lurking the fuck up to victory over some shitty N1 gambit that miraculously worked

I’m feeling this too really

Felt like the gunsmith went down without a fight

No, yeah, I’m with ya.

It really does feel weird Bob got taken out here, but at the same time, scum did have to take the risk no matter what.

[Flavor Leaf]

It only failed if Battle Mage was scum. I explained this.

3 townies in a row was just wack.

[Flavor Leaf]

It sucks, because yes, Creature is conf scum for me. Like I’m not denying that.

Consider this your 1v1 day with Battle Mage, Pooky.

[Flavor Leaf]

Essentially, we are doing the 1v1 now.&

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE: Pooky

1v1

[Flavor Leaf]

See, Pooky keeps saying stuff like “for the win” for situations that work regardless of Pooky’s alignment, so I do believe I am correct that Pooky is scum doc.

[Flavor Leaf]

You should claim scum goon if you are scum goon here

[Flavor Leaf]

How would that help?

You gotta show us why Battle Mage isn’t town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Because if you’re town, you gotta help other townies see it.

Because we’re in a completely circular sense of logic where yes, you could be town, but there’s nothing out there that definitively proves you town over BM here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Because Creature is scum, we’re not trying to figure that out.

It’s out of you and BM.

[Flavor Leaf]

you are the one claiming goon dude

And town now wants either you or BM dead today

Pooky might be town

[Flavor Leaf]

I have no clue right now tbh. Battle Mage, come back and talk to me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Don’t hammer, Ydrasse.

Thoughts on going Creature today?

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Pooky

Full send.

Battle Mage, you doc?

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor you played right into scum’s fucking hands

No, I didn’t. The net just missed a small corner of the bottom of the ocean.

[Flavor Leaf]

Whoever came up with the No Kill is where the scumHonor goes. Risky play worked well. Ydrasse used that Johnny connection well, though. Like I said in the dead thread.

Hit 2 out of 3 scum. No Kill really just won over. I saw that possibility, but frankly, underestimated Pooky/TGP, whichever did, going for a gambit like that.

[Flavor Leaf]

to be fair, I wasn't going for a full mech solve, I definitely mixed in with my own analysis.

The No Kill just really got past me as more than just a possibility. Pooky did well the earlier games to set that up to where anyone who would figure it out, it would be too late.

At least I town read BM correctly.

[Flavor Leaf]

thanks for modding Mizzy!


@ Battle Mage I got u back for that last one

@ Flava Flav this was a ton of fun trying to mind-meld with you.

@ Shelly sorry for the early yeet =] I couldn't let you attack Ydra like that :3 - your reads were very good ^_^

yeah, it got you killed, but it didn't matter if you died. the no kill really did well.

[Flavor Leaf]

i realized something was wrong for sure, I just couldn't figure out what it was. Taking the risk of going after Ydrasse even if something was figured out would have always probably gone a different way. Scum Doctor claiming Doctor straight up was also a weird move, but I guess they even claimed just protective at first, so there were hints, I just don't know if I would have ever taken the risk even if it came up simply because that's a hard one to be wrong on.