Open 88 - Polygamist Mafia (Game Over) before 650

[Empking]

Hi.

[Empking]

I find Armix responsible but I do agree with him.

Unvote

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Mana_ku: I really don't like the, I'll give you my link. It screams "look at me I'm pro-town" without actualoly being pro-town. Anoyingly, it'd be a waste to vote man_ku because if I want her lynch I should vote for Adel.

Adel: Adel hasn't really done anything scummy. Its Jebus with her plan of "random vote excluding me or my partner". And that's in my opinion crazy scummy. The chat log has confused me but it definately hasn't cleared him.

Strangercoug:m In both forms hasn't really done much. Couldn't call it lurking either.

Citizen Karne: In the case of Adel being town he'll look scummy (and I'll give him another lookover) but with the information that we have I think he's a tunnle vision town.

Armix: If Adel does turn up town we might need to look back on him. As I've got the page where he mentioned popcorning open, I think I should mention that. He seems a tad tunnle visioned but he looks pro-town to me.

Kloud: Its weird to think he's Armix's partner. I really don't like the way he unvoted when Adel came. This might be a player just trying to attack the newbies. Apart from that his posts seem good contents wise.

Opposedforce: His early posts seem to be just making mistakes or apolagising for mistakes. Despite that I don't think he's scum. He also proposed mass claim.

Jah: I really don't know what to say about him. When I was reading the latter pages I had forgotten about him. I don't think he's scum and he seems pro-town to me. After my own, I think this is the most pro-town pair.

Caboose: He (apart from in his chat anylisis) doesn't seem to have a mind of his own. Going as far as saying he'll just go with tyhe majority.

Farside: I feel like he's focused on Armix. I don't even think he's given anything to support his suspicions.

Vote: Adel

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Mana_ku: What question?

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Adel: Adel hasn't really done anything scummy. Its Jebus with her plan of "random vote excluding me or my partner". And that's in my opinion crazy scummy. The chat log has confused me but it definately hasn't cleared him.

If you don't think Adel is scummy, then why are you voting him?

FoS: Empking

Because Jebus was scummy and Mana ku is scummy.

[Empking]

I don't know you're not pro-town, did I say you're definately not pro-town?

Personally, I'd say onde really terriable post is more useful than a bunch of slightly bad posts.

I felt I should mention it because I just read it andf because it shows Armix's pro-town actions. I don't remember saying that tunnlevision is good.

I thought Jebus's scumminess what with her plan didn't need an explanation. Its a very scummy plan. I'm not doing the same as Caboose because Caboose's opinions was I'll go with the majority.

I think Llama's reasons were that he thought OF was scummy.

[Empking]

First

I find Armix responsible but I do agree with him.

Then

He seems a tad tunnle visioned but he looks pro-town to me.

And now

I don't remember saying that tunnlevision is good.

Are you saying that armix is pro-town, and armix is tunnel visioned, but tunnel vision isn’t pro-town? Doesn’t that undermine your agreement for the case you think armix is responsible for?

Also, since armix says he's more about Mana and Adel's case, how do you agree with him by saying Jebus is scummy but Adel isn't?

I'm saying that you can be a tad tunnle visioned and still be pro-town.

Adel: I don't see your point.

[Empking]

You didn't say definitly, but from the looks of post 239 it looks like you do.
What do you mean with the one terrible post?
You didn't say tunnle vision is good, but a mod/IC who tunnle visions, while every mod/IC say in the newbie games say that tunnle vision is bad. Does that seems pro-town to you?
Besides you still haven't given explanation to each point of my previous post.

I mean one terrible post.

Its doesn't show anti-town.

Which points didn't I do.

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It was a silly discussion and should never have been started.

Yes I am

I mean. If you turn up town, I'll need to look back upon him.

I meant that if it wasn't for Armix I'd say Kloud was your scum buddy.

Caboose and Farside.

Caboose and Farside.

Personally I find that a perfectly good answer when asked asbout pie.

I gave a perfectly fine answer for your question. No it isn't pro-town, when did I say it was pro-town?

When I said one terriable post, I meant one terriable post in general.

Adel, I'd like an answer.

Mana ku: When have you seen a mod, mention in their game that tunnle vision is bad?

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@ Empking to which question are you refering? I've asked everyone to answer this question: If Adel and I are scum then who are our partners?
But again I'm ignored by most.

To you I've more questions. One was in that post (241).

Empking, a summary of every character is helpful, however I would like to hear what you thought of certain events. Espescially Llama's and OF's discussion. The one you replaced was in it and you just read it. Can you tell me what you thought about this discussion?

Are you saying that I'm scummy, because of the link?

Besides how do you know that I'm not pro-town? If you can conclude that from one quote, I want you in the games I'm playing more often. The ability to see who isn't protown from one quote. Quite impressive (rolling eyes).

Also regarding post 239, explain what you meant with the points of armlx and Kloud.

Tell me what you mean with the first sentence of the armlx case

, why you wanted to mention the popcorning. Also have you ever heard from an IC or mod that tunnle vision is good? (a tad, you say? Look at all his posts)

From the Kloud point, I'd like to hear what you mean with the first sentence.

And you haven't even given any reasons why Jebus and I (except for the link) are scummy. Aren't you doing the same as Caboose?

Next would be again the discussion from Llama and OF. You think that OF and Jah are the most pro-town pair after your own. Then what do you think Llama's reasons were to begin a discussion with OF?

CK I was just shocked when I was looking for something. What did you mean with post 188!!!.

For now, I'm done as I need to do some research into this game. I hope I can see some answers

All the bold, you haven't explained or answered yet.

Next point, would be that you DO the same as Caboose. I believe that's what Adel wanted to say with his quotes used at post 293, but I believe he will tell you that himself.

In your player summary, you've only stated scummy at Adel en me. Who do you seems as scummiest after us? Besides you haven't answered 'If Adel and I are scum then who are our partners?'. There are more ppl who haven't done, however I'm really interested in what you have to say.

Also what I don't like is when ppl answer not straight forward. What I mean is: When someone asks you 'Do you like pie?' and you answer with 'I don't hate it.'. This is what you're doing at post 298. I asked you a question. Your answer to this question was: It doesn't show anti-town. But this wasn't the question. The question was: You didn't say tunnle vision is good, but a mod/IC who tunnle visions, while every mod/IC say in the newbie games say that tunnle vision is bad. Does that seems pro-town to you? Give this time an answer to this question.
(armlx, you don't have to give any comments about this question. I just want to hear his answer. It has now nothing to do with you)

And armlx, at post 273 you say something about a comment. Can we hear it now or does it still have to wait?

And SC, you had some comment about Adel's post (289). Now that you've seen why we were asking this question, can you give an answer to it?

Almost forgot to ask this. Empking to which post are you referring with the 'one terrible post?'

This is what that post was directed at.

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My question is: what is your opinion of armix's case that Adel is scummy, and does that fall in line or detract from the two of you agreeing on Jebus is scummy?

Its good and falls in line. What it shows me is that Armix is better at hunting than me.

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oh shit, look at votes 238 and 239.

I find it odd that Adel would post her comments made and what the 2 people said (which what they said is incredibly scummy) but the fact she left those scummy comments in there where she could have made the whole thing up seems like WIFOM.

I think Adel's expectation was that we would see their suggestions and brush them off as newbies and give them a free pass. I don't see why summarizing some of a night conversation really means anything one way or another.

Anyway, I still need to reread the last few pages. My current top suspect is Adel, and the majority of my suspicion is based on the way she defended herself by strawmanning the nature of the attacks against her, and thus trying to make those attacks appear weaker than they are. I'll just stick with a

FoS Adel

for now until I look at a vote count.

two hours later:

Mana_ku: I really don't like the, I'll give you my link. It screams "look at me I'm pro-town" without actualoly being pro-town. Anoyingly, it'd be a waste to vote man_ku because if I want her lynch I should vote for Adel.

Adel: Adel hasn't really done anything scummy. Its Jebus with her plan of "random vote excluding me or my partner". And that's in my opinion crazy scummy. The chat log has confused me but it definately hasn't cleared him.

Strangercoug:m In both forms hasn't really done much. Couldn't call it lurking either.

Citizen Karne: In the case of Adel being town he'll look scummy (and I'll give him another lookover) but with the information that we have I think he's a tunnle vision town.

Armix: If Adel does turn up town we might need to look back on him. As I've got the page where he mentioned popcorning open, I think I should mention that. He seems a tad tunnle visioned but he looks pro-town to me.

Kloud: Its weird to think he's Armix's partner. I really don't like the way he unvoted when Adel came. This might be a player just trying to attack the newbies. Apart from that his posts seem good contents wise.

Opposedforce: His early posts seem to be just making mistakes or apolagising for mistakes. Despite that I don't think he's scum. He also proposed mass claim.

Jah: I really don't know what to say about him. When I was reading the latter pages I had forgotten about him. I don't think he's scum and he seems pro-town to me. After my own, I think this is the most pro-town pair.

Caboose: He (apart from in his chat anylisis) doesn't seem to have a mind of his own. Going as far as saying he'll just go with tyhe majority.

Farside: I feel like he's focused on Armix. I don't even think he's given anything to support his suspicions.

Vote: Adel

six hours later (meanwhile Empking made 8 other posts in other games)

That's L-1.

unvote, vote:Empking

What's your point?

[Empking]

Yes, L-1 isn't dangerous in this set up.

It was their to encourage people to hammer before hammering was possible?

Caboose hasn't voted for six days. Voting for your scum partner isn't suicide especially if your partners can use that as their only defense.

Why no mention of Karne.

He didn't want to accidently lynch you. I agree, very scummy.

Still no mention of Karne. Also, any proof for that?

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No it wasn't a typo.

I mrentioned Karne because I found him scummy and posted about him the same way I posted about Armix.

The "he" was my claimed lover.

It might not be you or your claimed lover's plan. It could also be from your other two lovers.

I mean. Their was still no mention of Kaine. and. Any proof to back up your claims.

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Please, how has L-1 been dangerous?

Considering that his scum partner voting for him has been his only defense (if he's scum) it isn't a straw man.

How is it a straw man?

[Empking]

You say that but you won't back up anything you say.

[Empking]

Please, when you ask people to answer questions re-post the questions (I admit I don't always do this) it makes things much easier.

[Empking]

Adel is Jebus. Jebus is Adel. If Jebus was scum then Adel is also scum. Jebus's acts don't just disappear.

I think I did mention why scum would vote for their scum pair.

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If it was dangerous Adel would be dead by now.

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No, no you aren't.

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He isn't an (almost) confirmeed innocent.

You have to prove that he is, before stating it as fact.

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The lack of proof for, is all the proof I need.

Caboose and Farside are your (most likely IMO) partners.

It depends on who is lynched today, who I'll look into tomorrow (if their is a tomorrow)

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How am I?

If Adel turns up innocent then I'll have no reason to go for you.

If Armix is lynched and is innocent, then I'd still go for Adel.

I really don't see how I'm setting you up for a mislynch.

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Simple, Farside and you make sense with Adel and Mana_ku. Nobody else does.

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Only Caboose was voting for Adel out of the two. Caboose only returned to the thread, when an unvote would be bad fror the four of them.

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It makes me either town or mafia. Or rather it would if I didn't know I was already town.

As who saw Adel as town?

[Empking]

You asked me what alignment I was.

When did I say Caboose unvoted immediately?

[Empking]

Where in that quote does it say Caboose unvoted?

The quote didn't make me anything. Can you give an example answer?

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The two of you were relying on the "I have a vote from everyone" stratergy. That wouldn't really work if one pair unvoted as soon as they had the chance.

Why didn't you answer my second question?

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Mans Ku: That isn't an answer to my second question.

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The quote didn't make me anything. Can you give an example answer?

I can also presume that Mana_Ku is delibrately not answering the question.

As we know that mana ku finds not answering questions scummy. I can only presume Mana Ku is scum.

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It isn't stupid at all.

If Y does N when scum. Then Y is more likely to see N as a scum tell.

Off the top of my head the two of them are scummy. Random vote excluding me or my partner, claiming confirmed innocent, chainsaw defense, refusing to follow the popcorning, confusing chat log, And that's just Adel/Jebus. Mana Ku is must scummier.

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Only you were voting for Adel out of you and Farside. You stopped posting then when you returned you couldn't unvote because then Adel would've been lynched.

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Only you were voting for Adel out of you and Farside. You stopped posting then when you returned you couldn't unvote because then Adel would've been lynched.

How does that make any sense?

I don't know, you're the one that doesn't understand it.

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Only you were voting for Adel out of you and Farside. You stopped posting then when you returned you couldn't unvote because then Adel would've been lynched.

How does that make any sense?

I don't know, you're the one that doesn't understand it.

How was Adel going to get lynched if I unvoted?

Because his argument would've been ruined if you unvoted.

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Mana_Ku: You asked what that quote made me. I asked if you could give an example question.

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They wouldn't unvote when it'd lead to your lynch.

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CK's quote.

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Their isn't night.

Does Karne have the most votes?

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I still think its a loaded question.

Stangercoug; Are you scum?

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Why would you lie if we reached deadline?

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So Adel is attacking Farside.

I didn't expect this, so I'm not sure who to vote for. I guess I'll see if Adel keeps to it.

[Empking]

Vote: Farside

I don't think he and Adel are scum together so I don't think Adel is scum. Farside and Caboose have always been my second choice so I'm voting them.

[Empking]

Would I know enought to realise the "everygroup voting for her"?

[Empking]

Would I know enought to realise the "everygroup voting for her"?

You would have access to a QuikTopic where it would have likely been mentioned......

You're saying Adel posted it in the quiktopic?

[Empking]

A deadline for next friday would be most convenient for me.

(That's a threat, btw)

I wish we had a vote count.

[Empking]

We have a vote count.

Would it be helpgul for us to list our most loikely scum pairs?

[Empking]

If the mod doesn't want us to do it, I don't think we should do it.

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I only post what Llama wrote don't I.

Post 1 - Saying they're a good lover pair
Post 3 - Saying they isn't much to discuss
Post 5 - Saying they're are quite a few new players

I think Caboose should claim next as his partner has the most votes.

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That's not all that was said. It was just that Llama and Goats we're talking about things unrelated to the game after that.

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It says how many posts was in the quiktopic not how many you posted.

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I think I said I wanmted Caboose to claim, not Armix.

They said Football but I think they meant American football.

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Adel; You mean Goat don't you?

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Look back into the quiktopic.

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Well Farside straight after presumbly.

Caboose: Don'yt dsay what Farside said.

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And after goats?

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Uh I'm sorry but

Pairs

should claim.

Its idiotic to give 1 pair two popcorns and 1 pair no popcorns.

I know what popcorning is but what Farside did was just passing the buck.

[Empking]

Simple, Goat had to c;laim as soon as he was able. You choosing Goat changed nothing apart from making it so goat chose who goes next.

That's how you passed the buck.

[Empking]

Please point out where I said Goat claimed.

Oh yes, you're strawmanning. The worst strawman I have ever seen.

Mana Ku and Farside are scum together after all.

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I'm sorry but I was already voting for them before they voted or attacked me. So where's the OMGUS?

Mana Ku: You said I said Goat had claimed. Where did I say that? You're a liar who's pretending I said Goats had already claimed.

[Empking]

Instead of reasoning their points, you are misrepresenting and attacking them. That's why its OMGUS.

That's not OMGUS.

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Simple, Goat had to c;laim as soon as he was able. You choosing Goat changed nothing apart from making it so goat chose who goes next.

That's how you passed the buck.

I didn't see goat's claim.

Farside is right here. Goat didn't tell anything about his chat with Llama.
Meaning goat is next to claim.

This obviously suggests that Farside is saying that I said Goats claimed and you're saying Farside is right.

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They should all claim in pairs. The fact that pairs (especialy my own)should be considered one group for claims that's my whole argument.

Mana ku: Are you saying that Farside said she "didn't see Goat's claim" randomly?

[Empking]

So isn't that her saying that I said Goat claimed?

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I really don't like the people who made a conversation paraphrase instead of their part paraphrase.

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It makes it more dificult to find scum as scum will just paraphrase their partner's fake claim.

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Caboose was the easiest to paraphrase because Farside jumped in before Caboose could make a proper claim.

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It's definitely an inconsistency.

Personally, I don't understand the claims of not being chatty. What is their to be chatty about.

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The problem is, is that the pairs (other than yours and Armix's) were at the same skill level. They couldn't help each other.

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The problem is, is that the pairs (other than yours and Armix's) were at the same skill level. They couldn't help each other.

Llama is very good in my book as town and scum. Short talks from him don't make sense.

I never said llama wasn't good. What would he talk about when Goat is also good?

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Mana_ku: Care to post?

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First question is for Farside. Your pre-game chat was about looking for players who vote in clusters. Could you explain this?

Next would be why you're voting for armlx. During day one you voted the whole time for Llama/Empking. You also said that you got strange vibes from Llama/Goat. Now you get good vibes? Why the sudden switch?

@Empking/Goat. What did Llama and Goat talk about afterwards at the pre-game chat?

American football

Mod, I don't know if you've noticed Adel's last post.

I'm requesting replacement in all of my games, including this one.
I apologize to all of you for not fulfilling the commitment I made by joining this game.

Perhaps you can understand that I want a new lover

[Empking]

Yay, we won.