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I would probably say Titus or Statue imo instead of GammaIn post 47, Momrangal wrote:I can see the MC rvs wagon being all town, but if scum did decide to join the RVS wagon, I would look at either Gamma or titus.-
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Could you explain the reasonings behind this vote?In post 58, MURDERCAT wrote:In post 42, Aristophanes wrote:Oh, good catch Italiano. E-1 this early is a bit much.
I agree there is likely scum there, will take a look in a bit. Any thoughts on who looks like a culprit there?
VOTE: AriIn post 46, Momrangal wrote:Vote on Ari now srs.
A couple yeah. I think Flea is ever so lean towny. You and Gamma get a pass. The vote I'd be most worried about is pikachu but I'd probably do that as town, so it's fine. ITB I am just going to sort later.In post 44, Infinity 324 wrote:Murder do you have thoughts on your wagon
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Isn't a hero solve generally something you give a stab in the dark? But yeah I think you're strongly town from thisIn post 80, Titus wrote:I'm not really sure what to think of MURDERCAT's hero solve. It seems not to jive with what his perspective should be, namely that scum deliberately wagoned him to claim. Which would mean at least one of Statue and Beginning should be in his solve. Also, Ari being in his solve is entirely opportunistic. If MURDERCAT is scum and the rule of 3 applies then Infinity should be scum as well.
Also sorry for the inactivity, had irl issues going on including being sick-
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This vote gives me the heebie jeebies, no idea why
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Yeah this is just bad, I like my vote where it isIn post 110, In the beginning wrote:I don't like the top wagons.
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Oh why's that? I am going to disagree with you here
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That's the whole rabbit hole of TSTBS and that's an actual stupid way to read someone, especially when we have no idea who they are, well at least I have no idea who they are.
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I think just from Murder 'hard-defending' ITB here I think they're not aligned if one flips scum.In post 118, MURDERCAT wrote:ok ok
I think you should reconsider Infinity though, I think he is too afraid to switch his read on me and I don't think town him would be SRing me-
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I would have to agree to this if Infinity ends up flipping scum, otherwise I don't think it's much to look into for now.In post 153, Titus wrote:I detest ITB's no elim vote, but I feel like that's an easy miselim to jump on away from Infinity.-
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I like this for scum as well, this seems like a weak way to try and fake reading.In post 161, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
Gamma or Titus. Mayyyyybe statueIn post 42, Aristophanes wrote:Oh, good catch Italiano. E-1 this early is a bit much.
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In post 172, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Ur scummy
Yeah I'm pretty set on town!titus and scum!farrarIn post 173, Titus wrote:Then why aren't you voting him?
I am losing confidence in my early read on ITB
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Is this a general rejection of the wagon or of the sequential votes.
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Ahaha is this because you're paranoid about the bears with guns game?In post 230, Momrangal wrote:I'm not willing to give JV a free pass this game-
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>:)
Im at work so Ill yeet my way back here after and/or on breaks-
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Effort is not telling of alignmentIn post 223, Infinity 324 wrote:I wanna TR the effort from a new player, I don't agree that what you pointed out are scumtells for a new player-
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Especially when reading a newer or unknown playerIn post 239, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Effort is not telling of alignmentIn post 223, Infinity 324 wrote:I wanna TR the effort from a new player, I don't agree that what you pointed out are scumtells for a new player-
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You're making me blushIn post 241, Gamma Emerald wrote:more good posting by jacko-
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I'll have to look back and find what post you're talking about to fully understand, I forgetIn post 94, MURDERCAT wrote:
It just reads as fake to me. Why wouldn't Ari look and decide who is scummy? I feel like those sorts of questions come from scum more often than not.In post 93, ItalianoVD wrote:Is agreeing scummy for Aristophanes? I’ve never played them.
Also "good catch" reads as kinda fake when it comes directly after a VC lol-
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Either what this is referring to has been yeeted by the Host or I am not followingIn post 42, Aristophanes wrote:Oh, good catch Italiano. E-1 this early is a bit much.-
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And by all means defend them for TSTBS if you know who they are and know it's NAI or Town!AI, but youIn post 245, MURDERCAT wrote:
I do know who they areIn post 210, JacksonVirgo wrote:especially when we have no idea who they are, well at least I have no idea who they arecannotsay the argument is weak when someone who doesn't know them says that they're scummy for it.-
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That is unless the logic is weak at it's core, which it wasn't as pushing no-lynch is a generally scummy thing to do especially on D1 with no alterior reason to do so.In post 302, JacksonVirgo wrote:
And by all means defend them for TSTBS if you know who they are and know it's NAI or Town!AI, but youIn post 245, MURDERCAT wrote:
I do know who they areIn post 210, JacksonVirgo wrote:especially when we have no idea who they are, well at least I have no idea who they arecannotsay the argument is weak when someone who doesn't know them says that they're scummy for it.-
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I have words about this once I finish catching up, probably bad if I say it now and I will also likely forget so poke me about it if soIn post 250, Noraa wrote:[6] JohnnyFarrar: Aristophanes, Titus, Infinity 324, Gamma Emerald, JacksonVirgo, StatueSurfer [E-1]-
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Are you saying you TR both Statue and Farrar?In post 253, Toogeloo wrote:
What does this mean?In post 217, JohnnyFarrar wrote:My vote is serious and my tone is not
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Scummy as fuck, does things that don't make sense, and then done nothing scummy for a while = probably town?In post 218, StatueSurfer wrote:In The Beginning: That vote to, quite deliberately, put MC at E-1 was scummy af. The no-elimination vote is super weird, but doesn't make any sense for scum to do, and I don't he's done anything scummy since. Probably town.
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I'm starting to get a gut town ping from ToogIn post 262, Toogeloo wrote:Energy levels change. I don't think that is a particularly strong reading mechanism.-
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This seems like a cheap out when called out.In post 295, StatueSurfer wrote:Because I don't like inactive players, and I SRed Ari, Titus, and Johnny partially for activity, so I thought I should make clear I was being charitable to let him get more activity in before reading.
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Back to this now that I've caught up.In post 304, JacksonVirgo wrote:
I have words about this once I finish catching up, probably bad if I say it now and I will also likely forget so poke me about it if soIn post 250, Noraa wrote:[6] JohnnyFarrar: Aristophanes, Titus, Infinity 324, Gamma Emerald, JacksonVirgo, StatueSurfer [E-1]
I am not the greatest fan of Statue's vote here, and I am currently trying to gauge, if they're scum, if it's an opportunistic vote or a bus type of vote. I'll have to look back-
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From my analysis there, if they end up flipping scum, one of Johnny/Ari are scum as well as they're either bussing scum!Johnny here to not look bad or being opportunistic to push away from scum!Ari. Just my current thoughts.-
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They called Momrangal by Mara so I have a feeling they are an alt but thats a conspiracy theory at bestIn post 318, MURDERCAT wrote:Baa
VOTE: Statue
I like the analysis, still not sure if it's scum or just new player but at least I think I'm voting with town-
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!!!!In post 319, Titus wrote:
I am a babysitter.In post 301, JacksonVirgo wrote:Howdy Titus, we meet again-
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By itself yeah but I think its their general tone thats pinging me as genuine and townieIn post 321, Infinity 324 wrote:
This post should be NAI though right?In post 307, JacksonVirgo wrote:
I'm starting to get a gut town ping from ToogIn post 262, Toogeloo wrote:Energy levels change. I don't think that is a particularly strong reading mechanism.-
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Ill give this a poke after I finish work, I just hate mobile postingIn post 323, Momrangal wrote:I feel comfortable putting Jhonny in my town-reads.
Want other people's opinions on Infinity-
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The reason I don't do that anymore is because it makes me lose concentration too quickly and I end up forgetting everything instantly. If I am responding to a larger post like this one I split things up into a single post though because I'm not a monster.In post 329, In the beginning wrote:Request: Please don't respond to a single post at a time when catching up. Try to group them into chunks so as to not needlessly clutter the thread.
I do not see it as a town's solving mindset, who would actively be trying to find scum rather than just give in unless it's for the meme like a dude on my old home site does CONSTANTLY which this clearly wasn't.In post 329, In the beginning wrote:Be more precise; why do you perceive it as bad? I don't mean bad in a "town win condition" sense, but bad as in "scum would do this" kind of sense.
If I looked into who you are? I don't want to waste mental energy into being likely wrong. I am a big advocator for yeeting anti-town behaviour right off the bat, and "in the beginning" you were the one that was the largest thorn in my side, that may very well be personal bias against no-lynch early-game (as a dude on my old home site CONSTANTLY pushed for it) but it was simply my strongest read at the time, whether it be shallow or otherwise.In post 329, In the beginning wrote:If you looked, you would find out fairly easily. Anyway, yes, "too scummy to be scum" is a fallacy in a sense, but you seem to be looking at this from a very surface-level perspective. I want you to ask yourself, "What does scum!beginning gain from this?" and to critically evaluate it rather than going "Oh, no elimination is bad. Anyone who suggests something 'bad' is scum. Ergo, beginning is scum."
That's why I put it in quotes, I didn't know the right words for the current context.In post 329, In the beginning wrote:I wouldn't call that hard defending. MURDERCAT is simply asking the same thing I'm asking in this post: to think more critically rather than giving a knee-jerk reaction.
Murder linked it to me as I needed the contextIn post 329, In the beginning wrote:Hadn't you read that post by that point in time? Seems a bit weird you're responding to it now.
This depends on context for the most part, it is 100% stupid to clear someone for TSTBS, otherwise scum could just yeet themself into a hard SR and be cleared for it, that's putting it bluntly but overall it depends on the context.In post 329, In the beginning wrote:Except... it is weak... regardless of meta.-
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Content or enjoyment wise?In post 337, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Wassup Jacko. How you feel about the game so far?-
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I'm not super into the game yet, but that will likely change near the end of the game but I am definitely more into the game than the start aha. Content wise I feel a few people are the target for everyones attention and I think I am going to spend a little time re-reading a little bit back to expand my reads a little more.In post 339, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Eh both-
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Oh hype! I guess that evens out our fortune!In post 405, Gypyx wrote:No one has died this night !
Day 2 starts now and ends in (expired on 2021-03-08 12:32:59)
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In post 407, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Lol what are the chances someone pulled a board games here
The tone in these two posts specifically feel TMI, but reading back the wording doesn't suggest that exactly so not sure what to make of it. I'll try to explain this the best I can, not the greatest at explaining these types of pings but this is almost definitely not a natural conclusion most people would fall to when no NK happens. Sure, if it's happened in a past game you could assume it may happen again but this feels like it's almost assuming it's happened.In post 410, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I played a game where scum no killed so one of them could claim doc and ride that claim to victory. I think Gamma was there.
And nah, I voted Titus because they had the biggest "i know both these wagons are on townies" energy of anyone yesterday-
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Was this referring to a specific post? I can't seem to find where it's aimed atIn post 416, Titus wrote:The babysitter claim was totally a meme too, not serious.-
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It's relatively easy to say you rejected a town flipped wagon, so if you or anyone is trying to get some cred by that it won't work >:)In post 419, Momrangal wrote:Anyway, this is where I was going with the statue wagon
It was an utterly shit wagon being led by another one of my scum reads and, all the while, there were other slots who were look at with reasons that were just slightly better than the reasons used to wagon hoth Jhonny and Statue. There was very little resistance and I feel like scum played a big hand in getting it pushed
Although who specifically was your SR on the wagon, I forget.-
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I like page shorts...In post 425, Noraa wrote:I like pagetops-
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Oh that was probably Infinity for the previous questionIn post 431, Momrangal wrote:Can we hang Infinity now or...?
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Why are you asking for permission instead of just votingIn post 431, Momrangal wrote:Can we hang Infinity now or...?
No one has never stated a town read on them, and no one seems willing to even look at their direction-
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Same issue with Momrangal, it's easy to say this in retrospectIn post 432, In the beginning wrote:Yesterday's lim was clearly a town flip, and no one even bothered to ask for a claim.-
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Who do you think would be the main pushers if that's the case?In post 436, Titus wrote:I am suspecting Statute was quickly run up as a way of saving Johnny.-
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Nothing you have done has pinged me as super townie like usual so null+ around there as I don't reallyIn post 446, Infinity 324 wrote:Italiano you said you hadn't forgotten about me but...
JV what's your read on me? (Also I wasn't on the wagon)thinkyou're scum.-
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Actually I like this a lotIn post 449, Infinity 324 wrote:Why isn't she confbiased town-
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Why exactly does them not posting the VCA make any difference to anything?In post 455, Flea The Magician wrote:I am keen to see the VCA from Titus before I really commit to anything.
Either that or I summon the faerie vomit machine and start colour coding everything.-
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Do you have TRs at all or is MC simply your strongest town atmIn post 456, Toogeloo wrote:I'm gonna move MC up to my strongest townlean.-
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Cool, care to explain?In post 457, In the beginning wrote:Johnny, Titus, and MURDERCAT are town.
JacksonVirgo and Infinity are scum.
Unsure on the third one.