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VOTE: RannygazooIn post 14, Rannygazoo wrote:IIRC she did a similar trolly maneuver in Mini Theme 2172Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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do you always assume people who vote for you are scum?In post 16, benhalkum wrote:So, three votes on me "randomly" huh? Well, know where to start looking .
Explain why on first bite randomness a bandwagon is a good idea of you're not scumm.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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If that's a serious question about gameplay/strategy, the answer is bandwagonning on Day 1 is a good way to get information. For instance:In post 19, Rannygazoo wrote:
No and noIn post 15, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Were you scum? Was she scum?
Tentatively agree but I’ll wait to see more before judgingbenhalkum wrote:So, three votes on me "randomly" huh? Well, know where to start looking .
Explain why on first bite randomness a bandwagon is a good idea of you're not scumm.
You can see how people react to coming under scrutiny
You can see how people react to joining bandwagons
You can see whether/how people justify their responses to doing so, and how they interact with each other
Early wagons are helpful. Also, not for nothing, but 1 of the 3 votes on ben was...the first vote...and therefore not a wagon. So I think at best, you could argue the 3rd vote wasn't random, the others easily could have been! And even if votes aren't random, the key is attributing some alignment indicative motive to them.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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i mean, it's a ben reaction - this is exactly what he did as town in the last game all 3 of us were in together. However it did also help cost town the game, so.In post 20, OutWorldER wrote:
random bandwagon early helps solve the guy being wagoned and generates discussion?In post 16, benhalkum wrote:So, three votes on me "randomly" huh? Well, know where to start looking .
Explain why on first bite randomness a bandwagon is a good idea of you're not scumm.
especially helpful since this is a really bad reactionShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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In post 14, Rannygazoo wrote:IIRC she did a similar trolly maneuver in Mini Theme 2172In post 15, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Were you scum? Was she scum?
what is this about?In post 19, Rannygazoo wrote:
No and noIn post 15, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Were you scum? Was she scum?Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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charmingIn post 26, Rannygazoo wrote:
Thanks for the analysis. I'm more interested in what OutWorldER has to say.In post 22, Battle Mage wrote:If that's a serious question about gameplay/strategy, the answer is bandwagonning on Day 1 is a good way to get information. For instance:Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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essentially he was inactive but when he did turn up he just OMGUSed everyone who had been wary of him, and we flipped him because of it. collective responsibility though, we all sucked in that game.In post 25, OutWorldER wrote:
i don't really recall that from o799, I mostly just recall ben being inactiveIn post 23, Battle Mage wrote:
i mean, it's a ben reaction - this is exactly what he did as town in the last game all 3 of us were in together. However it did also help cost town the game, so.In post 20, OutWorldER wrote:
random bandwagon early helps solve the guy being wagoned and generates discussion?In post 16, benhalkum wrote:So, three votes on me "randomly" huh? Well, know where to start looking .
Explain why on first bite randomness a bandwagon is a good idea of you're not scumm.
especially helpful since this is a really bad reactionShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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I'm happy for you to do whatever you choose. But I like to give my 2 cents.In post 29, Rannygazoo wrote:
No disrespect. I'm just going to follow up on the lead, even if you don't think I need to.In post 27, Battle Mage wrote:
charmingIn post 26, Rannygazoo wrote:
Thanks for the analysis. I'm more interested in what OutWorldER has to say.In post 22, Battle Mage wrote:If that's a serious question about gameplay/strategy, the answer is bandwagonning on Day 1 is a good way to get information. For instance:Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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you think Titus moving her random vote on page 1 is a "trolly maneuver"?In post 14, Rannygazoo wrote:IIRC she did a similar trolly maneuver in Mini Theme 2172Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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All good, we coolIn post 32, Rannygazoo wrote:
I didn't mean to discourage you. Sorry if I gave you that impression.In post 30, Battle Mage wrote:I'm happy for you to do whatever you choose. But I like to give my 2 cents.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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my initial suggestion would be...it's very early to draw a conclusion one way or another about Titus' alignment in this game, especially based on the 1-game meta cited and given she only has a couple of non-AI posts.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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tell me what you didnt like about it?In post 35, Titus wrote:
I like us out of RVS asap.In post 31, NoPowerOverMe wrote:So maybe as town Titus likes to reaction vote?
I also didn't like Rannygazoo's vote for weak as fuck reasons, so I voted him and shut up.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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...what's the reason behind your entrance being a tad on the aggressive side? I've previously known you to be a lot more moderate and composed as town.In post 38, Titus wrote:
And this needed saying because?In post 36, Battle Mage wrote:my initial suggestion would be...it's very early to draw a conclusion one way or another about Titus' alignment in this game, especially based on the 1-game meta cited and given she only has a couple of non-AI posts.
All you're doing is stopping scum from whiteknighting me based on flimsy evidence and exposing themselves.
To actually respond to your point, I didn't stop anyone doing anything, by giving a view on something which had already happened.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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you described this quite dramatically as a "vote for weak as fuck reasons".In post 39, Titus wrote:
He says this, yet his vote does nothing to further creating associations or motives by not joining any other wagon.In post 11, Rannygazoo wrote:Let’s generate some noise from which we will derive associations or motives
VOTE: Non Imh
I'd argue it's a vote which isn't for any reason. Much like other votes, including your own. If I was being generous, I'd say you're making something out of nothing here. A more believable explanation for your vote would have been that you thought he was trying to appear helpful and protown/LAMIST with extra superfluous words which didn't really amount to anything. I actually read his vote to be completely unrelated to the narrative.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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The correct answer, per the BM school of scumhunting is...it depends. Context is key. However, generally I look favourably on those who are very eager and assertive with their votes early, and less favourably on those who are more cautious and avoiding the spotlight. A townie's vote is his most powerful weapon, and a good townie will put it to use.In post 41, Rannygazoo wrote:
This is really interesting. Ben thinks it's scummy to bandwagon on page 1. Titus thinks it's scummy NOT to.In post 39, Titus wrote:
He says this, yet his vote does nothing to further creating associations or motives by not joining any other wagon.In post 11, Rannygazoo wrote:Let’s generate some noise from which we will derive associations or motives
VOTE: Non Imh
The way I see it, a random vote on a new wagon is kind of the "default" thing. From scum's perspective, it might be a good thing to do in order to stay unnoticed. But bandwagonning is probably better because it puts pressure on [anyone else but them].
From town's perspective, there's a lot more freedom in choosing what to do, because I know I'm not going to solve the game on page 1. I just need to see content and hopefully it will make sense in retrospect.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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I think you could have made a credible argument that Ranny's post was scummy, but you didn't. That's slightly different than saying your observation was correct, as I've already pointed out why it wasn't (heIn post 46, Titus wrote:That feels like a lot of words to say that my observation was correct but that you assign my rationale no weight. If that's the case though, why are you voting Ranny?didntvote based on a really weak rationale, he gave no rationale for the vote itself).
I was pinged by Ranny's post for the reason I assumed you might have been, as I explained in post 45. I also didn't really understand the attempt to sort you so early based on a 1-game meta and a couple of empty posts.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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my initial take is that this is a defensive (and aggressive) open from Titus. Surprised that in post 49, she didn't probe Ben's line at all - just defended her own position.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Ben, can you please explain what you mean here?In post 47, benhalkum wrote:
Sick of being night killed on day one but ok with making yourself a target?In post 44, Titus wrote:
I'm in a no bullshit mood and I am sick of getting nightkilled day one and then praying people solve without me.In post 42, Battle Mage wrote:
...what's the reason behind your entrance being a tad on the aggressive side? I've previously known you to be a lot more moderate and composed as town.In post 38, Titus wrote:
And this needed saying because?In post 36, Battle Mage wrote:my initial suggestion would be...it's very early to draw a conclusion one way or another about Titus' alignment in this game, especially based on the 1-game meta cited and given she only has a couple of non-AI posts.
All you're doing is stopping scum from whiteknighting me based on flimsy evidence and exposing themselves.
To actually respond to your point, I didn't stop anyone doing anything, by giving a view on something which had already happened.
I mean, unless you know you're safe at night
specifically about Titus making herself a target? and how you infer this means she would be safe at night?Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Post 43:In post 50, Titus wrote:Ranny might actually be scum. 41 is very professory and doesn't move the game forward. Rather it seems that Rannygazoo feels caught in a hard place and would have us debate how long RVS goes on for.
Not sure what to think about BM indulging this in 43.
In post 43, Titus wrote:In post 40, Rannygazoo wrote:@Titus: sounds like you have really high standards for RVSShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Making yourself a target and obvtowning are not necessarily the same thing. If you play in a way which is vocal and brash, you may be a target even if you are not obvtown, as I have learnt in the past. The idea that you wouldn't be NKed at some point in this game is a strange one to be peddling at this stage, especially if you plan to deliberately play in a way where scum might be more likely to kill you. Are you trying to sow the seeds early to justify why you dont get killed?In post 49, Titus wrote:
Well, if I am making myself a target, then I am obvtowning.In post 47, benhalkum wrote:
Sick of being night killed on day one but ok with making yourself a target?In post 44, Titus wrote:
I'm in a no bullshit mood and I am sick of getting nightkilled day one and then praying people solve without me.In post 42, Battle Mage wrote:
...what's the reason behind your entrance being a tad on the aggressive side? I've previously known you to be a lot more moderate and composed as town.In post 38, Titus wrote:
And this needed saying because?In post 36, Battle Mage wrote:my initial suggestion would be...it's very early to draw a conclusion one way or another about Titus' alignment in this game, especially based on the 1-game meta cited and given she only has a couple of non-AI posts.
All you're doing is stopping scum from whiteknighting me based on flimsy evidence and exposing themselves.
To actually respond to your point, I didn't stop anyone doing anything, by giving a view on something which had already happened.
I mean, unless you know you're safe at night
However, no one nightkills the class know it all.
So therefore my goal is to be right, vocal and brash. This prevents scum from lynching or killing me. Well if they do, town will know exactly where I stand and can sheep it.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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yes that makes sense, thanksIn post 59, benhalkum wrote:Yea, the way Titus is acting, to me, is in a way I'd feel comfortable voting her out of it came down to it.
But it's also brash, and scum may see it as a threat if she is in fact town, this targeting her at night.
Unless, she's scum and isn't worried about a night kill.
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Titus, it's probably worth flagging at this stage, TGP's rules which include stuff around being nice and respectful to people in the interest of a pleasant game. I'm not suggesting you've breached that thus far, but it's just worth bearing in mind when using your brash and overly-aggressive persona. it's also best not to let influences outside of this game, affect your play in this one.In post 62, Titus wrote:
I have been nightkilled night 1, three games in a row by not being brash. I'd like to play to day 2. So fuck it. I'll tell you exactly who is scum and who isn't without caring about how it makes you feel.In post 59, benhalkum wrote:Yea, the way Titus is acting, to me, is in a way I'd feel comfortable voting her out of it came down to it.
But it's also brash, and scum may see it as a threat if she is in fact town, this targeting her at night.
Unless, she's scum and isn't worried about a night kill.
If that makes sense.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Speaking from personal experience, I get killed N1 often, and I don't worry about it. It's normally a compliment because scum know I'm a good player and hard to mis-elim.In post 64, Titus wrote:
None of that is what I am saying though. Listen for the love of all that is good, stop typing and start thinking.In post 61, Battle Mage wrote:
Making yourself a target and obvtowning are not necessarily the same thing. If you play in a way which is vocal and brash, you may be a target even if you are not obvtown, as I have learnt in the past. The idea that you wouldn't be NKed at some point in this game is a strange one to be peddling at this stage, especially if you plan to deliberately play in a way where scum might be more likely to kill you. Are you trying to sow the seeds early to justify why you dont get killed?In post 49, Titus wrote:
Well, if I am making myself a target, then I am obvtowning.In post 47, benhalkum wrote:
Sick of being night killed on day one but ok with making yourself a target?In post 44, Titus wrote:
I'm in a no bullshit mood and I am sick of getting nightkilled day one and then praying people solve without me.In post 42, Battle Mage wrote:
...what's the reason behind your entrance being a tad on the aggressive side? I've previously known you to be a lot more moderate and composed as town.In post 38, Titus wrote:
And this needed saying because?In post 36, Battle Mage wrote:my initial suggestion would be...it's very early to draw a conclusion one way or another about Titus' alignment in this game, especially based on the 1-game meta cited and given she only has a couple of non-AI posts.
All you're doing is stopping scum from whiteknighting me based on flimsy evidence and exposing themselves.
To actually respond to your point, I didn't stop anyone doing anything, by giving a view on something which had already happened.
I mean, unless you know you're safe at night
However, no one nightkills the class know it all.
So therefore my goal is to be right, vocal and brash. This prevents scum from lynching or killing me. Well if they do, town will know exactly where I stand and can sheep it.
I'm not saying I'll never be nightkilled. I am saying I am going to force scum into a bad situation if they kill me night 1 because I am sick of it happening.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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I don't agree with your inference that town should ignore odd behaviour early in the game on the basis "everything is weak...it gets players invested", and it's an odd line to take given your earlier claim you didnt want to prolong the RVS. Are you really suggesting it was unreasonable for me to vote for Ranny based on my rationale? If so, I'd be grateful if you could set that out more clearly.In post 55, Titus wrote:
Why not? It's early and everything is weak. If it gets players invested, we can get started. Now if such a basis persisted with nothing more, that's scummy. We're at the point where weak evidence is better than none.In post 51, Battle Mage wrote:I also didn't really understand the attempt to sort you so early based on a 1-game meta and a couple of empty posts.
P.S. ben is town.
On Ben, tell me how confident you are that he is town, and why?Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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You should explain your reasoning. As I see it, a couple of us were discussing why we thought Ben may be town here, and you came in and repeatedly stated "Ben is town" with no justification, which seems a bit like you may have been piggy-backing off a popular sentiment but trying to claim it as an independent read.In post 70, Titus wrote:Can we both agree that Ben is town and move on?Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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I'd say the latter is most likely. And it would accord with the prevailing sentiment in the game to that point, which was that you are a player who tends to go against people who attack you (so clearly scum would prefer not to antagonise you).In post 73, benhalkum wrote:I just want to point out, just because Titus is saying I'm town doesn't mean I automatically agree she is.
Really weird mentioning it more than once.
The paranoid part of me makes me think if she flips scum it's an attempt to get me targeted next.
That or it's an attempt to get me to lay off my suspecion as why would I want to suspect someone who's baking me as town?
I agree Titus labouring the point about you being town without explaining why is odd.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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good take. this is a town-indicative post.In post 77, benhalkum wrote:The weird thing is both battle mage and I are saying about the same thing.
But I'm town and BM can't read?Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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he hadn't made that post until after you said he was town. at best, i'm calling confirmation bias here. really, you need to convince me (and apparently Ben) that you aren't just white-knighting him.In post 76, Titus wrote:
This is why Ben is town ftr.In post 73, benhalkum wrote:I just want to point out, just because Titus is saying I'm town doesn't mean I automatically agree she is.
Really weird mentioning it more than once.
The paranoid part of me makes me think if she flips scum it's an attempt to get me targeted next.
That or it's an attempt to get me to lay off my suspecion as why would I want to suspect someone who's baking me as town?Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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I think I'm gonna VOTE: Titus for the time being. Will catch up on anything I missed later, don't worry (it's late here).Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Only a few posts ago, you made a passionate plea about how you don't want to be eliminated early. Now you don't care what people think of you, even when there is a risk that you might be eliminated as a result? I'm struggling to reconcile these two positions. It seems most likely that you do care what I think of you, but you don't want to acknowledge it because it will be perceived as being too survivalistic, and you've already gone far enough down that road.In post 85, Titus wrote: Also, I don't really care what you think of me BM. I care what you think of others.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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yeah that's sensible. Maybe they will agree with Titus that I am a silly fool who cannot read.In post 87, benhalkum wrote:
I'll hold off for the moment but I'm leaning this way.In post 84, Battle Mage wrote:I think I'm gonna VOTE: Titus for the time being. Will catch up on anything I missed later, don't worry (it's late here).
If like some others to read through the discussion and give their thoughts.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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I am in fact, town here.In post 90, superbowl9 wrote:I think BM might actually be scum here
And yeah ben looks towny to me tooShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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I'm genuinely flattered.In post 151, Alchemist21 wrote:
That Battle Mage is a technical player focused on theory. That’s not a read on their alignment, but it’s good to understand the personality of someone you’re trying to read.In post 143, Non lmh wrote:
what other impressions did you getIn post 98, Alchemist21 wrote:
I agree. The strongest impression I get out of these starting pages is that Titus is Town.In post 92, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I think Titus is town. But I am rarely listened to day 1.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Should be working, so I might not catch up properly tonight, but I have read and I think it's NPOM.
VOTE: NoPowerOverMe
I don't think I dislike any of the wagons currently though.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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The amount of people townreading Titus would ordinarily make me think she is slightly more likely to be town, given high-profile scum tend to have a low level of heat as their partners distance from them. and it's normally fair to assume a proportion of those early game premature townreads is just scum buddying town.
However, I imagine Titus-scum would have been pretty zero-tolerance on her teammates undermining her in any way, so maybe not true here.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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i'm gonna make some food, and i'm gonna read, and then i'm gonna vote for somebody.
i'm just happy i lived long enough to bitch about that quick-elim on Ben who ACTUALLY PLAYED WELL.
ok rant over, new day it isShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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real talk, i like you, but you hammered a town PR and didn't even let me post my shit first.In post 301, OutWorldER wrote:Battle Mage is here too he knows.
but real talk at worst I hammered a VT who was playing anti-town and at best we caught scum.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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what is this supposed to mean?In post 316, Titus wrote:I feel more confident in my reads since no one died last night, but I suppose everyone should feel that way.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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have you played with him before?In post 318, Titus wrote:
I think it's obvious him and FL are probably town given the reactions at EoD yesterday.In post 314, Battle Mage wrote:
real talk, i like you, but you hammered a town PR and didn't even let me post my shit first.In post 301, OutWorldER wrote:Battle Mage is here too he knows.
but real talk at worst I hammered a VT who was playing anti-town and at best we caught scum.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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yes but what would you have meant, if nobody had died?In post 321, Titus wrote:
It's an error. I missed Andres dying.In post 319, Battle Mage wrote:
what is this supposed to mean?In post 316, Titus wrote:I feel more confident in my reads since no one died last night, but I suppose everyone should feel that way.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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like what were you getting at, when you claimed not to realise somebody had diedShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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I've played with Outworld before. I definitely wouldn't agree the way yesterday ended makes him "obvious" town. I also think there's a balance to strike here - generally agree that brazen moves more often come from town but an all-round endorsement of recklessness is problematic for the game.In post 322, Titus wrote:
Overworld no. FL yes. Such brazen moves are unlikely to be scum. FL!scum is unlikely to outright locktown such behavior.In post 320, Battle Mage wrote:
have you played with him before?In post 318, Titus wrote:
I think it's obvious him and FL are probably town given the reactions at EoD yesterday.In post 314, Battle Mage wrote:
real talk, i like you, but you hammered a town PR and didn't even let me post my shit first.In post 301, OutWorldER wrote:Battle Mage is here too he knows.
but real talk at worst I hammered a VT who was playing anti-town and at best we caught scum.
S v T is just not happening.
T v S is possible but unlikely given the locktown status granted by FL. Be suspicious if FL walks this back.
S v S is unlikely as it's too dramatic a link.
T v T is the most likely scenario.
I still need to read properly.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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I suppose that would make sense, if everybody had identical reads.In post 327, Titus wrote:In post 325, Battle Mage wrote:
yes but what would you have meant, if nobody had died?In post 321, Titus wrote:
It's an error. I missed Andres dying.In post 319, Battle Mage wrote:
what is this supposed to mean?In post 316, Titus wrote:I feel more confident in my reads since no one died last night, but I suppose everyone should feel that way.
If nobody died, given Ben flipped roleblocker, a doctor would likely be the save. Since scum don't shoot people with bad reads (generally), it makes more sense to double down on reads.In post 326, Battle Mage wrote:like what were you getting at, when you claimed not to realise somebody had died
But they don't.
So what in the heck are you on about?
Are you really saying that, if there is a doc save, everyone must believe they were shot for their own amazing reads? not everybody is so arrogant. And why does the Doc save even matter in that context?
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if OutworldER is scum, he has experienced teammates. Would probably imply at least 1 of Titus/Flavor Leaf as scum too.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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he was super bombastic and confident on Day 1. I don't think he's the type to go balls-out like that, unless he was confident his team would carry the victory.In post 352, Alchemist21 wrote:
Why do you think that?In post 349, Battle Mage wrote:if OutworldER is scum, he has experienced teammates. Would probably imply at least 1 of Titus/Flavor Leaf as scum too.
Plus I'm thinking experienced scum anyway, given a lesser known player got NKed.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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my take is he leveraged the fact I had done something like that in my last game with him, as a crutch to absolve himself of responsibility.In post 353, Alchemist21 wrote:
What’s your take on Overworld’s hammer?In post 351, NoPowerOverMe wrote:VOTE: Flavor Leaf
I remeber him being the strongeest proponent of ben's elimination.
That doesn't imply he's necessarily scum, but it means it's not something I townread either.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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yeah i'd clocked it too. NAGL.In post 357, Rannygazoo wrote:What to make of wiyvern ignoring this game? I checked and he’s active in another current game.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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that's not what i said. i said he had seen ME do it before.In post 358, Alchemist21 wrote:
If he’s done it before I would just think it’s impulsiveness on his part.In post 355, Battle Mage wrote:
my take is he leveraged the fact I had done something like that in my last game with him, as a crutch to absolve himself of responsibility.In post 353, Alchemist21 wrote:
What’s your take on Overworld’s hammer?In post 351, NoPowerOverMe wrote:VOTE: Flavor Leaf
I remeber him being the strongeest proponent of ben's elimination.
That doesn't imply he's necessarily scum, but it means it's not something I townread either.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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I don't love Outworld on this page.
that's the sort of non-committal phrasing which i see from scum more than town. Makes the vote seem un-serious, and town shouldn't want their votes to seem un-serious, but scum might if they don't want to ruffle feathers.In post 404, OutWorldER wrote:VOTE: NoPowerOverMe
I think this is a good place to parkfor the time being.
I feel like you answered your own question here - you agree you played differently, so why ask something so inane as "where do you get this impression of me?" when you know we have only shared 1 game together and i've already said that's the basis of my assessment. It's a question for the sake of asking a question - more of a scum posturing move than town move.In post 403, OutWorldER wrote:
Where do you get this impression of me? In Open 799 (the game we played together) I was also rather confident in my reads/solve though I will agree I wasn't as explosive as I was at D1 EoD this game.In post 354, Battle Mage wrote:
he was super bombastic and confident on Day 1. I don't think he's the type to go balls-out like that, unless he was confident his team would carry the victory.In post 352, Alchemist21 wrote:
Why do you think that?In post 349, Battle Mage wrote:if OutworldER is scum, he has experienced teammates. Would probably imply at least 1 of Titus/Flavor Leaf as scum too.
question to Ranny, which basically amounts to "you are voting for me, please stop that".In post 402, OutWorldER wrote:@RannyI want to get into your head-space a little bit. Why do you feel perceived inconsistency in reads and other such topics (I say perceived because you obviously don't have access to my own thought processes) is scum indicative?
question to Titus which basically amounts to "please help me wagon NPOM". Also, I definitely fall in the low-effort camp, but he singles out NPOM and Superbowl only. I'm sure there are others too. Low effort doesn't mean scum though, especially in this game where scum appears to be off to a good start.In post 401, OutWorldER wrote:time for 10 am tiredposting
leanscum on NPOM and Superbowl9. Both seem to be putting forth incredibly little effort to the game, their reads and votes (what few they've put forth) are incredibly lazy.
FL probably town. I don't think scum outright locktown's such a controversial move and I see no reason for him to pocket me. Same logic for Titus.
Want to hear more from Alch, but what little they've posted seems towny.
@Titushave your opinions on NPOM changed from yesterday? I agree with your take on SB9 but I actually feel worse about NPOM due to the fact that he's just kind of ignoring me and the main topic of discussion to push FL. Gives me bad vibes.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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perhaps im just a little bitter that nobody followed me onto NPOM yesterday, and suddenly now after flipping 2 power-roles, others are catching onShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Titus - my reflection on your Superbowl analysis below is... it's arguably lining up elims, but it's also fairly understandable. If someone lolhammers town, they should be the first person looked at the following day. Knowing Superbowl, I don't read so much into the "policy" stuff, as he is prone to hyperbole and being a little over-zealous at times. Not enough for a vote from me.
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This rapid shift from we got scum wagoned to Ben is likely town, policy lynch OutWorldER is particularly jarring.
Bolded is showing the read shift.
Underlined is where Superbowl9 shows he has no interest in sorting OutWorldER if Ben flips town.
It's chaining lynches in its worst form.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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lots of flip-flopping here. FL goes from stating it's all town on the wagon, to 1-2 scum max on the wagon, back to being certain that it's all town on the wagon.In post 365, Flavor Leaf wrote:Personally,I don’t think it’s impossible for Ben wagon to be all town.
However, off the wagon was killed, soI’m thinking 1 maybe 2 scum max on the wagonfor clarity sake.
superbowl9, Titus, NoPowerOverMe - is the spot where one would be on that wagon.
SuperBowl kinda looks like irritated scum. And NPOM immediately went to come after me.
No way is there scum that isn’t off the wagon, so I’ll look there in a bit.
I don’t think Titus is scum here because the town reads she stated makes sense based on her skills with wagonomics.
I'm also not mad about the idea we look away from the wagon - think there's a decent chance of scum on wagon.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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I'm not big on the Titus tunnel below. Fundamentally the conclusion doesn't bear much resemblance to the reality of what transpired. Ben was vocal, clearly scumhunting, not trying to buddy anyone, and not really hedging his bets. He was basically acting like your typical enthusiastic Day 1 townie. Titus took umbridge with his retaliation towards her, whilst at the same time calling him meek and weak. At best, not a fair assessment.
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How do you mean, the underlined isn't true? You areIn post 422, Titus wrote:
The underlined isn't true. By saying scum must be off the wagon, he's saying the entire scumteam wasn't on the wagon. He's not saying the wagon is pure town.In post 419, Battle Mage wrote:
lots of flip-flopping here. FL goes from stating it's all town on the wagon, to 1-2 scum max on the wagon, back to being certain that it's all town on the wagon.In post 365, Flavor Leaf wrote:Personally,I don’t think it’s impossible for Ben wagon to be all town.
However, off the wagon was killed, soI’m thinking 1 maybe 2 scum max on the wagonfor clarity sake.
superbowl9, Titus, NoPowerOverMe - is the spot where one would be on that wagon.
SuperBowl kinda looks like irritated scum. And NPOM immediately went to come after me.
, so I’ll look there in a bit.No way is there scum that isn’t off the wagon
I don’t think Titus is scum here because the town reads she stated makes sense based on her skills with wagonomics.
I'm also not mad about the idea we look away from the wagon - think there's a decent chance of scum on wagon.surethere was scum on the wagon?Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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nah you wouldnt be asking that question, coz im 100% NKing you last night if i'm scum hereIn post 428, Flavor Leaf wrote:How is this a curveball? I felt like multiple people this game was trying for this.
Is this what scumBattleMage looks like?
it was a curveball as i resisted the urge to join the momentum-wagon on NPOM, to vote with him. I'm a maverick like that.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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