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[skitter30]

who's the scumlean you didn't want to vote?

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nobody
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that's kinda my problem

i said that i townread penguin, but not as strongly as i would like
she somehow construed that as 'scumread i'm not willing to vote'

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chara would you mind doing a rough readslist for me?

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i mean i don't want to vote either
when i said mena it looked like it was more likely a compromise could form on him given known reads

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Oh yeah the scumlean part was wrong

But I’d still expect you to lim someone you think you can read later rather than someone you know is Town now

i feel like her reaction to what i said was rather over the top and misrepp-y, but ya know

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thanks chara
ig i basically feel very ambivalent wrt your slot this game. like i read your posts and i'm just not getting anything ai out of them. they're there, but i don't see the underlying solving-thought process that would have motivated you to make these posts, if that makes sense. that doesn't make you scum per se but i just like ... idk. i don't see any soul or towniness or the thought process behind what you're posting
like you're posting a lot, but i don't see the follow-through from post to post that would show me how you're trying to solve the game.

(in an out-of-game sort of way, i like your posts a lot - you're very nice and chill and pleasant to be around!)

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like for example, luca, i see the underlying thought process behind his posts - it explains how he's approaching the game, and i understand how his thoughts change and what prompted it

pooky too - there's a consistent underlying narrative that ties all of his posts together

[skitter30]

i didn't have a read on norwee and i don't think i was willing to push it to a flip at the time

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the 'willingness to flip' aspect is the motivating difference

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Sigh

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He is very good at getting pagetops

I dont really want to flip penguin today basically

[skitter30]

ok but we need to kill something

I know :/ fwiw i think you're town btw

How confident are you that he’s Town?

~70% but i think i need a whole day to firm that up

[skitter30]

I mean, no, not at this point - we need to have a viable eod wagon

[skitter30]

I feel like Skitter’s tried to avoid getting her hands dirty during this EoD, especially if this flips Town

I mean i keep telling you not to misflip people, what do y'all want from me already

Like you're freaking out when i dont want to vote mena
You're freaking out when i do want to vote meba

You're freaking out that i dont want to join penguin
I'm sure if i said i wanted to i would be labeled as oppurtunistic

At some point it's like .... ok?

[skitter30]

No? Only mena and only at that moment, i woulsnt now - we werent moving towards compromise, and i was trying to foster that in some way

And yes, flipping people i sad i townread means that i'm avoiding gettkng my hands dirty, i agree /s

[skitter30]

And indeed

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Eod from my pov:

Everyone: lets vote penguin
Me: i think he's town and wont
Everyone: how strong is the read?
Me: not as strong as it could be but strong enough that i wont vote him
Lucy: skitter is scum for refusing to vote her scumread!
Me: i dont scumread him
Luca: skitter is scum for refusing to get her hands dirty
Me: ....
Everyone: votes penguin
Everyone: hammer penguin
Mod: penguin is a vt
Me: :shocked_pikachu: and :facepalm:

I'll actually read up a little later but i'm probably voting fark or lucy

[skitter30]

Or chara. Either way that wagon was riddled with scum, which i beliehe i distinctly called out at the time

[skitter30]

Just noticed Skitter is V/La so I guess that explains why she seems apathetic

also, yes, depression tends to have that effect. the fact that i even posted as much as i did last week was a distinct accomplishment

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Actually i've been rereading skitter and i think wking mena wouldn't be outside of her scumrange given her eod actions

Mena before we go on a rehash of d1, elaborate your case against me in light of what i've been engaging with you, i.e. prove me wrong and why i am on the scummy side of wrong

Skit please do the same

- i am utterly baffled that people are calling my defense of penguin scummy given that i ... do that literally every game that i'm in with him. see: recently finished jk++ where ss similarly didn't understand my penguin townread but i wouldn't vote him
- i don't townread you, i don't understand why anyone ever townread you, and you're repeatedly taking positions that are contrary to my understanding of the game (town-lucy, scum-pooky) and i don't understand how you came to those conclusions or why you have the positions you have
- i, once again, would not wk mena there when i can just have him eat the misflip ffs. what part of this is not getting across

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Skitter would be my choice right now as i think her approach to the penguin wagon was scummy, but I’ll see how things develop

i'm starting to become exasperated again but ok, let's go through this. why, exactly, was that scummy and what do you think town-me would have been doing there?

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But idc about today's pushes against me, i'm more worried about those people who pushed me *with* pooky yesterday, i.e. skitter

right, if i'm scum looking to push you today i kill the biggest supporter of your wagon who was townreading me until the end of the universe. that makes a lot of sense /s

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Well you don't go "it's massive swing if I am roleblocked" if you're, like, a fruit vendor...

i'm guessing he was thinking somewhere along the lines of: i'm a 1s vig and man would it be annoying if i were rb'd the one night i tried to take a shot, that's probably why if day is town it makes sense for him to be disloyal so as not to interfere with me

i don't think pooky should have *townread* him for that thoguht but i'm guessing that was his thought process

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luca and norwee you both need to explain why you're scumreading me

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Me too ftr + how she approached mena when he was about to be the compromise, when in the end she stayed off both wagons

man this is a convenient take for you to have

[skitter30]

VOTE: fark

[skitter30]

So everything she just said was posturing, basically, as she was in favor of the Penguin elim at this point.

what on earth are you talking about. i literally was never in favor of penguin and i said that literally every time it was brought up and every time anybody asked me about it

none of the quotes you pulled show me in favor of penguin

like ...

[skitter30]

like quote me saying i was in any way in favor of penguin
none of those quotes do, and you won't find any, because i never was

........

[skitter30]

it's a 165 page day1 and norwee was never going to be a viable lim at that point, and half the game wanted teh day to be over already. there was no point to it just then

that in no way implies that i was ok with penguin???

[skitter30]

in fact i clearly stated multiple times: penguin is town and i odn't want to flip him

i'm not sure how you're coming to the conclusion that i wanted penguin flipped at any point

[skitter30]

because we needed to form some sort of consensus - that doesn't imply i wanted the consensus to be on penguin ...
your norwee thing wasn't viable at that point so joining it wouldn't do anything either

pedit well how unfortunate that the people i wanted to flip weren't viable at that point
that didn't imply that i wanted penguin flipped

[skitter30]

you're town anyways so this whole thing is frustrated and annoying

[skitter30]

i want to push fark or lucy today
i kinda felt like they were 'off-limits' for a lot of yesterday and i'm not entirely sure why

pedit :)
pedit2: 'everyon'e there was a colloquial term for like 'the vast group of players who decided penguin was a good compromise yesterday'
pedit3: yeah when y'all misflip the guy i was saying i was townreading the whole game and somehow i'm scummy for not wanting to join the wagon i'm a little annoyed

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VOTE: skitter

I have a hard time believing you're this naive about your takes while being town

The fuck does it mean that you wouldn't lim the biggest supporter of your highest sr when he's a claimed pr, widely townread except by me and alisae and by killing him you can easily bank on everyone else's lhf-ing me

Also note that in eod you were posturing against pretty much everyone, keeping your options open but not pushing anything strongly.

You were ready to compromise on both mena and pp

and yet you enter the day pushing the surface level lhf and calling the wagon scummy when it took the whole duration of d1 to reach a compromise and i was one of the main antagonizers of that wagon ever since d1 start when suji was still the owner of the slot

Pedit: meh alisae i explained my position on lucy being town like a million times

Could vote alisae as well

nope, i don't believe this is a real read you have, sorry
VOTE: fark for emphasis

don't know what the bolded means
italics: i. was. not. willing. to. compromise. on. penguin.
where on earth this narrative came from is beyond me but i challenge literally anybody to find any semblance of backing to that narrative because i was not

characterizing yourself as lhf is an interesting take, but alright

[skitter30]

Skitter, Farkran was a viable wagon yesterday and you instead vanity voted Lucy while not trying to save your TR’s

i don't think he was at that point
i literally spent all of eod trying to explain to you lot that penguin was town but, sure, i was 'not trying to save my townreads'

mena was literally a compromise but once other options became available i stopped entertaining that

[skitter30]

He is very good at getting pagetops

I dont really want to flip penguin today basically

fwiw skitter what do you think about Norwee, Chara, Day, and SS

ss - town
norwee - town ig? idk not confident
day - nulltown not confident
chara probably nullscum

only one i'm confident on is ss

[skitter30]

farkran was very not viable eod yesterday

apparently he was and i should have been trying to flip him instead of trying to get you guys not to misflip penguin, so says luca and fark

[skitter30]

i feel like that's too easy but i dont' think fark is town

pedit right. but somehow i was indicating that i wanted that wagon to go through per fark and luca now

[skitter30]

Pedit: d1 i get to 5 votes from a wagon that had terrible motives for voting me. N1 the highest promoter of my wagon dies. D2 two people literally enter the day attacking me and your second post is a vote on me

But i'm not lhf. Ok, sure

that's your takeaway from my response ...

[skitter30]

i should be realizing you're town because you're lhf? is that what you're arguing rn?

and the fact that i'm not means i'm scum?

[skitter30]

Also Skitter what do you think of Day's read on me and the bits/moments where I was mentioned in their ISO?

idk i actually have to look at the iso, let me circle back a little later

[skitter30]

i should be realizing you're town because you're lhf? is that what you're arguing rn?

and the fact that i'm not means i'm scum?

I mean, this is what i am referring to

You're not trying to understand my position at all ever since i have been talking about lucy in d1, you're just looking for a reason for pushing me. I have laid out my thoughts for scumreading you, this post you quoted does not even mention my scumcase lol

Your position was naive on luca, lucy, pooky and me,

every time when it was convenient of you to find a scumread to pursue without committing yourself

to it in order to keep your options open + don't get discredited for mislims

- your positions seem very foreign and unnatural to me
- i'm not sure why i need to be mentioning your scumcase here
- i strongly disagree that my positions on any of those people were naive, and your'e creativing narratives for my votes that don't exist
- you're leaning into luca's thing about penguin to claim that i'm 'keeping my options open without getting discredited for mislims' and i have a very, very, very hard time believing that you believe what luca's pushing right now. are you really trying to tell me that you think i was towneading penguin while secretly trying to get the wagon to go through in order to get the flip without getting the blame for it? i very much want an answer to this quesion
- who is the bolded referring to?

[skitter30]

right, if i'm scum looking to push you today i kill the biggest supporter of your wagon who was townreading me until the end of the universe. that makes a lot of sense /s

fark i also need you to explain ho this makes sense

[skitter30]

or is that what you're characterizing as a 'naive' thought.

if you think taht that's naive and not how i approach this as scum you're either greatly misunderstanding how i play scum or are ignoring how i would in order to create this narrative

i never kill pooky last night, never in a billion years

[skitter30]

like if my plan for today is to push fark killing the guy who was pushing him yesterday who also was townreading me to that extent kinda puts a wrench in that plan,no?

it's not even about me looking good or anything it's like fark is saying i came into today looking to push him but why would i shoot myself in the foot overnight if that's what i'm trying to do as scum

[skitter30]

i would always bring him to elo? he's never going to vote me this game

why would i *ever* kiill him?

i'll get to the rest momentarily

[skitter30]

4. I literally said i was onto you before luca even begun to post in d2
5. Around eod you started doubting your position on mena and pp - you were ready to compromise on anyone after making an immense fuss about mena being town, i can look for the post for you if you don't recall

- luca was very clearly warming up to scumreading me again eod1 so this isn't a good defense
- i. was. never. going. to. vote. pp.
and the fact that you are still pushing this means that you're ignoring reality because it's inconvenient

mena i didn't really want to vote either, i was only goign to if we literally couldn't get a compromise otherwise, and i feel like people are blowing this out of proportion

[skitter30]

how you can possibly describe me as 'ready to compromise on anyone' is also baffling given that i started off a whole conversation trying to get everyone to say who they would and wouldn't vote given that there were multiple people i wasn't willing to vote

[skitter30]

5. Around eod you started doubting your position on mena and pp - you were ready to compromise on anyone after making an immense fuss about mena being town, i can look for the post for you if you don't recall

also, going from 'doubting my position on mena and pp' (which i wasn't, but besides the point) to 'ready to comprise on anyone' is a bit of a stretch ...

[skitter30]

I mean, you said that i scumread you just because you scumread me

also i don't think i ever said that ...

[skitter30]

it was a 165p day1 where forming wagons was next to impossible
how you can carte blanche say that me wanting to actually wagon somebody is scummy there is also like ? to me

[skitter30]

fakr when you wake up tomorrow morning i would like you to quote said post where i in any way indicated i was willing to vote penguin

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how you can possibly describe me as 'ready to compromise on anyone' is also baffling given that i started off a whole conversation trying to get everyone to say who they would and wouldn't vote given that there were multiple people i wasn't willing to vote

[skitter30]

i. did. not. leave. the. door. open. for. penguin.

it's convenient for you to say that i did, but none of those posts support that position

you're also taking a variety of posts from a longish period of time as compared to how quickly the game was moving in order to make it look like i was into more people than i actually was at eod. i'm p confident that if you did the same for most players in the game you'd find similar changing of minds.
you're calling it scummy because it's convenient, not because it actually is

[skitter30]

i mean from my pov should i be townreading you?

and why is that a 'smidge'?

and why should i be townreading him? he's pushing things that are either objectively ignoring reality, or are convenient to say but are not in line with how i actually play, or in line with things that actually happened

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VOTE: lucy

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lucy you're repeatedly having takes that don't make any sense to me whatsoever, similarly to fark.

fark is ignoring relevant pieces of information because they don't conform to his narrative - he can't actually find the me doing the things he's claiming i did, but he's pushing me for them anyways

[skitter30]

VOTE: fark
im probably just annoyed iwth lucy, fark is actually scummy tho

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Lucy i maybe got a little more frustrated than i should have a couple of hours ago, so sorry abt that

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Yes you did leave the door open omg, how is "he doesn't fit my town expectations" a closed door, like, what's your definition of a closed door when you yourself fought against menalque elimination so hard that you got townread out of it

Plz quote the post you're citing here

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I’m not saying you’d 100% kill him as scum, but to say you 100% wouldn’t just seems disingenuous

Fine, between now and elo something may change and i may kill him in such scenarios as you list. But i would not have killed him last night, and if his read on me stayed relatively status quo going forward, i don't see myself killing him in the near future. Better?

I probably kill you last night

[skitter30]

Yes you did leave the door open omg, how is "he doesn't fit my town expectations" a closed door, like, what's your definition of a closed door when you yourself fought against menalque elimination so hard that you got townread out of it

Plz quote the post you're citing here

I don't think i ever used that phrase so you're either misattributing domething to me, read one of my posts wrong and misunderstood it, or are twisting something i actually said to fit a narrative

And please quote directlt any posts where you think i indicated i was willing to vote penguin.

This seems to be a key part of your narrative, that i was willing to vote him, but i think i've asked you at least three times now to show me where that happened and you havent quoted the relevant posts yet
(Of course, i think you cant, but i'm now pointing out, once again, that you cant seem to back up the things you're accusing me of by pulling up the actual posts where i did the things you said i did.

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I contrl-f'd myown iso and cant find the phrase

So can you quote the post

This shouldn't be so hard

[skitter30]

for penguin: his meme/fluffpost - to - real - content ratio is a bit higher than i would like, but i think he's being purposeful with his vote which i associate with town-him day1

he doesn't *quite* fit the model i have in my head of town-penguin, tbf, but i think that a lot of those differences can be explained by the fact taht he joined the game mid-day1, and that i'd have a better sense for his alignment tomorrow

the few things that are off about him are not nearly enough to warrant a flip today

Like are you referring to this post? Because if you're takeaway is that i'm saying i'm willing to vote him because i dont think he looks like town-him, you're reading it wrong

Especially since i say: i townread him
And: i am now interested in flipping him

[skitter30]

*i am not interested

Fark just quote the post so we're all talking abt the same thing and i dont have to guess at what you're talking abt

[skitter30]

the few things that are off about him are not nearly enough to warrant a flip today

Are you purposefully ignoring this part, in the same post, or

[skitter30]

Like your argument is that i'm leaving an open door to vote him but the post you're citing i literally say i dont want to flip him

You're also taking the part you quoted out of context - i was repeatedly saying i townread him and wouldnt vote him. I admitted the read wasnt as strong as i liked (the part you cited) - i was very upfront abt that. Despite that i repeatedly said i wouldn't vote him, even tho the read wasnt as strong as it could be

[skitter30]

Fark if i'm town and was townreading penguin and didnt want to vote him how should i have said that

[skitter30]

Again how can you tell i was 'ready' to flip penguin?

Also, once again, i think you're taking the mena part out of context

[skitter30]

Am i like talking past fark? Is it possible we're like reading the same thing differently? From my pov this looks extremely contrived and misrepp-y, and like fark is cherrypicking things i said to fit a narrative but cant back up his claims when i point that out

Maybe i'm tunneled but i have a very, very, very hard time seeing this in goos faith

[skitter30]

Fark you're citing one half of a post i wrote to support your point while ignoring that you're taking my words out of context because literallly the next sentence i wrote belies the point you're trying to make

If i was voting you, vs voting lucy who i was actually voting at the time, how would that make me less 'ready' to vote penguin, which is apparently what i'm being scumread for. Like are you saying if i were voting you (and not lucy) i'm less able to switch my vote off and onto penguin and therefore voting you means i was less likely to vote penguin? I'm not even sire what you're arguing any more but that seems to be the crux of it, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.

I dont think you're pushing this in good faith and i dont have much else to say, if someone else wants to talk abt this feel free to let me know

[skitter30]

I'm not voting you *because* pooky died
And you weren't viable while penguin was unfolding

[skitter30]

You killed me N1 in this game because I was a pr Skitter, despite the fact I hard TR you

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I dont remember the context and it was a year ago
I know that if i'm scum i dont kill pooky last night becauss i'd much, much, much rather just enjoy the pocket

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Am i like talking past fark? Is it possible we're like reading the same thing differently? From my pov this looks extremely contrived and misrepp-y, and like fark is cherrypicking things i said to fit a narrative but cant back up his claims when i point that out

Maybe i'm tunneled but i have a very, very, very hard time seeing this in goos faith

@mena

[skitter30]

He was talking about misflipping him i'm p sure
I've never been scum againsg him and never nk'd him so

[skitter30]

Actually no. It was more a meme than referring to a specific past event i think

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I know that if i'm scum i dont kill pooky last night becauss i'd much, much, much rather just enjoy the pocket

How is this an valid argument for you to bring forth when you know Pooky literally crumbed PR and any scum with a good head on their shoulders in this game would have killed him since they'd know it was a true claim?

Just because he's a pr doesnt mean i need to kill him?
Like if i were going to kill a pr it would have been say (assuming he's town) so that i could keep pooky alive

[skitter30]

Skitter, why were you willing to vote Menalque but not PP?

Because at the time we needed a compromise and that looked like a viable one. Penguin i was p confident was town and i took him.off the table very early

[skitter30]

I feel like i'm playing in some parallel universe to the one yoyu guys are in

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Luca when you have a chance tonread through can you tell me what you feel abt fark

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I would have wanted the pocket. It makes dayplay like twelve times easier

And, again, if my plan is to push fark today killing the guy who was adamantly scumreading him just removes one of the easy fark-votes ...

[skitter30]

Skitter, why were you willing to vote Menalque but not PP?

Because at the time we needed a compromise and that looked like a viable one. Penguin i was p confident was town and i took him.off the table very early

So why weren’t you willing to vote PP when he became a viable compromise?

You seemed more confident in your Menalque Tr than your Pp one, am I right?

I dont know how to explain it better. Penguin i didnf want to vote. I didnt really want to vote mena but would have if i had to to get a lim. Voting penguin just would have felt wrong

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I also wasnf like imminently voting mena - i was saying it at a tine where wagons were stalling and i was trying to get some level of compromise going, like 'look i'm willing to vote this person who had some traction if it will unstall things, and if necessary to a flip'

It wasnt a carte blanche 'well now i'm voting all my townreads' like it has been described. it was mena specifically because at the momwnt i said it he had traction and i viewed it as 'getting the game unstuck'. I disnf want to, and i would have preferred nearly anyone else, and ultimately didn't because it had the desired effect of 'unsticking' things

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Skitter, why were you willing to vote Menalque but not PP?

Because at the time we needed a compromise and that looked like a viable one. Penguin i was p confident was town and i took him.off the table very early

So why weren’t you willing to vote PP when he became a viable compromise?

You seemed more confident in your Menalque Tr than your Pp one, am I right?

I dont know how to explain it better. Penguin i didnf want to vote. I didnt really want to vote mena but would have if i had to to get a lim. Voting penguin just would have felt wrong

Would you have voted PP to avoid a no-lim?

If it eas like literally 10 min to deadline and that was the only flip possible with who was online. Otherwise no

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How do you reconcile this with your objection to my Norwee vote/encouraging wagon competition?

I dont really see the contradiction? You were trying to start up a new wagon at a very late point in the day close to deadline (this was like a goos 36 hours after i said the mena thing iirc). Norwee wasnt viable, and it would just distract us trying to get to a flip.

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Like in my mind it was like: look we finally got some viable eod wagons (albeit on people i dont want to flip), why are we undermining that

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Fark idk what else to say i literally never kill pooky last night. And i'm not saying the push would be strengthened off of a pooky kill, that's literally my point. Killing him weakens a push against you by removing one of the votes

Also i beliebe i said this at least three times now but i am not doubling down because of nka. The fact that pooky died ia incidental to the reasons i find you scummy. It doesn't strengthen the scumread, and it doesnt weaken it, its nearly irrelevant. This is from town-me's perspective. The fact that pooky died for the most part does not affect how i'm reading you

However, if i were scum who wanted to misflip you, killing one of the main people scumreading you would have been silly.

Idk how else to explain the point, you're like conflating 'scum-me doeant kill pooky because he was scumreading you' with 'town-me thinks the pooky death strengthens thw scum-case' against you when i never really said the latter

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There was over 24 hours left. You just said you wouldn’t vote PP unless there was 10 mins left and no alternative

I feel like if I were in your position and strongly tr PP I’d at least try to get something going, and if nothing came of it at least I tried and maybe there’d be some info to take from it?

And you could have pushed Farkran instead of vanity voting Lucy

It’s like ‘I don’t agree with the lim and won’t vote him, but he should be limmed’, it seems a weird stance to me

Have to go now for a bit

The timeframe you're looking at was when i was at work and didnt really have time to do anything. Like i noticed the norwee thing and could make a quici post against it. Could i sit there and explain who would be a better wagon than penguin (which happened overnight + through my working day)? No, i could not just then. He was hammered before i took my lunch break

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@Skitter
Could you go over your main points for why you still are confident on Farkran being scum if we ignore NKA?

at this point it's mainly that i think his takes are political (especially r.e. lucy and pooky yesterday), and taht i don't think his read on me is real (namely, in that he needs to twist my words and cherry pick them in order to back up his arguments)

i don't believe he's arguing in good faith here, and i feel like he's looking for reasons to scumread me while deliberately ignoring what i'm saying or taking things out of context
like, for example, saying the first half of a specific post supports his point while ignoring that in the second half of the very same post i deliberately say the opposite of what he's accusing me of (see above)

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fark i don't think you're arguing in good faith and i don't feel like i need to respond to those. if someone else has concerns please let me know

[skitter30]

I think those tiers are being made with surrounding votes and context in mind. As I understand it, Mene would be I'm the "would never vote" category if not for the fact he had 3 votes and interest to be voted by others.

yes, and i don't think penguin had really been run up yet either

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I kind of miss skitter being mad at me game's not as fun now.

Skitter! You vanity voted yesterday! Rabba ru ru!!!!!

i mean i could switch back to you but it probably wouldn't be a good vote because if i'm being honest i really scumread fark more and my voting you was more that i was annoyed than anything else

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would you look at that, 2/3 of those names are the people voting me rn

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skitter, did you ever explain why you vanity voted Lucy? You say you didn't go for Fark because you didn't think he was viable in 4373, so what made you go for Lucy instead who in my opinion was even less viable?

Basically, 'm asking why you didn't push Fark or Norwee who both had 2 or 3 of votes iirc as alternatives to Pengo/Mene instead of resting on Lucy as the sole vote who arguably has a harder time getting executed than Fark/Norwee and has less votes.

3991 is the VC.

i felt like she was very obviously scum pushing a false narrative (namely that i was scummy for refusing to vote my scumread - penguin - who i made fairly clear that i wasn't actually scumreading), and she persisted in pushing this even though i tried to correct her multiple times

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im not sure how you're coming out of this that fark still feels townie even though we all agree he's not arguign in good faith here

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i didn't like most of them and didn't feel like fark was really viable either + i wasn't around as much on thursday/friday

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fwiw i agree with ali that there's likely multple scum onwagon

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should i be worried that ali is buddying me?
i feel like no

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i can kinda see it coming from both alignments
i think (?) that i'm leaning towards you being town tho

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+1

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No, pooky doesnt. Luca i'll get to the other things you've said/wrote after work

Pedit i honestly dont remember you saying that and it wasnf a factor in how i was approaching mena

If anything its silly as scum to propose a compromise lim on somebody that fhe most townread slot in the game just announced they were townreading

Pedit2 i wouldnt have killed him laat night. I'm not telling you to townread me off of it, i'm merely stating a fact

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Whether or not you guys would have made the kill doesn't change how likely it would have been for *me* to make it

And again i'm not telling you to townrwad me off of it, i'm pointing out that if i were scum who wanted to push fark today killing pooky would have, to some extent, negated my ability to do so

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Scum!Skitter would absolutely not be any less likely to kill Pooky and that is really starting to become an tired argument.

Yes, i would have

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It’s not a fact

If you kill me do you really think that would reflect well on you? Come on

Not bad enuf that i coulsnt talk my way out of it, i'm sure. Or i would have killed day, if i were going for pr's it would have been day over pooky 3000% of the time

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Farkran is on four votes already, yeah it’s really negated your ability to push him lol

And it could have been five and he would have done most of the heavy lifting sooooooo

Talk about trying to avoid getting my hands dirty

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Yes i'm sure i can but you'll have to hold off till later today when i have time to look

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Farkran is on four votes already, yeah it’s really negated your ability to push him lol

And it could have been five and he would have done most of the heavy lifting sooooooo

Talk about trying to avoid getting my hands dirty

Yeah cos Pooky wouldn’t have reassessed at all after inexplicably being kept alive and me being dead instead

I'm p confident he woulsnt have - nothint would have changed overnight to change his worldview

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@skitt who do u think you’d have killed

Luca or day

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viewtopic.php?f=94&t=80945 - luca you were in this one. We knew who the md was off of a very obvious crumb and killed someone else entirely (who happened to flip pr but we didnt know that at the time) - you can see how i weigh these things

I'll pull some more later and respond to the other thinfs then too, gotta go back to work

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@skitt who do u think you’d have killed

Luca or day

y

Luca for beinf highly townread and having a lot of influence
Day for the pr claim

Nobody else is high-influence enuf

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It’s not a fact

If you kill me do you really think that would reflect well on you? Come on

Not bad enuf that i coulsnt talk my way out of it, i'm sure. Or i would have killed day, if i were going for pr's it would have been day over pooky 3000% of the time

Day’s Pr kind of sucks though

Whereas Pooky could have been anything, and was more Tr than Pooky. Day could have been a future mislim depending on Pooky’s role, but Pooky wasn’t limmable

Don’t pretend that you’re this surface level in you’re thinking as scum

But pooky woupdnt have pushed me and would have pushed the people i wanted him to push, which is literally more important

Just because you view it differently than me doesnt mean this isnt what *i* would have done or how *i* would have approached it

The fact that pooky isnt limmable isnt relevant if he'a pocketed that hard - i would never be trying to lim him anyways so what do i care if he's limmable or not - like he'd be alive to townread me and to push people i want to push, not to lim him

Like yeah he's a pr, that's not the be all end all for killing someone and there are other factors to take into consideration

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A: Very active and solvey.
B: Very town and townread.
C: Had a power role that might clear their primary scumread or cause trouble for any mafia players.
D: Would become a big threat to town assuming they started to townread Farkran and they are both town power solving the game from D2.

Once again that's all fine abd good but:
A and b - yes and he was pushing the people that i wanted to push so this is a + for keeping him alive, not a -
C - like yeah ig but then i just move off of fark and start pushing someone else, and bus if necessary. he just as easily might not depending on what sort kf pr he had
D - unless he literally got a clear on fark overnight there's no reason to think his read might change on him suddenly, in fact i would bet that it would not

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Erm, yes - Him being alive and me being dead would have made him reassess big time, unless he’s a really low level player (which clearly he isn’t)

And for all you knew he could have been an investigative

Luca i know how he plays and i'm p sure he would not have

K really bouncing, bye. Luca i'll pull more examplea for yoy

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I'm kinda tired talking abt it too.

This is how i view fhe game, you are free to believe me or not, but this is not the kill i would have made last night, and i will be stubborn on this because i know what i would have done

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I don't believe this for the record

I mean of course you wouldnt. Luca be wary of fark buddying you btw

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From an objective standpoint, isn’t it *safer* and more logical to assume scum!Skitter (along with her team who also have a say) *might* have killed Pooky in this situation?

Like I’m not even arguing the kill incriminates her, I’m just saying it certainly doesn’t clear her as it was objectively the obvious kill

If there’s other compelling reasons for Town!skit then I’m open to hearing them, but I’m never going to buy this line of reasoning

And I’m suspicious of the number of players who have so willingly accepted and peddled this line. I believe Menalque is genuine in what he’s saying, but I’m not so sure from players like Lucy and SS

I wouldnt have made the kill and i am in no way making the argument that you ought to be townreading me off of this. I'm telling you what i would have done. I'm not saying it incriminates or clears me, you guys are reading in those assumptions/conclusions

I only keep bringing it up in response to you guys talking abt it, as a standalone thought i really dont think its that important

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I had a look at Mene's new scumwin and the contrast to his play here makes me feel better about that townread. He tries to ~solve~ and ~look towny~ with his time there when he just wasn't doing that for the first half of this game (credit goes to skitter22).

I liked Chara's recent thoughts and they echo what I don't like about Alisae.

Right, exactly like i said a week ago r.e. panic room
The town game is now legal to talk abt - the recently finished jk++ wherein i was in a hydra with him

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Ya no fuck it.
I'm a day 3 IC

Really?

Also: ali is p townie and its gross that eir being wagoned as a counter to fark who has basically started letting luca make the counterpushes/defense for him

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Luca this really isnt important, it only became important because you made it so

We reallu should be flipping fark, who i believe is using luca to try to get out of the predicament he's in

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Again i know there's more things but after work

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Fark isn’t using me, I’ve come to the conclusions I have through my own thought process

He basically took a step back once you started pushing me because you're doing the heavy lifting

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Ali if this is serious and you're not an ic tomorrow we probablh flip you

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Ali can you not selfvote plz, thats e1 i think

Pedit uh

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I also agree from ali's pov it makes a lot of sense to view this as a scum-motivated cw

Pedit i wanf to kill fark and i actually care ...

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Oh luca...

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Here's for hoping this is scum!

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Luca i'm sorry to break it to you but you're a bit tunneled

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Yeah i'm annoyed too
Fwiw i dont think ali is scum irregardless of the flip

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If Skitter was Town she’d be having some doubts right now at least as scum doesn’t get limmed like this

She is sardonic and calm - she has been given a gift of a mislim

Ali could be Town or scum, it’s a coin toss. Day, idk anymore. His vote was out of the blue which seems very scummy in context

Town is screwed basically

I mean i dont know he's gonna flip scum but i think its the likely outcome

I think ali and day are town regardless - given that i am distinctly, ya know, not following up with pushing ali i would love to hear more abt how i'm setting up for tomorrow

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if Fark flips town i do think Ali is scum and you really need to explain why you don't think that skitter.

However id fark is town i think this is scum

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Skitter is just setting up as usual. They are probably scum too. Like even if Alisae is town. They seem to constantly put out these fake thoughts that just confuse town.

Uh huh. What am i settinf up?

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The only thing that actually makes me think this could be a townflip is the fact that Norwee is posting.
He probably wouldn't be if he was actually teamed with Fark but I'm going to throw this out the window if Fark flips scum.

He probably isnt teamed with fark

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I’ve seen scum pull shit like that before which is why I’m now suspicious of Day

'm sorry but it's ridiculous to assume that I vote Farkran for 57 seconds as scum while knowing he's on L-2 and hoping Ali hammers in that time period. I can understand you're frustrated if you hard townread Fark and think he's definitely flipping town but I think you're being fueled by your emotions right now.

He is, yes

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I actually think chara is scum regardless

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I have to sleep now

Lim Skitter -> Ali then look at SS, Day, maybe Lucy?

I don’t have time to put down more developed thoughts.

Good luck

Luca if fark is scum can we like have a truce tomorrow
If he's town there's a world of hurt coming my way, i'm aware

Pedif norwee you too

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Soooooo if fark is scum you're just gonna continue pushing me?
:shrug:

Like you're not being rational at that point

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if Fark flips town i do think Ali is scum and you really need to explain why you don't think that skitter.

However id fark is town i think this is scum

sure, this is a great way to answer that, thanks skit.

Because e's too self-aware abt how this looks and how e'a going to eat the flip tomorrow if e's wrong, and i dont think they knowingly do that too themselves, they're actually good at scum

E's obviously unsure of the flip and hoping its what e thinks it is - doesnf feel like scum even if its just bad play

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And most importantly i think you should recognize bad != scum and it feels like you're capitalizing on bad play to set up tomorrow @chara

This is the one doubt i have abt fark flipping scum ^

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Ok gotta bounce again

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Hopefully this will give some level of clarity

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Gg everyone! This one was fun :)

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Not sure how fast i would have gotten to scum-ss but otherwise i think i was p on point

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This was a fantastic pl :)

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Hey this pl was super super awesome and i'd love to play with you all again - i just inned for jingle's fakeclaim mafia in the mini theme queue if anyone is interested!

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^

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Whereas skitter and Menalque were gaining momentum, rather quickly. I think it's likely that they would have changed the mind of one of those people before consensus was reached on anyone else.

For which part?

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like in what fantasy world does scum skitter shoot town pooky to stop him from death tunneling fark-town so she can hardpush fark instead?

its just nonsensical.

Idk i thought so too

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And I still find it weird how Skitter didn’t push the Farkran lim D1 and allowed it to go on PP so passively but w/e

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I wouldnt have tho

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:)

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Ali you were awesome too !

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Also sorry for misreading u isis!

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I'm really confused whether or not you're day lol

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I actually dont remember how strongly i townread ss - i prob flip Lucy before him but i imaginr that in 3way i would probably flip him is my guess

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still not sure how I played better than skitter
tbh i kinda relied on skitter a lot to be really reliable because skitter is like, suuuuuuuper reliable.

Eh not always, u were really good post-day1 and def helped organize things lategame

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Scum pt?

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Ty!