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[JohnnyFarrar]

I'm a Bob. Hello! Sleepy catchup incoming. While I read, somebody come tell me who to vote

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You did that for me JV

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the question is more why did you not vote in general?

By not voting and seeing how people react to that, I am participating in the beginning stages of the game just as much as anybody else is.

So what did you learn

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Just so you all know this is my first forum mafia game. My experience with mafia is with games that take 1-3 hours lol

Should you not have been in a newbie first? Is that not a rule anymore?

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Pretty happy w/ my vote rn

I'll join you for now.
VOTE: Trendall

I like this

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"Happy with my vote" used to be a pretry common thing to say

Almost surreal to see it's sus now

Truly wild. I been gone like 5 years and the subtle differences are hitting me so hard

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I definitely find that a weird place to just flip out on me. Cuz it felt like he was indeed trying to pocket to some extent, even if only during RVS. The immediate flip afterwards over literally nothing was extremely weird to me. I don't understand why scum!Glitch or town!Glitch ever does that :/

I find flip flopping town AI

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Pretty confident in glitch town

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Nopo calls Trendall sheepish here for voting glitch off his little tiff with Noraa, and that's a little misleading for a couple reasons: Noraa wasn't voting glitch at the time and I don't personally think Noraa was at a place where she was inspiring sheep. Feels like a stretchy reason to give for voting Trendall and a way to gas Noraa up at the same time.

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If we're struggling to get serious stuff going, how about we get no one today and try on the next day? We'll have a night of information then to work things out VOTE: Skip?

I love this post ngl.

Hard agree

[JohnnyFarrar]

Please explain how me using these acronyms = scum?

Uh oh you're so town don't slip on me now

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If he truly thought I were scum, he would engage me, ask me question, poke around, and then case me.

Is this knowledge of Trendall as a person or just you thinking everyone should act the same?

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Lel give it some time. Im sure it'll get better once everyone starts talking. Glitch'll hav more to work with.

Are y'all just buddies? Where is this trust coming from?

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I'm on glitches side with this one
I don't think he's tunneling, I do think Trendall is being a tad uncooperative. Idk what to make of that

I also wanna note that flub dissappeared after I voted them. Seems kinda scummy.

VOTE: trendall

WOAH don't like this.

Picking sides why? You say in this post you don't know what to make of trendall (despite voting them) so does this mean you townread glitch? Or you agree with his logic, but not so far as to actually scumread trendall? Looks like a shameful pocket attempt on glitch

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PAGE ELEVEN IS WHERE I'M STOPPING BECAUSE I'M SLEEPY. probably. Stay tuned to find out if i have sold control.

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Page 11 got gobbled up by trendall and glitch. Trendall 's "put your bad feeling into words or it doesn't count" pushback against glitch isn't my favorite

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Because it's like 'no it's not' or 'no I wouldn't' and that's the end of it. I can't present a good counterargument to something that literally isn't an argument and is just a statement in the first place.

Why do you feel the need to counter argue?

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Hiraki is reading you as a noob and is really frustrated with you. Then after he spent so much time responding to you, he read something you wrote that really made him feel like he was wasting his time engaging you and he became very frustrated. I understand his frustration but just don't take it that far.

Which again would make me think that they are town because if they were a mafia, then surely if they think a player is a village idiot or whatever they would think 'great, I can take advantage of this' or something similar. Town have reasons for getting annoyed with another player being stupid or whatever it is that they thought they perceived, whereas mafia actually have no reason to be annoyed about that.

That was the basis behind my, again v light town read on Flubbernugget too, they seemed mildly annoyed at me for not conforming to the random vote thing and that was the reason for their vote, which is not suspicious at all.

I actually dig this read. Hiraki can go in the townbin

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A few things to note so far into the game:
1) I dont have a reads list yet. I'll try to get one soon but nothings clicking with me well enough yet :<
2) Plus is being awfully quiet. I have a terrible time trying to sort this slot and I literally almost always end up SRing this slot. Like legit last time I was in a game with him, I was scum and I legit for a second was like gosh plus is really sus. But seriously he is NEVER this quiet. I have super duper conflicting feelings about plus bc I straight up have never read him right before but I'd like to hear him respond to this as well as other people's opinions on Plus this game. Dont just look at this game tho. Def check out some meta bc he tends to always be a lil scummy and I have a hard time determining how scummy does he have to act for me to know he legitimately rolled scum bc I really can't tell.
3) aggressiveness idk if its normal for glitch cuz in the large theme that just ended with glitch, I do not think he tunneled me this hard. Like I was annoyed but I felt trendall was really frustrated at one point.
4) Do not be fooled by Bob's towniness. He fooled me to hell and back in Random facts. I take it that he just has a really towny playstyle but I haven't found what exactly can determine whether or not he is scum.
5) that's all for today. thanks for coming to my ted talk

1) I have a ranking at this point. It goes Glitch -> Trendall -> Hiraki - > Everyone null -> you for this post - > nopo -> Plus. With the caveat that if I'm wrong about one of Glitch / Trendall, I'm wrong about both because I don't see them on opposite teams here. You had nothing? By page THIRTEEN?

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Noraa, if you had to choose which of Glitch v Trendall is the scum and why?

In TvTs that get big and die down, I generally always think the tunneler is the scum unless the one being tunneled did some crazy shit.

This is a bad assumption and you should probably stop making it

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Noraa, if you had to choose which of Glitch v Trendall is the scum and why?

I like this question

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Is this knowledge of Trendall as a person or just you thinking everyone should act the same?

He's never met me before but he thinks that there's one type of person, and then when they draw town they act one way and when they draw mafia they act some other way.

I see we got to the bottom of this after some ... uh. Debate?

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ehhh it was more getting something to happen during rvs

Gross

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This is a failed attempt to undermine me. Nora voted Glitch on her third post of the game.

Man you looked up exactly when In her iso huh? Do YOU play cautious as scum?

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[Tinfoil]noraa, glitch, trendall[/tinfoil]

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I'm about to borrow your sig johnny

Steal away bay bee

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What's the point of this?

He says he's doing some shit for reads i wanna know the reads

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So all caught up for the most part. I like Hikari and derp for town.

Trendall would be a great lim today, one because there's a non-zero chance that they're scum but also that would help me read Glitch and Noraa with minor tells on half the PL at this point.

HOWEVER, based on scuminess alone I think I'll VOTE: PLUSLE

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Is it just the vibe of the wagon you don't like? Or has trendall turned you around somewhere

Also I'll be at work for the next 12ish hours, and the holiday will make me busy

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What did you read that changed your mind from Trendall being your #2 town read to being "a great lim" for the day?

Time mostly. The further we get away from you two's little kumbayah brotherly love moment the more paranoid I get about both of you. If he flipped scum I would defo rethink my townread on you

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Just being honest though I would love to just PL derp today because of how inaccurate our shot is going to be anyway and (no offense) but scum will let that slot live until endgame with the shallow and non-threatening playstyle. If we have a D1 lynch that we are going to be the least accurate with we could at least redeem it for something useful that could help us in endgame. I promise I'm not trying to be rude or mean at all but I am trying to play the game to win. There's no way to sort derp and 86ing that slot today would probably be my biggest preference.

For the record, not on board with policy lims in general and this one is especially thin because derp isn't even anti town

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Haha yeah so Staarling must be an alt of somebody

Feeling this pretty hard based on the last page.

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Town: Staarling, Plus

Walk me through these please

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Do you think staarling is an alt, if she isn't then she feels really really obviously town. I can explain why, but I don't get how you wouldn't see it.

Just making sure to separate your paranoia with the slot from your read on my head

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I'm vibing with derp so hard right now

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Echoing hopkirk town, still not sure on starlight, tho. I've seen newbtells, but still see genuinely overwhelmed newbscum as a possibility.

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Honestly would be more willing to sheep a nopo vote than Flubber, not really sure what you're seeing there.

Still more happy with plus. His fake engagement is real smelly

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Go into this?

My first few scum games were riddled with me being insecure, unsure how to respond to people and genuinely fearful of those who talk a lot. I see all that here

Uh sir this is English pop music

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Good morning!

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So I don't see a lot of reason for derp scum to hard cc when he did. Mayyyyybe if Trendall or Noraa were his partner but it's a stretch.

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Likewise I don't see hopkirk scum outing themselves like this to save derp. I wanna tinfoil here but I don't think it's worth it.

Hopkirk and derp both town.

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On the other hand of course, Derp could just be scum who fakeclaimed to get the doc voted off despite the move being low benefit for scum. The good thing is that essentially Derp can keep me alive until mafia kill him, so mafia do have to shoot him eventually if they want to ever kill me/Derp since otherwise they're in major trouble as the game progresses.

derp believes this is dangerous thinking since scum could have strongman and/or roleblock in which case this could be a way to set up a misyeet on poor derp if derp is not yeeted today, which is also why derp is not going to fight all of this too much. derp thinks that it might be best that people either accept that derp is most likely a doc or they yeet poor innocent derp

anyway main reason derp believes ur claim is actually mainly because of ur reaction to the counterclaim, after the additionalenjoyment flipped doctor derp did think it was a bit odd how u and noraa reacted to derps counterclaim as to derp it seemed to imply u had some knowledge that derp did not, with ur claim it makes sense but derp would like to do this for now

VOTE: noraa

dear derp feels ur initial defense of plus+plus came from a perspective that u thought it was weird for me to be counterclaiming which does not make sense as town so derp think we need to hear more from this sketchy slot even if we plan to yeet derp today

I quite like this

VOTE: Noraa

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Why did you claim then?

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Nvm i guess if the doc is dead it doesn't matter

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Ok so let's talk it out. Do you want to vote derp or no? I understand two docs has never happened. Does that mean it can't happen?

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No derp for now then

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Off the top of the dome staarling knowing what a strongman is and not having a consistent story about their experience level makes me nervous, but nothing strong enough to push. I'd push that over flubber, tho, which just feels like a lurker lim. Happy to vote nopo as well, they were one of the first posts I remember pointing out

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Maf Doc could be real and I don't think it's been brought up yet.

...
~vanilla ice cream with crème fraîche slime

Lol

~vanilla ice cream with crème fraîche slime

Did you draw this?

[JohnnyFarrar]

okay so dear derp was a good boi and skimmed through some of noraas games and what derp perceives as unnatural perspective does not necessarily suggest noraa is a dirty scum as she seems to do it a lot as town as well, so while derp does dislike noraas reaction to the claiming dear derp does not believe it is a scumtell for noraa

Which games did you read?

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they are not really pushing in any direction

they are encouraging others to solve but aren't really solving themselves. Their ISO reads and conclusions are extremely shallow and provide close to zero content.

This is a good point

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Note to self - nobody wants to vote Flubber for the second time, but nobody has any particular reason to like the slot beyond the slightest lean.

Haven't really been given a good reason to vote Flubber, nor do I see one

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Running an impromptu d&d game, will be back later

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Johnny is lurking

I feel like lurking implies a general "i have read this game and am choosing not to talk" energy which is simply untrue

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up to p 32

I believe all claims are truthful

Town Flubber is here

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Johnny, while you're here, thoughts on my theory?

Idk I'm more inclined to believe they're both scum than believe hopkirk scum outs himself for no reason instead of just letting derp swing here

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@Hopkirk: why didn't you say you were doctor enabler yesterday?

These are the right questions

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Gee golly, he is an extrovert

Can't not read this as snide

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^This is also a good question

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Nora's vote on staarling reads of real suspicion and frustration. Trendall is skeeving me out VOTE: Trendall

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I could also vote nopo. I felt like he and I were on the same page at the start of today and then this hopkirk back and forth happened

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Why not trendall

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VOTE: nopo

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dear derp is also having a really difficult time solving flubber

derp read ur iso but there isnt really much to think about it. i suppose it feels a bit like u are sheeping some reads but that doesnt necessarily mean ure a dirty scum
im getting the impression u still believe trendall is scum, so could u give ur good friend derp ur read on trendall?

Town and scum doc happens.

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Dunno why that quoted

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Do you think I'm scum for disagreeing with you or Hop? because that's terrible.

Nah i sr you for our interactions d1.

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What u thinking flubsy. All this focus on nopo and hopkirk has stalled the game methinks

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It feels... idk stretchy? I don't think they're on the right track and I don't see how they can really believe it

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Same honestly

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You know what let's do it. This game and it's deadness is depressing me

VOTE: keita

People that read this join or tell me why not

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Why is staarling better?

Also everyone is going to look opportunistic right now since 3 people have posted in the last 48 hours. I wanna get something

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up to p 32

I believe all claims are truthful

This is at least a light town read. For me.

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You still haven't said why he's scum other than people don't want to vote him. I also don't want to vote Noraa, does that make her scum?

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I did not

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I'm not sorry

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Lol

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Damn is it ello?

Noraa seems flaily in a way I've never seen in her before. Maybe a little at the end of betrayal, but that seemed less frustrated?

Hopkirk your flubber case was weak, and we're approaching "this is a pet read for hopkirk to coast by on" territory. Why are you voting Flubber and not me, for example?

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Honestly I would vote flubber but the thing keeping me off is you, hopkirk, and your insistence he's scum.

Derp who did you defend last night?

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Depression episode woo-hoo

so what does johnny think about it?

I think at this juncture the frustration comes from town's weak position. When you factor that in the rest of her play matches up almost 1-1 with betrayal. Incomprehensible reads, fence sitting, being under heavy scrutiny, it's all there. I think Noraa is town here.

Also just taking the stance here that staar is really who they say they are and town here. This is a tough game and they're doing their best.

Much as I like a trendall vote, I don't really trust nopo

That leaves me with VOTE: derp
I'm not losing this game in ello to a day 1 CC that flipped a town pr. Enabler talk and whatever else be damned

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Well this was a read

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Impromptu mass claim i like. I'm vt. Trendall next.

UNVOTE:

I think derp, if town, mechanically is too important right now. More actual thoughts once massclaim is over.

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Before this claim bonanza my scum list was nopo, trendall, derp and maybe hopkirk.

Hopkirk is hard clear

Nopo I'll have to think about because maybe the weirdness i picked up from them was role weirdness and not scum weirdness.

Derp remains the most suspect among the claims

Trendall read remains unchanged

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Johnny what is your read on me and Noraa?

Town and town again

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Bruh I'm at work on a phone good luck there

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keep in mind that this means that u think the most likely scenario is that a scum hard counter claimed a doc claim near deadline which sure that is a possibility, but walk ur dear friend derp through this

I mean there was a doc. You counter claimed and the doc got limmed. Either you're a second doc (farfetched) or you wanted to 1 for 1 with a claimed pr (less farfetched)

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but derp still needs johnny to provide some content, u seem to be focused on something more mechanical rather than attempting to solve anything

I'll cop to this. Low effort here. I feel like one of the prs is lying, so if you ARE second doc I'd probably trust my actual read on nopo assuming we don't just lose.

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Is that real? Flubsy you town?

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This game lives! We're definitely in Elo now, right?

NOBODY VOTE

I'm here to talk about derp and how I will not lose to him. Anyone else wanna share thoughts?

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Also this game is the only game I'm currently alive in so I'm here and I'll be pretty responsive until I get more on my plate

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My willingness to vote people right now from least to most

Glitch
Staarling
Nopo
Noraa
Trendall
Derp

Feel like derp's whole "use your brain! Vote anyone else" line of reasoning is a naked attempt to get votes anywhere else.

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Hopkirk brought up macho as a possibility in their post yesterday sometime, not too surprising.

I don't follow.

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I mean, sure, but it also makes sense in a town with a gunsmith, hider, single doc and rolecop. In fact it would keep in line with a "here's a typically strong pr for town with some modifier that makes it not unfair to scum" for there to be one doc with an enabler.

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Two votes on two different people and a quick banner hasn't happened

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Yeah I suppose

VOTE: staar

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Sorry hopkirk!

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No redacts

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Yeah killing hopkirk was a mercy

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I saw 1180

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Also yeah staarling sorry if this sentiment annoyed you or put you off, you just seem so competent for a newbie