Mini 659: The Neighborhood- Game over on Day 6

[Oman]

Claiming miller unbidden verifies the existance of a cop and narrows the search for him. It also creates a good meta strategy for scum if it becomes the norm. So, like, shame on you or something.

1. I agree scum could make the claim.

2. I will not take this in to account while reading the game, lets face it, if he's scummy enough, I'll vote for him.

3. Your first point here is LIES!! LIES LIES LIES!!

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Then check the player list up top. This claim actually got scum lynched later on.



Hai, I'm Oman, I'm replacing westbreek or something.

Then I'm going to tear people a new one.

Umm...Basically, I will be looking around...sneakylike.

Oh, I just had an Idea: Mafia, I'm on your team now, feel free to PM me your names and we can all be friends. I swear. Maybe I'll PM you a place to meet and I'll come alone and not with the whole town ready to lynch you.

Now I need to get to work.

[Oman]

Hi Oman. Your reputation preceeds you. I look forward to reading your opinions.

As I you, good sir.

[Oman]

We would then have a long look at you to decied if a lynch would be a good idea or bad idea. So, the cop really does have a reason to look into you....

PRetty much a suble cop direct. But it looks well intentioned.

Are you really trying to direct a cop investigation? Why?

Good catch

True. But if we believe him, which I'm inclined to do, it narrows the search for scum as well.

Why do something so stupid? Well, geez if we're BELIEIVING people, why don't we just have townies claim, I'm sure teh mafia

wouldn't lie!

.

Not to mention the HUGE mafia benefit to claiming miller D1.

1) WIFOM notwithstanding, it's too risky for a scum to make this claim on PAGE 1

Lies. I've never seen someone lynched for claiming miller.

2) There could be multiple scumgroups/an SK/etc. So even if he's scum, there's a chance being "cleared" by town will get him killed by another faction, again making it pointless to fake.

Also Lies. Any scumgroup will keep the scummiest looking person alive.

##unvote, vote tony. His post is all over the map. He's trying to sow the seeds of doubt without having to take responsibility himself.

We call that hypocricy.


Ythill wins townie brownies for being the first to post a player by player analysis.

Emotions (ticked off) should play no part in mafia.

Stupid rationalist. Emtions are crucial.

##Vote: Lowell

Haven't liked his play at the start and this attack on tony is starting to look more and more of a stretch.

This is called "Doing a lowell".

##unvote, ## vote rash. I ain't claimin', bro. This wagon is too poor.

Pure OMGUS

##Vote Lowell

1. If this guy is scum I'm voting for Username because of Lowell's jump to A) the praise "I don't know scum gutsy enough" and B) the early defence, never considering Iamuserscum.

2. I believe Lowell is anti-town in any case, he pulls in flakes in and out and makes terrble statements, essentially a policy reason

3. This should give us a lot.

4. We are actually promised a lot more information in night than usuall. We are promised (but not guarrenteed) a cop.

5. L-1 Claim or die Lowell.

[Oman]

Ah, forgot to watch the topic. My bad.

[Oman]

PRetty much a suble cop direct. But it looks well intentioned.

Well intentioned how?

I.e. He wants the cop to find scum.

Ythill wins townie brownies...

Thanks and all, but I'd rather have you nominate me for a special title.

My bad, maybe after the game.

1. Conspiracy? Really?
2. Policy lynch on page 8. I knew you were a rash player but... wow.
3. I agree that the information potential is good.
4. How is having a cop unusual?
5. Nice sentiment, but it's a lot scarier from someone who isn't already voting for him.

1. Ya, conspiracy.
2. Would you prefer a policy lynch later in the game? Page 8 is the best time.

For clarification, I'm not rash, I'm just not a pansy. That is, most people are afraid to do certain things cause it makes them look scummy, I'm not, I do what I can to find scum.
3. It is.
4. Its not unusal, its just not guarentteed.
5. Well, Its standard.

If you don't back this one up, it is strike 2.

3 strikes and you vote? Or are these hollow?

Also: I just remembered where I first met you. You were a cop. I killed you.

##unvote

Taking Lowell off the edge, to avoid untimely hammer.

Claim

You skirt. No-one hammers these days cause they're too afraid to. Just like you're afraid of the hammer.

I'm confused as to what you mean by this. How are we promised more information than usual?

The miller suggests a cop. Doesn't guarentee though.

I said I was inclined to believe iamausername, and you inferred that I was inclined to believe anyone saying anything. Is your sarcasm intended to make everyone else think I'm stupid? Why would you want to do that?

No, you believed a miller. You were inclined to believe a miller, whatever, the point is, you took something someone said on Page 1 at face value. Which is not a good idea.

If you didn't want him lynched, you should have unvoted

Incorrect, if he wanted a claim or just pressure, its all good.

OH WAIT!

##Unvote

I don't support any hammering of Lowell right now. Still want him to talk more though.

This shows he wanted pressure.

##unvote; vote: Darox

Bad move.

I now fully endorse ##vote:Darox.

Also a bad move.

The case against me is highly amusing.

Also wrong.


You guys really need to get your shit together and look at what is anti-town.

[Oman]

He was not at L-1 again...

My bad. My point still stands that you tried to climb out of the bandwagon quietly after you basically refused to do so in you previous arguments.

@oman: I'm pretty sure that his actions so far has shown that Lowell doesn't react to voting pressure. Darox's unvote was just a bit too timely for my liking. Voting isn't the same as lynching, and he's far from that.

You're right..

Lets lynch the bastard! (Lowell I mean).

[Oman]

Post. Monday is mafia day for me.

[Oman]

Yep, perfectly hammerphobic here.

Guilty as charged. The last time I played mafia, the hammers were flying left and right.
In any case, I unvoted to make room for a claim from lowell 2 pages and 5 days ago. I guess it ain't happenin..

So why is the vote not coming back on at this point?

Asking for a claim while unvoting is barking without the threat of a bite.

My emo sister wins this one. (<3 Rashi)

No, I'm not saying he's coherently playing like a village idiot. I'm saying he's coherently playing like scum. Rather unsubtle scum, but scum.

I do not see a tommy/lowell scumteam.

What difference does the number of votes on Lowell make?

IGMEOY

Idealistic, but I wouldn't say practical.

Actually my vote has been on crywolf and the first time she promised an in-depth post without providing one is in my initial argument.

Aye, my mistake.

But it's a good catch, I should have been more elaborate. I hate doing walls of text, sometimes to my own detriment. You have full right to call me out on that.

IGMEOY

I'll be watching your posts, this feels wrong.

I've seen enough Oman games to know that I always find him scummy, and this is no exception.

I have no quarrel with this, but I want you to be smart about it.

And, btw, I still don't get the "we're promised a lot more information in night than usual" statement. Yes, we're pretty likely to have a cop, but that doesn't mean the rest of us will be getting any great wealth of info tonight. I don't understand at all how "we probably have a cop" is a justification for lynching Lowell.

Its not a justification for lynching Lowell, its a justification to not be afraid of night (i.e. afraid of lynching).

Don't I get a "bad move"?

Meh, I took less issue with your vote. It was less slushy.

but a player has asked me to delete them because they were distracting, so I've done so.

This sucks, but I'll leave alone for now. After the game we'll discuss this.

But if I decide to go vote Lowell again, inevitibly hammering him, and for some reason it ends up being a mislynch, all the heat gets placed right back on me.

1. If you're town, don't be afraid only scum should be afraid (note: this isn't a scumtell, cause town do it too). 2. Everyone on a lynch is responsible.

- I have a thing against self-debating posts where somebody appears to act in opposition to what their words are saying.

You will hate me later. I do these often.

Instead, they are intent on lynching the VI.

You don't believe Lowell could be scum? Avoiding the wagon?

This is obviously a joke, so tell me. What is the real case against me?

I see scum say this more often then town. Though I see town say it enough to make me hesitate. BTW: There isn't a huge case against you, you're understating it though.

Bandwagons I'll endorse is still Darox (he's been dismissing the case against him as a joke. Not a good defence in my book) and Crywolf.

I may join you on one of these tomorrow depending.

2) When you say "Lowell's play style means nothing to his allignment", do you mean that it's actually impossible to find any evidence against him, and that a Lowell-lynch will always be a blind guess?

This is pretty accurate in regards to VIs. Gatorguy, Lowell, thinktank

Oman so far has seemed fairly strong in his posts and reads protown to me.

<3

I dont think the Darox case is strong enough for me to vote at deadline, though there are some points to consider tomorrow

True dat

Crywolf doesnt read as scum to me, but as noob town who is trying a bit to please town.

I agree.

Something to look at later in the game but not a good day 1 lynch.

I think its gonna be a long long time, till touchdown brings me round again to find. I'm not the man they think I am back home. OH NO NO NO!

At deadline I will most likely vote lowell, as he provides the most information for us about other peoples alignments. For instance, if lowell is scum, his 100% belief of Iamausernames claim indicates to me that user is scum. There are some other decent connections I've drawn as well, which I will save til tomorrow.

ROOOOOCCKKKKEEETTTT MANNNNNNNN! ROCKETMAN!

Oman is always strong / assertive in his posts FYI.

Fo Shizzle, muh Nizzle. This is true

In the only other game I played with him, he was a mafia spy and pegged me as cop.

Even before I investigated you. To be fair, the mafia "spy" he's talking about was a mafia rolecop and my cop suspicions were confirmed rather easily.

Oman is a solid player and writing him off as protown after so few posts is a huge mistake IMO. You will set yourself up to be lead around whatever direction he wants if he is scum.

Wait...I thought we were friends... Anyone, you'll know I'm scum when claims come. That tracker claim bought me a day, it was goat's excellent play that won it.

crywolf - acting scummy (no posts have sturck me as protown) without precedent for doing such as town

Umm...every "scummy" thing crywolf has done is essentially precendented as newbie town.

Overall I'm liking the general amount of :goodposting:

This is :goodposting:

Claim or die is not the same as 'He hasn't claimed yet, kill him.'

?????????

!!!!!!!!


Guys, with deadline this close (within the week I think) we all need to get on one target, and I'm saying NOT DAROX!

[Oman]

Guys, with deadline this close (within the week I think) we all need to get on one target, and I'm saying

NOT DAROX!

I respectfully disagree. Darox has been all over the place on a case that YOU pointed out wasn't all that strong to begin with. While my finger is still itching for Lowell, his inactivity makes me wonder if he's still interested in this game at all.

Mod: Has he picked up his prod?

If so, then I say, hang him. If not, he needs to be replaced ASAP.

Stop misdirecting from Lowell.

[Oman]

Crywolf is looking scummier and scummier, its like she's stumbling around looking for a handle on this. Still, lowell today pluz

[Oman]

My I ask what was so "scummy" about that last post.

I said it, you seem to be looking for somewhere you can stick.

Also, if he is alive when night comes, a cop (if we have one) would likely investigate him.

Why is this a bad thing?

Cause no cop can defend him without outing himself.

Still not the same thing as calling for a hammer. You are giving him time to breathe and explain himself.

Wait.... Do you think this is good or bad?

[Oman]

You're wrong on your reasons, but the answer is right.

[Oman]

We need a Hammer ASAP. He gave a bunch of crap, half of it not even true and didn't claim. Thats scum right there.

[Oman]

Well. I'm a lycnher, thankfully Lowell was my target.

Thanks guys, great game.

[Oman]

*PSTTTTTT NOT REALLY!*

[Oman]

Two posts, two terrible posts. You aren't doing too well today. I may just reread you for that.

[Oman]

Two posts, two terrible posts. You aren't doing too well today. I may just reread you for that.

Oman, who are you refering to? Rash or Tony??

Tony, sorry. IGMEOYing someone for a joke (especially as we go into night) looks like setting up for the next day on something superweak.

Then that sudden hit on Rashiminos even though I don't remember him going after him all day....well, like I said, it looks like he's setting up.

[Oman]

Tony, sorry. IGMEOYing someone for a joke (especially as we go into night) looks like setting up for the next day on something superweak.

No joke, no set-up.

No, my comment was a joke, and you IGMEOYed me for it.

[Oman]

Really? What for then?

[Oman]

HUZZAH!

Tommy, could you explain why you IGMEOYed me?

[Oman]

Could it not just be that they wanted to get the miller out of the way rather sooner than later, and save power-role hunting for when they have a better shot?
No scum wants a miller in a endgame. And the chance that user could've been fakeclaiming to protect himself would be a bonus.

Can you explain what kind of Bizzaro world where a claimed miller is harmful in the endgame to the scum team?

Makes it easier to confirm a cop...Seriously, any non-vanilla role hurts scum in endgame.

[Oman]

Could it not just be that they wanted to get the miller out of the way rather sooner than later, and save power-role hunting for when they have a better shot?
No scum wants a miller in a endgame. And the chance that user could've been fakeclaiming to protect himself would be a bonus.

Can you explain what kind of Bizzaro world where a claimed miller is harmful in the endgame to the scum team?

Makes it easier to confirm a cop...Seriously, any non-vanilla role hurts scum in endgame.

You mean, confirm a cop's sanity? Or confirm that a cop is a cop? I don't see how the second one would work.

Roles often work in pairs. Miller+cop pair is likely to exist.

[Oman]

And user narrowed a cops search for scum, as well as the towns (as long as user was believed) , so yet another reason for them to take him out of the equation.

I guess so, I don't really understand why we're all defending the scum's NK choice.

[Oman]

Can I quickly state that I doubt Ythill to be scum right now.

[Oman]

Explain myself:

I've been playing mafia for a year, and have come across Lowell several times. I can't read him, he's anti-town, and I've used him to slip under the radar before.

I know how dangerous he is as either, and how useless he is as a townie. For that reason (and I made it perfectly clear) I did not want him alive.

[Oman]

I really don't like Tony at the moment.

Dude, just explain why you IGMEOYed me!

[Oman]

Dude, just explain why you IGMEOYed me!

Agree on this. At the time, it seems like you directed it at the 'joke' Oman made. But you never really made clear why you did it, AND why at that time in particular.

Not to mention not answering the two other times I'd asked.

[Oman]

Dude, just explain why you IGMEOYed me!

I found your style of posting alittle erratic when you entered the scene. And I'm always suspicious of powerplayers like yourself.

You've never played with me, and/or never heard about me, right?

This is me to a T, I've always been jumpy, erratic, and gut. Only in newbies when I'm ICing do I even give a semblance of control.

[Oman]

@Oman: So you felt he'd be a smokescreen. How do you explain that at least two people were answering to valid cases yesterday if Lowell is so bad for scumhunting? And why choose him over one of them?

I explain it by pointing to the fact that the majority vote was still on Lowell. I explain it by showing you that

neither

of those cases were even close to being good lynch material (maybe for Day 1..I'll conceed that). The cases were poorly thought out and poorly presented, mostly because the fervor was around Lowell.

And why choose him? Simply return policy. Lowell would have given us the big return for the little risk.

[Oman]

I'm happy to ##Vote: Tony Montana.

[Oman]

##Vote Tony Montana

[Oman]

Tommy - why did you feel the need to answer for Tony there?

FTR Bionic is playing exactly as he did in the last game. I've got him pinned for town for now.

[Oman]

Can somebody remind me how Crywolf has managed to slip completely out of the picture here?

Sure, Darox soft-claimed

I haven't soft claimed anything.

meh.

##unvote TonyMontana

I kind of thought you were making a soft-claim myself which is why I couldn't provide any solid reasons for following you. Since you are saying you weren't, then I see no reason to vote Tony based on arguments given throughout the game.

NOTE: IF YOU THINK SOMEONE IS SOFT CLAIMING, DON'T POINT IT OUT. All it does is point the mafia to them. The point of soft claiming is to keep it SECRET AND SUBTLE.

[Oman]

Darox seems to be spanking Tony around, and Tony seems to be putting up strangely irrelevant defences.

DAROX: How do you feel about Tony, Town/scum etc

TONY: How do you feel about Darox, Town/Scum etc.

[Oman]

Darox seems to be spanking Tony around, and Tony seems to be putting up strangely irrelevant defences.

DAROX: How do you feel about Tony, Town/scum etc

TONY: How do you feel about Darox, Town/Scum etc.

If my defenses seem irrelevant, it could be because Darox hasn't said anything of value or substance since yesterday. I don't feel the need to defend myself against some douche who is blatantly trying to create reasons for the vote he claimed he had reasons for in the first place. Makes alot of questions, gives no answers.
I can't be the only one who thinks Darox is absolutely ridiculous right now?

TOWN. SCUM. OR OTHER?

[Oman]

I wouldn't be voting him if I thought he was town.

You could think he was town but needed to be lynched.

You've not given me a straight answer, which is interesting more than anything.

Pending Darox's repsonse, you catch my vote.

[Oman]

I know, Bionic, but I thought I'd cover my bases.

And Tony, you're not dealing with 3-year-olds, you're playing mafia. Get used to be questioned and critized or give up now.

[Oman]

TonyWagon 08 > Tommywagon 08

[Oman]

Can I quickly state that I doubt Ythill to be scum right now.

Can I again ask you to expand?

He's acting as I would expect town to and not how I would expect scum to. He's prolly town.

[Oman]

Guess whose drunk!>!>!


Darox is totally town, dropt his shit.

Also, Crywolf totally has scumtraits, but could be town. He seems to be stumbling more than leading the town in bad directions, so I'll put him down to porkens.

These tweo wagons are bogus.

[Oman]

Guess whose drunk!>!>!


Darox is totally town, dropt his shit.

Also, Crywolf totally has scumtraits, but could be town. He seems to be stumbling more than leading the town in bad directions, so I'll put him down to porkens.

These tweo wagons are bogus.

[Oman]

Just checking in. I see that nobody has commented on my PbPA... unless Oman's drunk double post counts.

While it is an in-depth PbPA against someone I think has acted scummy (and my votes have reflected this feeling) recent scum hunting errors by myself lead me to believe crywolf may actually be town. I am finding most actions I have previously deemed scummy are actually just mistakes made by town players scrambling to lynch scum. If she were an experienced player, I might suspect a gambit of being overtly scummy. I think in reality, newbie scum would be much more cautious than she has been and not thrown a vote around as much as she has..

Wait, so because you've been wrong before you're doubting yourself?

[Oman]

Just checking in. I see that nobody has commented on my PbPA... unless Oman's drunk double post counts.

While it is an in-depth PbPA against someone I think has acted scummy (and my votes have reflected this feeling) recent scum hunting errors by myself lead me to believe crywolf may actually be town. I am finding most actions I have previously deemed scummy are actually just mistakes made by town players scrambling to lynch scum. If she were an experienced player, I might suspect a gambit of being overtly scummy. I think in reality, newbie scum would be much more cautious than she has been and not thrown a vote around as much as she has..

Wait, so because you've been wrong before you're doubting yourself?

No, I am rethinking what I consider scum tells. Consistently having town players as the scummiest means I am viewing town 'mistakes' as scum tells and the thought process needs to be revised. If I theorize only scum would do an action and then town players do that action several games in a row, I obviously can't use it to hunt scum anymore.

Thank god. I thought I was gonna have to bitch slap you.

You consistently make me happy to play games on this site, you're a champ.

[Oman]

What am I supposed to say? Basically everything you said was rhetorical.

That doesn't cut it.

The votes are all over the place, it's time we put some pressure somewhere.

##unvote, vote: Crywolf

Wow, you don't fuck around do you? As soon as the vote numbers jumped up so did yours...

[Oman]

It is not my first Lowell game.

Fhqwhgads, why do i make this fun?

[Oman]

Because the both of you are direct and seem not to be distracted by BS. I like that.

I tend to throw the BS out there

[Oman]

Daroxclaim is not a good idea because daroxscum does not exist.

[Oman]

Daroxclaim is not a good idea because daroxscum does not exist.

This is probably too late, but what the hell do you mean? (With two hrs left to go.)

Darox is does not look like scum to me, I admit I may be wrong, but he looks very very much like a townie stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Thus forcing him to claim is a bad idea.

[Oman]

Vote Tony

Residual.

[Oman]

Still not buying the case on Tony, especially after the late day hung jury. But I'll reread him more carefully today.

Rash is obv-town. Process of elimination suggests that wolf is full of shit unless we have a 9:2:1 setup.

@wolf: Whom did you "protect" and why?

Do you think that scum would've resolved it if one of their buddies wasn't on the line? Yesterday was the best day for scum, nolynch = no info.

[Oman]

Popcorn is the best idea. But is massclaim at this point...Oh wait let me run the numbers.



Yep! Popcorn.

[Oman]

Does this make Ythill more town or scum in anyones eyes?

[Oman]

Does this make Ythill more town or scum in anyones eyes?

Probably somewhat scummier, it's a relation among PEG (dead pro-town), Ythill, and a lynch target yesterday. It's more of a knee-jerk reaction than something I credit.

I had the same reaction.

[Oman]

I think that ythill is scummy as hell now bnrecuase he/she felt then eed to defend oneself over soemthing that was not hizs /jer hchoiuce!



(note: drunk as fukc tonihgt!)

[Oman]

Can someone compile the claims as we go. I'd do it but I have no time. I could do these two, but are there any more?

[Oman]

crywolf: big city doc
m4yhem: florist/vig
Rashiminos: crossing guard / vanilla

next up to claim: tony

left to claim:oman, bionic, ythill, fhqwhgads

Thanks so much. I'll try to keep up with it as we go.

[Oman]

Librarian. I see people come through every day and can check their reading records.

Watcher.

Can we wait until later to do targets we may out something we don't need to.

[Oman]

N1: No-one targeted Ythill. He was looking town, thought he was the likely NK.

2. Doctor is not immediatly outcast in a watcher/tracker combo. Because watcher/tracker are half as powerful as a cop each, they work with the doctor. Of course, I'm not entirely sure that a doctor isn't the best idea for this with a vig and two investigative roles. That is...now that we've massclaimed, I don't know where to go with it. I don't want to take out any of our power roles (props to bionic for trying to start an anti-tracker wagon there).

3. Looking at the power roles in this game, we seem rather rich for a town. I might want to look at the possibility of an SK. Although the miller does balance us out, but not without a cop. How intruiging. I'm thinking an SK is entirely possible. Mafia, please kill m4yhem, he's dangerous to you either way.

4. Although I gave you shit for it before, i entirely agree with this point. Though, we've all made bad choices in night actions.

5. Watcher isn't protective, its investigative.

[Oman]

I see...indirect protection. Still, a different type of protection than doc, right?

And last night I targeted Wolf, thinking the doc would be most likely to be NKed.

[Oman]

M4yhem had already stated that Elias targeted no-one N1.

m4yhem, I've now decided you're a vig and not an SK. Well done.

[Oman]

Actually watcher/Tracker are often used independantly as well to create balance when a similar investigative (i.e. cop) would be overpowering.

They're also individually a great way to get investigations in your game without a cop being there...y'know, because cops suck.

That being said, I believe we have both.


Also: I'm trying to get a replacement for myself. I leave on saturday.

[Oman]

Ythill has been nailing Crywolf for a while, and if take Bionics logic above (which I will, cause I think he's town) then Crywolf is scum. Therefore, the remaining two scum from bionics set is Rash and flqwhgads unless Ythill is involved in a long and difficult bussing session.


If he wasn't the doc, i'd be happy to go after crywolf today. I'm also willing to sign off Ythill as town for now, on the condition that crywolf is scum, because I just don't see a bussing session being this long, when scum could instead be proactive and screw the town.

[Oman]

I will be replaced, regardless.

[Oman]

Oversight, sorry, I don't want to lynch any claimed powerroles today, we don't seem to have in excess at all (maybe +/- 1).

I'm actually going to leave the voting until I am replaced in two days max, because, well, I don't want a replacement to have to defend a vote I make here.

##Unvote

[Oman]

Ythill, for my explanation, see bionicchop.

I think Wolf is good to keep alive, because she could keep our NKs down, which could save our arse here. Not only that, but there are two other scum out there we could take down, and our mulititude of power roles really means that any powerrole who is lying is pretty much screwed over the next night or two.


I really think it IS important to decided whether our vig kills or not. I've been a vigilantee, I know the selfishness that occurs when you think you can save the town, and I think that it would be dangerous as hell to rely on a vig to save us when, if Wolf

does

block the NK (though, she's more likely to be committing it IMO, but I have to play the numbers) then we're saved. A misvig would lose it for us again.

I think we should decide a few scenarios, as in: If we lynch wolfscum, vig does/doesn't (can't get the numbers) If we lynch wolftown vig does kill (because thats a loss anyway). If we lynch anotherscum, vig does not kill. If we lynch anothertown, vig does/doesn't.

[Oman]

Good point bionic. Although directing the cop was a pretty crappy move on your point.

[Oman]

Good point bionic. Although directing the cop was a pretty crappy move on your point.

I am pretty sure you meant doc here. Look at it this way - if we had one cop and one doc, we would all tell the doc to protect the cop. If we mislynch and the vig is our best shot of recovering, then you are damn right I am going to direct a doctor to protect them. If we lynch scum, then I don't care who is protected.

Yeah I did mean cop. Of course, the doctor should be smart enough to know how to play without you letting everyone know. HOWEVER, II do like the WIFOM it develops, so long as the doctor doesn't listen to you, which kind of makes directing the doc pointless.

[Oman]

Bionic, crywolf's choice is nullified if you make it for her regardless. So if she doesn't deserve to make the choice, then it doesn't matter.

[Oman]

No we've been discussing this Tonyscum!

If we lynch our doctor we can't win. (Unless a correct vig saves us...*number crunch*)

**Replaced by Dead Rikimaru**

[Oman]

Let me read over roles etc. Any questions shoot them my way.