Mini Normal 2177 | Town Win

[TheGoldenParadox]

i promised mathdino, back in 2017, I would policy NM in every game i played with him.

i'm keeping that promise.

VOTE: NM

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i'm going to advocate hard for a nm policy today because their shit is objectively antitown and no one wants it

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@noraa want to join me on that?

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VOTE: noraa

lurker noraa is scum noraa

pings me as town

Spoiler: nm's shit

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

If town struggles with a consensus when we are nearing deadline, I want to say this is a very good PL right here. It is goddamn near impossible to read NM. I cannot and unless someone else here can, this is the first lim that we go to if we are PLing.

i agree with you and you're probably town here

nepenthe vented to medbay!

vote: nepnethe

looks town

*waves*

*looks at taytay sternly*
I gets to welcome the newbies >:(

the irony- jkjk noraa love you
yeah noraa is town

Mod notes:

nepenthe has another (expired on 2020-11-13 03:28:34) to remember Mini Normal 2177 exists before I start looking for a replacement.

So he never vented? That can't be true..

vote: shellyc

I regret to inform you that we cannot launch the user "shellyc", as she is not on the playerlist of this game. -S

rock also looks town here, and the mod note makes them look townier

VOTE: zurel

Sup folks?

Schadd game in the normal queue. Oxymoron.

don't like herta's opening

VOTE: Jackooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

JACKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

VOTE: NORAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

NORAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Please count vote

JACKOOOOOOO
*performs the summoning wild Jackos ritual*

It worked! :O

okay this seems like town jackson

VOTE: Geraint

May as well get this over with now

should I be on my own wagon too? I feel I should be...

anyways, it is the 12th today....

You have no wagon. But I'm sure one can be made if you ask nicely.

oh, give it time. they'll be one arriving shortly....

this interaction pings me as manufactured and fake s/s
nm is also looking mildly scummy + i have a lot of townreads so nm is my vote today

[TheGoldenParadox]

nm have you ever made a good post
or a funny post
or just anything that wasn't bland, unimaginative, and lame

[TheGoldenParadox]

nm is also looking mildly scummy + i have a lot of townreads so nm is my vote today

dislike this if you follow through and actually votepark/stop trying to solve other slots for the rest of the day

obviously i'm trying to solve other slots i don't do voteparking

[TheGoldenParadox]

i'm going to advocate hard for a nm policy today because their shit is objectively antitown and no one wants it

nm is also looking mildly scummy + i have a lot of townreads so nm is my vote today

Do you want NM out because they're antitown or because they're scummy? Make up your mind.

both, actually. they are antitown, and they're

mildly

scummy although it's not a hard read.

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@noraa want to join me on that?

The answer was yes ... until I saw this post:

pings me as town

Post is too long so I snipped it for you but the gist of it is Golden gives like twenty billion people a town pass. That aint towny behavior if u ask me. VOTE: Golden

Town is paranoid and scared. Aint no town out there handing out town passes for no legit reason. Taylor's entrance post DID NOT say absolutely ANYTHING about her.

no, i repeat on a couple people. i have two townreads (rock, you) and two townleans (taylor, jackson) but i see why it might have been confusing. taylor's entrance post definitely said things about her, and i townread them. entrances are hard to fake well, which is why it's easier to get good reads near the beginning of the game.

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Subject: Micro 764: Marked For Death #2: Dead Thread

i'm policy lynching not_mafia in every future game

I will SEARCH for games with you and notmaf to help you policy lynch him.

VOTE: noraa you have a solid townread on NM, but you claimed that you cannot read him? sorry, i don't buy it.

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hiii noraa would you like to reevaluate your read on me because you know i'm town :^(

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vt

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VOTE: taylor yeah, i'm on board with that.

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noraa why don't you try imagining me as town
upon my townflip, what are your new reads

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Shelly welly

shelly is... the mod.

indeed. -S

[TheGoldenParadox]

voted taylor because i scumlean her but mainly because of wagonomics
i think my wagon is scum driven, so the primary alternative to my wagon (taylor) is probably town driven and more likely to be scum

[TheGoldenParadox]

voted taylor because i scumlean her but mainly because of wagonomics
i think my wagon is scum driven, so the primary alternative to my wagon (taylor) is probably town driven and more likely to be scum

"scum driven"
you are currently shading your TR Noraa

you're not driving my wagon

[TheGoldenParadox]

Wow TGP sure dropped his dedication to my policy elim awfully quickly

mhm. after it wasn't favored by anyone, he dropped it like it never existed.

lim can't happen if they're not favored by anyone unfortunately

[TheGoldenParadox]

How accurate are your reads, Nora?

I haven't had that much experience playing mafia. Some games my reads are shockingly accurate and then I .... die night 1/2. Some games my reads are bullshit and I live til endgame for those trash reads.

I'm feeling good about this game. I think it's going to be one of my shockingly accurate ones.

oh my god

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Also um sorries for spamming the fuck out of this game ... my post count is like 3x the majority of everyone else's.
I been getting too excited trying to find the solve :/

noraa this is just overconfidence. it's nothing else. you're improving, but you VASTLY overestimate how good your own reads are.

Hiraki and Golden are basically lockscum atm fmpov.
Jacko is debatable. I hate that he TRs golden for a crappy vt claim but I am willing to go either way on this slot.

I want a Golden lim today. If it flips green, ok I will shut up and reassess the game state(I admit, I might be overly confident). If it flips red, it means that all this resistance towards me was scum knowing that I will take a town leader position once I push a scum to their death so, they are trying to discredit my reads because of their shockingly high accuracy.

shockingly high accuracy. town leader position ...yeah. noraa, choosing a random townie and death tunneling them looks like something you do in FAR too many games. it's absolutely ridiculous, and you need to stop because it's inaccurate. if you'd like me to go through all of your games and find your d1 deathtunnel and look at their probability of being scum, i'll do it, but it's definitely nowhere near how accurate you state it is.

I'm trying to weigh whether noraa's ridiculous and incorrect overconfidence this game is newbtown or scum. I'm leaning heavily towards the former, mostly because I've heard noraa doesn't like scum as well as [redacted]

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I'm leaning heavily towards the former, mostly because I've heard noraa doesn't like scum as well as [redacted]

oh sorry, meant to add that she's clearly enjoying this game, so i still townread her although she's incredibly misguided.

[TheGoldenParadox]

Golden, what're your reads?

trs on jackson, rock, noraa, fuzzy, hiraki, zurel

srs on taylor, gerantium, herta

shoshin is null and nm is "fuck if i know"

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So TGP is still alive huh

love you too nm

[TheGoldenParadox]

I'm leaning heavily towards the former, mostly because I've heard noraa doesn't like scum as well as [redacted]

oh sorry, meant to add that she's clearly enjoying this game, so i still townread her although she's incredibly misguided.

Dont use an ongoing Golden. You know nothing about my meta and using something weak like that to give me a TR is not acceptable.

don't use an ongoing game to... inform my reads? what?

[TheGoldenParadox]

Dont use an ongoing game for anything. I've made super vague references to ongoings and gotten warnings for it. As long as someone reports it, u get a warning.

if you're suggesting something that I did breaks site rules, then please report my post/message the game mod/contact the listmods in the appropriate manner. stop passively aggressively suggesting in thread that i'm breaking site rules. thanks.

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This is a vote i don't like.

There was a washy unvote, and then soon after they decide to join a new wagon with zero reasoning. I scrolled through their ISO and couldn't spot any recent mention of fuzzy logic (who I really hope is named after the SFA album).

This has gotten my notice

I dont have the exact same reasoning but I didn't like this vote either. Geraint, join me on Golden and end this day. This game is dead and stalling anyways.
Theres only two outcomes:
Golden flips red.
This means I was not in fact tunneling for no reason.
Golden flips green.
This means I was stuck on something for no good reason and I will reassess immediately tomorrow and be much more open to new opinions.

Either outcome is good for town.

mislims are not, in fact, good for town. furthermore, you CONSISTENTLY tunnel town, so consistently, over and over again, you are wrong, and consistently, you still KEEP DOING THIS.
you're setting up your ego to not be hurt when i flip town "oh but they just looked so scummy so it's okay that i deathtunneled them" and it's absolutely ridiculous. stop being overconfident in your reads.

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Right now there are no better options. Look at the suggestions : Taylor, Rockhopper, Zurel, Fuzzy

Basically just a huge group of lurkers. Those are compromise wagon material. Golden is the best lim today. Nothing is happening here. Let's just end the day rn.

People that have even just a SL on golden, vote with me.
VOTE: GOLDEN

"yes, the alternative wagons are on lurkers, therefore let's lim town."
oh my god noraa. check your ego.

[TheGoldenParadox]

mislims are not, in fact, good for town. furthermore, you CONSISTENTLY tunnel town, so consistently, over and over again, you are wrong, and consistently, you still KEEP DOING THIS.

Can you not shade me based on my literal like three newbie games?

uh. what?

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good point. I didn't notice this part of the sentence. I only skimmed and saw an unvote. Thats quite some shade on me :/

maybe... you should stop assuming everything is a personal attack on you jesus

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like, i click on noraa's games and she tunnels people to death who then flip town
examples: redados here, battle mage here

there are more but she posts so much it's hard to read through her iso

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LOLZERS. I hope you realize that when I was tunneling Redados, I was scum so that really doesn't count.

apologies, i missed that part.

you... definitely did not replace into random facts. what?

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i'm more enthusiastic and excited as scum, i would say. i fight harder and respond to pressure more aggressively. it's not blatant differences, but they're there.

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there are exactly seven vanity wagons this is ridiculous

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Golden, what's the difference between your town & scum play?

if i may, as town golden is probably out there trying to find the scum and kill them, while as scum golden is trying not to get killed and instead convince townies to kill each other.

wonderful

[TheGoldenParadox]

So, you dont support golden wagon but you dont ask me to assume he's town.
is it possibly because you think it'll look sus when he flips red because you KNOW he will?
Or is it that Herta is ur partner?

wavering on the TR here. Im retracting the TR. UR null. We can go from there.

noraa please stop making a boatload of assumptions

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Golden, if ur town, u should be making a last reads list for us. Not try so hard to escape the rope.

uh, something like half the players in this game are townreading me, so no. letting myself be limmed is killing an IC fmpov, so yeah, i really should be trying not to get limmed. this is a terrible post and makes me question my tr on noraa.

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if golden flips red like I think he will anytime this game, NM will be locktown fmpov.

VOTE: gerantium
i'm more on board with this, tbh.

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VOTE: herta poor logic, generally scumreading them, and i see this wagon today.

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Golden is town from wagonomics;

wow that's it? ur probs a partner then :/

oh my god
this is toxic. your death tunneling and hyperposting is ridiculous. i don't understand how you come at things from such a ridiculously confbiased viewpoint and expect people to engage you in good faith when you don't reciprocate.

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This may be a learning experience for me and I may come off as extremely mean this game. Either way, I believe you are scum and my soul is dead set on it. Theres no changing my mind

if you're scum this game, i will have some choice words with you postgame. if you are, this is toxic scumplay.

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no, there really isn't that much for me to comment on. there's quite a bit of fluff. obviously i agree with the herta wagon and am happy to see them limmed today, and i'm fairly confident that slot flips red.

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Go off about how someone that's been onsite 3 months has a bad day 1 solve and is overconfident cuz her last few games went well.

interesting flashwagon; i agree with it somewhat but will let NL produce some more content before letting that go to l-2

VOTE: noraa yeah i'm really not feeling the way she is choosing to push hiraki and not me today it seems uncharacteristic

[TheGoldenParadox]

Go off about how someone that's been onsite 3 months has a bad day 1 solve and is overconfident cuz her last few games went well.

interesting flashwagon; i agree with it somewhat but will let NL produce some more content before letting that go to l-2

VOTE: noraa yeah i'm really not feeling the way she is choosing to push hiraki and not me today it seems uncharacteristic

lmfao that TR on me really did disappear fast for you. maybe I shouldn't have reassessed at the end of yesterday. ur super scummy.

it took several irl days but do go off

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Ego post

Hey everyone!!! Idk what my previous slot has claimed but just to make everything simple:
I'm cop, I checked CreativeMod1 Last night and got that they're Town, if I die in the night then you know to trust it

VOTE: unvote

Idk if I'm voting anyone yet but just in case, I'm gonna unvote until I've had a chance to look through things

In the mean time, can everyone give me a quick little run down of who looks townie/scummie and why? given that you've voted off a scum, I'd assume there's lots of reads based on that vote

these are scumposts VOTE: creativemod this is laughably scummy

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Geraint not happening today? Bummer.
How about VOTE: TGP?

this is a HORRIBLE vote, not necessarily because of who it's on, but because it looks exactly like scum trying to find a miselimination as opposed to town trying to observe, form reads, and solve the game. the switch off geraint felt terribly fake. i still think cm1 is scummier considering their past posts as well as taylor's posts but i'm not opposed to this elimination today.

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is this just the solve? {herta, cm1, no łynch}?

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okay, then let's get cmod and we can sort the rest out tomorrow?

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Im already voting there but for emphasis,
VOTE: Cmod
FOR THE WIN!

yeah okay this is a blatantly towny post

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noraa since you are here
do you think zurel is scum

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or i guess i mean the zurel slot

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noraa since you are here
do you think zurel is scum

no I do not think zurel is scum.

why not?

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i'm really feeling toogeloo town. their thought processes are transparent and clear, their reads are reasonable and i can see where they got each of them, in general i'm agreeing with most of their reads and the ones i don't agree with (no łynch and rock) i can clearly see where they are coming from.

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huh
my elim pool is {no lunch, cmod}
it's cmod over no lunch but like no lunch is insanely scummy too

noraa do you think scum!cmod implies scum!NM

[TheGoldenParadox]

noraa what's your exact role

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I don't think I believe this claim tbh but whatever

VOTE: CMod1

well we know who's scum if this flips red

[TheGoldenParadox]

okay noraa if your role is something like disloyal checker then it's an inno but like. make COMPLETELY sure that mechanically you have an innocent please

[TheGoldenParadox]

At least I didn't roll vig :/
last time I rolled that, I shot two town prs

yeah.

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SHHHH this game has been a mess. I always end up way too confident as pr :/

you should probably work to tone this down in the future, because it's an insanely easy PR tell if you do it often.

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noraa, did you ever crumb?

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not sure why this thread was locked & shelly isn't online right now. i've unlocked, sorry if that's a mistake!

i believe cmod has been hammered, no?

[TheGoldenParadox]

I am the town Notice watcher
I watched Noraa last night ........ either no one visited or I was role blocked.Given the set up roleblock seems odd but i guess its possible

fuzzy, was your result PM closer to "you recieved no result/no one visited your target last night" or "your action was blocked and you recieved no result"

[TheGoldenParadox]

STOP FUCKING CLAIMING AND GIVE ME ONE SECOND

[TheGoldenParadox]

sorry that was overly aggressive but we are giving scum FAR too much information.

[TheGoldenParadox]

we are eliminating one of {fuzzy, NM} today.

fuzzy cannot have been roleblocked, because roleblocked investigatives are told they are roleblocked in Normal games.
thus, if they are telling the truth that they saw nothing, NM must be scum lying.
otherwise, fuzzy is lying.

pedit: was about to vote for nm but VOTE: fuzzy good game

[TheGoldenParadox]

what? you played pretty well, imho town just had excellent synergy this game

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i disagree like. pretty strongly
assuming all these claims didn't happen, we would have gone cmod d2, NL d3, NM d4, and fuzzy d5 for the win. this was a game won on dayplay, and noraa's accidental innocent and NM's stupid gambit simply accelerated the win.

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I love how I didn't actually catch a single scum this game. It's impressive.
I need to get a scummie for worst town play ever lmfao

i think this misses the point. you were one of the main participants in strong town synergy that led to first herta's death, then cmod's, then fuzzy for the win.

like imagine if you had pushed just a little bit harder on me d1

[TheGoldenParadox]

that's just claims
we should probably wait until we see the setup until we call it townsided

[TheGoldenParadox]

noraa, your role is essentially vt
and i think nm was a vt as was i so

[TheGoldenParadox]

oh right u were bulletproof so bulletproof, joat, doc vs watcher and 2 good in a - remember - 12 player game.

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2 goons*

considering that it's 12p not 13p, this might even have been slightly scumsided.