Mini Normal 2187: PIFiMDM [game over!]

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm generally a high activity player. I don't like to self meta. I've played with alchemist and gamma. Still bitter about how my game with alchemist went down.

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Wagoning active players is a sound strategy, let's do it.

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I'm not defeated, it was sarcasm.

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VOTE: Kazyan

For being the last to confirm.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Are you suggesting wagons on inactive players are preferable?

Yes.

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Why are you so interested in RQS but think that lurking is ok?

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No, it's my own question.

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They both suck.

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VOTE: papa zito

[NoPowerOverMe]

Why are you so interested in RQS but think that lurking is ok?

Nobody is lurking 2 pages into the game.

I wasn't talking about anyone specifically.

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Why are you so interested in RQS but think that lurking is ok?

Who said I thought lurking was ok? Only scum tries to hang the inactive lhf's.

Not from my perspective. I'm more comfortable playing with high activity players I can sort.

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I never said anything about hanging. But if it comes down to pressuring active players or lurkers, yes, I have a preference.

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There are plenty of things to talk about besides random questions that people answer to try and make themselves look good.

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Like what we're talking about right now

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I disagree that RVS/RQS is a necessity.

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What are your reads?

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I guess when fire was invented, you said, "we always did it without fire before, why do we need it now?"

[NoPowerOverMe]

What are your reads?

You expect reads 3 pages into the game?

I guess when fire was invented, you said, "we always did it without fire before, why do we need it now?"

I don't think this analogy is a accurate representation of what we are talking about.

I do, I'm trying to do something new, and you're resisting.

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Yep, that's what they said about fire.

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I do, I'm trying to do something new, and you're resisting.

What do you mean by "you're resisting"?

Should be self evident. He's acting like RVS has to happen just because it's always been that way, and moreover, that if you're against it, it's worth wagoning someone over.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I never said that active players can't be scummy or worth pressuring, just that if in an A>B situation, I'd prefer the active player.

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I do, I'm trying to do something new, and you're resisting.

What do you mean by "you're resisting"?

Should be self evident. He's acting like RVS has to happen just because it's always been that way, and moreover, that if you're against it, it's worth wagoning someone over.

In what way does believing RVS is important to starting the game "resist" the "something new" you're trying to do?

He's the one that made the issue that RVS is mandatory.

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If only because I feel that a lurking player is trying to hide something.

[NoPowerOverMe]

He's the one that made the issue that RVS is mandatory.

But how am I resisting to what you are trying to do? I said I'd gladly like to try it too, it's just a known fact that RVS is a necessity in games to start.

Actually, in the forum I previously came from, there was no RVS.

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#11 was a joke, I was trying to start a discussion point.

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How many times have you played with Dannflor and how many times was he scum, Gamma?

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No it was not MU. I don't know if the forum even exists anymore.

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He's the one that made the issue that RVS is mandatory.

I feel like you're purposefully dodging my questions. I wasn't asking what his opinions are, I'm asking how they're preventing you from doing things.

I never said they were. I was talking about how others behave.

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It's what all the cool kids are doing.

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If I recall correctly he does have good reads as Town.

Uh...????

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Scum already know who is what.

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It just sounded like you implied his reads were bad as scum. Which wouldn't make sense. I probably just interpreted it wrong.

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We're past the RVS.

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@Alchemist21: In all fairness, I caught your scumbuddy because he quickhammered. I'm more than willing to 1v1 in this case if we get the same result. Hopefully town would be smart enough to yeet the hammerer this time tho.

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Does anyone else automatically assume any new person is a Hectic alt?

All the time.

Found the Hectic alt, how’d you know what we were talking about?

His scum thread?

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Scum already know who is what.

They also don’t want other people finding that out.

Well that's the real trick, isn't it?

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How long did it take him to be productive in that game?

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Also town won that game I see, even though he was town.

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I appreciate not wanting to lynch town, but there is also the possibility he is scum and do you really want him in ELLO?

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Oh, I read the thread wrong my bad.

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I think it's good to keep players in the game that can sort each other so right now you and him would be on the bottom of my elim list based on what you are saying.

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I see where you're coming from, I just put a high importance on the ability to sort.

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Awckwardness can be a scum trait but it could also be newbishness like you said. I'm willing to table it for now.

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This is a fair point. I was just concerned based on Ben's analysis of him.

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VOTE: Elements

Ben is my top town read and seems like he knows what he is doing.

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Also I don't like elements voting limbaity Lunar.

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Yeah, if he doesn't have any reads why vote?

VOTE: Kazyan

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VOTE: Elements

Ben is my top town read and seems like he knows what he is doing.

This feels like pocketing rather than solving.

Also I don't like elements voting limbaity Lunar.

This post is OK, but it seems like a really easy thing to say. Why pick on elements and not the other people who are voting for me?

Townhunting is a major part of my game.

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Like I said, I'm not pocketing, I'm townhunting. If you hate it so much I'll vote elsewhere.

VOTE: Elements

[NoPowerOverMe]

ben and dann are heavy townreads. Alchemist and Gamma are light townreads. Elements is a scumread.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I don't do things in a quiet manner, that's something you'll just need to get used to.

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I thought his post was pretty scummy. I'd have him as a light scumread.

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If you're unsettled, that's a good thing.

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Because you voted LM.

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Ok, I didn't see his later post. Seems like more plausible town and it probably moves him up to a null for me.

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Ok but question still stands, what did you think was scummy about the post you thought was scummy?

Seconding this, that seemed like a very weak stance for NPOM to take, since it doesn’t define any actual post

I just thought it was a weak post to vote on.

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what did you dislike specifically about my vote?

Earth to NPOM

I already said than LM is limbaity.

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VOTE: Elements

Ben is my top town read and seems like he knows what he is doing.

This feels like pocketing rather than solving.

Also I don't like elements voting limbaity Lunar.

This post is OK, but it seems like a really easy thing to say. Why pick on elements and not the other people who are voting for me?

Townhunting is a major part of my game.

Doesn't feel like you're really evaluating whether Ben is Town though. It's just a compliment and an invitation to work together, not a reason for thinking someone is Town.

Any response, NoPower?

I strongly feel that Ben is town. He's my biggest townread.

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You have been very reactive to others posts on you rather than proactively looking for scum.

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I could care less if that's your playstyle. It's not pro town.

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I never lied.

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Because 90% of your posting is about how others are posting about you.

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You can, but it is not scumhunting.

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I can multitask.

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I usually start by townhunting because scum tends to try to mask themselves whereas town can be easier to read on day 1.

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That's my preference.

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Is that all you have too say pp?

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NoPower, why is Ben town to you?

He seems engaged, uninformed and open-minded.

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That's not necessarily true.

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VOTE: penguin power

He'd a mod right? So he gets some sort of free pass?

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When I said uninformed I meant about this game, of course he's going to be informed about other games.

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You seemed informed, it's why you're not scumhunting.

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Guess we don't need sherlock holmes anymore.

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@Kazyan: It seems wierd that you voted for PP, which I pushed, AND you said my wagon was tempting. Do you think I am bussing PP?

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You don't think potential mafia interactions are an important thing to consider?

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Strange, I've heard the opposite.

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I'm not sure that's scum indicative coming from a new account.

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I'm not sure that's scum indicative coming from a new account.

That seems opportunistic.

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Meant to quote your post, sorry. My post is not opportunistic:).

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There is no town block. I think you are confused.

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I think Ben, lunar, gamma and of course dannflor are town. I have always made short posts in every game.

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I get lots of info on day 1. Not an excuse.

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You have 18K posts and at least 4 years of playing. Seems like you should know better.

VOTE: Penguin Power

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You have a different philosophy in scum games?

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Dann is not a read.

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You mean he gets a free pass because he's a mod?

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You're not inspiring confidence that you're actually gamesolving.

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I find a contradictive that penguin complains about a lack of wagons yet does not want to be active.

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I was using your own words.

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I get lots of info on day 1. Not an excuse.

and what info have you gotten in THIS d1?

I'm pretty sure I've given my reads.

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What makes you think they're not substantiated?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Not really following agar's logic half the time to be honest. Throwing darts could give just as good results.

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I see Ben is a generally active player sitewide that makes me wonder if his replace out is scummy or not.

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OMGUSy much?

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My experience so far shows me that a lot of people are uncomfortable playing as scum.

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I agree with Martian.

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Apparently I'm not the only one who doesn't think PP is funny.

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What's the case on Alchemist?

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I was townreading them but it's not a strong townread.

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Probably mostly because they were scum in a previous game I played with them and I figured I could sort them later. I guess that's not a good reason but I don't really see the scumcase either.

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Now that I think about it, Alchemist was extremly lurky that game and I don't see that here.

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I still prefer Penguin. I could see a Kazyan/Penguin team.

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People never learn.

Any time I am against a day one wagon I am almost always right.

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No I just know a bad day one wagon when I see it.

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My day one record speaks for itself.

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[quote="In post 663, Gamma Emerald"][/quote]

Mini Normal 2143: Opposed Drew-Sta wagon
Large Noraml 230: Opposed Pretentious wagon

may not seem like much but I have only played in 10 games and both times I strongly opposed a wagon that ended up flipping town on day one.

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Alchemist has more posts today than he had the entire game in the game I played with him.

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2nd and Elements are the most suspicious on the Alchemist wagon I think.

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Hayker isn't my first choice but I can vote him as a compromise wagon.

VOTE: Hayker

[NoPowerOverMe]

Can you elaborate so we can get some more votes? I'm not disagreeing with you.

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VOTE: Hayker

Why assume AGar was vigshot?

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Is there reason to assume one over the other?

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This could just be a role madness game, right?

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Maybe the pr's just don't want to announce yet.

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Well, no one asked you to? Unless you have a hard guilty claiming early only helps scum and even then it sometimes helps to wait.

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There's a difference between sheeping the IC and knowing that they have the best chance of having town intentions.

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Of course I have town intentions. But you don't win in mafia in a vacuum.

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If you "believe too much in the good side of people" then you're playing the wrong game.

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I'm not the one who originally brought it up. God forbid I save the town from making faulty assumptions about the game setup.

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This is where I'm going to wish I had more experience on the site. How are power roles generally distributed? is the Macho cop/doctor combo to strong for most minis? I realize it's a closed setup but I'm unsure how the site balances. These questions are for Dann since he's only one that can give me a guaranteed town view.

It's not a particularly strong combo. I mean, having both a cop and a doctor is strong, but the cop being macho prevents the combination from being breakable. A macho role also generally indicates some kind of town protective role. In light of Alchemist's flip, Hayker's claim is less credible.

I'm also very suspect of town having a bulletproof townie, a JOAT with Penguin's Power (hehe), an innocent child, and ALSO a full ungated doctor.

Hayker, who did you protect last night?

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Penguins vote was a RVS, mind was serious.

Suspicious of PZ reinventing history.

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Like I said, PP RVSd me.

I noticed PP was kind of standing pat and not really scumhunting, and using his and PZs mod status as an excuse to not to have to try.

Obviously, I was wrong on PP, but the idea that PP was on me first is just flat out wrong.

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FOS: Papa Zito

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I'm upset about the veggies on the pizza.