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[NoPowerOverMe]

Instead of RVS I am going to sing some karyoke for your listening entertainment:

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That is a terrible vote:

VOTE: Rannygazoo

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I don't like being threatened.

VOTE: Death note

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Not so much, no.

What's your meta?

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I've heard enough. Nice catch Elements.

VOTE: OopsieDaisy

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You're not supposed to like it. Good OMGUS though.

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Elements was much more diplomatic in his last game. He lost that game as town so I believe his willingnes to learn from his mistakes that game is super townie, and I agree with him on most of his points on oopsie so far.

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Sorry, my mistake, I'll have to read through the game again, that's what jumped out at me.

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Datisi seems town by virtue of Elements position.

lean scum on DeathNote. Faria looks like newb town.

Null on rannygazoo.

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Elements was much more diplomatic in his last game. He lost that game as town so I believe his willingnes to learn from his mistakes that game is super townie, and I agree with him on most of his points on oopsie so far.

Wait El's diplomatic on here? That's the exact opposite of how I've see them play in our discord games lol

I'm contrasting THEIR play here with his play in 2181. I don't play on discord. I did play with THEM in 2181 for the first part of the game. THEY are much more aggressive early on here than THEY were in 2181. Mixing up THEIR play based on performance is townie, in my opinion.

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what do you mean by "elements position"?

You seem pro elements and anti oopsie, so I am town reading you for that at the moment.

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Also Oopsie is super defensive whih is a scum trait.

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If you disagree with me you could just say so.

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It either means I'm town or I'm bussing, obviously.

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Agreeing with someone's POV is a wierd reason to townread them?

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You don't seem defensive to me.

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Being defensive is a scum trait because scum are more interested in their self preservation than town because there are generally 3 times more town than scum in the game.

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That was my point. You are splitting hairs.

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Maybe you should make an effort to continue to scumhunt when you are scumread then.

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@Faria: Is english your first language?

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@Datisi, this may be true, but "in general" as you say, scum are still more self interested in not dying than town.

Losing 33% of your team is a lot bigger deal than losing 10% of your team.

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Maybe you should make an effort to continue to scumhunt when you are scumread then.

Yeah I'm still learning, main struggle point for me is the language difference. I can store the arguments in my head clearly but when it's time to deliver, I slip hard

Don't worry, you're doing fine so far imo. I only speak one language so I admire those that are bilingual.

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if you're town, you getting hanged is (in vast majority of the cases) losing the only player you know with 100% certainty is town. that's a big deal.

No one wants to get hanged, but in most cases you still know the majority is on your side, at least early in the game.

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Town vibes from Cook, although I'm not sure why he's scum reading Elements and Oopsie at the same time.

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We've moved on...

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I just feel like he's being transparent. I could be wrong.

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Any sort of information is helpful to town and meta is information.

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Almost all games will have good wagons and bad wagons.

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Any sort of information is helpful to town and meta is information.

incorrect. Scum is also playing this game and gives false information all the time. This information can easily be used to white knight bad wagons and cause town to slip up. It's a towns duty to discern bad information from good information but to assume that anything a person bings to the table to inform the town is helpful is bad play.

It's town's job to diffentiate bad information from good information. So bad information isn't inherently anti-town.

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Any sort of information is helpful to town and meta is information.

incorrect. Scum is also playing this game and gives false information all the time. This information can easily be used to white knight bad wagons and cause town to slip up. It's a towns duty to discern bad information from good information but to assume that anything a person bings to the table to inform the town is helpful is bad play.

Surely if someone's pumping out bad info that gives a bad read on them right? Don't we wanna encourage people to speak their mind cause it'll give more info about them or am I being dumb?

If you want to encourage people to speak their mind why did you vote me after I voted you?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Any sort of information is helpful to town and meta is information.

incorrect. Scum is also playing this game and gives false information all the time. This information can easily be used to white knight bad wagons and cause town to slip up. It's a towns duty to discern bad information from good information but to assume that anything a person bings to the table to inform the town is helpful is bad play.

Surely if someone's pumping out bad info that gives a bad read on them right? Don't we wanna encourage people to speak their mind cause it'll give more info about them or am I being dumb?

If you want to encourage people to speak their mind why did you vote me after I voted you?

Because I thought your comment after your vote in the post was an attempt to pocket El as scum, which you doubled down on in another post afterwards.

That's certainly not what it comes across as.

Town hunting is part of the game.

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Yeah, it's called town hunting. I agree with Elements and I find Elements pro town.

If you think I'm pocketing that's your perrogative but as I said, if you think anyone who townreads someone else is pocketing then you're probably not town yourself.

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The reason you don't like my townread is because I voted you. That's the difference.

This all comes down to your defensive posture.

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The reason you don't like my townread is because I voted you. That's the difference.

This all comes down to your defensive posture.

Wait hang on a sec you're the only one on my wagon I scum read?

That's enough. You were also argumentative with Elements.

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How is cook scum?

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that looks like a prod dodge.

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Still less scummy than Oopsie's OMGUS and defensiveness.

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I disagree, are you oopsies partner?

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He's in my Deal or No Deal and Munchkin Quest game. *shrug*

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That's your big entrance?

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@Shigaraki: Are you a town cop?

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I think Shig thinks he has a lot more sway than he does.

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Usually the person forming the townblock needs to be town.

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I only "disagree and shade" with scum.

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And being agreeable all the time isn't a good way to form reads on people.

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And I hardly look like I'm worried about being miseliminated.

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FOS: Shigaraki

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Usually the person forming the townblock needs to be town.

That’s the best post I’ve ever seen you make.

No I've made way better posts.

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Why is Shigaraki town?

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I think it's calculated, it looks to me like Shig is trying to get towncred with the claim and the townblock.

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I think it's premature for a town block, and I don't think a cop should claim this early, much less say they're macho a few pages after claiming cop.

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Just admit you're lying and I might townread you.

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The reason I don't believe Shig's claim is:

A) He's seems like he's the attention seeking type.
B) The timing of the claim(day 1).
C) The fact that he didn't claim cop and macho at the same time.

I'm not discounting the possibility that he could be telling the truth, I'm just going to operate on the asssumption that he's not until I'm given a good reason not to.

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I'm not saying we should elim him I'm just saying the likelihood is he's lying for the record.

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I'm not looking for credit, I just don't want an auto elim when he fakes a guilty on someone.

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VOTE: cook

I'm fine with the townblock members I suppose, for the time being.

E-1

[NoPowerOverMe]

I think there's something fishy in Denmark but I'll roll with it for now.

VOTE: Prince Zuko

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He's not in the block and has been inactive.

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I still screaming Daisy but multiple wagons are a good thing.

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Scumread

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It's confirmed?

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I think cook listing someone twice makes him forgetfully not scum. Scum would be more careful.

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I think you're biased.

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Most likely scenario is town v town. Scum don't want to 1v1 themselves this early in the game.

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Wow shig what would we do if we didn't have you to figure things out for us?

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I agree, we cannot eliminate a claimed cop today. We can sort this out day 2 and 3.

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Obviously we all are cops in this game. It's an all cop game.

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I am less sure of shig being town.

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VOTE: cook

I'm fine with the townblock members I suppose, for the time being.

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I don't really like this vote though, given you were just TR'ing Cook?

Seems a bit rushed. What changed your mind?

Town blocks are usually more good than bad. I'm just unsure about Shig in particular.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Claiming cop on day 1 seems a sub par move.

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I think you know this is not an open and shut case. More than one player has said we don't need to elim a claimed cop today.

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No you're just voting me because you always think I'm scum

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I'm not voting a claimed cop right now period.

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I explained 459

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I already said town blocks are generally good enerally good and theres no point in fighting it right now.

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I am less sure of shig being town.

this is because of your own inability, though

Obviously.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I am less sure of shig being town.

this is because of your own inability, though

Obviously.

yes, obviously. If I was doing meta on this acc more than just for Salsa, you'd be hopelessly noob town again here

I actually have a good track record recently.

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One recent game I won in ello.

Two other recent games I called out two out of three scum early on.

Another game I won as cult.

I think I've graduated from newb status.

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That's the plan.

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It's day 1. I don't think your reads are nearly as strong as you make them out to be.

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Or you're scum trying to eliminate town.

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I didn't believe Shig when he initially claimed and a cc is more often town than being cc'd.

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Cook is not spewing confidence but facts are facts.

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Just delete the posts.

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I am tired of the cop vs. cop nonsense can we move on?

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VOTE: SoS

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Don't appreciate the ate but thank you.

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Signs are pointing to scum Shig and town cook

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You are acting like flavor leaf when he was caught in a lie in my recent game.

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Ranny was in that game too.

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I’m a Neapolitan.

Why are you lying leaf?

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Were you the one I listed twice?

Shig is the flavor leaf in this scenario.

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I wouldn't say vanilla cop is uncommon.

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There are lots of roles though.

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Cook is probtown

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I feel comfortable blocking me ranny elements cook datisi and deathnote.

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Yep.

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As long as we all work together for the greater good.

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Probably can add salsa as well.

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He's lying as usual

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Chances of shig being a macho cop mason are next to zero.

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I'm inclined to think sos and Shig are scum buddies.

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Maybe Shig just got a bad roll.

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Cook if you want to block you should change your vote to SoS.

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@DN I appreciate your take but it doesn't sound like you have a better idea. Maybe we just need to do the most logical thing at this time instead of quibbling. As long as lurkers are in the game if there are other scum it is easy for them to hide.

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Aka your scum buddy.

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SoS why don't you have anything to say about the game?

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My take: SoS and Zuko are equally scummy.

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id rather just die N1-N2 of this game, and be a part of someone else's narrative for thi9s game than to care about this game on a deeper level

It's part of the human condition that we all just want to be loved and understood on a deeper emotional level.

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Sos obv better wagon since sos is on deathnote.

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Waiting for the hammer.

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If he is scum then there's a good chance at least one more scum is among those not voting for him.

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There is no good reason why players like Shig and Zuko would both be against voting SoS and be anti-town themselves.

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If sos flips scum deathnote is probtown.

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If he flips town we still get night actions and don't lose a valuable townie.

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There are practically no positives to keeping him alive based on his current play.

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Probably town

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Openwolfing is acting like scum in an obvious way.

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That's a pretty low standard.

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Scum also openwolf.

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That's a pretty low standard.

Who are you talking to?

The person comparing saud and sos.

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Associatives clearly point to an sos elim.

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There are many people not voting for SOS that I find suspicious, so flipping SOS will give me a greater take on those people. And people that are voting for SOS I find town.

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Cook 7
Rannygazoo 8
OopsieDaisy 4
Elements 7
Saudade 3
Prince Zuko 1
Shigaraki 2
Son of a Shephard 1
NoPowerOverMe 10
DeathNote 7
Luca Blight 6
Datisi 9
Salsabil Faria 9

1=scum 10=town

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VOTE: cook

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Datisi may be scum but he's not a realistic option at this point.

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@cook we all know you'll be "blocked" tonight.

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I find cooks caginess and willingness to day 1 claim inconsistent.

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I wasn't willing to decapitate a cop day 1 but the story is more and more unbelievable.

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Elements is also not a believable pro town target.

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Shig no doesn't make sense at all really. Points to an inexperienced scum team.

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@datisi: I'm sure.

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Do you think town cook claims day 1? Do you think town cook believes shigs cop claim?

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I may be willing to wait on cook one more day.

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Shig already rescinded his claim.

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@Datisi: I preferred it when you just said I don't give a fuck.

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VOTE: saudale

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no you claim

Saudale is making no attempts to gamesolve.

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@sau why is oopsie town

Oopsie and datisi do not look great if saudale is scum.

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I don't know why the quotes are posting sorry.

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Because they are resisting a saudale elimination.

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This may be true but saudale associatives are stronger than oopsie associatives IMHO.

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Also saudale is more likely scum whereas oopsie is more likely newbtown.

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Sos flaunted his scumminess more than zuko did. This may be hard for town with so many inactive slots.

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I'm getting to the point where maybe we should speed lynch saudale and zuko and try to win with night actions.

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Sos flaunted his scumminess more than zuko did. This may be hard for town with so many inactive slots.

The more openly scummy inactive is normally the one more likely to be Town, from my experience

It's more nai iny experience but scumy town don't help town win.

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We need to eliminate the ones that are acting like scum. If we have to start saying scummy players are town we're toast.

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I would elim saudale or zito

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When saudale flips scum I am town leader.

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Or we can just Elim said.

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Saud

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I don't see new zito saying anything that changes anything.

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Lolhammer would be awesome.

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Hi fire I hope you are town!

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Only town can give shoot sorry.

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Vig shoot

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My point was that saudale targeting me specifically and him being so defensive and uninterested i scum hunting makes me pretty obvtown.

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Sorry I think Saudale is an excellent vote.

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NoPowerOverMe - Role PM
Salsabil Faria - Consensus is newbtown and I agree.
DeathNote - Actively involved and has good logic.
Rannygazoo - Same as Deathnote..
LucaBlight - Same as Deathnote.
Elements - Very active, don't agree with everything but more likely town than not.

Firebringer - More active player than his predecessor.
OopsieDaisy - Questionable on a lot of points.

Datisi - Very knee jerky pov that doesn't ping town.
Cook - Don't believe his claim he was blocked and he has a history of poor fake claims as scum.
Saudade - uninterested, illogical, and just a player we can't afford to keep around.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Some things are self evident. All men are creted equal. Saudade is scum.

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I don't want to be night killed so I need to present a certain level of scumminess.

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Many people often don't like my logic but my scumdar is very often on point.

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Datisi also doesn't look good on a red flip.

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Datisi resistance to the saudade elim is the reason.

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VOTE: datisi

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I kind of think oopsie is town because of scum!datisi and I don't know that ditisi busses in this situation.

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What question?

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I think the cook green flip means there is a scum blocking role.

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I wasn't sure on scum cook, I said I didn't believe him.

Reason I think daisy is town is that you are voting her and not vice versa.

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Saudade has scum written all over him.

I'm not going to repeat myself on daisy, it's pretty obvious why she's town and you're scum.

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Had scum.

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That's a good point.

I think 75/25 chance on datisi scum v. Daisy scum.

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Datisi is nervous because saudade flipped red and we know he wasn't on the wagon.

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I'm not very sure I'm just reasonably sure. The combination of you not wanting to vote saudade and you voting daisy leads me to conclude that she's town.

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The votes will come.

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It's not impossible just not likely. You are overreacting pretty hard on one vote.

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And you are the only one discrediting my logic.

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Shrug. Half of the players haven't posted at all yet. People seem to have an open mind.

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Datisi also doesn't look good on a red flip.

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He can cop on night 2 and night 3.

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Cook lied about being blocked. So sue me if I didn't believe him?

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Informed could have been anything not sure on the point of speculation.

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1346 was a joke.

I have had games where I caught scum and town lost because they didn't listen to me.

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I am still towing salsa.

Her arguments seem genuine.

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Towning.

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Oopsie does not strike me as a veteran player. I'm willing to give her a flier on saudade.

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That was pretty early day 1 though in fact I was town reading him at that point probably.

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Awwwe thx fire.

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Night specific is a normal modifier.

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I think it would be.

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Night Specific (or Night X) is a role modifier that enables a power role to act on specified Nights only.

Wiki says it can be multiple nights.

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Doesn't matter anyway it's already been mod confirmed.

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VOTE: firebringer

Sounds like he is setting up to retract his cop claim.

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I didn't trust your slot to begin with.

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The difference is I sheeped you our first game.

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He just said it's a fake claim.

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Rolls eyes.

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VOTE: firebringer

Sounds like he is setting up to retract his cop claim.

VOTE: NPOM

I fake claimed cop our first game together.